Comparing the Samsung Galaxy Note 9 performance versus the iPhone X

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  • Reply 41 of 45
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,028member
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    sunman42 said:
    OK, I'll bite. Why run a comparison with an 11-month old Apple device instead of waiting for the new models next month?

    Because it's not fair to compare Apples latest to Samsungs latest.
    How is it not fair? These are the latest devices from these companies. When the next iPhone is out it will surely be tested against this Samsung device and others. There's no skullduggery here and there's nothing atypical about comparing current devices.
    Well, no.  It’s not appropriate. The problem is that web sites rush these comparisons out. Do they need to? No, they don’t. They could wait a month to get it right. Besides, the iPhone X is not intended to compete with a Note. A better comparison is the S9 non Note series. This year, with the large iPhone, the comparison will be more apt, particularly if it does have Pencil support, though I’d like to see a shorter Pencil too.
    1) So they should wait a month to test it against the iPhone X? If you mean the next iPhone coming out in a month, then that would be rushing that review since it had just come out. What about this review is not competent or seemed rushed to you?

    2) I don't know when they got their hands on the Note 9 but it launches tomorrow so I assume they've been testing it for at least a week and today is the day they're allowed to  post their review.
    Rushed because you shouldn’t review a phone that just now becoming available, to a phone that’s 11 months old, and is shortly being replaced as the flagship within 3 weeks. A phone that isn’t even intended to compete directly against the Note. If the Note came out three months ago, it would have made more sense. And why would they compare it to an iPhone X a month from now? Where do you get that idea from?

    i see other sites do it, but the comparison isn’t comparing like to like.
    They are both flagship devices by these companies and have comparable price points. If you don’t read about  benchmarks for a new Samsung device or how it compares to the lastest flagship tech on the market then don’t read the fucking article.

    Personally, I’m curious to see this comparison. If this device came out after the next iPhone was released I’d still want to see how it stacks up against older iPhones. I think it’s hysterical that a brand new flagship device with a much higher clock speed and a lot more RAM using a lot more power still can’t compete with a year old iPhone.


    PS: With your “like to like” statement then they should never compare an Android-based device with an iOS-based device so why even read the article since you’re not here to learn about the Note 9.
    Still makes no sense. You always compare year old products to new ones? Unless it’s a price break you’re looking for, I can’t see why that would be useful. If you’re amusing yourself, then maybe.

    comparing Android to iOS isn’t odd. It’s like comparing a gas car to an electric model when trying to see which better meets your needs. But again, unless you’re looking for a price break on the older model, you’d compare the same new models. When you decide what kind you want you compare like to like. You don’t compare a sports model with an SUV.
    1) I compare current products to each other, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy seeing new flagship products get bested by products that have been out for nearly a year with the same price points.

    2) It's definitely more odd to compare Android to iOS devices for purchase decisions since those customers aren't likely to cross over. Going from a diesel, gas, hybrid, or EV makes sense because they all still use the same roads, but with either OS you need to re-download, possibly purchase apps again, sign in since backups don't carry over, and sometimes find alternative apps. Going from a $70k Mercedes to a $70k Tesla doesn't mean I'll have to learn how to drive again.
    Still, we know that several million move between Android and iOS every year.

    as I said, if it amuses you. But these comparisons aren’t out to amuse people, they’re out to influence purchase decisions. Not so much here, and I wasn’t criticizing this comparison because of that. But in other sites, it’s a very definite attempt to influence buying decisions. You can tell by the way everything is worded.
    If AI's goal isn't to influence users to buy the Note 9 and that's the only reason to do a comparison then why did they write it? How about they did it to attract readers and they don't give a fuck whether you buy an iPhone, a Note, or any other device… just like nearly all other independent websites. Samsung has an agenda which is why they give out test units, but so does Apple and every other vendor.
    They did it to show that a year old iPhone can outperform a new Samsung Phone.
    No shit, but you said that 1) it’s not appropriate, 2) this comparison was rushed, and 3) that they shouldn't have ever made the comparison to an 11 month old iPhone, even though it's the current model.
    And what I said is true. But I’m mostly referring to other site comparisons, which are trying to make the Note look good by minimizing the virtues of the X vs the Note. Insider is kind of the opposite on that, trying to be a counterweight.

    nevertheless, it’s a weak comparison. Those who value the bigger screen of the Note, and the Wacom tree stylus are not going to consider the iPhone at all, no matter what.

    so with the new iPhone being possibly even a touch bigger, and, (hopefully) having support for the Pencil, it’s a far more apt comparison. They could have waited the three weeks.
    If there was no new flagship Samsung device for the better part of a year when the 2018 iPhone came out it would be tested against their current flagship. Do you also think AI is "being a counterweight" when they compare the 2017 and 2018 Macs to each other? No! They're simplify doing the legwork so 'us' readers can get a glimpse of how two distance devices compare. Claiming this article is inappropriate is absurd.
    compare the iPhone X to the Note 8, if one must. At least it’s the same year. But compare the iPhone X to last year’s Galaxy 8, not the Note.
    Why? It was done last year? The iPhone X is the current flagship from Apple and so is the Note 9. If either Samsung or Apple comes out with another device in 6 months they will be tested against whatever flagship device is the current model for the other company. Why is this news to you? This shouldn't be news to you.
  • Reply 42 of 45
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 32,994member
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    sunman42 said:
    OK, I'll bite. Why run a comparison with an 11-month old Apple device instead of waiting for the new models next month?

    Because it's not fair to compare Apples latest to Samsungs latest.
    How is it not fair? These are the latest devices from these companies. When the next iPhone is out it will surely be tested against this Samsung device and others. There's no skullduggery here and there's nothing atypical about comparing current devices.
    Well, no.  It’s not appropriate. The problem is that web sites rush these comparisons out. Do they need to? No, they don’t. They could wait a month to get it right. Besides, the iPhone X is not intended to compete with a Note. A better comparison is the S9 non Note series. This year, with the large iPhone, the comparison will be more apt, particularly if it does have Pencil support, though I’d like to see a shorter Pencil too.
    1) So they should wait a month to test it against the iPhone X? If you mean the next iPhone coming out in a month, then that would be rushing that review since it had just come out. What about this review is not competent or seemed rushed to you?

    2) I don't know when they got their hands on the Note 9 but it launches tomorrow so I assume they've been testing it for at least a week and today is the day they're allowed to  post their review.
    Rushed because you shouldn’t review a phone that just now becoming available, to a phone that’s 11 months old, and is shortly being replaced as the flagship within 3 weeks. A phone that isn’t even intended to compete directly against the Note. If the Note came out three months ago, it would have made more sense. And why would they compare it to an iPhone X a month from now? Where do you get that idea from?

    i see other sites do it, but the comparison isn’t comparing like to like.
    They are both flagship devices by these companies and have comparable price points. If you don’t read about  benchmarks for a new Samsung device or how it compares to the lastest flagship tech on the market then don’t read the fucking article.

    Personally, I’m curious to see this comparison. If this device came out after the next iPhone was released I’d still want to see how it stacks up against older iPhones. I think it’s hysterical that a brand new flagship device with a much higher clock speed and a lot more RAM using a lot more power still can’t compete with a year old iPhone.


    PS: With your “like to like” statement then they should never compare an Android-based device with an iOS-based device so why even read the article since you’re not here to learn about the Note 9.
    Still makes no sense. You always compare year old products to new ones? Unless it’s a price break you’re looking for, I can’t see why that would be useful. If you’re amusing yourself, then maybe.

    comparing Android to iOS isn’t odd. It’s like comparing a gas car to an electric model when trying to see which better meets your needs. But again, unless you’re looking for a price break on the older model, you’d compare the same new models. When you decide what kind you want you compare like to like. You don’t compare a sports model with an SUV.
    1) I compare current products to each other, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy seeing new flagship products get bested by products that have been out for nearly a year with the same price points.

    2) It's definitely more odd to compare Android to iOS devices for purchase decisions since those customers aren't likely to cross over. Going from a diesel, gas, hybrid, or EV makes sense because they all still use the same roads, but with either OS you need to re-download, possibly purchase apps again, sign in since backups don't carry over, and sometimes find alternative apps. Going from a $70k Mercedes to a $70k Tesla doesn't mean I'll have to learn how to drive again.
    Still, we know that several million move between Android and iOS every year.

    as I said, if it amuses you. But these comparisons aren’t out to amuse people, they’re out to influence purchase decisions. Not so much here, and I wasn’t criticizing this comparison because of that. But in other sites, it’s a very definite attempt to influence buying decisions. You can tell by the way everything is worded.
    If AI's goal isn't to influence users to buy the Note 9 and that's the only reason to do a comparison then why did they write it? How about they did it to attract readers and they don't give a fuck whether you buy an iPhone, a Note, or any other device… just like nearly all other independent websites. Samsung has an agenda which is why they give out test units, but so does Apple and every other vendor.
    They did it to show that a year old iPhone can outperform a new Samsung Phone.
    No shit, but you said that 1) it’s not appropriate, 2) this comparison was rushed, and 3) that they shouldn't have ever made the comparison to an 11 month old iPhone, even though it's the current model.
    And what I said is true. But I’m mostly referring to other site comparisons, which are trying to make the Note look good by minimizing the virtues of the X vs the Note. Insider is kind of the opposite on that, trying to be a counterweight.

    nevertheless, it’s a weak comparison. Those who value the bigger screen of the Note, and the Wacom tree stylus are not going to consider the iPhone at all, no matter what.

    so with the new iPhone being possibly even a touch bigger, and, (hopefully) having support for the Pencil, it’s a far more apt comparison. They could have waited the three weeks.
    If there was no new flagship Samsung device for the better part of a year when the 2018 iPhone came out it would be tested against their current flagship. Do you also think AI is "being a counterweight" when they compare the 2017 and 2018 Macs to each other? No! They're simplify doing the legwork so 'us' readers can get a glimpse of how two distance devices compare. Claiming this article is inappropriate is absurd.
    compare the iPhone X to the Note 8, if one must. At least it’s the same year. But compare the iPhone X to last year’s Galaxy 8, not the Note.
    Why? It was done last year? The iPhone X is the current flagship from Apple and so is the Note 9. If either Samsung or Apple comes out with another device in 6 months they will be tested against whatever flagship device is the current model for the other company. Why is this news to you? This shouldn't be news to you.
    I just don’t think you understand this. In the auto industry, for example, when a n car comes on, they don’t compare it to last year’s. They wait until the other new cars come out to compare them.

    as I also said, if a new phone comes out within several months of another phone, then both are in the market for a long enough time, as the flagship, to have a comparison matter. That’s obvious, because not everything arrives at the same time. But Samsung has been trying to introduce their new products right before Apple does. This has been noted in a number of places, and the reason is to try to steal Apple/s “thunder”. An additional reason is because they know that publications will rush to make these comparisons, and that Samsung does best in them when their newest product is compared against Apple’s older product. The publication s take that bait because they want to be the first with it.

    there are no other reasons to do so, no matter how many times you try to argue it. And I’ll give you the last word on it, if you want, because I see no point in this.
  • Reply 43 of 45
    WLee said:
    Still hiding behind benchmarks lol! Try a real world test, you know the kind many reviewers do on YouTube, with app and ram tests and battery. In all of those the note smokes the x with laughable ease. Without exagerration, I have an old Samsung kitkat device and an iPad 2018, the kitkat device opens word quicker than the iPad, how is that acceptable. Benchmarks mean zilch real world is what matters and iOS does not thrive there,
    Which is it going to be?

    When Windows PCs are ahead of the Mac on benchmarks, and when the Galaxy series was ahead, it's all about the benchmarks. When its the other way around, it's all about the intangibles? Your contention makes little sense, considering that the Note 9 uses the same processor as the Galaxy S9, and it was slower then in every regard, including intangibles, than the iPhone X.

    Funnily, I have an old Kit Kat Galaxy Note 4 right here. Word opened in 8 seconds on the 2018 iPad, and I stopped counting at 30 for the Note.

    More tests are coming.

    I have trouble believing this. I am sorry.
  • Reply 44 of 45
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 32,994member
    WLee said:
    Still hiding behind benchmarks lol! Try a real world test, you know the kind many reviewers do on YouTube, with app and ram tests and battery. In all of those the note smokes the x with laughable ease. Without exagerration, I have an old Samsung kitkat device and an iPad 2018, the kitkat device opens word quicker than the iPad, how is that acceptable. Benchmarks mean zilch real world is what matters and iOS does not thrive there,
    Which is it going to be?

    When Windows PCs are ahead of the Mac on benchmarks, and when the Galaxy series was ahead, it's all about the benchmarks. When its the other way around, it's all about the intangibles? Your contention makes little sense, considering that the Note 9 uses the same processor as the Galaxy S9, and it was slower then in every regard, including intangibles, than the iPhone X.

    Funnily, I have an old Kit Kat Galaxy Note 4 right here. Word opened in 8 seconds on the 2018 iPad, and I stopped counting at 30 for the Note.

    More tests are coming.

    I have trouble believing this. I am sorry.
    I don’t. Samsung has been criticized many time in testing for its slowness in UI and some everyday tasks. Some of it is due to Samsung’s skin, which sucks the life out of the phone.
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