The road to Steve Jobs' resignation, and the rise of Tim Cook as his successor

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On August 24, 2011, just six weeks before his death, Apple cofounder Steve Jobs announced his resignation as CEO. Tim Cook now seems to have been his obvious successor, but back then, he was an unexpected and even controversial choice.


Steve Jobs'

resignation followed a previous leave of absence from the company starting in January 2011, during which Cook had served as acting CEO. Jobs's formal stepping down was an unmistakable end of an era for the company, and a very different departure from the first time he -- left Apple, in 1985.

The resignation followed a multi-year saga in which the executive was widely assumed to be in failing health. But, Jobs was not always forthright about the exact nature and severity of his illness.

The first battle



Jobs was first diagnosed with pancreatic cancer as long before as the fall of 2003. In an extreme example of Jobs' stubborn nature, he first fought his disease with alternative medicine, as well as a special diet.

Eventually, in the summer of 2004, Jobs underwent a surgery, known as a "Whipple procedure," that successfully removed the tumor. As Apple's Chief Operating Officer at the time, Tim Cook assumed Jobs' duties on an interim basis during his leave and subsequent recuperation.

Jobs told Apple employees about the cancer shortly before his surgery, and disclosed the diagnosis and surgery after they happened. That information, and the rumors beforehand, had left many inside and outside of Apple, wondering about the company's future.

Even so, Jobs didn't address the cancer battle at length in any public way until his now famous commencement address at Stanford University in June of 2005.





"About a year ago I was diagnosed with cancer," Jobs told the Stanford graduates. "I had a scan at 7:30 in the morning, and it clearly showed a tumor on my pancreas. I didn't even know what a pancreas was. The doctors told me this was almost certainly a type of cancer that is incurable, and that I should expect to live no longer than three to six months."

"My doctor advised me to go home and get my affairs in order, which is doctor's code for prepare to die," added Jobs. "It means to try to tell your kids everything you thought you'd have the next 10 years to tell them in just a few months. It means to make sure everything is buttoned up so that it will be as easy as possible for your family. It means to say your goodbyes."

In an example, perhaps, of his famed "reality distortion field," Jobs' speech wasn't exactly an accurate depiction of the timeline, front-dating his diagnosis and leaving out the period of several months in which he used alternative treatments.

Despite that prediction of three to six months, Jobs actually appeared to recover well over the next couple of years. He recovered sufficiently that attention on his health lessened, though it never quite faded completely.

Health questions



The World Wide Developers Conference in 2006 was the first of several public appearances that caused whispers about whether Jobs was unwell. His appearance was yet to clearly show illness, but he was noticeably thinner than at the previous WWDC.

Plus some, including Forbes magazine, commented that his performance on stage wasn't as high-energy as it normally was at such events.





"Is Steve Jobs ill?," Forbes publisher and columnist Rich Karlgaard asked, noting Jobs' gaunt appearance, as well as the grim survival rates for the type of cancer he'd battled just a couple of years earlier. "Apple without Steve Jobs is unthinkable... And we really, really hope the answer to our headline question is no."

Karlsgaard's column was perhaps the first to raise a question with which journalists and ethicists would wrestle for the next few years, in regards to Jobs.

Even Karlgaard himself in that first article questioned when it is responsible or not to speculate about the state of a public person's health. Karlgaard believed that ordinarily, Jobs should be given his privacy -- but also pointed out how many thousands of families depended on Steve Jobs righ then.

After that, the Jobs health rumors were at a low simmer for most of 2007, but they came back in a big way the following year, when Jobs showed up at the 2008 WWDC, now looking positively gaunt.

An Apple spokesperson responded to questions about his appearance by telling the press that Jobs was suffered from "a common bug."

That denial failed to quiet doubts, leading to Jobs' infamous phone call with the The New York Times' Joe Nocera.

Culture of Secrecy



Nocera, then a Times business columnist, wrote a piece on July 26, 2008, on what he called "Apple's culture of secrecy." He began by calling out Jobs for fudging the timeline of his diagnosis in the Stanford speech and omitting the part about spending nine months trying to beat the tumor with a special diet.

Then, he noted that the party line from Apple, rather than including any denials about cancer, was to simply state that, "Steve's health is a private matter."

Consequently, Nocera went on to accuse Apple of being less than forthright with its investors and the public. He wrote that "Apple simply can't be trusted to tell the truth about its chief executive."

Once hearing that Nocera was writing about the matter, Jobs decided to call him.

"You think I'm an arrogant [expletive] who thinks he's above the law," said Jobs. "I think you're a slime bucket who gets most of his facts wrong."

Jobs went on to tell Nocera, off the record, what his exact health problems were. Nocera was later able to say that the issues were "a good deal more than a common bug," but not life-threatening and not a recurrence of cancer.

"After he hung up the phone, it occurred to me that I had just been handed, by Mr. Jobs himself, the very information he was refusing to share with the shareholders who have entrusted him with their money," Nocera wrote.

That September, 2008, at an iPod event, Jobs poked fun at the controversy by flashing the Mark Twain quote "reports of my death are greatly exaggerated" on screen behind him.

Hormone imbalance - and absence



Yet Jobs' health came to the forefront once again the following January, when he didn't deliver his customary address at the Macworld Expo.

In a letter dated January 5, 2009, Jobs stated that he had been diagnosed with a "hormone imbalance," which was the reason for his extreme weight loss. He said he would undergo treatment but remain as CEO.

"So now I've said more than I wanted to say, and all that I am going to say, about this," wrote Jobs.

However, just nine days later, Jobs wrote another letter in which he disclosed that "during the past week I have learned that my health-related issues are more complex than I originally thought."

He therefore announced a medical leave of absence that would extend until June. Once again, Tim Cook would be stepping in as acting CEO.

Jobs positioned the announcement as an attempt to avoid distractions for the company and "allow everyone at Apple to focus on delivering extraordinary products."

It didn't work, especially not with Apple's board of directors. They weren't pleased at Jobs hiding his health issues, not from the public -- and from them.

Much later, Jerome York, then a board member, told the Wall Street Journal at the time that he was "disgusted" that Jobs hadn't been more honest about the health disclosures. He said that he had even considered resigning from the board over it.

For unknown reasons, though, the Journal did not report this until after York died the next year.

In April 2009, Jobs underwent a liver transplant, although this fact also wasn't disclosed until much later. Nor was the fact that Cook had offered to donate part of his own liver to help Jobs, an offer that was refused.

Steve Jobs did not appear at the WWDC in June 2009, but he did return to work at Apple as scheduled, later that month.

He then appeared on stage, for the first time in nearly a year, in September, at an event to introduce a new line of iPods.





"I'd like to thank everyone in the Apple community for the heartfelt support I got," he said. "It really meant a lot. And I'd also like to especially thank Tim Cook and the entire executive team at Apple. They really rose to the occasion and ran the company very ably in that difficult period."

Following that, the year 2010 was associated more with the launch of the first iPad and the iPhone 4. There was very little news about Jobs' health, but, again, the issue never quite went away.

The Last Leave



On January 17, 2011, Jobs announced that he would once again be taking a medical leave of absence.

"At my request, the board of directors has granted me a medical leave of absence so I can focus on my health," Jobs wrote in a letter. "I will continue as CEO and be involved in major strategic decisions for the company."

He once again placed Cook in charge in his stead, but unlike his 2009 leave, he did not announce a planned return date.

"I love Apple so much and hope to be back as soon as I can," Jobs added. "In the meantime, my family and I would deeply appreciate respect for our privacy."

Jobs would make his last public appearance not at an Apple event, but rather a Cupertino City Council meeting on June 7, discussing the plans for Apple's new headquarters.



The Final day



"I have always said if there ever came a day when I could no longer meet my duties and expectations as Apple's CEO, I would be the first to let you know." read Jobs' letter, on August 24, 2011. Unfortunately, that day has come."

He went on to "strongly recommend" that the board implement its succession plan, with Cook ascending to the CEO chair.

"I believe Apple's brightest and most innovative days are ahead of it. And I look forward to watching and contributing to its success in a new role," Jobs said. "I have made some of the best friends of my life at Apple, and I thank you all for the many years of being able to work alongside you."

Jobs, despite his leave, reportedly worked an entire day at Apple's headquarters and attended a board meeting on the day of his resignation.

Steve Jobs died on October 5, 2011. He was 56 years old.

Lessons from a health crisis



Following Jobs' death, and especially after the publication of Walter Isaacson's authorized biography and some other books in the ensuing years, a few things became clear. Jobs, for much of the last five years of his life, was much more ill than he had let on.

According to the Isaacson book, Apple's board, whether to protect Jobs or its own stock price, either never pushed Jobs to go public about the severity of condition, or actively covered it up.

The Isaacson book also revealed more about the timeline of the late CEO's illness. It painted a more complete picture of Jobs' refusal to use traditional medical treatment when he was first diagnosed, and how his family and friends, including Intel's Andy Grove, ultimately talked him into surgery.

Jobs admitted to the biographer that he had regrets about his original course of alternative treatment. To this day, it's still not clearly established exactly when Jobs' cancer recurred, or if it was ever in remission at all.

Steve Jobs accomplished a lot while fighting cancer, likely in immense physical pain a great deal of time. And, he was right about Apple's brightest days being ahead of it, because he set the company up for success.

Rather than having any collapse after his death, the company has thrived, even boomed. And in his time as CEO, Cook has more than lived up to Jobs' desire that Apple's most innovative days" were to come.

The obvious choice



"The last two weeks for me have been the saddest of my life by far," said Tim Cook at Apple's memorial service for Steve Jobs in October 2011.





As Jobs had said in his resignation letter, Cook did take over permanently. While he now seems the clear choice, however, it truly wasn't so certain at the time.

Three years before Jobs's death, Fortune magazine quoted Cook addressing the idea that he could take over Apple.

"Come on, replace Steve? No. He's irreplaceable," Cook had said then. "That's something people have to get over. I see Steve there with gray hair in his 70s, long after I'm retired."

Then, too, there was Jony Ive. Whether he might want to become CEO or not, Ive had immense authority at Apple --- because Steve Jobs arranged it.

"[Jony Ive] has more operational power than anyone else at Apple except me," Steve Jobs had said according to Isaacson. "There's no one who can tell him what to do, or to butt out. That's the way I set it up."

He apparently set up other things, though, but in typical Apple fashion this was kept secret. Any large corporation will always have worked out who can replace key figures when necessary, and Apple was no exception.

But unlike most firms, Apple refused to even reveal that there was a succession plan until it was time to enact it.

However, Apple's habit of secrecy does not always help as much as it seems to think. Just as Steve Jobs's health concerns had raised questions among shareholders, so had Apple's apparent lack of a succession plan. There was even a demand from groups including the Central Laborer's Pension Fund that Apple make a plan and publish it.

Bloomberg's Eric Jackson argued, though, that there was no evidence to say Apple hadn't made its plans. The financial magazine even suggested that "Steve Jobs's hottest app may be [his] succession plan". (Article requires subscription.)

The plan wasn't confirmed at all until that resignation letter mentioned its recommendation that Cook become CEO. We still don't know what else was in the plan -- but there were changes coming that may have been part of it.

However, there were also pressures from outside the company, pressures from people who did not believe Tim Cook could take over from Jobs. Apple's stock price and value took a dip around this time, too, though that is arguably because the company wasn't releasing major new projects.

Then it did -- and unfortunately not very well. When Apple Maps was released with significant problems in 2012, Cook apologized publicly. "We are extremely sorry for the frustration and we are doing everything we can to make Maps better," he said in a public email that has since been removed from Apple's site.

Perhaps one of the things Apple did to make Maps better was to drop the man who introduced it. Scott Forstall left Apple a few weeks later on October 29, 2012.

Scott Forstall on stage at an Apple event
Scott Forstall on stage at an Apple event



Forstall had been a long-standing Apple employee and at times had been predicted to become CEO one day.

His departure was such big news that it rather overshadowed another one that was announced at the same time. John Browett, head of Apple retail, was out just a couple of months after Cook had originally hired him.

Browett had been a replacement for Ron Johnson, who had previously overseen the launch and huge growth of Apple Stores, but who had then moved to JC Penney -- which remains in trouble to this day, along with a large portion of American retail other than Apple Stores.

After deciding Browett wasn't the right replacement, Cook took added the head of retail duties to his own workload.

Cook retained operational control of Apple's retail arm until he hired Angela Ahrendts away from fashion firm Burberry in 2014. With Apple's fortune, now assured success and giant retail operation, it was probably an easier task to persuade Ahrendts to join Apple than it had been for Jobs to convince Cook.

He also radically changed Apple's management team. Eddy Cue, Craig Federighi, Jony Ive and Bob Mansfield were all Apple stalwarts who took on extra or new responsibilities.

Each of their roles has evolved since -- and Ahrendts was replaced by Deirdre O'Brien in 2019, while Jony Ive left in the same year.

But for many years, this was the main Apple team. This was the team we would come to regularly see presenting at WWDC and Special Event events.

Culture



Those events changed radically because of the impact of COVID. With the move away from in-person events to exceptionally well-produced video presentations, Apple has greatly expanded its pool of presenters.

It's also diversified the very nature of its entire business. In terms of specific technology products, Apple has pressed ahead, and Cook has overseen, devices such as the Apple Watch, AirPods, HomePod and more.

At the same time, however, it has also introduced Apple TV+, Apple Card, and Apple Pay. Apple has gone from the technology company Jobs knew, to one that is at least as led by services as it is devices.

Cook has also changed the role of Apple's CEO, or at least he has worked to be a different CEO than Jobs. A reportedly highly private man, he nonetheless chose in 2014 to publicly come out as gay.

"If hearing that the CEO of Apple is gay can help someone struggling to come terms with who he or she is, or bring comfort to anyone who feels alone, or inspire people to insist on their equality, then it's worth the trade-off with my own privacy," Cook wrote in Bloomberg.

Cook also said that he plans to give away all of this wealth, once he's paid for the college education of his nephew, and he has been steadily doing exactly that.

In August 2018, for instance, he donated approximately $5 million worth of Apple shares to an undisclosed charity.

We may never know exactly what donations he has made to where, but more recently he has begun being open about there being life after Apple. Specifically, he was asked about whether he would still be in charge a decade from then.

"Ten more years?" Cook said to New York Times journalist Kara Swisher, in his interview. "Probably not. But I can tell you that I feel great right now and the date is not in sight. But ten more years is a long time -- and probably not ten more years."

Cook hasn't announced a retirement date, and Apple has not publicly discussed a succession plan. But the company is reportedly focusing increasingly on who will replace him.

In that New York Times interview, Swisher asked what plans he had for after he leaves, and what he might do once Apple is behind him.

"I don't have a clue because I love this company so much, that it is hard to imagine my life without it," he said. "And so I don't think I will know that until after I'm not here. Because I think I will run so fast that I'll never really think about it until I'm not running anymore. Does that make any sense?"

The next chapter for Apple



Regardless of when Cook does decide to leave, Apple is going to be going through more changes in the next few years. It's facing an unprecedented number of antitrust investigations, some of which are already forcing the company to make changes to its App Store.

Despite most of these challenges having arisen since Jobs's death, Apple contests them all by using the same playbook it always has. Apple says that everything it does is done with users' privacy in mind, and that is something Jobs used to argue for as well.

But Tim Cook has also made it clear that whatever App Store changes are forced on Apple, the company is still going to get its commission -- no matter what.

Steve Jobs reportedly criticized Tim Cook for not being a "product person".

Perhaps that was what was needed. Apple's move into services didn't start with Cook -- Jobs oversaw iCloud and its predecessors including MobileMe -- but it has become a vital part of the company.

Or just as Cook was always under pressure to come up with the next big thing after the iPhone, perhaps people will look to his successor to top the Apple Vision Pro.

There's no denying that Cook is an Apple person, though. And if he has different skills than Jobs, skills that initially meant he was a surprising choice for CEO, he's proved to be the right person for the job.

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  • Reply 1 of 47
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,585member
    One major fact that is wrong. When Jobs announced his leaving as CEO, he also stated that he would be Chairman, and an activist one at that. He didn’t leave the company. His death shortly after came as a shock to me, because I would have thought that he wouldn’t have stayed on knowing he had so little time left. But then, Apple was more his child, then his actual children, so I suppose it made sense to him.

    on the other hand, he might have thought that he had more time.
    edited August 2018 SpamSandwichElCapitanradarthekatmacplusplusFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 2 of 47
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,899administrator
    melgross said:
    One major fact that is wrong. When Jobs announced his leaving as CEO, he also stated that he would be Chairman, and an activist one at that. He didn’t leave the company. His death shortly after came as a shock to me, because I would have thought that he wouldn’t have stayed on knowing he had so little time left. But then, Apple was more his child, then his actual children, so I suppose it made sense to him.

    on the other hand, he might have thought that he had more time.
    We didn't say that he did.

    And, I guarantee that he thought he had more time. We didn't really address it here, but there's a discussion about it in Isaacson's book.
    edited August 2018 GeorgeBMaclolliverdavronnwilliamlondon
  • Reply 3 of 47
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,585member
    melgross said:
    One major fact that is wrong. When Jobs announced his leaving as CEO, he also stated that he would be Chairman, and an activist one at that. He didn’t leave the company. His death shortly after came as a shock to me, because I would have thought that he wouldn’t have stayed on knowing he had so little time left. But then, Apple was more his child, then his actual children, so I suppose it made sense to him.

    on the other hand, he might have thought that he had more time.
    We didn't say that he did.

    And, I guarantee that he thought he had more time. We didn't really address it here, but there's a discussion about it in Isaacson's book.
    The first sentence says that Jobs announced his resignation. He didn’t. He announced that he was stepping down from the CEO position,  and that he would continue as an active Chairman.

    and, while everyone uses that book as gospel, a number of people who knew Jobs said, when it came out, that the book wasn’t correct in a number of areas, and that it also depicted Jobs somewhat differently from the way they knew him.
    edited August 2018 SpamSandwichElCapitanantoniofonsecamacplusplus
  • Reply 4 of 47
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,899administrator
    melgross said:
    melgross said:
    One major fact that is wrong. When Jobs announced his leaving as CEO, he also stated that he would be Chairman, and an activist one at that. He didn’t leave the company. His death shortly after came as a shock to me, because I would have thought that he wouldn’t have stayed on knowing he had so little time left. But then, Apple was more his child, then his actual children, so I suppose it made sense to him.

    on the other hand, he might have thought that he had more time.
    We didn't say that he did.

    And, I guarantee that he thought he had more time. We didn't really address it here, but there's a discussion about it in Isaacson's book.
    The first sentence says that Jobs announced his resignation. He didn’t. He announced that he was stepping down from the CEO position,  and that he would continue as an active Chairman.

    and, while everyone uses that book as gospel, a number of people who knew Jobs said, when it came out, that the book wasn’t correct in a number of areas, and that it also depicted Jobs somewhat differently from the way they knew him.
    Ah, I see how you're interpreting that, now. Thanks for the clarification.
    king editor the gratelolliver
  • Reply 5 of 47
    Nocera was an idiot who could not understand that business is not to hinge on personal problems and life. There is more to that than one person's life and impressions that influence so much stock market is dumbest thing that damages growth. Because of such columnists we cannot trust or rely material information to develope solid buiness and profit. Facts of someone's life do not change entire world ( Nocera probably does not comprehend that). If it was then you are running occultic (or worse) system. I find it rediculus that investors might rely on health of CEO and not on directions of cohesive leadership and management
    lolliver
  • Reply 6 of 47
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    RDF FTW! Jobs was a true Wizard of OZ behind the curtain. Under Jobs Apple was never in Kansas with his little dog Toto, er, I mean Wozniak. 
    steve_jobs
  • Reply 7 of 47

    Cook also said that he plans to give away all of this wealth, once he's paid for the college education of his nephew, and he has been steadily doing exactly that.

    In August 2018, for instance, he donated approximately $5 million worth of Apple shares to an undisclosed charity. .
    Cook also donated $100 million in 2012. 
    edited August 2018 lolliverronn
  • Reply 8 of 47
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Although they are totally different, there is a common thread that runs through both Jobs and Cook:
    Confidence with humility -- and a total, unconditional  commitment to Apple.

    It is the real secret sauce.
    lolliverthtFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 9 of 47
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,866member
    Jobs was first diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in the fall of 2003. In an extreme example of Jobs' stubborn nature, he first fought his disease with alternative medicine, as well as a special diet.
    And if he hadn't done that, he might be here still. Get yourself checked for cancer. If the find it do EXACTLY what your doctor says. Radiation, Surgery, Chemo, Immunotherapy, whatever. \Don't let the scam artists on the web fool you. Fighting cancer is the hardest thing you'll ever have to do. But there is a way to beat it. And that is NOT with diet, meditation, acupuncture or any of that other BS.
    macplusplusp-dogicoco3argonautjcs2305jony0ElCapitanmacxpressroundaboutnowtht
  • Reply 10 of 47
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,390member
    DAalseth said:
    Jobs was first diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in the fall of 2003. In an extreme example of Jobs' stubborn nature, he first fought his disease with alternative medicine, as well as a special diet.
    And if he hadn't done that, he might be here still. Get yourself checked for cancer. If the find it do EXACTLY what your doctor says. Radiation, Surgery, Chemo, Immunotherapy, whatever. \Don't let the scam artists on the web fool you. Fighting cancer is the hardest thing you'll ever have to do. But there is a way to beat it. And that is NOT with diet, meditation, acupuncture or any of that other BS.
    I'm a believer. ;)
    icoco3
  • Reply 11 of 47
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    DAalseth said:
    Jobs was first diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in the fall of 2003. In an extreme example of Jobs' stubborn nature, he first fought his disease with alternative medicine, as well as a special diet.
    And if he hadn't done that, he might be here still. Get yourself checked for cancer. If the find it do EXACTLY what your doctor says. Radiation, Surgery, Chemo, Immunotherapy, whatever. \Don't let the scam artists on the web fool you. Fighting cancer is the hardest thing you'll ever have to do. But there is a way to beat it. And that is NOT with diet, meditation, acupuncture or any of that other BS.
    Actually, it's your own body that is the primary defense against cancer.  Not the doctors.   That's why the doctor's are using immuno-therapies more and more.   But, in the case of Pancreatic cancer, the prognosis is bad either way.
    mdriftmeyerdav
  • Reply 12 of 47
    davgregdavgreg Posts: 1,039member
    When a Doctor tells you that you have Pancreatic Cancer you do not waste time in prayer- not mentioned here, but widely reported, fad diets or fasting. It is amazing that smart people can be so stupid and gullible regarding faith and regarding unproven “alternative” Medicine.

    I have worked in Medical Radiology for over 30 years and a significant part of that involved in the diagnosis, treatment, and tracking of Cancer. The specific kind of Pancreatic Cancer he suffered from was one that- if caught early enough - can be treated with the surgical procedure mentioned. It is not a simple procedure and has profound downstream consequences, but can give a patient a high probability of surviving Pancreatic Cancer. Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsberg was successfully treated for a similar form of Pancreatic Cancer and is still alive and kicking, primarily because she did not fritter away precious time with nonsense like prayer, fasting, fad diets and alternative medicine.

    Steve Jobs, for all his money and connections, could not get back that precious time he foolishly wasted. That should be an object lesson for everyone. I cannot give you medical advice, but would admonish all to not play around with any Cancer diagnosis. With Cancer, time is the one thing you cannot spare.

    I have seen so many people valiantly struggle with Cancer- some surviving and others not. My own Mother died in 2016 of Multiple Myeloma and watching her struggle with it was one of the hardest things I have ever had to witness. To think he had an early diagnosis and wasted it still makes me mad- most people do not get that gift.
    edited August 2018 p-dogargonautElCapitanradarthekatroundaboutnowthtmontrosemacscanukstormwilliamlondon
  • Reply 13 of 47
    carnegiecarnegie Posts: 1,078member
    melgross said:
    melgross said:
    One major fact that is wrong. When Jobs announced his leaving as CEO, he also stated that he would be Chairman, and an activist one at that. He didn’t leave the company. His death shortly after came as a shock to me, because I would have thought that he wouldn’t have stayed on knowing he had so little time left. But then, Apple was more his child, then his actual children, so I suppose it made sense to him.

    on the other hand, he might have thought that he had more time.
    We didn't say that he did.

    And, I guarantee that he thought he had more time. We didn't really address it here, but there's a discussion about it in Isaacson's book.
    The first sentence says that Jobs announced his resignation. He didn’t. He announced that he was stepping down from the CEO position,  and that he would continue as an active Chairman.

    and, while everyone uses that book as gospel, a number of people who knew Jobs said, when it came out, that the book wasn’t correct in a number of areas, and that it also depicted Jobs somewhat differently from the way they knew him.
    Mr. Jobs resigned as CEO of Apple on August 24, 2011. That's what the article indicates. But maybe it previously said or suggested something different? For instance, that he resigned from Apple altogether?

    It was announced that he had been appointed as Chairman of the Board at that time. Prior to his resigning as CEO he wasn't Apple's Chairman, just one of its directors. It was also announced that he would remain an Apple employee (which is different from him being a director).

  • Reply 14 of 47
    DAalseth said:
    Jobs was first diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in the fall of 2003. In an extreme example of Jobs' stubborn nature, he first fought his disease with alternative medicine, as well as a special diet.
    And if he hadn't done that, he might be here still. Get yourself checked for cancer. If the find it do EXACTLY what your doctor says. Radiation, Surgery, Chemo, Immunotherapy, whatever. \Don't let the scam artists on the web fool you. Fighting cancer is the hardest thing you'll ever have to do. But there is a way to beat it. And that is NOT with diet, meditation, acupuncture or any of that other BS.
    Diagnosis (sadly this is often down to luck) and EARLY treatment still offers the 'best' in terms of choices going forward.
    DAalsethmacplusplusFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 15 of 47
    jd_in_sbjd_in_sb Posts: 1,600member
    You linked to the wrong video for Steve’s last public appearance, which was when he announced Apple Park. Your video was from years earlier
    edited August 2018
  • Reply 16 of 47
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    davgreg said:
    When a Doctor tells you that you have Pancreatic Cancer you do not waste time in prayer- not mentioned here, but widely reported, fad diets or fasting. It is amazing that smart people can be so stupid and gullible regarding faith and regarding unproven “alternative” Medicine.

    I have worked in Medical Radiology for over 30 years and a significant part of that involved in the diagnosis, treatment, and tracking of Cancer. The specific kind of Pancreatic Cancer he suffered from was one that- if caught early enough - can be treated with the surgical procedure mentioned. It is not a simple procedure and has profound downstream consequences, but can give a patient a high probability of surviving Pancreatic Cancer. Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsberg was successfully treated for a similar form of Pancreatic Cancer and is still alive and kicking, primarily because she did not fritter away precious time with nonsense like prayer, fasting, fad diets and alternative medicine.

    Steve Jobs, for all his money and connections, could not get back that precious time he foolishly wasted. That should be an object lesson for everyone. I cannot give you medical advice, but would admonish all to not play around with any Cancer diagnosis. With Cancer, time is the one thing you cannot spare.

    I have seen so many people valiantly struggle with Cancer- some surviving and others not. My own Mother died in 2016 of Multiple Myeloma and watching her struggle with it was one of the hardest things I have ever had to witness. To think he had an early diagnosis and wasted it still makes me mad- most people do not get that gift.
    Yeh, that's true -- for pancreatic cancer.  With quick and proper medical treatment a small percentage do survive -- and the odds of that are improving.

    But, for the most common cancers:  Prostate, breast and colon, lifestyle medicine (which you call "fad diets") are the only way to prevent them.  And, once incurred should be implemented.   To put exclusive faith in a medical system that talks big but offers little is foolish.

    It is unfortunate that the medical system can't make money from those treatments.  So, they instead look on them as competitors and try to discredit them.  That competition has cost millions their lives....
    mdriftmeyerdesignrmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 17 of 47
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    kimberly said:
    DAalseth said:
    Jobs was first diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in the fall of 2003. In an extreme example of Jobs' stubborn nature, he first fought his disease with alternative medicine, as well as a special diet.
    And if he hadn't done that, he might be here still. Get yourself checked for cancer. If the find it do EXACTLY what your doctor says. Radiation, Surgery, Chemo, Immunotherapy, whatever. \Don't let the scam artists on the web fool you. Fighting cancer is the hardest thing you'll ever have to do. But there is a way to beat it. And that is NOT with diet, meditation, acupuncture or any of that other BS.
    Diagnosis (sadly this is often down to luck) and EARLY treatment still offers the 'best' in terms of choices going forward.
    Unfortunately, because it produces few symptoms early on, pancreatic cancer is rarely caught early enough for medical treatment to be effective.
    designr
  • Reply 18 of 47
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,585member
    carnegie said:
    melgross said:
    melgross said:
    One major fact that is wrong. When Jobs announced his leaving as CEO, he also stated that he would be Chairman, and an activist one at that. He didn’t leave the company. His death shortly after came as a shock to me, because I would have thought that he wouldn’t have stayed on knowing he had so little time left. But then, Apple was more his child, then his actual children, so I suppose it made sense to him.

    on the other hand, he might have thought that he had more time.
    We didn't say that he did.

    And, I guarantee that he thought he had more time. We didn't really address it here, but there's a discussion about it in Isaacson's book.
    The first sentence says that Jobs announced his resignation. He didn’t. He announced that he was stepping down from the CEO position,  and that he would continue as an active Chairman.

    and, while everyone uses that book as gospel, a number of people who knew Jobs said, when it came out, that the book wasn’t correct in a number of areas, and that it also depicted Jobs somewhat differently from the way they knew him.
    Mr. Jobs resigned as CEO of Apple on August 24, 2011. That's what the article indicates. But maybe it previously said or suggested something different? For instance, that he resigned from Apple altogether?

    It was announced that he had been appointed as Chairman of the Board at that time. Prior to his resigning as CEO he wasn't Apple's Chairman, just one of its directors. It was also announced that he would remain an Apple employee (which is different from him being a director).

    Your confusion is because they changed that sentence in the article. The article said that he resigned from the company. He did not, he stepped down from the CEO position. Some say resigned as CEO, and that’s fine. But he stayed with the company, pointedly stating that he would be an active Chairman, stay on the Board if Directors (which he had to as Chairman), and REMAIN an employee.

    at no point did he resign from the company, or step down from the board. His being “appointed” as Chairman wasn’t a step that he didn’t control completely. There wasn’t the slightest chance the board wouldn’t let him do whatever he wanted to. There is no doubt that the board agreed to have him as Chairman before he stepped down as CEO.

    lets not pretend that this was something it was not.
    edited August 2018
  • Reply 19 of 47
    carnegiecarnegie Posts: 1,078member
    melgross said:
    carnegie said:
    melgross said:
    melgross said:
    One major fact that is wrong. When Jobs announced his leaving as CEO, he also stated that he would be Chairman, and an activist one at that. He didn’t leave the company. His death shortly after came as a shock to me, because I would have thought that he wouldn’t have stayed on knowing he had so little time left. But then, Apple was more his child, then his actual children, so I suppose it made sense to him.

    on the other hand, he might have thought that he had more time.
    We didn't say that he did.

    And, I guarantee that he thought he had more time. We didn't really address it here, but there's a discussion about it in Isaacson's book.
    The first sentence says that Jobs announced his resignation. He didn’t. He announced that he was stepping down from the CEO position,  and that he would continue as an active Chairman.

    and, while everyone uses that book as gospel, a number of people who knew Jobs said, when it came out, that the book wasn’t correct in a number of areas, and that it also depicted Jobs somewhat differently from the way they knew him.
    Mr. Jobs resigned as CEO of Apple on August 24, 2011. That's what the article indicates. But maybe it previously said or suggested something different? For instance, that he resigned from Apple altogether?

    It was announced that he had been appointed as Chairman of the Board at that time. Prior to his resigning as CEO he wasn't Apple's Chairman, just one of its directors. It was also announced that he would remain an Apple employee (which is different from him being a director).

    Your confusion is because they changed that sentence in the article. The article said that he resigned from the company. He did not, he stepped down from the CEO position. Some say resigned as CEO, and that’s fine. But he stayed with the company, pointedly stating that he would be an active Chairman, stay on the Board if Directors (which he had to as Chairman), and REMAIN an employee.

    at no point did he resign from the company, or step down from the board. His being “appointed” as Chairman wasn’t a step that he didn’t control completely. There wasn’t the slightest chance the board wouldn’t let him do whatever he wanted to. There is no doubt that the board agreed to have him as Chairman before he stepped down as CEO.

    lets not pretend that this was something it was not.
    I wasn't confused, I was asking if that's what happened - i.e., if the article had been changed. As for some saying he resigned as CEO: Yes, some say that because that's what happened. That's what Apple said happened.

    That said, of course it was Mr. Jobs' choice to become the Chairman when he resigned as CEO. I didn't suggest otherwise. No one is (at least, I'm not) pretending that situation was something it wasn't. Mr. Jobs chose to resign as CEO, and (with the Board's approval) become Chairman, and remain as an employee. 
    Solilolliverronn
  • Reply 20 of 47
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,866member
    davgreg said:
    When a Doctor tells you that you have Pancreatic Cancer you do not waste time in prayer- not mentioned here, but widely reported, fad diets or fasting. It is amazing that smart people can be so stupid and gullible regarding faith and regarding unproven “alternative” Medicine.

    I have worked in Medical Radiology for over 30 years and a significant part of that involved in the diagnosis, treatment, and tracking of Cancer. The specific kind of Pancreatic Cancer he suffered from was one that- if caught early enough - can be treated with the surgical procedure mentioned. It is not a simple procedure and has profound downstream consequences, but can give a patient a high probability of surviving Pancreatic Cancer. Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsberg was successfully treated for a similar form of Pancreatic Cancer and is still alive and kicking, primarily because she did not fritter away precious time with nonsense like prayer, fasting, fad diets and alternative medicine.

    Steve Jobs, for all his money and connections, could not get back that precious time he foolishly wasted. That should be an object lesson for everyone. I cannot give you medical advice, but would admonish all to not play around with any Cancer diagnosis. With Cancer, time is the one thing you cannot spare.

    I have seen so many people valiantly struggle with Cancer- some surviving and others not. My own Mother died in 2016 of Multiple Myeloma and watching her struggle with it was one of the hardest things I have ever had to witness. To think he had an early diagnosis and wasted it still makes me mad- most people do not get that gift.
    Yeh, that's true -- for pancreatic cancer.  With quick and proper medical treatment a small percentage do survive -- and the odds of that are improving.

    But, for the most common cancers:  Prostate, breast and colon, lifestyle medicine (which you call "fad diets") are the only way to prevent them.  And, once incurred should be implemented.   To put exclusive faith in a medical system that talks big but offers little is foolish.

    It is unfortunate that the medical system can't make money from those treatments.  So, they instead look on them as competitors and try to discredit them.  That competition has cost millions their lives....
    As you say you can reduce your risk of cancers with diet and lifestyle changes, but you cannot eliminate them, and you cannot cure them. 
    When I was diagnosed with colon cancer it shocked everyone. I had been a vegetarian for 20 years, never smoked, never drank, got a good amount of exercise, I was the poster child for how to avoid cancer. The only reason I'm here today is I did what the doctors ordered. 30 days after my diagnosis I went in for surgery. They took the tumour and 4 inches of colon and a bunch of lymph nodes. As we feared it had spread. A few weeks after surgery I started chemotherapy. That went on for seven months. It was hard, but I beat it. 

    I didn't beat my cancer with herbs or meditation or, my favourite suggestion, rubbing Cannabis Oil on my stomach. I beat it by following my Doctors orders to the letter. That's why I'm still here eight years later. 

    When I was going through Chemo, there were always a number of people in the room getting their treatments at the same time, and we'd talk. You know what we called people who rely on alternative medicine to cure their cancer?

    Cadavers.
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