Woman sues feds over data retention after iPhone seized at border

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  • Reply 21 of 73
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 7,429member
    It is surprising that she didn’t sue Apple too for failing to protect her data. /s But let’s see her prove the government got into her iPhone. That will prove interesting.
  • Reply 22 of 73
    America is not run by Islamic religion. So that argument of hers is moot. 


    How is it moot? Are people not allowed to practice any religion they choose?
    ronnSolidysamoriafastasleep
  • Reply 23 of 73
    ireland said:
    As a reminder, this is not the place for your political manifesto. Err on the side of caution, and if you even think you're toeing up to the line, maybe read our commenting guidelines linked at the bottom of every page.
    So why mention her religion?
    Because maybe it has foundational relevance?  While some people might consider some of the pictures innocent and no big deal, to the individual in question it provides a foundation of why this legal action is important to her.   It, therefore, could be considered a violation of her religious freedoms since the action taken (assuming they kept a copy) has no redeeming value. 
    dysamoriasvanstrom
  • Reply 24 of 73
    lkrupp said:
    It is surprising that she didn’t sue Apple too for failing to protect her data. /s But let’s see her prove the government got into her iPhone. That will prove interesting.
    She should not "legally" have to prove it since the government should have to follow the law.  The case should at least get to the discovery phase (assuming the case is civil) in which the government should be required to answer that question (without perjuring).
    ronndysamoria
  • Reply 25 of 73
    This is why everyone should carry 2 iPhones.

    Just hand them your old iPhone 5s with nothing but some random pics from your trip. Keep your new iPhone X in your carry-on bag.

    edited August 2018
  • Reply 26 of 73
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    dipdog3 said:
    This is why everyone should carry 2 iPhones.

    Just hand them your old iPhone 5s with nothing but some random pics from your trip. Keep your new iPhone X in your carryon bag.
    “We see you have another phone in your carry-on bag. Unlock it. Now.”
    dysamoriaSpamSandwich
  • Reply 27 of 73
    bkkcanuck said:
    When the constitution was written there was no concept of good that was not physical.
    Are thoughts legally a “good”? And specifically, is “intellectual property” that is not yet written down considered a “thought”?
    ...anything not stored in a hole in your own backyard - you don't have an expectation of privacy...
    Even then you don’t have any expectation, because you don’t actually own the land. You can own your house, but not the land. Thanks, literally the communist manifesto, for subverting our government and getting that passed!
    Basically, the courts have not been faithful as to the intent of the constitution
    Gasp! A fact about the courts? Heresy!
    I highly doubt they meant for public use to allowing the government to take your property and give it to another private corporation as to increase the tax base (did they even have property taxes back then ... ) .  Public use is very simply - roads, infrastructure, public parks... not legalized theft.  
    Gotta thank Marx for that one, too.

    I can’t like AND informative your post, unfortunately.
    volcan said:
    When will people learn not to keep naked photos on their personal devices?
    When will people learn not to keep naked photos?

    If people want to keep, take, send etc. nude pictures of themselves or their SOs that is their business.  It isn't an issue if you don't care that other people may accidentally see them.
    dysamoriaStrangeDays
  • Reply 28 of 73
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 2,326member
    ipilya said:
    I used to travel back and forth internationally at least 4 times a month. I was put on a "black list" where for the next 5 years I was personally screened each and every time I came through.

    The trigger was when border patrol wanted to look through my computer. I refused and told them they needed to get permission from my legal department (Microsoft). I came to find out later that rights do not exist at the border, since no in that zone has technically Entered the US. I find this odd since the US has laws that govern its citizens regardless where they are in the world, but essentials like the bill of rights do not apply. Double standards?

    To bypass this issue, I created two separate logins. So if they would ask to view the computer, I would simply log into the secondary account. They are not trained nor do they have the technical expertise to know better. In my case, they kept on looking for things like spreadsheets as I was "suspected" of illegal trading. Just a shame we cannot do this with our iOS devices.

    Its is an interesting topic but doubt very much this is a good forum for it.
    There are exclusion zones for rights. They are everywhere that is considered a national border, and they are very large.

    https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
  • Reply 29 of 73
    dipdog3 said:
    This is why everyone should carry 2 iPhones.

    Just hand them your old iPhone 5s with nothing but some random pics from your trip. Keep your new iPhone X in your carryon bag.
    “We see you have another phone in your carry-on bag. Unlock it. Now.”
    If you really need to hide something, backup and wipe the phone before you take off. Be sure to set it up as a new device under and dummy iCloud account.

    When you get to wherever you are going, you can restore it back.
    edited August 2018 tallest skil
  • Reply 30 of 73
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 2,326member
    volcan said:
    When will people learn not to keep naked photos on their personal devices?
    "Personal devices". So, never?

    Also, being "exposed" under her religion is not the same as being "naked" in many cultures outside her religion.
    ronn
  • Reply 31 of 73
    ronnronn Posts: 336member
    This is why I carry a POS Android device when I travel out of the country. I use it for texting and have none of my accounts on it, just the standard OS and use it sparingly. I don't have the time or patience to fight for my rights. Especially when I'm traveling for pleasure. I might fight if my travel is just for a conference though and I need to have my iPhone + laptop/iPad.

    The US Supreme Court has upheld these bogus intrusions under the theory that they are reasonable and routine. I would think this particular case is neither and warrants (har!) a look and possible hand smacking for the government agency.
    dysamoriaCarnage
  • Reply 32 of 73
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    jbilgihan said:
    If people want to keep, take, send etc. nude pictures of themselves or their SOs that is their business.  It isn't an issue if you don't care that other people may accidentally see them.
    The only secure way to do it is through polaroids, then.
  • Reply 33 of 73
    ronnronn Posts: 336member
    dipdog3 said:
    This is why everyone should carry 2 iPhones.

    Just hand them your old iPhone 5s with nothing but some random pics from your trip. Keep your new iPhone X in your carry-on bag.

    You have to place all electronic devices in a separate bin to be screened. If you were to hide a phone in your carry-on and have it discovered, you've just given security a legitimate reason to conduct a more invasive search. Good luck with that.
    dysamoriaStrangeDaysCarnage
  • Reply 34 of 73
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 2,326member
    ...anything not stored in a hole in your own backyard - you don't have an expectation of privacy...
    Even then you don’t have any expectation, because you don’t actually own the land. You can own your house, but not the land. Thanks, literally the communist manifesto, for subverting our government and getting that passed!
    Basically, the courts have not been faithful as to the intent of the constitution
    Gasp! A fact about the courts? Heresy!
    I highly doubt they meant for public use to allowing the government to take your property and give it to another private corporation as to increase the tax base (did they even have property taxes back then ... ) .  Public use is very simply - roads, infrastructure, public parks... not legalized theft.  
    Gotta thank Marx for that one, too.
    Are you making these communism references in the context of the USA? If so, explain, because the USA isn't a communist nation, nor is it socialist.
    ronn
  • Reply 35 of 73
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 2,326member
    lkrupp said:
    It is surprising that she didn’t sue Apple too for failing to protect her data. /s 
    Why do you even go there?
  • Reply 36 of 73
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,791member
    ronn said:
    You have to place all electronic devices in a separate bin to be screened. If you were to hide a phone in your carry-on and have it discovered, you've just given security a legitimate reason to conduct a more invasive search. Good luck with that.
    You only do that on departure not on arrival in the US. They do often x-ray your luggage once you pass immigration just as you exit the airport but you don't have to remove anything once you have made it that far unless the x-ray turns up contraband, but that wouldn't include an iPhone. Of course that being said they can search everything you have including a strip search for any reason.

    edited August 2018
  • Reply 37 of 73
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 2,326member
    America is not run by Islamic religion. So that argument of hers is moot. 

    Howver, the government can’t just steal or borrow your stuff and keep it however long. 

    Go go take a trip. Come home. Get violated. Not cool. 
    Your first statement is incorrect. The USA's  declarations of freedom promises freedom of religion.

    Your other statements were good, though I couldn't like the comment as a whole because of the "argument is moot" statement. It isn't moot. It is valid per American ideology. If the USA does not actively and equally protect all persons from persecution, in context to their religion, then that's another thing entirely.
  • Reply 38 of 73
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 2,326member
    Also, I hope this woman is successful. I'm not antigovernment, but these are areas of overreach, IMO, and it needs to be reeled in.
    dewme
  • Reply 39 of 73
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    dysamoria said:
    Are you making these communism references in the context of the USA?
    Uh... yeah.
     If so, explain, because the USA isn't a communist nation, nor is it socialist.
    Read the communist manifesto, compare its stated goals to the changes to the US in the last 100 years, realize what I’m talking about. This isn’t the thread for it.
    JanNL
  • Reply 40 of 73
    linkmanlinkman Posts: 932member
    tallest skil said: When will people learn not to keep naked photos?
    Because taking naked photos and deleting/destroying them immediately serves no purpose.
    StrangeDaysfastasleep
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