I stilll sloppily tap and touch the edges on my iPad Pro 12.9. I cant imagine the, being any smaller. And I don’t even have big hands or fingers compared to most.
I can imagine the bezels being thinner simply to get more screen real estate into a smaller chassis. Yeah, it makes the device less touchable but putting it in a grippy case will alleviate some of the handling issues. One issue I do see with the thinner bezel design is how does one actually hold the beast to take pictures? Once you get above the iPad Mini form factor having a rear camera is kind of superfluous because it is so clumsy to use. It's not like Apple puts a rear camera on MacBooks so why put one on a device with a similarly sized and proportioned screen? Front facing, not a problem.
To be perfectly honest, the 12.9" current iPad Pro is not really a comfortable device to hold while using. Even when sitting in a chair or on a sofa it feels like you're holding a small TV in your hands or on your lap. In portrait orientation it is especially imposing because it sticks up so far beyond where you are gripping it with your hands that it could easily flop backward or forward. The screen and performance are glorious but to call the 12.9" iPad a handheld device is similar to calling the original Compaq Portable computers, which weighed in at a very hefty 23 pounds, "portable." Using the 12.9" in your hands to take pictures, crazy uncomfortable.
I await the day when Apple loosens up on the industrial look of iPhones, iPads and Macs, and starts to have fun with the designs again. Remember the original iMacs? And the various designs of iPods? Then things became repetitive and boring,..
Can you give an example of this whimsy?I don’t see what can be done on a modern phone or iPad that’s almost all screen.
Edge to edge display? Has the definition of edge to edge been redefined to mean not edge to edge, but with smaller bezels?i also don’t the know if the one camera design is what we’ll be seeing. I expect the two camera module.
If the measurements leaked from Mac Otakara are correct, the bezel is about 9mm all the way around; the notch is 8.93mm so it makes sense.
re: edge to edge, i have no idea why that description is used when the bezel is 9mm—actually growing a couple mm on the long edges for the smaller iPad Pro. It doesn’t even really make sense to call the iPhone edge to edge but it’s used often.
Again if the overall dims are correct, the 11.0” gets a new aspect ratio of 10:7, with about 15mm added to the (portrait) height while the width stays the same. The 12.9” keeps the original 4:3 aspect ratio and again the bezel is about 9mm all the way around.
re: the rear camera, there are no rumors of dual lenses so there’s no reason to expect that.
I can’t think of a reason why Apple would want to change the aspect ratio. That makes no sense. So some other measurement is wrong. As to the cameras, not hearing a rumor doesn’t mean that it’s not happening, just as hearing a rumor doesn’t mean it is.
Angular edges, therefore radically different to round edges. Give me a break. I think rounded edges are nicer, for the most part, but angled edges could be an attempt to further reduce device footprint. That said, in the grand scheme of things these difference won't have me call them radical.
The first iPad, which I still have, had these flat edges, with a curved back. They got rid of both with the second model. So it’s not even a new thing, but an old thing.
Hmm, for some reason I can’t post this on the bottom, I can only access the keyboard when the cursor is at the top. I get a lot of anomaly’s on this site.
here in NYC I see a lot of young girls with cases with big ears on top, particularly with Chinese girls. So, possibly a case with big ears on top which can hold the stereo speakers.
I await the day when Apple loosens up on the industrial look of iPhones, iPads and Macs, and starts to have fun with the designs again. Remember the original iMacs? And the various designs of iPods? Then things became repetitive and boring,..
Are you sure you want that? Those iMacs were a Hail Mary from Apple and it was really just colored plastic variances. I prefer the aluminium over the plastic and now they offer several metallic colors. Then you have the iPod Nanos which kept changing up the look and added lots of colors when that market segment starting to crumble, plus those not being devices developers could build apps for meant that Apple could be more radical with display sizes, aspect ratios, pixel density.
In regards to "repetitive and boring" here's a run on sentence of their iPhone history: they started with a single silver+black model, then had a black and white plastic models, and then back to black with a glass model, and eventually they had black and white glass, and then we moved onto aluminum again with space grey+black, silver+white, and the cheap 5c models with various colors (blue, green, pink, yellow, and white, but all with a black glass front) that apparently weren't successful enough to keep around, and then gold+white was added, and then with the iPhone 6 series the colors were dropped again with only silver aluminium for a year until the 6s series when game out with 4 anodized colors (silver, space grey, gold, and rose gold, then they added a glossy black finish, and with the 8 series they removed 2(?) colors.
What would you do different to increase Apple's sales that they haven't tried and scraped? What exactly are you expecting with this "fun" design?
I await the day when Apple loosens up on the industrial look of iPhones, iPads and Macs, and starts to have fun with the designs again. Remember the original iMacs? And the various designs of iPods? Then things became repetitive and boring,..
Did BMW or Mercedes do that: losen design to make the product look cheap and hideous?
BMW has always looked cheap and ugly. IMHO, of course.
I'm not sure where design of these devices can go from here, anyway. Everything is some form of rectangle, the only differences is how big, and where the buttons are. While we're stuck with needing a big, flat piece of glass, everything will have to be built around it. When we get holographic projection screens that can put an interactive display up anywhere, we'll build everything around that.
Volvo too. But both have significantly improved the engineering of the chassis to the point that both have looked good for years.
Meh. How much can you do to a tablet form factor to make it different? Not much.
I want to know tech details. The A12X, memory, storage, screen and so on.
A12X. I really hope so. But Apple has usually come out with a new ipad several months after the phones. They’ve never had an X chip for the iPad, or an iPad out at the same time, together. So the speculation is that we either get an A11X, it a straight A12. I really hope that neither is true. It would be disappointing to have the much bigger, higher Rez iPad use an enhanced chip from last year, or a straight, possibly slightly speed boosted, phone chip from this year.
to me, that would have bad connotations. It would either meant that Apple doesn’t think they can, or should lead in SoC design with the iPad anymore, or that they simply do t consider the ipad to be a leading wdge design product. Neither would be a good sign
Edge to edge display? Has the definition of edge to edge been redefined to mean not edge to edge, but with smaller bezels?i also don’t the know if the one camera design is what we’ll be seeing. I expect the two camera module.
Newsflash: infinity edge pools don’t actually drop off to infinity, nor do their edges extend to infinity, nor does the perception extend to infinity, just to the Earth’s horizon, which is typically 3-12 miles, depending upon how high off the ground the pool is. Not every description must be taken literally.
Flash! Apple already has an edge to edge product, and it’s called the iPhone X, you may have heard of it? It has no bezels, just the edge of the case. This isn’t an edge to edge product, no matter how much anyone attempts to say it is. Comparing it to a pool isn’t relevant. Infinity pools look like the water is falling off the edge to infinity. These renders don’t look edge to edge.
Edge to edge display? Has the definition of edge to edge been redefined to mean not edge to edge, but with smaller bezels?
Has the definition of "near" changed? The article's title says "near edge-to-edge display"...
Yeah, it looks like they added that word later without saying so, which they’re supposed to do. They’ve don’t this in another article recently. People who come into this after they’ve done that don’t understand what we’re talking about because of it.
editorally, it’s impermissible. They are always supposed to make note of the change.
I await the day when Apple loosens up on the industrial look of iPhones, iPads and Macs, and starts to have fun with the designs again. Remember the original iMacs? And the various designs of iPods? Then things became repetitive and boring,..
Can you give an example of this whimsy?I don’t see what can be done on a modern phone or iPad that’s almost all screen.
We need an integrated phisical keyboard into iPhones. It is rediculous that Apple hasn’t produced even one phone with the phisical keyboard. That would be such an excitement and surprise! no one would expect that! This is how you innovate!
It sure would be a surprise. Then Blackberry would no longer have to license out phones to be made, and Apple could corner that entire android Blackberry market to themselves. That could add at least another 0.0003% to their sales.
I await the day when Apple loosens up on the industrial look of iPhones, iPads and Macs, and starts to have fun with the designs again. Remember the original iMacs? And the various designs of iPods? Then things became repetitive and boring,..
Can you give an example of this whimsy?I don’t see what can be done on a modern phone or iPad that’s almost all screen.
We need an integrated phisical keyboard into iPhones. It is rediculous that Apple hasn’t produced even one phone with the phisical keyboard. That would be such an excitement and surprise! no one would expect that! This is how you innovate!
If Apple really cared about the environment they would make a wind-up iPhone
Nah, some people already wind me up on this forum.
Edge to edge display? Has the definition of edge to edge been redefined to mean not edge to edge, but with smaller bezels?i also don’t the know if the one camera design is what we’ll be seeing. I expect the two camera module.
If the measurements leaked from Mac Otakara are correct, the bezel is about 9mm all the way around; the notch is 8.93mm so it makes sense.
re: edge to edge, i have no idea why that description is used when the bezel is 9mm—actually growing a couple mm on the long edges for the smaller iPad Pro. It doesn’t even really make sense to call the iPhone edge to edge but it’s used often.
Again if the overall dims are correct, the 11.0” gets a new aspect ratio of 10:7, with about 15mm added to the (portrait) height while the width stays the same. The 12.9” keeps the original 4:3 aspect ratio and again the bezel is about 9mm all the way around.
re: the rear camera, there are no rumors of dual lenses so there’s no reason to expect that.
I can’t think of a reason why Apple would want to change the aspect ratio. That makes no sense. So some other measurement is wrong. As to the cameras, not hearing a rumor doesn’t mean that it’s not happening, just as hearing a rumor doesn’t mean it is.
So you don’t like the measurements rumor and discount it, but make up your own for a two lens camera. Sure, why not?
Measurements could be wrong, of course. But if Apple likes the current physical size and wants to keep it about the same, the only way to do that is to add more display to take up the space of the large top/bottom bezels. Make sense? The glyph found in iOS 12 also supports the aspect ratio change, but we’ll know for sure this month or next.
Also, there seems to be widespread agreement in the rumors that the diagonal is 11.0”. That comes from a taller display, not a taller/wider display. Physical size is already getting a little wider due to expanding the long edge bezels. It doesn’t make sense to make it even wider by holding the aspect ratio. It’s just another Ming-Chi Kuo rumor, though; you’re free to ignore.
If the changes in iOS 12 are to get ready for this then I’d have to say the wrong interface designer are winning at Apple. the iOS 11 behavior of sliding one finger up from bottom of screen to get dock, app switcher and control center was vastly than the iOS 12 behavior of swiping down from the right top corner but not to far or you’ll get notifications instead.
Plus us while at springboard the same finger slide up just bounces like your doing something wrong until it finally concedes to show app switcher after swiping twice as far as normal.
Ios 11 seem already ready for the change new version is a backward step.
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To be perfectly honest, the 12.9" current iPad Pro is not really a comfortable device to hold while using. Even when sitting in a chair or on a sofa it feels like you're holding a small TV in your hands or on your lap. In portrait orientation it is especially imposing because it sticks up so far beyond where you are gripping it with your hands that it could easily flop backward or forward. The screen and performance are glorious but to call the 12.9" iPad a handheld device is similar to calling the original Compaq Portable computers, which weighed in at a very hefty 23 pounds, "portable." Using the 12.9" in your hands to take pictures, crazy uncomfortable.
here in NYC I see a lot of young girls with cases with big ears on top, particularly with Chinese girls. So, possibly a case with big ears on top which can hold the stereo speakers.
to me, that would have bad connotations. It would either meant that Apple doesn’t think they can, or should lead in SoC design with the iPad anymore, or that they simply do t consider the ipad to be a leading wdge design product. Neither would be a good sign
Flash! Apple already has an edge to edge product, and it’s called the iPhone X, you may have heard of it? It has no bezels, just the edge of the case. This isn’t an edge to edge product, no matter how much anyone attempts to say it is. Comparing it to a pool isn’t relevant. Infinity pools look like the water is falling off the edge to infinity. These renders don’t look edge to edge.
Do you want to take a poll here?
Yeah, it looks like they added that word later without saying so, which they’re supposed to do. They’ve don’t this in another article recently. People who come into this after they’ve done that don’t understand what we’re talking about because of it.
editorally, it’s impermissible. They are always supposed to make note of the change.
It sure would be a surprise. Then Blackberry would no longer have to license out phones to be made, and Apple could corner that entire android Blackberry market to themselves. That could add at least another 0.0003% to their sales.
Measurements could be wrong, of course. But if Apple likes the current physical size and wants to keep it about the same, the only way to do that is to add more display to take up the space of the large top/bottom bezels. Make sense? The glyph found in iOS 12 also supports the aspect ratio change, but we’ll know for sure this month or next.
Also, there seems to be widespread agreement in the rumors that the diagonal is 11.0”. That comes from a taller display, not a taller/wider display. Physical size is already getting a little wider due to expanding the long edge bezels. It doesn’t make sense to make it even wider by holding the aspect ratio. It’s just another Ming-Chi Kuo rumor, though; you’re free to ignore.
Very elegant and different to past iPads. I like it the trend.
I'll buy the smaller iPad Pro, for traveling, if it comes in rose gold to match my SE and MacBook!
the iOS 11 behavior of sliding one finger up from bottom of screen to get dock, app switcher and control center was vastly than the iOS 12 behavior of swiping down from the right top corner but not to far or you’ll get notifications instead.
Plus us while at springboard the same finger slide up just bounces like your doing something wrong until it finally concedes to show app switcher after swiping twice as far as normal.
Ios 11 seem already ready for the change new version is a backward step.