Did anybody bother to read the news article that Ebby was so kind to post?
I was right earlier in this thread when I mentioned the escalation of this telemarketing war. Now we see that the telemarketers are going to do an end run around the Telezapper. Did anybody see the news reports asking "Is the Telezapper a $40 brick?".
Ebby?s post demonstrates exactly what I?m talking about. You people can love telemarketing or hate it. But you will never stop it with technology. Telemarketers do not barge it to your house. They call you on the phone. There is a difference. The do no call list is the telephone equivalent to a no soliciting sign on your door. Do you think you have the right to shoot door-to-door sales people?
Some of you people are nothing but sadistic cowards. Why don?t you try boycotting business that use telemarketing? Go ahead, TRY IT! Why don?t you write to your congressperson? Get involved in something that will actually help your case. At the very least, if you want this LEGAL phone call to never happen again from company ?xyz?, then get placed on their no call list. No! You want to be called again so you can practice your little abusive games. You want to blow your load on a faceless, defenseless telemarketer that can?t fight back. You love it when they call because it gives you an excuse to act out.
There is a lot of BAD telemarketing out there, and if you get that type of call, tough luck. Do something productive about it. As for me, a large number of people I call are GLAD THAT I CALLED THEM! I offer a product that they want, at a better price than they could have gotten if I had not called. This particular job works for me. Others have not. I am convinced that you are not so upset that you were called. I believe you are upset because telemarketing exists in the first place. Well I?ve got news for you. It exists because it works. You believe that the public should be dead set against telemarketing just as you are. And the fact that they are not pisses you off. I am not the reason you get sales calls from time to time. Your neighbor is, because she keeps buying my product and making my sales method viable. Telemarketing is one of the most profitable sales tools for businesses today. Make it less profitable and it will go away. Like alcohol, cigarettes, and strip clubs, it is the demand that produces the supply. Your moral indignation does not impress me. Either put out a no soliciting sign or SHUT UP! Telemarketing is alive and well in America, and from what I can see, it will be around for a very long time. That?s America, baby! If you don?t want to do something positive to change it, then you can love it or leave it. I don?t care which.
<strong>Ebby?s post demonstrates exactly what I?m talking about. You people can love telemarketing or hate it. But you will never stop it with technology. Telemarketers do not barge it to your house. They call you on the phone. There is a difference. The do no call list is the telephone equivalent to a no soliciting sign on your door. Do you think you have the right to shoot door-to-door sales people?
Some of you people are nothing but sadistic cowards. Why don?t you try boycotting business that use telemarketing? Go ahead, TRY IT! Why don?t you write to your congressperson? Get involved in something that will actually help your case. At the very least, if you want this LEGAL phone call to never happen again from company ?xyz?, then get placed on their no call list. No! You want to be called again so you can practice your little abusive games. You want to blow your load on a faceless, defenseless telemarketer that can?t fight back. You love it when they call because it gives you an excuse to act out.
There is a lot of BAD telemarketing out there, and if you get that type of call, tough luck. Do something productive about it. As for me, a large number of people I call are GLAD THAT I CALLED THEM! I offer a product that they want, at a better price than they could have gotten if I had not called. This particular job works for me. Others have not. I am convinced that you are not so upset that you were called. I believe you are upset because telemarketing exists in the first place. Well I?ve got news for you. It exists because it works. You believe that the public should be dead set against telemarketing just as you are. And the fact that they are not pisses you off. I am not the reason you get sales calls from time to time. Your neighbor is, because she keeps buying my product and making my sales method viable. Telemarketing is one of the most profitable sales tools for businesses today. Make it less profitable and it will go away. Like alcohol, cigarettes, and strip clubs, it is the demand that produces the supply. Your moral indignation does not impress me. Either put out a no soliciting sign or SHUT UP! Telemarketing is alive and well in America, and from what I can see, it will be around for a very long time. That?s America, baby! If you don?t want to do something positive to change it, then you can love it or leave it. I don?t care which.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Do Not Call list doesn't work in the US. Yes, it exists. Yes, my parents are registered for it. However, it doesn't prevent calls from non-profit organizations, or from ANYONE who isn't trying to make a sale. So you end up getting calls from auto-glass places asking to set up a "meeting time." They always start their call out with, "Now, I'm not selling anything..." just so they aren't subject to the Do Not Call list.
I have a feeling that until telemarketing becomes an unprofitable business practice, it will live on no matter what. There will always be a loophole.
My house has been on the "no call list" in NYC all my life... and honestly I think we may have gotten maybe at most 10 telemarketing calls during that time, and most of them have been for political campaigns...I can only remember once or twice getting a call for someone selling something... once was a newspaper, which we already got anyway and the other time my mom picked up the phone... weird maybe NYC is just better because we have so many people they dont bother the people on the "do not call" list
also our number isn't listed... but i can still see us on caller IDs
my sister on the other hand has gotten telemarketing calls to her CELL PHONE... what is the best course of action for her to take?
<strong>my sister on the other hand has gotten telemarketing calls to her CELL PHONE... what is the best course of action for her to take?</strong><hr></blockquote>
If that happened to me, I'd call my cell phone company and give them a piece of my mind. Incoming calls on a landline is one thing because they don't cost us money, but to a cell phone??? That's like paying to be harrassed. If my cell phone company didn't do something to prevent that from ever, EVER happening again, I'd drop 'em like a rock.
Someone posted the tones online once. I downloaded them and recorded them to my voicemail at home. Now, folks hear "[BEEP BEEEP BEEEEP] Sorry, I'm not able to..." when they call.
some of those posts were long so someone might have said it, but the way that article is immune to the telezapper is just changing the algorithm. twoo beeps instead of one etc. the thing is just changingeverything. as that article shows, there are companies who lease out numbers to groups who need telemareters. so when the source gos so do many telemarketers. but if they change the software in say a few more sources then back come all the calls again. mac voyeur is right its just a tech war. but it'll work for a while.
[quote] If that happened to me, I'd call my cell phone company and give them a piece of my mind. <hr></blockquote>
I tried that. My phone was only 5 days old and I got a telemarketing call. I complained and they blamed me and said that I had obviously given my number to someone that sold it. I doubt that it had already gotten around in 5 days, and I don't sign up for "FREE" offers but oh well.
They offered to change my number and I replied with "Do you think if I have a brand new number for 5 days and get a telemarketing call, that another new number is actually going to help?!" And she just responded "Well, no I guess not."
You can't really blame them though. If your number gets around, how are they going to keep you from being called? Anyone with a quarter and a payphone can call any number they want.
That is the only telemarketing call I have gotten on the number in the 8 months I have had it though.
</strong><hr></blockquote>That's great, I hope it works. I think it would be funny if the entire country signed up for this. BTW, despite our resident telemarketer's support for this, the telemarketing companies fought this one to the death.
I wonder what the telemarketer's response will be. I've gotten calls from my credit-card company where I've asked to be put on their don't-call list, and they've argued with me about, saying they won't be allowed to call if someone steals my card or if there are other problems I need to know about it. I'm sure that's utter BS, but I'm guessing they'll try some kind of blackmail of that nature, given how much they think it's a right to call people.
asking to be added to a do not call list is the ONLY way to really cut down on telemarketing calls.
i used to get 10 per day and it sucked. over the next 3 months every single person i talked to i told them to add me to their do not call list.
sometimes it takes 30 days for it to go through, but almost half a year later now, i get 1 call per day at most, and it's from the same company. they just call during the day and leave a stupid ass recording. other than that one place, i don't get any calls anymore. it's great.
as for junk mail? the best thing i've found is to open up those credit card applications, tear everything in half and mail it back to them. that way they pay to send it, pay when i mail it back, and pay to process it. don't know that it's helping, but it's satisfying at least.
I've heard of a game where people take turns answering the phone. When they pick up the phone they start a timer. The object is to see how long you can keep the telemarketer on the line.
I sometimes try this if I'm not busy. I once tried to convince a nice lady that if her company would give me an iBook then I would sign up for their long distance service. Didn't work.
I have to take issue with the concept that being rude or aggressive toward telemarketers serves no end other than being sadistic. When I do not have the energy to try to keep the person on the phone as long as possible, I might very well yell or be otherwise antagonistic toward them. Sometimes at great length and ferocity, other times with a simple "Is this really what you wanted to be when you grew up?" Or I may just ask them to hold while I fetch "the decision maker of the house" and leave the phone until they hang up.
The main point here is costing the telemarketing company money. The longer they keep the line open for a non-sale, the less profitable the business is. The more abuse their employees take, the faster their turnover and retraining cycle will be, and the more they will have to compensate those who stay. I actually get no pleasure out of it, except knowing that I've contributed -- however slightly -- to the downfall of this horrible industry.
Anyone who takes a job as a telemarketer -- except possibly one who does so purposely to drain money and make no sales until he is fired -- deserves to take abuse until he can take no more and quits. The cycle must continue thusly, until the industry can no longer operate profitably.
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Did anybody bother to read the news article that Ebby was so kind to post?
I was right earlier in this thread when I mentioned the escalation of this telemarketing war. Now we see that the telemarketers are going to do an end run around the Telezapper. Did anybody see the news reports asking "Is the Telezapper a $40 brick?".
Not ashamed to say:
I TOLD YOU SO!!!!
Some of you people are nothing but sadistic cowards. Why don?t you try boycotting business that use telemarketing? Go ahead, TRY IT! Why don?t you write to your congressperson? Get involved in something that will actually help your case. At the very least, if you want this LEGAL phone call to never happen again from company ?xyz?, then get placed on their no call list. No! You want to be called again so you can practice your little abusive games. You want to blow your load on a faceless, defenseless telemarketer that can?t fight back. You love it when they call because it gives you an excuse to act out.
There is a lot of BAD telemarketing out there, and if you get that type of call, tough luck. Do something productive about it. As for me, a large number of people I call are GLAD THAT I CALLED THEM! I offer a product that they want, at a better price than they could have gotten if I had not called. This particular job works for me. Others have not. I am convinced that you are not so upset that you were called. I believe you are upset because telemarketing exists in the first place. Well I?ve got news for you. It exists because it works. You believe that the public should be dead set against telemarketing just as you are. And the fact that they are not pisses you off. I am not the reason you get sales calls from time to time. Your neighbor is, because she keeps buying my product and making my sales method viable. Telemarketing is one of the most profitable sales tools for businesses today. Make it less profitable and it will go away. Like alcohol, cigarettes, and strip clubs, it is the demand that produces the supply. Your moral indignation does not impress me. Either put out a no soliciting sign or SHUT UP! Telemarketing is alive and well in America, and from what I can see, it will be around for a very long time. That?s America, baby! If you don?t want to do something positive to change it, then you can love it or leave it. I don?t care which.
<strong>Ebby?s post demonstrates exactly what I?m talking about. You people can love telemarketing or hate it. But you will never stop it with technology. Telemarketers do not barge it to your house. They call you on the phone. There is a difference. The do no call list is the telephone equivalent to a no soliciting sign on your door. Do you think you have the right to shoot door-to-door sales people?
Some of you people are nothing but sadistic cowards. Why don?t you try boycotting business that use telemarketing? Go ahead, TRY IT! Why don?t you write to your congressperson? Get involved in something that will actually help your case. At the very least, if you want this LEGAL phone call to never happen again from company ?xyz?, then get placed on their no call list. No! You want to be called again so you can practice your little abusive games. You want to blow your load on a faceless, defenseless telemarketer that can?t fight back. You love it when they call because it gives you an excuse to act out.
There is a lot of BAD telemarketing out there, and if you get that type of call, tough luck. Do something productive about it. As for me, a large number of people I call are GLAD THAT I CALLED THEM! I offer a product that they want, at a better price than they could have gotten if I had not called. This particular job works for me. Others have not. I am convinced that you are not so upset that you were called. I believe you are upset because telemarketing exists in the first place. Well I?ve got news for you. It exists because it works. You believe that the public should be dead set against telemarketing just as you are. And the fact that they are not pisses you off. I am not the reason you get sales calls from time to time. Your neighbor is, because she keeps buying my product and making my sales method viable. Telemarketing is one of the most profitable sales tools for businesses today. Make it less profitable and it will go away. Like alcohol, cigarettes, and strip clubs, it is the demand that produces the supply. Your moral indignation does not impress me. Either put out a no soliciting sign or SHUT UP! Telemarketing is alive and well in America, and from what I can see, it will be around for a very long time. That?s America, baby! If you don?t want to do something positive to change it, then you can love it or leave it. I don?t care which.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You were born to be a telemarketer.
I have a feeling that until telemarketing becomes an unprofitable business practice, it will live on no matter what. There will always be a loophole.
also our number isn't listed... but i can still see us on caller IDs
my sister on the other hand has gotten telemarketing calls to her CELL PHONE... what is the best course of action for her to take?
<strong> maybe NYC is just better because we have so many people they dont bother the people on the "do not call" list</strong><hr></blockquote>
just a note... there are SO many Telemarketing jokes on Sinefeld...
<strong>my sister on the other hand has gotten telemarketing calls to her CELL PHONE... what is the best course of action for her to take?</strong><hr></blockquote>
If that happened to me, I'd call my cell phone company and give them a piece of my mind. Incoming calls on a landline is one thing because they don't cost us money, but to a cell phone??? That's like paying to be harrassed. If my cell phone company didn't do something to prevent that from ever, EVER happening again, I'd drop 'em like a rock.
Goodbye to telemarketers after a few weeks.
so if you want one buy one from radio shack
I tried that. My phone was only 5 days old and I got a telemarketing call. I complained and they blamed me and said that I had obviously given my number to someone that sold it. I doubt that it had already gotten around in 5 days, and I don't sign up for "FREE" offers but oh well.
They offered to change my number and I replied with "Do you think if I have a brand new number for 5 days and get a telemarketing call, that another new number is actually going to help?!" And she just responded "Well, no I guess not."
You can't really blame them though. If your number gets around, how are they going to keep you from being called? Anyone with a quarter and a payphone can call any number they want.
That is the only telemarketing call I have gotten on the number in the 8 months I have had it though.
<strong><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/bush.donotcall.ap/index.html"; target="_blank">Bush signs bill to help block telemarketing calls</a>
I wonder what the telemarketer's response will be. I've gotten calls from my credit-card company where I've asked to be put on their don't-call list, and they've argued with me about, saying they won't be allowed to call if someone steals my card or if there are other problems I need to know about it. I'm sure that's utter BS, but I'm guessing they'll try some kind of blackmail of that nature, given how much they think it's a right to call people.
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asking to be added to a do not call list is the ONLY way to really cut down on telemarketing calls.
i used to get 10 per day and it sucked. over the next 3 months every single person i talked to i told them to add me to their do not call list.
sometimes it takes 30 days for it to go through, but almost half a year later now, i get 1 call per day at most, and it's from the same company. they just call during the day and leave a stupid ass recording. other than that one place, i don't get any calls anymore. it's great.
as for junk mail? the best thing i've found is to open up those credit card applications, tear everything in half and mail it back to them. that way they pay to send it, pay when i mail it back, and pay to process it. don't know that it's helping, but it's satisfying at least.
I sometimes try this if I'm not busy. I once tried to convince a nice lady that if her company would give me an iBook then I would sign up for their long distance service. Didn't work.
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The main point here is costing the telemarketing company money. The longer they keep the line open for a non-sale, the less profitable the business is. The more abuse their employees take, the faster their turnover and retraining cycle will be, and the more they will have to compensate those who stay. I actually get no pleasure out of it, except knowing that I've contributed -- however slightly -- to the downfall of this horrible industry.
Anyone who takes a job as a telemarketer -- except possibly one who does so purposely to drain money and make no sales until he is fired -- deserves to take abuse until he can take no more and quits. The cycle must continue thusly, until the industry can no longer operate profitably.
-- ShadyG