Doesn't make any sense. According to the forums Apple's greed and lack of innovation is killing their sales.
Yeah, well, what does that tell you about tech blog forums? Tech blog forums are a conglomeration of anonymous posters with axes to grind, mostly negative axes against Apple in particular. Even after 40 years they can’t accept the fact that Apple exists, let alone is successful. The existence of Apple does something to their psyches, a sort of migraine headache of the id.
Yeah it's really bizarre. That Apple affects them in this way is bizarre enough, but that they go out of their way to hang around an Apple site to constantly and routinely tell people why other companies did it first, are more innovative, blah blah, is even more bizarre....at that point it's either a paycheck or an unhealthy condition. I'm not into sports, but I can't imagine going to some rival team's website to tell everybody how much they dislike their team. Nuts.
Yeah, I have never understood why the Android fanboys are so obsessed with Apple. There are so many Apple websites that are absolutely flooded with Android fanboys while you almost never see any Apple users posting on Android sites. The worst part of it is for the most part they really don't seem to understand Apple at all or if they do they completely distort it. I am not going to say that Apple is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but the Android fanboys are so blind in their hatred of Apple they add absolutely nothing to the discussion.
I'll give you a good example of this ignorance. I have a friend who's an Android fanboy, and asked him where Android has an edge over Apple. Here was his list:
1.Google Assistant hands down the best assistant on the market
2. foldable devices- utilizing brand new foldable screen technology that Apple will adopt in a few years after the fact
3. In display fingerprint readers- allowing for near bezel-less screens and ditching the notch which everybody hates
4. Multiple focal length cameras, allowing users the ability to take a wider range of shots
My friend doesn't even realize you can get Google Assistant on iOS nor does he realize that Apple is supposed to put 3 cameras on some of their phones this year. (I'll leave it up to others to evaluate how bad the other 2 examples are.)
Doesn't make any sense. According to the forums Apple's greed and lack of innovation is killing their sales.
This article is for US sales only and is an estimation. Also, Apple in the US only has competition from Samsung. There is virtually no competition from Chinese manufacturers.
In that context it makes some sense. However, if you look back over the last few years and see sales flattening out, even in the US, it starts to look like the typical 'peak' centred around Apple's biggest sales period.
In the rest of the world, price and lack of innovation do in fact seem to be impacting iPhone performance.
Android is popular with financially challenged people and Android does well especially in third world countries, for obvious reasons.
I also have a theory for why so many Android devices get sold. It's simple, they don't last that long and they need to be replaced much more often.
Buying an Android phone is like buying a pair of socks.
People use iOS devices for many, many years, while they still get the latest updates and their devices function well for a very long time. My mom still has an iPad 2 from 2011 that she uses to FaceTime with and it still works fine, though I might surprise her with a new iPad mini 5 sometime soon. Most Android phones are obsolete as soon as they are bought, and the clock is quickly ticking down until they need to be replaced with yet another cheap garbage Android phone.
The lifespan of iOS devices are much greater than the lifespans of an Android device. It's like comparing the lifespan of an average human living in 2019 compared to the lifespan of some dude living in the Middle Ages.
iOS devices lead much more productive and happy, meaningful lives. Android devices lead a miserable existence, and face a cruel and hasty death.
That is a HUGE issue we don't hear enough about. The waste (economics-wise, environmentally) of 'throw away' electronic devices. And since you get an android phone almost for 'free' it has no value to anyone using it. And where and how do you service it? With Apple stores, there is a place to go with questions and help. Androids really are disposable.
It really isn't HUGE. The EU has had the WEEE and RoHS directives in force for years. In fact, all consumer electronic and electrical equipment sold today already includes the price of recycling. This is why, when you purchase a new fridge for example, the retailer you buy the new one from has to take the old from you if you don't want it. In fact many companies and manufacturers themselves will even pay to take a phone back so they can extract valuable components feom it, especially rare earth.
After the RoHS directive, the impact was felt worldwide as manufacturers used the changes imposed by the EU directive in all their products independently of the destination it will be sold.
On top of that, many non-EU countries have similar systems.
Many Android phones have years of value in them. I have no idea where you got that idea from. Even after they stop receiving official OS updates, applications continue to receive updates (including security improvements).
Doesn't make any sense. According to the forums Apple's greed and lack of innovation is killing their sales.
Yeah, well, what does that tell you about tech blog forums? Tech blog forums are a conglomeration of anonymous posters with axes to grind, mostly negative axes against Apple in particular. Even after 40 years they can’t accept the fact that Apple exists, let alone is successful. The existence of Apple does something to their psyches, a sort of migraine headache of the id.
Yeah it's really bizarre. That Apple affects them in this way is bizarre enough, but that they go out of their way to hang around an Apple site to constantly and routinely tell people why other companies did it first, are more innovative, blah blah, is even more bizarre....at that point it's either a paycheck or an unhealthy condition. I'm not into sports, but I can't imagine going to some rival team's website to tell everybody how much they dislike their team. Nuts.
If you care to look, mostly the situation is the opposite. Something is said that actually isn't true or is only half true and this results in more balanced and accurate viewpoints coming into play. Those viewpoints more often than not carry the weight of supporting links etc have the benefit of coming from people who use both iOS and Android as systems or software that runs on both systems.
Having correct or simply even contrasting information is key to understanding a discussion.
Doesn't make any sense. According to the forums Apple's greed and lack of innovation is killing their sales.
Yeah, well, what does that tell you about tech blog forums? Tech blog forums are a conglomeration of anonymous posters with axes to grind, mostly negative axes against Apple in particular. Even after 40 years they can’t accept the fact that Apple exists, let alone is successful. The existence of Apple does something to their psyches, a sort of migraine headache of the id.
Yeah it's really bizarre. That Apple affects them in this way is bizarre enough, but that they go out of their way to hang around an Apple site to constantly and routinely tell people why other companies did it first, are more innovative, blah blah, is even more bizarre....at that point it's either a paycheck or an unhealthy condition. I'm not into sports, but I can't imagine going to some rival team's website to tell everybody how much they dislike their team. Nuts.
If you care to look, mostly the situation is the opposite. Something is said that actually isn't true or is only half true and this results in more balanced and accurate viewpoints coming into play. Those viewpoints more often than not carry the weight of supporting links etc have the benefit of coming from people who use both iOS and Android as systems or software that runs on both systems.
Having correct or simply even contrasting information is key to understanding a discussion.
Note that Huawei still doesn't lead in any region>
If anything Oppo is the builder with the most rapid growth in the segment.
You keep assuming that Huawei would be a good choice for the U.S., but the truth would be that it would takes some of Samsung's share, and very little of Apple's.
Reason is pretty obvious;
272 Apple stores serving decades of loyal U.S. customers.
Doesn't make any sense. According to the forums Apple's greed and lack of innovation is killing their sales.
This article is for US sales only and is an estimation. Also, Apple in the US only has competition from Samsung. There is virtually no competition from Chinese manufacturers.
In that context it makes some sense. However, if you look back over the last few years and see sales flattening out, even in the US, it starts to look like the typical 'peak' centred around Apple's biggest sales period.
In the rest of the world, price and lack of innovation do in fact seem to be impacting iPhone performance.
Hmm and what "But but but lack of innovation!" is that? Face ID is innovation. Forehead & chinless is innovation. Having the best SoCs in both many benchmarks and real world usage is innovation. Needing less power-consuming RAM is innovation. Etc...
Your repeated narrative about Apple being out of innovation is pathetic. Talk about wishing hard enough to make something true... When your chinese knockoffs stop copy-catting Apple every year then lets talk.
Doesn't make any sense. According to the forums Apple's greed and lack of innovation is killing their sales.
Yeah, well, what does that tell you about tech blog forums? Tech blog forums are a conglomeration of anonymous posters with axes to grind, mostly negative axes against Apple in particular. Even after 40 years they can’t accept the fact that Apple exists, let alone is successful. The existence of Apple does something to their psyches, a sort of migraine headache of the id.
Yeah it's really bizarre. That Apple affects them in this way is bizarre enough, but that they go out of their way to hang around an Apple site to constantly and routinely tell people why other companies did it first, are more innovative, blah blah, is even more bizarre....at that point it's either a paycheck or an unhealthy condition. I'm not into sports, but I can't imagine going to some rival team's website to tell everybody how much they dislike their team. Nuts.
If you care to look, mostly the situation is the opposite. Something is said that actually isn't true or is only half true and this results in more balanced and accurate viewpoints coming into play. Those viewpoints more often than not carry the weight of supporting links etc have the benefit of coming from people who use both iOS and Android as systems or software that runs on both systems.
Having correct or simply even contrasting information is key to understanding a discussion.
Interesting theory but I've seen your posts enough to see the hogwash. First, if you think you're the only one to use both or multiple platforms, you're delusional. I'm an enterprise Windows developer by day but staunch Mac advocate. Likewise I've had the displeasure of having to help friends & family countless times with their android knockoffs, and the thing that surprises me most if how quickly they go thru different models. Second, you have a remarkable ability to suggest things apply to Apple that somehow do not also apply to the knockoffs (rate of innovation, increasing flagship prices, etc). Third, you also have a penchant for moving the goalposts whenever people call you out on the other crap. You change the measure of success, etc. It's a repeated pattern and quite dull.
Having correct or simply even contrasting information is key to understanding a discussion.
Yeah, you're so good at providing correct information. How could we possibly begin to pretend to understand what's going on in this forum without your valuable input!
Doesn't make any sense. According to the forums Apple's greed and lack of innovation is killing their sales.
Yeah, well, what does that tell you about tech blog forums? Tech blog forums are a conglomeration of anonymous posters with axes to grind, mostly negative axes against Apple in particular. Even after 40 years they can’t accept the fact that Apple exists, let alone is successful. The existence of Apple does something to their psyches, a sort of migraine headache of the id.
Yeah it's really bizarre. That Apple affects them in this way is bizarre enough, but that they go out of their way to hang around an Apple site to constantly and routinely tell people why other companies did it first, are more innovative, blah blah, is even more bizarre....at that point it's either a paycheck or an unhealthy condition. I'm not into sports, but I can't imagine going to some rival team's website to tell everybody how much they dislike their team. Nuts.
If you care to look, mostly the situation is the opposite. Something is said that actually isn't true or is only half true and this results in more balanced and accurate viewpoints coming into play. Those viewpoints more often than not carry the weight of supporting links etc have the benefit of coming from people who use both iOS and Android as systems or software that runs on both systems.
Having correct or simply even contrasting information is key to understanding a discussion.
Note that Huawei still doesn't lead in any region>
If anything Oppo is the builder with the most rapid growth in the segment.
You keep assuming that Huawei would be a good choice for the U.S., but the truth would be that it would takes some of Samsung's share, and very little of Apple's.
Reason is pretty obvious;
272 Apple stores serving decades of loyal U.S. customers.
From your link:
"Growth was driven by new iPhones and launches in a premium segment from Chinese OEMs like Huawei, OPPO, OnePlus."
That was growth in the premium segment, not the general market.
From 2017 to 2018 Apple dropped from 58% to 51% share. Apple is contracting in the premium sector while Chinese brands expand, among them Huawei.
Leading in a region isn't representative of much. Not long ago people here were claiming that Huawei and other Chinese brands would not affect Apple's premium share but simply take away from Samsung.
That was incorrect. Apple is seeing fierce competition in the premium sector and losing share.
Huawei, with national distribution in the US would have a very negative and direct effect on Apple and of course Samsung. National distribution - through a carrier - in the US would have even more negative effects on Apple. Just like it has had a dramatic effect in every other market where it has carrier distribution.
Huawei actually spent a year tuning the Kirin 970 to AT&T's US network, signed a deal with them but AT&T pulled out days before the official announcement due to suspected government pressure.
Doesn't make any sense. According to the forums Apple's greed and lack of innovation is killing their sales.
Yeah, well, what does that tell you about tech blog forums? Tech blog forums are a conglomeration of anonymous posters with axes to grind, mostly negative axes against Apple in particular. Even after 40 years they can’t accept the fact that Apple exists, let alone is successful. The existence of Apple does something to their psyches, a sort of migraine headache of the id.
Yeah it's really bizarre. That Apple affects them in this way is bizarre enough, but that they go out of their way to hang around an Apple site to constantly and routinely tell people why other companies did it first, are more innovative, blah blah, is even more bizarre....at that point it's either a paycheck or an unhealthy condition. I'm not into sports, but I can't imagine going to some rival team's website to tell everybody how much they dislike their team. Nuts.
If you care to look, mostly the situation is the opposite. Something is said that actually isn't true or is only half true and this results in more balanced and accurate viewpoints coming into play. Those viewpoints more often than not carry the weight of supporting links etc have the benefit of coming from people who use both iOS and Android as systems or software that runs on both systems.
Having correct or simply even contrasting information is key to understanding a discussion.
Note that Huawei still doesn't lead in any region>
If anything Oppo is the builder with the most rapid growth in the segment.
You keep assuming that Huawei would be a good choice for the U.S., but the truth would be that it would takes some of Samsung's share, and very little of Apple's.
Reason is pretty obvious;
272 Apple stores serving decades of loyal U.S. customers.
From your link:
"Growth was driven by new iPhones and launches in a premium segment from Chinese OEMs like Huawei, OPPO, OnePlus."
That was growth in the premium segment, not the general market.
From 2017 to 2018 Apple dropped from 58% to 51% share. Apple is contracting in the premium sector while Chinese brands expand, among them Huawei.
Leading in a region isn't representative of much. Not long ago people here were claiming that Huawei and other Chinese brands would not affect Apple's premium share but simply take away from Samsung.
That was incorrect. Apple is seeing fierce competition in the premium sector and losing share.
Huawei, with national distribution in the US would have a very negative and direct effect on Apple and of course Samsung. National distribution - through a carrier - in the US would have even more negative effects on Apple. Just like it has had a dramatic effect in every other market where it has carrier distribution.
Huawei actually spent a year tuning the Kirin 970 to AT&T's US network, signed a deal with them but AT&T pulled out days before the official announcement due to suspected government pressure.
AT&T continues to work with Huawei in Mexico.
I give you data; you spin it; same as it ever was.
Note that for the analysis, anything priced over $400 is considered premium. I'm guessing that Apple is still killing it in the $1000 and up category.
Doesn't make any sense. According to the forums Apple's greed and lack of innovation is killing their sales.
This article is for US sales only and is an estimation. Also, Apple in the US only has competition from Samsung. There is virtually no competition from Chinese manufacturers.
In that context it makes some sense. However, if you look back over the last few years and see sales flattening out, even in the US, it starts to look like the typical 'peak' centred around Apple's biggest sales period.
In the rest of the world, price and lack of innovation do in fact seem to be impacting iPhone performance.
Hmm and what "But but but lack of innovation!" is that? Face ID is innovation. Forehead & chinless is innovation. Having the best SoCs in both many benchmarks and real world usage is innovation. Needing less power-consuming RAM is innovation. Etc...
Your repeated narrative about Apple being out of innovation is pathetic. Talk about wishing hard enough to make something true... When your chinese knockoffs stop copy-catting Apple every year then lets talk.
In 2017 Apple released two phones with huge foreheads and for the first time a third model.
That model had a notch and Face ID. Just weeks later Honor said it was also working on a similar solution that would do more. It demoed the solution at various industry gatherings. In January 2018 Honor said including the solution would push the price up too far and was waiting for the right moment. That moment arrived in 2018 with the Mate 20 Pro but unlike Apple, Huawei went further with the tech and introduced small object 3D modelling. Last year's iPhone refresh used - the same hardware from 2017 -with zero enhancements save for the impact of faster computational aspects. Still no 3D live modelling. It is still limited to simply being another biometric. Something the industry wasn't actually desiring. Perfectly good biometric systems already existed. Face ID is simply another option.
So while the industry rapidly moved to phones with higher screen to body ratios in 2018, Apple was left to market three new phones, two of which looked decidedly dated. The remaining phone cost over a 1,000€ and was seemingly running out of sales steam faster than any other Apple flagship that had come before it.
What people wanted and still want was the innovation in areas that other brands have actually delivered.
- Camera Tech - Battery Tech - Wireless Tech
These are major areas where Apple simply hasn't delivered and is the reason people point out the lack of innovation. It's why an Apple tri-camera setup won't arrive before September 2019 (more than a year and a half after Huawei).
Having a faster SoC that virtually no one notices because flagship speeds have been more than fast enough for years isn't enough innovation and much less innovation where people actually want it. People want to do things with there phones not only do them faster.
Apple is severely lacking in those areas precisely because it has not innovated enough nor in the right places.
The A12 doesn't even have its non-leading modem on the SoC. It doesn't have the fastest wi-fi. Huawei pulled that one off too.
Face ID unlocks your phone securely. So does a fingerprint scanner. It is simply a biometric and fingerprint scanners are secure enough for making payments so clearly it wasn't a solution lacking in security. It was Huawei that began developing further uses for the 3D depth scanners.
The iPhone camera takes photos but is completely lacking in versatility when compared to its flagship competitors. It was Huawei that brought us extra zoom and handheld, long exposure, low light improvements, moving the bar in innovation. Google followed and Huawei moved the bar again on zoom and low light photography while adding a ToF sensor.
I don't have a narrative. To anyone reading this and actually bothering to check out what is available today and on the market, knows how far Apple has to jump forward this year just to catch up.
So when people say Apple is not innovating, there are big clear reasons for it. If you are unable to accept it because you spewed your 'knock-off' lines for so long and now see Apple users wishing for features that are already available on Chinese 'knock-off' phones, it is something you will have to live with.
I used to think that he was Spanish. Now I think that he is Mainland Chinese, studying in Spain.
I guess it doesn't matter.
He can't wrap his head around the fact that the entire smartphone market is mature, and until some massive consolidation, there won't be near as much profit in all of the Android OS devices vs iOS. More to the point, Apple has already moved into a declining iPhone market, and has huge advantages in health and wearables.
Android is popular with financially challenged people and Android does well especially in third world countries, for obvious reasons.
I also have a theory for why so many Android devices get sold, besides many of them being dirt cheap. It's simple, they don't last that long and they need to be replaced much more often.
Buying an Android phone is like buying a pair of socks.
People use iOS devices for many, many years, while they still get the latest updates and their devices function well for a very long time. My mom still has an iPad 2 from 2011 that she uses to FaceTime with and it still works fine, though I might surprise her with a new iPad mini 5 sometime soon. Most Android phones are obsolete as soon as they are bought, and the clock is quickly ticking down until they need to be replaced with yet another cheap garbage Android phone.
The lifespan of iOS devices are much greater than the lifespans of an Android device. It's like comparing the lifespan of an average human living in 2019 compared to the lifespan of some dude living in the Middle Ages.
iOS devices lead much more productive and happy, meaningful lives. Android devices lead a miserable existence, and face a cruel and hasty death.
Here’s an idea for DED or Neil Cybart over at Above Avalon. Create a chart showing the number of active iOS devices versus the number of active Android devices over the years. Android, of course, is a multiple, but not a big multiple. Maybe 2x, which is interesting to contrast against sales, for which Android is typically at least 4x iPhones. This chart, contrasting active devices (installed base) against sales volumes, would show the steady increase in percentage of total active smartphones represented by iOS, as these last longer, outweighing the much bigger sales volume of Android.
Then I’d like to see layered onto this chart the estimated total resale value of each installed base. I’m betting years ago, with a much smaller iOS installed base, iOS’ installed base total resale value surpassed the total resale value of the Android installed base. And never looked back.
If others truly read the AI comment section, then I would expect someone to tackle this intriguing comparison.
What would be your reliable source for determining that so the charts could be assembled.
Android is popular with financially challenged people and Android does well especially in third world countries, for obvious reasons.
I also have a theory for why so many Android devices get sold, besides many of them being dirt cheap. It's simple, they don't last that long and they need to be replaced much more often.
Buying an Android phone is like buying a pair of socks.
People use iOS devices for many, many years, while they still get the latest updates and their devices function well for a very long time. My mom still has an iPad 2 from 2011 that she uses to FaceTime with and it still works fine, though I might surprise her with a new iPad mini 5 sometime soon. Most Android phones are obsolete as soon as they are bought, and the clock is quickly ticking down until they need to be replaced with yet another cheap garbage Android phone.
The lifespan of iOS devices are much greater than the lifespans of an Android device. It's like comparing the lifespan of an average human living in 2019 compared to the lifespan of some dude living in the Middle Ages.
iOS devices lead much more productive and happy, meaningful lives. Android devices lead a miserable existence, and face a cruel and hasty death.
Here’s an idea for DED or Neil Cybart over at Above Avalon. Create a chart showing the number of active iOS devices versus the number of active Android devices over the years. Android, of course, is a multiple, but not a big multiple. Maybe 2x, which is interesting to contrast against sales, for which Android is typically at least 4x iPhones. This chart, contrasting active devices (installed base) against sales volumes, would show the steady increase in percentage of total active smartphones represented by iOS, as these last longer, outweighing the much bigger sales volume of Android.
Then I’d like to see layered onto this chart the estimated total resale value of each installed base. I’m betting years ago, with a much smaller iOS installed base, iOS’ installed base total resale value surpassed the total resale value of the Android installed base. And never looked back.
If others truly read the AI comment section, then I would expect someone to tackle this intriguing comparison.
What would be your reliable source for determining that so the charts could be assembled.
The numbers I have seem posted are;
(2017) Google Android 2 billion Google services 1 Billion (2018) iPhone 900 Million
Android is popular with financially challenged people and Android does well especially in third world countries, for obvious reasons.
I also have a theory for why so many Android devices get sold, besides many of them being dirt cheap. It's simple, they don't last that long and they need to be replaced much more often.
Buying an Android phone is like buying a pair of socks.
People use iOS devices for many, many years, while they still get the latest updates and their devices function well for a very long time. My mom still has an iPad 2 from 2011 that she uses to FaceTime with and it still works fine, though I might surprise her with a new iPad mini 5 sometime soon. Most Android phones are obsolete as soon as they are bought, and the clock is quickly ticking down until they need to be replaced with yet another cheap garbage Android phone.
The lifespan of iOS devices are much greater than the lifespans of an Android device. It's like comparing the lifespan of an average human living in 2019 compared to the lifespan of some dude living in the Middle Ages.
iOS devices lead much more productive and happy, meaningful lives. Android devices lead a miserable existence, and face a cruel and hasty death.
Here’s an idea for DED or Neil Cybart over at Above Avalon. Create a chart showing the number of active iOS devices versus the number of active Android devices over the years. Android, of course, is a multiple, but not a big multiple. Maybe 2x, which is interesting to contrast against sales, for which Android is typically at least 4x iPhones. This chart, contrasting active devices (installed base) against sales volumes, would show the steady increase in percentage of total active smartphones represented by iOS, as these last longer, outweighing the much bigger sales volume of Android.
Then I’d like to see layered onto this chart the estimated total resale value of each installed base. I’m betting years ago, with a much smaller iOS installed base, iOS’ installed base total resale value surpassed the total resale value of the Android installed base. And never looked back.
If others truly read the AI comment section, then I would expect someone to tackle this intriguing comparison.
What would be your reliable source for determining that so the charts could be assembled.
The numbers I have seem posted are;
(2017) Google Android 2 billion Google services 1 Billion (2018) iPhone 900 Million
YMMV
Hmmm... I think he was asking for a "source," but never mind...
Android is popular with financially challenged people and Android does well especially in third world countries, for obvious reasons.
I also have a theory for why so many Android devices get sold, besides many of them being dirt cheap. It's simple, they don't last that long and they need to be replaced much more often.
Buying an Android phone is like buying a pair of socks.
People use iOS devices for many, many years, while they still get the latest updates and their devices function well for a very long time. My mom still has an iPad 2 from 2011 that she uses to FaceTime with and it still works fine, though I might surprise her with a new iPad mini 5 sometime soon. Most Android phones are obsolete as soon as they are bought, and the clock is quickly ticking down until they need to be replaced with yet another cheap garbage Android phone.
The lifespan of iOS devices are much greater than the lifespans of an Android device. It's like comparing the lifespan of an average human living in 2019 compared to the lifespan of some dude living in the Middle Ages.
iOS devices lead much more productive and happy, meaningful lives. Android devices lead a miserable existence, and face a cruel and hasty death.
Here’s an idea for DED or Neil Cybart over at Above Avalon. Create a chart showing the number of active iOS devices versus the number of active Android devices over the years. Android, of course, is a multiple, but not a big multiple. Maybe 2x, which is interesting to contrast against sales, for which Android is typically at least 4x iPhones. This chart, contrasting active devices (installed base) against sales volumes, would show the steady increase in percentage of total active smartphones represented by iOS, as these last longer, outweighing the much bigger sales volume of Android.
Then I’d like to see layered onto this chart the estimated total resale value of each installed base. I’m betting years ago, with a much smaller iOS installed base, iOS’ installed base total resale value surpassed the total resale value of the Android installed base. And never looked back.
If others truly read the AI comment section, then I would expect someone to tackle this intriguing comparison.
What would be your reliable source for determining that so the charts could be assembled.
The numbers I have seem posted are;
(2017) Google Android 2 billion Google services 1 Billion (2018) iPhone 900 Million
YMMV
Hmmm... I think he was asking for a "source," but never mind...
He was, but there is already some compiled date available. It's a start.
I'm sure I can retrace to the sources, but it doesn't change the reliability of the data, which is sketchy.
BTW, Asymco.com, Horace Dediu, like has the best data for iOS users, but I don't know if he breaks out iPhones specifically.
Android is popular with financially challenged people and Android does well especially in third world countries, for obvious reasons.
I also have a theory for why so many Android devices get sold, besides many of them being dirt cheap. It's simple, they don't last that long and they need to be replaced much more often.
Buying an Android phone is like buying a pair of socks.
People use iOS devices for many, many years, while they still get the latest updates and their devices function well for a very long time. My mom still has an iPad 2 from 2011 that she uses to FaceTime with and it still works fine, though I might surprise her with a new iPad mini 5 sometime soon. Most Android phones are obsolete as soon as they are bought, and the clock is quickly ticking down until they need to be replaced with yet another cheap garbage Android phone.
The lifespan of iOS devices are much greater than the lifespans of an Android device. It's like comparing the lifespan of an average human living in 2019 compared to the lifespan of some dude living in the Middle Ages.
iOS devices lead much more productive and happy, meaningful lives. Android devices lead a miserable existence, and face a cruel and hasty death.
Here’s an idea for DED or Neil Cybart over at Above Avalon. Create a chart showing the number of active iOS devices versus the number of active Android devices over the years. Android, of course, is a multiple, but not a big multiple. Maybe 2x, which is interesting to contrast against sales, for which Android is typically at least 4x iPhones. This chart, contrasting active devices (installed base) against sales volumes, would show the steady increase in percentage of total active smartphones represented by iOS, as these last longer, outweighing the much bigger sales volume of Android.
Then I’d like to see layered onto this chart the estimated total resale value of each installed base. I’m betting years ago, with a much smaller iOS installed base, iOS’ installed base total resale value surpassed the total resale value of the Android installed base. And never looked back.
If others truly read the AI comment section, then I would expect someone to tackle this intriguing comparison.
What would be your reliable source for determining that so the charts could be assembled.
The numbers I have seem posted are;
(2017) Google Android 2 billion Google services 1 Billion (2018) iPhone 900 Million
YMMV
Hmmm... I think he was asking for a "source," but never mind...
I was. If the underlying data is less than reliable so will be the charts. It all becomes very analyst-like and I know how they're perceived here.
Android is popular with financially challenged people and Android does well especially in third world countries, for obvious reasons.
I also have a theory for why so many Android devices get sold, besides many of them being dirt cheap. It's simple, they don't last that long and they need to be replaced much more often.
Buying an Android phone is like buying a pair of socks.
People use iOS devices for many, many years, while they still get the latest updates and their devices function well for a very long time. My mom still has an iPad 2 from 2011 that she uses to FaceTime with and it still works fine, though I might surprise her with a new iPad mini 5 sometime soon. Most Android phones are obsolete as soon as they are bought, and the clock is quickly ticking down until they need to be replaced with yet another cheap garbage Android phone.
The lifespan of iOS devices are much greater than the lifespans of an Android device. It's like comparing the lifespan of an average human living in 2019 compared to the lifespan of some dude living in the Middle Ages.
iOS devices lead much more productive and happy, meaningful lives. Android devices lead a miserable existence, and face a cruel and hasty death.
Here’s an idea for DED or Neil Cybart over at Above Avalon. Create a chart showing the number of active iOS devices versus the number of active Android devices over the years. Android, of course, is a multiple, but not a big multiple. Maybe 2x, which is interesting to contrast against sales, for which Android is typically at least 4x iPhones. This chart, contrasting active devices (installed base) against sales volumes, would show the steady increase in percentage of total active smartphones represented by iOS, as these last longer, outweighing the much bigger sales volume of Android.
Then I’d like to see layered onto this chart the estimated total resale value of each installed base. I’m betting years ago, with a much smaller iOS installed base, iOS’ installed base total resale value surpassed the total resale value of the Android installed base. And never looked back.
If others truly read the AI comment section, then I would expect someone to tackle this intriguing comparison.
What would be your reliable source for determining that so the charts could be assembled.
The numbers I have seem posted are;
(2017) Google Android 2 billion Google services 1 Billion (2018) iPhone 900 Million
YMMV
Hmmm... I think he was asking for a "source," but never mind...
I was. If the underlying data is less than reliable so will be the charts. It all becomes very analyst-like and I know how they're perceived here.
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I'll give you a good example of this ignorance. I have a friend who's an Android fanboy, and asked him where Android has an edge over Apple. Here was his list:
1.Google Assistant hands down the best assistant on the market
2. foldable devices- utilizing brand new foldable screen technology that Apple will adopt in a few years after the fact
3. In display fingerprint readers- allowing for near bezel-less screens and ditching the notch which everybody hates
4. Multiple focal length cameras, allowing users the ability to take a wider range of shots
My friend doesn't even realize you can get Google Assistant on iOS nor does he realize that Apple is supposed to put 3 cameras on some of their phones this year. (I'll leave it up to others to evaluate how bad the other 2 examples are.)
In that context it makes some sense. However, if you look back over the last few years and see sales flattening out, even in the US, it starts to look like the typical 'peak' centred around Apple's biggest sales period.
In the rest of the world, price and lack of innovation do in fact seem to be impacting iPhone performance.
After the RoHS directive, the impact was felt worldwide as manufacturers used the changes imposed by the EU directive in all their products independently of the destination it will be sold.
On top of that, many non-EU countries have similar systems.
Many Android phones have years of value in them. I have no idea where you got that idea from. Even after they stop receiving official OS updates, applications continue to receive updates (including security improvements).
Having correct or simply even contrasting information is key to understanding a discussion.
https://www.counterpointresearch.com/apple-maintains-lead-premium-smartphone-segment-oneplus-enters-top-five-brands-first-time-2018/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletterapril18-19
Note that Huawei still doesn't lead in any region>
If anything Oppo is the builder with the most rapid growth in the segment.
You keep assuming that Huawei would be a good choice for the U.S., but the truth would be that it would takes some of Samsung's share, and very little of Apple's.
Reason is pretty obvious;
272 Apple stores serving decades of loyal U.S. customers.
Your repeated narrative about Apple being out of innovation is pathetic. Talk about wishing hard enough to make something true... When your chinese knockoffs stop copy-catting Apple every year then lets talk.
Interesting theory but I've seen your posts enough to see the hogwash. First, if you think you're the only one to use both or multiple platforms, you're delusional. I'm an enterprise Windows developer by day but staunch Mac advocate. Likewise I've had the displeasure of having to help friends & family countless times with their android knockoffs, and the thing that surprises me most if how quickly they go thru different models. Second, you have a remarkable ability to suggest things apply to Apple that somehow do not also apply to the knockoffs (rate of innovation, increasing flagship prices, etc). Third, you also have a penchant for moving the goalposts whenever people call you out on the other crap. You change the measure of success, etc. It's a repeated pattern and quite dull.
"Growth was driven by new iPhones and launches in a premium segment from Chinese OEMs like Huawei, OPPO, OnePlus."
That was growth in the premium segment, not the general market.
From 2017 to 2018 Apple dropped from 58% to 51% share. Apple is contracting in the premium sector while Chinese brands expand, among them Huawei.
Leading in a region isn't representative of much. Not long ago people here were claiming that Huawei and other Chinese brands would not affect Apple's premium share but simply take away from Samsung.
That was incorrect. Apple is seeing fierce competition in the premium sector and losing share.
Huawei, with national distribution in the US would have a very negative and direct effect on Apple and of course Samsung. National distribution - through a carrier - in the US would have even more negative effects on Apple. Just like it has had a dramatic effect in every other market where it has carrier distribution.
Huawei actually spent a year tuning the Kirin 970 to AT&T's US network, signed a deal with them but AT&T pulled out days before the official announcement due to suspected government pressure.
AT&T continues to work with Huawei in Mexico.
Note that for the analysis, anything priced over $400 is considered premium. I'm guessing that Apple is still killing it in the $1000 and up category.
That model had a notch and Face ID. Just weeks later Honor said it was also working on a similar solution that would do more. It demoed the solution at various industry gatherings. In January 2018 Honor said including the solution would push the price up too far and was waiting for the right moment. That moment arrived in 2018 with the Mate 20 Pro but unlike Apple, Huawei went further with the tech and introduced small object 3D modelling. Last year's iPhone refresh used - the same hardware from 2017 -with zero enhancements save for the impact of faster computational aspects. Still no 3D live modelling. It is still limited to simply being another biometric. Something the industry wasn't actually desiring. Perfectly good biometric systems already existed. Face ID is simply another option.
So while the industry rapidly moved to phones with higher screen to body ratios in 2018, Apple was left to market three new phones, two of which looked decidedly dated. The remaining phone cost over a 1,000€ and was seemingly running out of sales steam faster than any other Apple flagship that had come before it.
What people wanted and still want was the innovation in areas that other brands have actually delivered.
- Camera Tech
- Battery Tech
- Wireless Tech
These are major areas where Apple simply hasn't delivered and is the reason people point out the lack of innovation. It's why an Apple tri-camera setup won't arrive before September 2019 (more than a year and a half after Huawei).
Having a faster SoC that virtually no one notices because flagship speeds have been more than fast enough for years isn't enough innovation and much less innovation where people actually want it. People want to do things with there phones not only do them faster.
Apple is severely lacking in those areas precisely because it has not innovated enough nor in the right places.
The A12 doesn't even have its non-leading modem on the SoC. It doesn't have the fastest wi-fi. Huawei pulled that one off too.
Face ID unlocks your phone securely. So does a fingerprint scanner. It is simply a biometric and fingerprint scanners are secure enough for making payments so clearly it wasn't a solution lacking in security. It was Huawei that began developing further uses for the 3D depth scanners.
The iPhone camera takes photos but is completely lacking in versatility when compared to its flagship competitors. It was Huawei that brought us extra zoom and handheld, long exposure, low light improvements, moving the bar in innovation. Google followed and Huawei moved the bar again on zoom and low light photography while adding a ToF sensor.
I don't have a narrative. To anyone reading this and actually bothering to check out what is available today and on the market, knows how far Apple has to jump forward this year just to catch up.
So when people say Apple is not innovating, there are big clear reasons for it. If you are unable to accept it because you spewed your 'knock-off' lines for so long and now see Apple users wishing for features that are already available on Chinese 'knock-off' phones, it is something you will have to live with.
Don't feed the troll.
I guess it doesn't matter.
He can't wrap his head around the fact that the entire smartphone market is mature, and until some massive consolidation, there won't be near as much profit in all of the Android OS devices vs iOS. More to the point, Apple has already moved into a declining iPhone market, and has huge advantages in health and wearables.
(2017) Google Android 2 billion
Google services 1 Billion
(2018) iPhone 900 Million
YMMV
I'm sure I can retrace to the sources, but it doesn't change the reliability of the data, which is sketchy.
BTW, Asymco.com, Horace Dediu, like has the best data for iOS users, but I don't know if he breaks out iPhones specifically.
http://www.asymco.com/2019/01/30/a-billion-users/