Hands on with the Google Pixel 3a XL - performance from 2016 with a 2019 camera

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  • Reply 21 of 31
    clarker99clarker99 Posts: 230member
    avon b7 said:

    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    As per usual folks pop up and cleary dont get that Apple doesnt need a ‘new’ mid-range device every year. Apple maintains higher prices at the premium end to prop up its amazing gray market. People fundamentally do not understand Apple’s pricing strategy. It is all about maintaining brand/price integrity. Apple’s trade in program is also about controlling the gray market prices. If Apple wants to give $250 for an iPhone 6s trade-in it sets a floor for 2nd hand iPhone value. Why sell it for less if Apple will give $250. 

    Meanwhile, the iOS install base continues to grow.
    Three years of stagnant growth. Two consecutive YoY, double digit drops in iPhone shipments. Iterative upgrades. Price increases. Drop off in satisfaction at Apple Retail. Fierce competition.
    Every time somebody says “But but but these are iterative improvements!” it immediately flags them as someone ignorant to how Apple rolls. Iterative product development is the name of their game. Gruber wrote about this almost a decade ago. Read up.


    ...doing this consistently is how you have something amazingly better years later. Iteration.

    I know. We all know how Apple rolls.

    That doesn't change anything and isn't even the point.

    The fact is Apple is behind in most of the key smartphone areas - as a result - of how it rolls.

    Perhaps (and only perhaps) from a business/investor perspective, it can be understood - even after three years of stagnant iPhone sales.

    However, from a consumer perspective, Apple simply isn't doing enough to reach the front runners. Yes, because of the way it rolls, if you please, but that is irrelevant. Now, with each major Android flagship presentation, the latest iPhones get thrown up on screen to show how poorly they do in certain areas. Even the lowly Pixel 3a got in on the act at its presentation.

    Two consecutive quarters of YoY decline have sent alarm bells ringing.

    Falling even further behind is not an option so expect at least an effort (plus price drops) come this September.

    IMO, it's time for Apple to change how it rolls.

    In fact Apple did actually begin that change in 2017. Now it is time to tackle that iterative angle.


    Falling behind? Haha. Jeez, there is a subjective opinion if I have ever heard one. Meanwhile everyone copies them.   A12, Apple Watch, AirPods, etc. Terribly behind? Complete rubbish. The camera is the only thing to make an argument about and then Apple will address that and then what.  I use a XS Max and the camera is awesome and video recording top of class. The idea that iPhone is so far behind is complete BS. I can hear your response now, ‘ but fast charge and reverse charge’ and a bunch of other things no cares about.  5G blah. Apple addresses things on there own schedule.  Apple isnt changing there plans bc Google release a mid range phone or bc Huawei releases the P30. You’re living in fantasyland, mate. They planned the 2019 phone 2yrs ago. 

    Now I also need to know how exactly you would change how Apple rolls? Enlighten us. Lower prices? Wonderful. 
    tmaywatto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 31
    clarker99clarker99 Posts: 230member
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    As per usual folks pop up and cleary dont get that Apple doesnt need a ‘new’ mid-range device every year. Apple maintains higher prices at the premium end to prop up its amazing gray market. People fundamentally do not understand Apple’s pricing strategy. It is all about maintaining brand/price integrity. Apple’s trade in program is also about controlling the gray market prices. If Apple wants to give $250 for an iPhone 6s trade-in it sets a floor for 2nd hand iPhone value. Why sell it for less if Apple will give $250. 

    Meanwhile, the iOS install base continues to grow.
    We understand.

    However, It's not what Apple wants. It's what consumers want. 

    The problem:

    Three years of stagnant growth. Two consecutive YoY, double digit drops in iPhone shipments. Iterative upgrades. Price increases. Drop off in satisfaction at Apple Retail. Fierce competition.

    The solution?:

    Price adjustments
    Competitive hardware
    Retail improvements
    Business model changes

    That last point began to shape in 2017. The 'limited period' increased trade-in value from 2018 (a last-minute emergency measure) is still applicable over five months later. For 2019 I expect further changes.


    Remove China from the numbers and everything is fine.  But keep up the narrative that Apple doesnt know what its doing ߙ䦬t;br>
    If I removed China everything wouldn't be fine. First, the markets would throw a wobbly on Apple, the likes of which you have never seen. Second. That last minute extended and increased trade in value isn't only applicable in China. That tells us the slowdown might have worse been in China but definitely wasn't limited to China.

    The narrative that Apple doesn't know what it's doing doesn't exist. Tim Cook went on record as saying they miscalculated.

    Apple took the risks but knew them 




    sigh. It was largely China. That is well known and Tim acknowledged things got better at the end of the quarter.They are adding users, which really is the neglected narrative. Which means  people are buying iPhones.  Apple doesnt care if they are new models, gray market or hand me down otherwise they would sell cheaper ‘new’ phones. People just dont get it.  

    Apple is not going to lower their prices in USA or other wealthier countries. Price is not the problem. If it was, Apple would have been dead years ago.


    What do you think 'things got better' means?

    That things are back to normal? No. Even while 'getting better' things were still bad.

    That's why Apple's special, time limited, steep trade in offers are still in place and still on Apple's front page.


    The install base is growing! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Big picture. Things are fine.
    tmaywatto_cobra
  • Reply 23 of 31
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,340member
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    As per usual folks pop up and cleary dont get that Apple doesnt need a ‘new’ mid-range device every year. Apple maintains higher prices at the premium end to prop up its amazing gray market. People fundamentally do not understand Apple’s pricing strategy. It is all about maintaining brand/price integrity. Apple’s trade in program is also about controlling the gray market prices. If Apple wants to give $250 for an iPhone 6s trade-in it sets a floor for 2nd hand iPhone value. Why sell it for less if Apple will give $250. 

    Meanwhile, the iOS install base continues to grow.
    We understand.

    However, It's not what Apple wants. It's what consumers want. 

    The problem:

    Three years of stagnant growth. Two consecutive YoY, double digit drops in iPhone shipments. Iterative upgrades. Price increases. Drop off in satisfaction at Apple Retail. Fierce competition.

    The solution?:

    Price adjustments
    Competitive hardware
    Retail improvements
    Business model changes

    That last point began to shape in 2017. The 'limited period' increased trade-in value from 2018 (a last-minute emergency measure) is still applicable over five months later. For 2019 I expect further changes.


    Remove China from the numbers and everything is fine.  But keep up the narrative that Apple doesnt know what its doing ߙ䦬t;br>
    If I removed China everything wouldn't be fine. First, the markets would throw a wobbly on Apple, the likes of which you have never seen. Second. That last minute extended and increased trade in value isn't only applicable in China. That tells us the slowdown might have worse been in China but definitely wasn't limited to China.

    The narrative that Apple doesn't know what it's doing doesn't exist. Tim Cook went on record as saying they miscalculated.

    Apple took the risks but knew them 




    sigh. It was largely China. That is well known and Tim acknowledged things got better at the end of the quarter.They are adding users, which really is the neglected narrative. Which means  people are buying iPhones.  Apple doesnt care if they are new models, gray market or hand me down otherwise they would sell cheaper ‘new’ phones. People just dont get it.  

    Apple is not going to lower their prices in USA or other wealthier countries. Price is not the problem. If it was, Apple would have been dead years ago.


    What do you think 'things got better' means?

    That things are back to normal? No. Even while 'getting better' things were still bad.

    That's why Apple's special, time limited, steep trade in offers are still in place and still on Apple's front page.


    You seem unaware that Apple generates revenue from these trades, reselling them to, as an example, carriers, where I was able to buy an iPhone 8 for $349, which benchmarks notably better than the Pixel 3a. All that and Apple's ecosystem.

    Now that's a great deal for consumers.

    Ever hear of THAAD? 

    Terminal High Altitude Area Defense. It's an anti-ballistic missle system that the U.S. placed in Korea some two years ago. The Chinese Government is so pisssed that they basically have shut down substantial trade with South Korea, which is certainly part of the reason that Samsung has lost so many sales in China.

    All because the radar system of THAAD can see into China during missle tests. China is known for violating WTO rules when it is convenient to punish a country, the smaller the more likely.

    Huawei, Huawei, Huawei, resonates in your head, 

    Sad.
    edited May 2019 clarker99watto_cobra
  • Reply 24 of 31
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,304member
    I certainly predict this will do better than the Pixel 3 -- hey, they might even double those sales, and sell **TWO** million of them! I would caution people who are interested in it (and don't mind that it's kinda slow by comparison to Apple's iPhone X and later) -- don't count on long support life or more than one update to Android. Mid-range phones are priced that way for a reason, and it's not just because they're made of plastic.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 31
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,304member
    gatorguy said:
    It may or may not continue to get updates for yet another four years like the these Pixel's but for the price who cares?
    Just for the record: the original Pixel lost its repair support after just shy of two years. The Pixel 2/2XL is scheduled for three years, and likewise the Pixel 3/3XL. Those are the premium phones. So "four years" of repair support or software support for a budget phone is incredibly unlikely, but if it does well you may get two more Android versions beyond whatever it ships with (which in itself would be novel for most Android phones).
    edited May 2019 watto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 31
    FatmanFatman Posts: 513member
    The only impressive thing about these phones is OLED at such a low price point. The take away is that Apple must go all OLED for all future phones (until microLED is ready for prime time). A $649 XR with OLED and new proc & camera? That would get me to upgrade.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 31
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    chasm said:
    gatorguy said:
    It may or may not continue to get updates for yet another four years like the these Pixel's but for the price who cares?
    Just for the record: the original Pixel lost its repair support after just shy of two years. The Pixel 2/2XL is scheduled for three years, and likewise the Pixel 3/3XL. Those are the premium phones. So "four years" of repair support or software support for a budget phone is incredibly unlikely, but if it does well you may get two more Android versions beyond whatever it ships with (which in itself would be novel for most Android phones).
    Odd then that my OG Pixel was repaired last month by the official Google repair facility. Perhaps you mean the warranty expired after 2 years because obviously they have repair support. How long is the warranty on your iPhone if you don't pay a couple hundred extra (or more) for an extended one? Warranty periods don't sound like they should be a bone of contention.
  • Reply 28 of 31
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,693member
    clarker99 said:
    avon b7 said:

    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    As per usual folks pop up and cleary dont get that Apple doesnt need a ‘new’ mid-range device every year. Apple maintains higher prices at the premium end to prop up its amazing gray market. People fundamentally do not understand Apple’s pricing strategy. It is all about maintaining brand/price integrity. Apple’s trade in program is also about controlling the gray market prices. If Apple wants to give $250 for an iPhone 6s trade-in it sets a floor for 2nd hand iPhone value. Why sell it for less if Apple will give $250. 

    Meanwhile, the iOS install base continues to grow.
    Three years of stagnant growth. Two consecutive YoY, double digit drops in iPhone shipments. Iterative upgrades. Price increases. Drop off in satisfaction at Apple Retail. Fierce competition.
    Every time somebody says “But but but these are iterative improvements!” it immediately flags them as someone ignorant to how Apple rolls. Iterative product development is the name of their game. Gruber wrote about this almost a decade ago. Read up.


    ...doing this consistently is how you have something amazingly better years later. Iteration.

    I know. We all know how Apple rolls.

    That doesn't change anything and isn't even the point.

    The fact is Apple is behind in most of the key smartphone areas - as a result - of how it rolls.

    Perhaps (and only perhaps) from a business/investor perspective, it can be understood - even after three years of stagnant iPhone sales.

    However, from a consumer perspective, Apple simply isn't doing enough to reach the front runners. Yes, because of the way it rolls, if you please, but that is irrelevant. Now, with each major Android flagship presentation, the latest iPhones get thrown up on screen to show how poorly they do in certain areas. Even the lowly Pixel 3a got in on the act at its presentation.

    Two consecutive quarters of YoY decline have sent alarm bells ringing.

    Falling even further behind is not an option so expect at least an effort (plus price drops) come this September.

    IMO, it's time for Apple to change how it rolls.

    In fact Apple did actually begin that change in 2017. Now it is time to tackle that iterative angle.


    Falling behind? Haha. Jeez, there is a subjective opinion if I have ever heard one. Meanwhile everyone copies them.   A12, Apple Watch, AirPods, etc. Terribly behind? Complete rubbish. The camera is the only thing to make an argument about and then Apple will address that and then what.  I use a XS Max and the camera is awesome and video recording top of class. The idea that iPhone is so far behind is complete BS. I can hear your response now, ‘ but fast charge and reverse charge’ and a bunch of other things no cares about.  5G blah. Apple addresses things on there own schedule.  Apple isnt changing there plans bc Google release a mid range phone or bc Huawei releases the P30. You’re living in fantasyland, mate. They planned the 2019 phone 2yrs ago. 

    Now I also need to know how exactly you would change how Apple rolls? Enlighten us. Lower prices? Wonderful. 
    Falling behind, yes.

     When you are talking about iPhone and someone points to Samsung, Apple Watch, AirPods etc you know they are scrambling for a defence.

    Yes the iPhone XS has an awesome camera. No one said otherwise.

    However, 2019 is about camera versatility. Cameras have been taking great images for years. Even mid range cameras. I gave you an example of that: The lowly Pixel 3a was compared directly with Apple's latest iPhone for low light photography and was far better.

    Apple has been stuck at x2 zoom for years. The P20 Pro had x3 over a year ago. The P30 Pro goes to x5 (or x10 hybrid lossless). x50 in digital zoom. Apple cannot cut it with low light situations. The P20 Pro could take AI assisted, long (up to 6 seconds) handheld night shots. The P30 Pro can get the same results with a simple point a shoot action. The Huawei's have multiple cameras to achieve that versatility. Including macro photography.

    The batteries on iPhones are way behind what Huawei is offering. That is the single most important aspect of a phone. Even that lowly Pixel 3a is promising 7 hours of use on just a 15 minute charge.

    '5G blah!' Blah for you, but as I said, Apple is behind. Come Christmas, when the 5G marketing macine goes into overdrive around the world you will repeat your 'blah!' but that won't change anything. If sales don't pick up (it depends on what the refresh brings) you will claim people are simply delaying their upgrades until QC's modem appears on an iPhone. Because Apple, unlike QC, Samsung and Huawei (which represent more than two thirds of the market) doesn't have its own modem. Even its current LTE modems are not up to the competition. The same with Wi-Fi. 

    Way back in 2017 Huawei was pitting it's signal transmission and reception chops directly against Apple. It shouldn't be surprising that Huawei can stand out in this field.

    The list goes on: true dual SIM, dual frequency GPS, expandable storage, better storage and better charging options out of the box, better shell design, 3D live modelling, dual video, wireless and wired reverse charging, wired and wireless desktop modes etc.

    Apple is behind. Trying to argue otherwise is denying reality.
    edited May 2019
  • Reply 29 of 31
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,861administrator
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    avon b7 said:

    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    As per usual folks pop up and cleary dont get that Apple doesnt need a ‘new’ mid-range device every year. Apple maintains higher prices at the premium end to prop up its amazing gray market. People fundamentally do not understand Apple’s pricing strategy. It is all about maintaining brand/price integrity. Apple’s trade in program is also about controlling the gray market prices. If Apple wants to give $250 for an iPhone 6s trade-in it sets a floor for 2nd hand iPhone value. Why sell it for less if Apple will give $250. 

    Meanwhile, the iOS install base continues to grow.
    Three years of stagnant growth. Two consecutive YoY, double digit drops in iPhone shipments. Iterative upgrades. Price increases. Drop off in satisfaction at Apple Retail. Fierce competition.
    Every time somebody says “But but but these are iterative improvements!” it immediately flags them as someone ignorant to how Apple rolls. Iterative product development is the name of their game. Gruber wrote about this almost a decade ago. Read up.


    ...doing this consistently is how you have something amazingly better years later. Iteration.

    I know. We all know how Apple rolls.

    That doesn't change anything and isn't even the point.

    The fact is Apple is behind in most of the key smartphone areas - as a result - of how it rolls.

    Perhaps (and only perhaps) from a business/investor perspective, it can be understood - even after three years of stagnant iPhone sales.

    However, from a consumer perspective, Apple simply isn't doing enough to reach the front runners. Yes, because of the way it rolls, if you please, but that is irrelevant. Now, with each major Android flagship presentation, the latest iPhones get thrown up on screen to show how poorly they do in certain areas. Even the lowly Pixel 3a got in on the act at its presentation.

    Two consecutive quarters of YoY decline have sent alarm bells ringing.

    Falling even further behind is not an option so expect at least an effort (plus price drops) come this September.

    IMO, it's time for Apple to change how it rolls.

    In fact Apple did actually begin that change in 2017. Now it is time to tackle that iterative angle.


    Falling behind? Haha. Jeez, there is a subjective opinion if I have ever heard one. Meanwhile everyone copies them.   A12, Apple Watch, AirPods, etc. Terribly behind? Complete rubbish. The camera is the only thing to make an argument about and then Apple will address that and then what.  I use a XS Max and the camera is awesome and video recording top of class. The idea that iPhone is so far behind is complete BS. I can hear your response now, ‘ but fast charge and reverse charge’ and a bunch of other things no cares about.  5G blah. Apple addresses things on there own schedule.  Apple isnt changing there plans bc Google release a mid range phone or bc Huawei releases the P30. You’re living in fantasyland, mate. They planned the 2019 phone 2yrs ago. 

    Now I also need to know how exactly you would change how Apple rolls? Enlighten us. Lower prices? Wonderful. 
    Falling behind, yes.

     When you are talking about iPhone and someone points to Samsung, Apple Watch, AirPods etc you know they are scrambling for a defence.

    Yes the iPhone XS has an awesome camera. No one said otherwise.

    However, 2019 is about camera versatility. Cameras have been taking great images for years. Even mid range cameras. I gave you an example of that: The lowly Pixel 3a was compared directly with Apple's latest iPhone for low light photography and was far better.

    Apple has been stuck at x2 zoom for years. The P20 Pro had x3 over a year ago. The P30 Pro goes to x5 (or x10 hybrid lossless). x50 in digital zoom. Apple cannot cut it with low light situations. The P20 Pro could take AI assisted, long (up to 6 seconds) handheld night shots. The P30 Pro can get the same results with a simple point a shoot action. The Huawei's have multiple cameras to achieve that versatility. Including macro photography.

    The batteries on iPhones are way behind what Huawei is offering. That is the single most important aspect of a phone. Even that lowly Pixel 3a is promising 7 hours of use on just a 15 minute charge.

    '5G blah!' Blah for you, but as I said, Apple is behind. Come Christmas, when the 5G marketing macine goes into overdrive around the world you will repeat your 'blah!' but that won't change anything. If sales don't pick up (it depends on what the refresh brings) you will claim people are simply delaying their upgrades until QC's modem appears on an iPhone. Because Apple, unlike QC, Samsung and Huawei (which represent more than two thirds of the market) doesn't have its own modem. Even its current LTE modems are not up to the competition. The same with Wi-Fi. 

    Way back in 2017 Huawei was pitting it's signal transmission and reception chops directly against Apple. It shouldn't be surprising that Huawei can stand out in this field.

    The list goes on: true dual SIM, dual frequency GPS, expandable storage, better storage and better charging options out of the box, better shell design, 3D live modelling, dual video, wireless and wired reverse charging, wired and wireless desktop modes etc.

    Apple is behind. Trying to argue otherwise is denying reality.
    For what it's worth, the 3a was compared to the iPhone X with one low-light photo at the reveal, not the XS/XR.
    muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 30 of 31
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,693member
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    avon b7 said:

    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    As per usual folks pop up and cleary dont get that Apple doesnt need a ‘new’ mid-range device every year. Apple maintains higher prices at the premium end to prop up its amazing gray market. People fundamentally do not understand Apple’s pricing strategy. It is all about maintaining brand/price integrity. Apple’s trade in program is also about controlling the gray market prices. If Apple wants to give $250 for an iPhone 6s trade-in it sets a floor for 2nd hand iPhone value. Why sell it for less if Apple will give $250. 

    Meanwhile, the iOS install base continues to grow.
    Three years of stagnant growth. Two consecutive YoY, double digit drops in iPhone shipments. Iterative upgrades. Price increases. Drop off in satisfaction at Apple Retail. Fierce competition.
    Every time somebody says “But but but these are iterative improvements!” it immediately flags them as someone ignorant to how Apple rolls. Iterative product development is the name of their game. Gruber wrote about this almost a decade ago. Read up.


    ...doing this consistently is how you have something amazingly better years later. Iteration.

    I know. We all know how Apple rolls.

    That doesn't change anything and isn't even the point.

    The fact is Apple is behind in most of the key smartphone areas - as a result - of how it rolls.

    Perhaps (and only perhaps) from a business/investor perspective, it can be understood - even after three years of stagnant iPhone sales.

    However, from a consumer perspective, Apple simply isn't doing enough to reach the front runners. Yes, because of the way it rolls, if you please, but that is irrelevant. Now, with each major Android flagship presentation, the latest iPhones get thrown up on screen to show how poorly they do in certain areas. Even the lowly Pixel 3a got in on the act at its presentation.

    Two consecutive quarters of YoY decline have sent alarm bells ringing.

    Falling even further behind is not an option so expect at least an effort (plus price drops) come this September.

    IMO, it's time for Apple to change how it rolls.

    In fact Apple did actually begin that change in 2017. Now it is time to tackle that iterative angle.


    Falling behind? Haha. Jeez, there is a subjective opinion if I have ever heard one. Meanwhile everyone copies them.   A12, Apple Watch, AirPods, etc. Terribly behind? Complete rubbish. The camera is the only thing to make an argument about and then Apple will address that and then what.  I use a XS Max and the camera is awesome and video recording top of class. The idea that iPhone is so far behind is complete BS. I can hear your response now, ‘ but fast charge and reverse charge’ and a bunch of other things no cares about.  5G blah. Apple addresses things on there own schedule.  Apple isnt changing there plans bc Google release a mid range phone or bc Huawei releases the P30. You’re living in fantasyland, mate. They planned the 2019 phone 2yrs ago. 

    Now I also need to know how exactly you would change how Apple rolls? Enlighten us. Lower prices? Wonderful. 
    Falling behind, yes.

     When you are talking about iPhone and someone points to Samsung, Apple Watch, AirPods etc you know they are scrambling for a defence.

    Yes the iPhone XS has an awesome camera. No one said otherwise.

    However, 2019 is about camera versatility. Cameras have been taking great images for years. Even mid range cameras. I gave you an example of that: The lowly Pixel 3a was compared directly with Apple's latest iPhone for low light photography and was far better.

    Apple has been stuck at x2 zoom for years. The P20 Pro had x3 over a year ago. The P30 Pro goes to x5 (or x10 hybrid lossless). x50 in digital zoom. Apple cannot cut it with low light situations. The P20 Pro could take AI assisted, long (up to 6 seconds) handheld night shots. The P30 Pro can get the same results with a simple point a shoot action. The Huawei's have multiple cameras to achieve that versatility. Including macro photography.

    The batteries on iPhones are way behind what Huawei is offering. That is the single most important aspect of a phone. Even that lowly Pixel 3a is promising 7 hours of use on just a 15 minute charge.

    '5G blah!' Blah for you, but as I said, Apple is behind. Come Christmas, when the 5G marketing macine goes into overdrive around the world you will repeat your 'blah!' but that won't change anything. If sales don't pick up (it depends on what the refresh brings) you will claim people are simply delaying their upgrades until QC's modem appears on an iPhone. Because Apple, unlike QC, Samsung and Huawei (which represent more than two thirds of the market) doesn't have its own modem. Even its current LTE modems are not up to the competition. The same with Wi-Fi. 

    Way back in 2017 Huawei was pitting it's signal transmission and reception chops directly against Apple. It shouldn't be surprising that Huawei can stand out in this field.

    The list goes on: true dual SIM, dual frequency GPS, expandable storage, better storage and better charging options out of the box, better shell design, 3D live modelling, dual video, wireless and wired reverse charging, wired and wireless desktop modes etc.

    Apple is behind. Trying to argue otherwise is denying reality.
    For what it's worth, the 3a was compared to the iPhone X with one low-light photo at the reveal, not the XS/XR.
    Good call. I only got to see a quick 13 minute summary of the event last night and that low light pic was in there. It was a quick take away. In that case it would have been preferable to compare it against a shipping iPhone.
  • Reply 31 of 31
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    Meh. Just get a iPhone 7 with 128GB storage & as a bonus it takes excellent video.
    Just don't buy it from Apple themselves where it's silly priced for a three year old phone model IMO: $550.00. Plus tax.
    muthuk_vanalingam
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