A full ban on sale & purchase of Huawei 5G & other networking gear in the US appears immin...

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  • Reply 21 of 27
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,698member
    avon b7 said:
    rob53 said:
    Has anyone actually found anything in Huawei hardware? Intel has its own issues (ZombieLoad) so what exactly has anyone discovered in Huawei computer chips? Is the administration simply targeting a Chinese company to protect US companies?
    This:

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/30/18523701/huawei-vodafone-italy-security-backdoors-vulnerabilities-routers-core-network-wide-area-local


    It has caused quite the controversy in the UK and in Italy. 
    Didn't you follow the story?

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/04/30/huawei_enterprise_router_backdoor_is_telnet/
    Plenty have been following the story: The core problem was that Huawei did not patch (i.e. remove) it when instructed. Then when they said they did, it was still operational after the patch.

    On a side note: It really doesn't matter what one calls it, debug access is a no go.
    That wasn't the problem. Much less the core.

    Here we have a tool. Not a back door. It is not usable from the internet. It is visible to the network operator. Not hidden.

    Do you think that by not removing it when discovered, Huawei thought 'hey, if we don't remove it, Vodafone might forget it is there'?

    That wouldn't make any sense at all but some people are willing to default to nefarious reasons on the part of Huawei to justify  absurd logic.


    loopychewdysamoriaGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 22 of 27
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    wood1208 said:
    If you want to make China accept fair trading practices that won't happen by imposing trade tariffs by USA only. Rest of world(European,Canada,South American,Asian) countries must join the fight.
    If USA thinks China has to loose more than USA so at the end USA will win. May be, may be not. Question is do Americans and it's divided political system has ability to take long term pain, tolerance that Chinese can ? Once trade related higher pricing long term pain starts, millennium Americans, people living in suburban,immigrants will jump the ship and go against to pressure American political system to bend backward and compromise, This is no 2nd world war where country was one to fight against. So, unless both political parties are solid one voice against China, don't start the fight unless if you plan to finish till finished.
    That assumes that the only reason China makes things better and cheaper is because they cheat.  It's a spin off from the  "USA!  USA!  USA!" chants extolling the mighty American blue collar worker.    If that were true, Apple and others would not be making their products there.  The fact is:   China just makes things better and cheaper than others do.

    I find it amazing how many extol the unfailing virtues of free markets and open competition then claim "Not Fair" when they get beat.

    Globalization is the ultimate free market where each does what it does best without unfair protectionist practices trying to change the rules of the game to allow less capable producers to compete with more capable players.
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  • Reply 23 of 27
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    The so called "National Emergency" on telecomm equipment is that Trump told the world he didn't want them dealing with Huawei -- and they laughed at him.   So, in the absence of any evidence to support his claims, he simply assumed dictatorial powers to restrict Huawei.

    Essentially, with his so called border emergency Trump learned that he could simply declare himself a dictator (at least in certain areas) and bypass democracy to achieve his goals.   So, since it worked the first time, he decided to try it again in another battle he was losing. 

    And, as a side benefit, the world's newspapers all shifted their attention towards Huawei and away from investigations into Trump's corruption, criminality and now, abuse of power.
  • Reply 24 of 27
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,884member
    sdw2001 said:

    Trump is creating a war against China and Chinese companies (as well as Iran) to distract from the exposures of his own corruption and criminality.

    Unfortunately it won't be he who suffers but America and Americans. 
    Meanwhile the rest of the world is sliding away from the U.S. as Trump elects the failed "go it alone" strategy of the Bush Administration where the only countries who support his policies are those who have been bullied into it.

    This is unlikely to end well.
    Particularly now that the U.S. has to sell a Trillion dollars of bonds a year to finance Trump's Taxscam.  The U.S. is vulnerable -- especially as China has already loaned the U.S. over a Trillion dollars.  Frankly, we need them more than they need us.

    3.  Trump is engaging with countries all over the world.  The only difference is he is putting our nations interests first.  Tell me how NATO funding i doing?  Tell me about our relationship with most of Arab world?  Tell me about trying to work with North Korea?  He's far from "go it alone."  His predecessor was the one who decided to unilaterally overthrow Gaddafi without Congressional approval, went on a literal apology tour, and allowed ISIS to take hold.  
    ISIS was formed during and in response to actions taken by Bush & Cheney, so you really can’t blame Obama. 
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 25 of 27
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    wood1208 said:
    If you want to make China accept fair trading practices that won't happen by imposing trade tariffs by USA only. Rest of world(European,Canada,South American,Asian) countries must join the fight.
    If USA thinks China has to loose more than USA so at the end USA will win. May be, may be not. Question is do Americans and it's divided political system has ability to take long term pain, tolerance that Chinese can ? Once trade related higher pricing long term pain starts, millennium Americans, people living in suburban,immigrants will jump the ship and go against to pressure American political system to bend backward and compromise, This is no 2nd world war where country was one to fight against. So, unless both political parties are solid one voice against China, don't start the fight unless if you plan to finish till finished.
    https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/17/trump-huawei-networking-war/
    Worth a read
  • Reply 26 of 27
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,698member
    Hi Silicon has activated 'plan B'. To accelerate the transition to higher self sustainability. This year it was set at 60% anyway and they have stockpiled components to give them a year or two margin of manouvreability.

    https://www.journalpioneer.com/business/huaweis-hisilicon-says-it-has-long-been-preparing-for-us-ban-scenario-312752/

    It will be very hard for US companies to win that business back. As I said yesterday, if HiSilicon decides to make its silicon available to other vendors, Qualcomm will feel the pinch. It will feel the loss of Huawei for starters. All in all, estimates put lost revenues for the US at 11 Billion US dollars with 50,000 jobs affected.
    edited May 2019 GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 27 of 27
    JapheyJaphey Posts: 1,767member
    deminsd said:
    mwhite said:
    Trump is creating a war against China and Chinese companies (as well as Iran) to distract from the exposures of his own corruption and criminality.

    Unfortunately it won't be he who suffers but America and Americans. 
    Meanwhile the rest of the world is sliding away from the U.S. as Trump elects the failed "go it alone" strategy of the Bush Administration where the only countries who support his policies are those who have been bullied into it.

    This is unlikely to end well.
    Particularly now that the U.S. has to sell a Trillion dollars of bonds a year to finance Trump's Taxscam.  The U.S. is vulnerable -- especially as China has already loaned the U.S. over a Trillion dollars.  Frankly, we need them more than they need us.
    BS.....
    Which part of what he said was untrue?
    Every word. It sounded like it came straight from the evening news teleprompter. 
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