MS joins DVDRW Alliance

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
German newssite heise.de - the company that publishes the c't and iX magazines - notes that MS joined the DVDRW Alliance that promotes the DVD+R(W) standard - <a href="http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jk-25.02.03-001/"; target="_blank">Link</a> (in German only - sorry).



A sad day for the DVD-R(W) standard supported by Apple. How will Apple react? Will they equip all upcoming Macs with hybrid drives to keep all options open? What about the DVD-R(W) drives allready in use?



edit: language information.



[ 02-25-2003: Message edited by: RolandG ]</p>
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  • Reply 1 of 27
    I highly doubt that this will have much effect on Apple.
  • Reply 2 of 27
    I hope they do care!



    DVD-R(W) will soon be irelevant in the WIntel world with the effects that



    a. DVD+R(W) media will become cheaper while DVD-R(W) rises in price,

    b. a new file system - Mount Rainer - will soon be widespread and as it seems incomptible with the Mac platform

    and c. DVD-R(W) - data, not movies - media might not be accessible on PCs in the future.
  • Reply 3 of 27
    fran441fran441 Posts: 3,715member
    Newsflash: "Microsoft joins DVD+RW Alliance, renames it to Microsoft DVD+RW Alliance"







    Seriously, this isn't going to make much of a difference. DVD-RW drives are still going to do well and I doubt you'll see the price of DVD-RW media skyrocket.
  • Reply 4 of 27
    709709 Posts: 2,016member
    Wasn't there some news recently about Apple including a Sony drive (DVD-RW / DVD+RW) in the new iMacs? If that's true, and Apple sees fit to spread these across all lines, we'll have the best of both worlds.
  • Reply 5 of 27
    g-newsg-news Posts: 1,107member
    As long as commercial DVD Player still don't support DVD+R and +RW, nobody is going to care.

    and the day DVD drives support DVD-R/W and +R/W are approaching too anyway.

    No need to worry. MS may have serious influence on software, but hardware? na



    G-News
  • Reply 6 of 27
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,268member
    RolandG I think you severely overestimate the sway of Microsoft. They're not System Integrators...they have no control over whether PC's come with a particular flavor of of DVDR.



    In the end it's all about compatibility. I will choose the drive the offers the best and currently that looks to be DVD-R and to boot the media is cheaper



    <a href="http://www.rima.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=R&Product_Code= 1641-100" target="_blank">DVD+R $1.50 in a 100pk</a>



    versus



    <a href="http://www.rima.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=R&Category_Code =DM" target="_blank">DVD-R .69 per 100pk </a>



    I don't think I have to ask you which 100pk will save your Deutchmarks
  • Reply 7 of 27
    For those of you that think I overestimate MS push on the DVD+R(W) standard:



    There will be a new file system - Mount Rainer - that integrates burning right into the OS. And why do you think that people use other MS tech? Because that is what the systems ship with. Considering that Dell is also a member of the Alliance you can guess what most systems will be equiped with.
  • Reply 8 of 27
    I don't think I have to ask you which 100pk will save your Deutchmarks [/QB][/QUOTE]



    Dude, there are no more "Deutsche Mark"!

    The most european countries (France, Italy, Germany, etc.) have "Euro" & "Cents"!



    Just a general information.





    <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />
  • Reply 9 of 27
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,268member
    [quote]Originally posted by RolandG:

    <strong>For those of you that think I overestimate MS push on the DVD+R(W) standard:



    There will be a new file system - Mount Rainer - that integrates burning right into the OS. And why do you think that people use other MS tech? Because that is what the systems ship with. Considering that Dell is also a member of the Alliance you can guess what most systems will be equiped with.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    That's a non factor. Consumers don't care if burning is internal or external to the OS. What they want is accurate and quick burning with a minimum of fuss.



    Besides as you can see DVD-R is currently MUCH cheaper on media costs. Americans LOVE cheaper media!



    Actually expect to see DVD Multi take off. You will have DVD Recording drives drop below $200 soon but I expect to see drives similar to the Sony which support both standards. Consumers love optios as long as it doesn't cost them too much.



    [ 02-25-2003: Message edited by: hmurchison ]</p>
  • Reply 9 of 27
    [quote]Originally posted by hmurchison:



    <strong>I don't think I have to ask you which 100pk will save your Deutchmarks </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Unfortunately none, because we have the Euro now



    They may be cheaper now but markets tend to be dynamic in that they react to demand and supply as well as to the economics of scale.
  • Reply 11 of 27
    lucaluca Posts: 3,833member
    There was an Ars Technica poll recently that asked what kind of burning capability you have. Under 10% had no burning capability (i.e. DVD-ROM or CD-ROM), while over 70% had CD-RW only. With DVD burning, though... 8% had DVD-R/RW and 2% had DVD+R/RW.



    How much of a difference is there, really? I believe DVD+R/RW scaled slightly faster, making it to 4x before DVD-R/RW did. And there are 2.4x burners for DVD+R/RW. But not playable in a commercial DVD player? Who cares then?
  • Reply 12 of 27
    [quote]Originally posted by hmurchison:

    <strong>



    That's a non factor. Consumers don't care if burning is internal or external to the OS. What they want is accurate and quick burning with a minimum of fuss.



    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    And what creates less fuzz?



    a. read and write at will floppy disk style



    or



    b. having to deal with multi-sessions, erasing before writing etc. and feaure loaden software not knowing what one does.
  • Reply 13 of 27
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    DVD+RW is better. I hope DVD-RW dies but I think this will just make a bigger mess. The industry is so annoying! Why do things keep getting more complex? I hope Apple ships a Super Super Drive that does +/- everything.
  • Reply 14 of 27
    709709 Posts: 2,016member
    Hmmm...(from News.com)



    [quote]

    (DVD+R)+(DVD-R)-(DVD+R)=DVD-R



    Astute buyers of some of Apple's latest crop of flat-screen iMacs have noticed that their DVD-burners are made by Sony.



    The discovery raised hopes that the Macs might be able to burn both the DVD-R media Apple has supported and the DVD+R media it has spurned. That's because Sony is unique in the industry in offering drives that write to both rival formats.



    However, Apple confirmed that iMacs, even those with Sony DVD burners, can only use DVD-R media. The Mac maker wouldn't say whether the +R media support was disabled in hardware or software.



    So why, one might ask, would Apple use the Sony drives only to disable the dual compatibility consumers love? A number of PC makers are said to have coveted the Sony drives during a time when it appeared there might not be enough of the single-format drives available. Hewlett-Packard, one of the strongest backers of the DVD+R format, is said to have considered a move similar to Apple's, but with DVD-R support disabled instead.

    [Feb. 24, 2003]<hr></blockquote>



    [edit]:formatting



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  • Reply 15 of 27
    Apple can't support DVD+RW. Not for technical reasons however.



    Say you have two iMac purchasers. One fellow gets a Pioneer Drive in his and one receives the Sony. Well what happens when the Sony fellow tells the Pioneer fellow how he's able to record to ALL formats? Surely the Pioneer user would object to Apple and would most likely litigate.



    Apple has no choice but to disable + features until they can offer them to the whole of Superdrive enabled Macs.
  • Reply 16 of 27
    rodukroduk Posts: 706member
    Well, I've just joined the DVD-RW alliance as my Pioneer DVR-105 arrived today. Surely cheaper media and compatability with domestic DVD players are what matter to most consumers. Does anyone know what the advantages of the DVD+RW format are?



    [ 02-25-2003: Message edited by: RodUK ]</p>
  • Reply 17 of 27
    My DVD+RW burns play fine in all the standalone DVD players I've tried (Samsung, Sony, Phillips, Xbox), so I'm not sure what this FUD about DVD-R being more compatible is. I bought a +R/+RW drive because it cost $100 less than any comparable -R/-RW drive I could find.



    [ 02-25-2003: Message edited by: Eskimo ]</p>
  • Reply 18 of 27
    fran441fran441 Posts: 3,715member
    Eskimo, it has to do with the DVD Forum saying that DVD+RW is an unsupported format.
  • Reply 19 of 27
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    DVD+RW doesn't need to be completely erased before you rewrite data, it's like one big floppy, perfect for Apple. hmurchison this situation is so messed I say convert asap, and for the old iMac owners TOO BAD. Old DVD-RAM PowerMac owners were screwed as well. But I don't see why they don't just allow iMacs etc to burn +RW in ADDITION to -RW. This is all so confusing and annoying.



    [ 02-25-2003: Message edited by: Aquatic ]</p>
  • Reply 20 of 27
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    IIRC, this is basically lip service. Microsoft jumped in with the DVD+RW Alliance over 2 years ago shortly after Apple and Compaq started shipping DVD-RW drive equipped PCs.
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