Developers compete with Apple by making their products better than Apple’s. Apple’s products usually provide just enough functionality to be useful. We hear from users here all the time about how superior some app is to Apple’s offering. And as the article points out, these developers saw this coming a mile away and were prepared for it.
Apparently Luna wasn't having misread Apple's intent when they asked for a demo and for a number of Luna dongles.
As a business owner myself I've learned to be cautious when big companies ask for in-depth explanations and sample of my products while leaving the impression they are a potential customer or partner. I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with.
Like how Google sherlocked Apple.
LOL, who would have expected a "whaddabout Google" in another Apple thread? Staying on topic is tough isn't it?
I'm guessing you don't know what Sherlocking is (or do but wanted to get a Google comment in anyway) and confusing it with mimic or influenced by.
At least the owner of Duet Display is being pragmatic about this.
No one seems to have a problem that there are alternatives to the stock apps, but if Apple decides to include functionality that another app provides, some people lose their shit.
Luna display already does things that Sidecar does not. Apples sidecar can only be activated from a Mac screen, but Luna can be used from the iPad to a headless Mac like a Mac mini. Sidecar also has to be quite close or cabled.
I wish Apple would take the calculator on the iPhone and put it on the iPad. And do the same with the Weather app.
Typically, Apple apps due 70% of what 90% of it's users need. The PCalc creator recognized that. So Apple leaves them room to cover the missing 30%. Then charges them 30% for doing so. LOL
Many of these apps are developed because we though Apple should have included them in the OS. So while it can tank some devs, I'm happy to see Apple make a native version of a third-party app.
Nothing wrong with studying the competition and doing something similar. But the idea of anybody, Apple included, of inviting someone to give a demo then do their own version does suck big time.
Even though Apple may not want the biggest share in the market, they sometimes have been the biggest shark in the tank.
Developers compete with Apple by making their products better than Apple’s. Apple’s products usually provide just enough functionality to be useful. We hear from users here all the time about how superior some app is to Apple’s offering. And as the article points out, these developers saw this coming a mile away and were prepared for it.
Apparently Luna wasn't having misread Apple's intent when they asked for a demo and for a number of Luna dongles.
As a business owner myself I've learned to be cautious when big companies ask for in-depth explanations and sample of my products while leaving the impression they are a potential customer or partner. I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with.
Like how Google sherlocked Apple.
In what way? I'm guessing you don't know what Sherlocking is (or do but wanted to get a Google comment in anyway) and confusing it with mimic or influenced by.
I think I'll start with the developers of Mosaic instead.
Who went on to found Netscape
Mosaic was created by NCSA, a state & federal government partnership. Marc Andreessen, lead dev of the Mosaic browser, left to form what became the Netscape corporation, and many of the developers joined him. They sold Netscape as a commercial piece of software, you could even buy it at Best Buy.
They bundled Internet Explorer to their Windows product, then threatened OEM PC makers with having their licenses to sell Windows revoked if they continued to install Netscape onto their disk images to customers. That's what got Microsoft into legal trouble. These used their market dominance in one area, to strong-arm in another area.
Are you suggesting Apple is doing the same? Nope. Completely different scenarios. But yes, they both build a web browser. >clap<
When Apple built Safari, Netscape had already been displaced by Microsoft Internet Explorer.
And Netscape did a job of killing NCSA Mosaic before that.
I remember well the first time I used Netscape on a demo Mac at a consumer fair — "Wow! INLINE GRAPHICS! Holy Carp!"
My point wasn't about Netscape on the Mac. It was about how if your product depends on not having anyone else come in after you, you're going to be in trouble unless you have some value-adding moats around it. Infamously, Netscape did not, and Internet Explorer was bundled into the Windows OS. EOS
This is the kind of thing that is showing Apple in anticompetitive territory, and attracting the ire of regulators. It wouldn't be as bad if they made a similar app using the same APIs that're available to developers, but using private ones to improve performance over public APIs, and therefore get an advantage over third party options is backhanded and unfair.
False. If Apple had ripped off either company and then told them they couldn’t sell their software through the App Store anymore, THAT would be anticompetitive.
To be fair, using the iPad as an extra display or stylus capable input *should* have been an Apple feature from the start. No idea why it took them so long to add the capability. And a built in calculator on the watch isn't exactly a stretch either, one has come on the Mac forever (remember desk accessories) and was built in on the original iPhone as well.
It's not like either of these were crazy concepts that no one else had thought of.
You're right, it's not like they hadn't been thought of. The reasons are otherwise. In the case of the AW, Apple likely felt the display was too small. Now it isn't. In the case of the iPad, it only got a quality, low-latency stylus in the last few years. And then they had more important things to implement that affected more users, including mark up, etc. Now they got to this. Great. Wasn't the end of the world.
Developers compete with Apple by making their products better than Apple’s. Apple’s products usually provide just enough functionality to be useful. We hear from users here all the time about how superior some app is to Apple’s offering. And as the article points out, these developers saw this coming a mile away and were prepared for it.
Apparently Luna wasn't having misread Apple's intent when they asked for a demo and for a number of Luna dongles.
As a business owner myself I've learned to be cautious when big companies ask for in-depth explanations and sample of my products while leaving the impression they are a potential customer or partner. I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with.
Like how Google sherlocked Apple.
In what way? I'm guessing you don't know what Sherlocking is (or do but wanted to get a Google comment in anyway) and confusing it with mimic or influenced by completely ripping off.
Developers compete with Apple by making their products better than Apple’s. Apple’s products usually provide just enough functionality to be useful. We hear from users here all the time about how superior some app is to Apple’s offering. And as the article points out, these developers saw this coming a mile away and were prepared for it.
Apparently Luna wasn't having misread Apple's intent when they asked for a demo and for a number of Luna dongles.
As a business owner myself I've learned to be cautious when big companies ask for in-depth explanations and sample of my products while leaving the impression they are a potential customer or partner. I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with.
Like how Google sherlocked Apple.
In what way? I'm guessing you don't know what Sherlocking is (or do but wanted to get a Google comment in anyway) and confusing it with mimic or influenced by completely ripping off.
Fixed it for ya.
Another person who doesn't know what Sherlocking is? I guess I shouldn't be surprised but hard to believe you don't know.
Oh wait even if having nothing to do with the article, was that meant to show how Google made a replica of the original iPhone? Hmmm... I'm not seeing it. I don't think anyone else will either.
By the way who made that phone as I don't recognize it? Was it the old HTC-designed one, "Dream" or something like that?
Developers compete with Apple by making their products better than Apple’s. Apple’s products usually provide just enough functionality to be useful. We hear from users here all the time about how superior some app is to Apple’s offering. And as the article points out, these developers saw this coming a mile away and were prepared for it.
Apparently Luna wasn't having misread Apple's intent when they asked for a demo and for a number of Luna dongles.
As a business owner myself I've learned to be cautious when big companies ask for in-depth explanations and sample of my products while leaving the impression they are a potential customer or partner. I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with.
Like how Google sherlocked Apple.
In what way? I'm guessing you don't know what Sherlocking is (or do but wanted to get a Google comment in anyway) and confusing it with mimic or influenced by completely ripping off.
Fixed it for ya.
Another person who doesn't know what Sherlocking is? I guess I shouldn't be surprised but hard to believe you don't know.
Read again. I never made claims about Sherlocking, I made a correction to your phrasing -- replacing "mimic or influenced by" with "completely ripping off", which is what Google did after they saw iPhone OS. They didn't mimic it, they did a complete 180 rip-off of it.
Developers compete with Apple by making their products better than Apple’s. Apple’s products usually provide just enough functionality to be useful. We hear from users here all the time about how superior some app is to Apple’s offering. And as the article points out, these developers saw this coming a mile away and were prepared for it.
Apparently Luna wasn't having misread Apple's intent when they asked for a demo and for a number of Luna dongles.
As a business owner myself I've learned to be cautious when big companies ask for in-depth explanations and sample of my products while leaving the impression they are a potential customer or partner. I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with.
Like how Google sherlocked Apple.
In what way? I'm guessing you don't know what Sherlocking is (or do but wanted to get a Google comment in anyway) and confusing it with mimic or influenced by completely ripping off.
Fixed it for ya.
Another person who doesn't know what Sherlocking is? I guess I shouldn't be surprised but hard to believe you don't know.
Read again. I never made claims about Sherlocking, I made a correction to your phrasing -- replacing "mimic or influenced by" with "completely ripping off", which is what Google did after they saw iPhone OS. They didn't mimic it, they did a complete 180 rip-off of it.
Developers compete with Apple by making their products better than Apple’s. Apple’s products usually provide just enough functionality to be useful. We hear from users here all the time about how superior some app is to Apple’s offering. And as the article points out, these developers saw this coming a mile away and were prepared for it.
Apparently Luna wasn't having misread Apple's intent when they asked for a demo and for a number of Luna dongles.
As a business owner myself I've learned to be cautious when big companies ask for in-depth explanations and sample of my products while leaving the impression they are a potential customer or partner. I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with.
Like how Google sherlocked Apple.
In what way? I'm guessing you don't know what Sherlocking is (or do but wanted to get a Google comment in anyway) and confusing it with mimic or influenced by.
Haha ... He knew and was accurate.
Haha. I knew he'd play clueless about Google even after his long rant about partnering with and trusting outside companies with your ideas.
Developers compete with Apple by making their products better than Apple’s. Apple’s products usually provide just enough functionality to be useful. We hear from users here all the time about how superior some app is to Apple’s offering. And as the article points out, these developers saw this coming a mile away and were prepared for it.
Apparently Luna wasn't having misread Apple's intent when they asked for a demo and for a number of Luna dongles.
As a business owner myself I've learned to be cautious when big companies ask for in-depth explanations and sample of my products while leaving the impression they are a potential customer or partner. I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with.
Like how Google sherlocked Apple.
In what way? I'm guessing you don't know what Sherlocking is (or do but wanted to get a Google comment in anyway) and confusing it with mimic or influenced by completely ripping off.
Fixed it for ya.
Another person who doesn't know what Sherlocking is? I guess I shouldn't be surprised but hard to believe you don't know.
Oh wait even if having nothing to do with the article, was that meant to show how Google made a replica of the original iPhone? Hmmm... I'm not seeing it. I don't think anyone else will either.
By the way who made that phone as I don't recognize it? Was it the old HTC-designed one, "Dream" or something like that?
"I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with."
Developers compete with Apple by making their products better than Apple’s. Apple’s products usually provide just enough functionality to be useful. We hear from users here all the time about how superior some app is to Apple’s offering. And as the article points out, these developers saw this coming a mile away and were prepared for it.
Apparently Luna wasn't having misread Apple's intent when they asked for a demo and for a number of Luna dongles.
As a business owner myself I've learned to be cautious when big companies ask for in-depth explanations and sample of my products while leaving the impression they are a potential customer or partner. I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with.
Like how Google sherlocked Apple.
In what way? I'm guessing you don't know what Sherlocking is (or do but wanted to get a Google comment in anyway) and confusing it with mimic or influenced by.
Haha ... He knew and was accurate.
Haha. I knew he'd play clueless about Google even after his long rant about partnering with and trusting outside companies with your ideas.
Developers compete with Apple by making their products better than Apple’s. Apple’s products usually provide just enough functionality to be useful. We hear from users here all the time about how superior some app is to Apple’s offering. And as the article points out, these developers saw this coming a mile away and were prepared for it.
Apparently Luna wasn't having misread Apple's intent when they asked for a demo and for a number of Luna dongles.
As a business owner myself I've learned to be cautious when big companies ask for in-depth explanations and sample of my products while leaving the impression they are a potential customer or partner. I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with.
Like how Google sherlocked Apple.
In what way? I'm guessing you don't know what Sherlocking is (or do but wanted to get a Google comment in anyway) and confusing it with mimic or influenced by completely ripping off.
Fixed it for ya.
Another person who doesn't know what Sherlocking is? I guess I shouldn't be surprised but hard to believe you don't know.
Oh wait even if having nothing to do with the article, was that meant to show how Google made a replica of the original iPhone? Hmmm... I'm not seeing it. I don't think anyone else will either.
By the way who made that phone as I don't recognize it? Was it the old HTC-designed one, "Dream" or something like that?
"I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with."
Your definition. Sound familiar?
Ummm... I don't think Google dumped Apple services nor tried to replace a service Apple was providing Google with one of their own. Any chance of getting back on topic or are you still on a Google sideline binge to distract from the real discussion?
Developers compete with Apple by making their products better than Apple’s. Apple’s products usually provide just enough functionality to be useful. We hear from users here all the time about how superior some app is to Apple’s offering. And as the article points out, these developers saw this coming a mile away and were prepared for it.
Apparently Luna wasn't having misread Apple's intent when they asked for a demo and for a number of Luna dongles.
As a business owner myself I've learned to be cautious when big companies ask for in-depth explanations and sample of my products while leaving the impression they are a potential customer or partner. I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with.
Like how Google sherlocked Apple.
In what way? I'm guessing you don't know what Sherlocking is (or do but wanted to get a Google comment in anyway) and confusing it with mimic or influenced by.
Haha ... He knew and was accurate.
Haha. I knew he'd play clueless about Google even after his long rant about partnering with and trusting outside companies with your ideas.
Developers compete with Apple by making their products better than Apple’s. Apple’s products usually provide just enough functionality to be useful. We hear from users here all the time about how superior some app is to Apple’s offering. And as the article points out, these developers saw this coming a mile away and were prepared for it.
Apparently Luna wasn't having misread Apple's intent when they asked for a demo and for a number of Luna dongles.
As a business owner myself I've learned to be cautious when big companies ask for in-depth explanations and sample of my products while leaving the impression they are a potential customer or partner. I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with.
Like how Google sherlocked Apple.
In what way? I'm guessing you don't know what Sherlocking is (or do but wanted to get a Google comment in anyway) and confusing it with mimic or influenced by completely ripping off.
Fixed it for ya.
Another person who doesn't know what Sherlocking is? I guess I shouldn't be surprised but hard to believe you don't know.
Oh wait even if having nothing to do with the article, was that meant to show how Google made a replica of the original iPhone? Hmmm... I'm not seeing it. I don't think anyone else will either.
By the way who made that phone as I don't recognize it? Was it the old HTC-designed one, "Dream" or something like that?
"I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with."
Your definition. Sound familiar?
Ummm... I don't think Google dumped Apple services nor tried to replace a service Apple was providing Google with one of their own. Any chance of getting back on topic or are you still on a Google sideline binge to distract from the real discussion?
Says the guy who is compulsively compelled to defend a company he claims to have no connection with on an Apple website every...single...day. Not normal.
If you're so interested in keeping discussions on track, why the need to defend Google when you see a Google comment? if you altruistic about keeping the discussion on topic, I do believe you'd ignore Google criticism, rather than go out of your way to defend a corporation you claim to have no connection with. Strange.
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I'm guessing you don't know what Sherlocking is (or do but wanted to get a Google comment in anyway) and confusing it with mimic or influenced by.
No one seems to have a problem that there are alternatives to the stock apps, but if Apple decides to include functionality that another app provides, some people lose their shit.
Typically, Apple apps due 70% of what 90% of it's users need. The PCalc creator recognized that. So Apple leaves them room to cover the missing 30%. Then charges them 30% for doing so. LOL
Many of these apps are developed because we though Apple should have included them in the OS. So while it can tank some devs, I'm happy to see Apple make a native version of a third-party app.
Nothing wrong with studying the competition and doing something similar. But the idea of anybody, Apple included, of inviting someone to give a demo then do their own version does suck big time.
Even though Apple may not want the biggest share in the market, they sometimes have been the biggest shark in the tank.
Mosaic was created by NCSA, a state & federal government partnership. Marc Andreessen, lead dev of the Mosaic browser, left to form what became the Netscape corporation, and many of the developers joined him. They sold Netscape as a commercial piece of software, you could even buy it at Best Buy.
They bundled Internet Explorer to their Windows product, then threatened OEM PC makers with having their licenses to sell Windows revoked if they continued to install Netscape onto their disk images to customers. That's what got Microsoft into legal trouble. These used their market dominance in one area, to strong-arm in another area.
Are you suggesting Apple is doing the same? Nope. Completely different scenarios. But yes, they both build a web browser. >clap<
My point wasn't about Netscape on the Mac. It was about how if your product depends on not having anyone else come in after you, you're going to be in trouble unless you have some value-adding moats around it. Infamously, Netscape did not, and Internet Explorer was bundled into the Windows OS. EOS
You're right, it's not like they hadn't been thought of. The reasons are otherwise. In the case of the AW, Apple likely felt the display was too small. Now it isn't. In the case of the iPad, it only got a quality, low-latency stylus in the last few years. And then they had more important things to implement that affected more users, including mark up, etc. Now they got to this. Great. Wasn't the end of the world.
Oh wait even if having nothing to do with the article, was that meant to show how Google made a replica of the original iPhone? Hmmm... I'm not seeing it. I don't think anyone else will either.
By the way who made that phone as I don't recognize it? Was it the old HTC-designed one, "Dream" or something like that?
Refresh your memory:
https://appleinsider.com/articles/14/04/14/exclusive-android-docs-reveal-before-iphone-googles-plan-was-a-java-button-phone
Keep droppin' those FUD pellets, fella! Plop plop plop! One day we may buy into your sponsored narrative!
Haha. I knew he'd play clueless about Google even after his long rant about partnering with and trusting outside companies with your ideas.
"I've been Sherlocked myself in the past and it's not a warm fuzzy feeling when you anticipate business from a supposed friendly company only to find it was all about competing with you to begin with."
Your definition. Sound familiar?
If you're so interested in keeping discussions on track, why the need to defend Google when you see a Google comment? if you altruistic about keeping the discussion on topic, I do believe you'd ignore Google criticism, rather than go out of your way to defend a corporation you claim to have no connection with. Strange.