This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models.
I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.
Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.
Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?
I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.
What’s your source for this?
No source. I simply remembered reading a piece on smartwatches (a couple of months ago) that said Apple had a little under a third of the market.
I didn't bookmark as I don't wear watches so I have little interest in square or round faces.
My question was simple enough to understand. My position was crystal clear and Rogifan asked a pretty logical question, which, out of courtesy, I had no issue providing an honest and clear answer to.
Perhaps this is a continuation of Apple shifting away from sleek, minimalist design and towards functionality that we saw with the new MacPro?
And, perhaps this shift had some connection (either cause or effect) with Ive's leaving?
In any case, abandoning the flawed butterfly keyboard is long overdue.
Ive was involved with the new Mac Pro. Whatever the next generation of laptops are it’s something Apple has been working on for a while. You don’t just pump out new designs in a matter of weeks or months.
True, you don't.
And neither did Ives just get up and decide to quit last week.
I see Apple rethinking some long held tenets -- such as those pushed by Ives. It was time. But as I asked, was it cause or effect? Only Ives knows for sure -- and he may not even know....
This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models.
I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.
Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.
Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?
I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.
What’s your source for this?
No source. I simply remembered reading a piece on smartwatches (a couple of months ago) that said Apple had a little under a third of the market.
I didn't bookmark as I don't wear watches so I have little interest in square or round faces.
My question was simple enough to understand. My position was crystal clear and Rogifan asked a pretty logical question, which, out of courtesy, I had no issue providing an honest and clear answer to.
Now it's your turn to do the same.
Not taking the bait again.
If you can't see the illogical argument you brought you won't see the truth because you don't want to.
This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models.
I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.
Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.
Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?
I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.
What’s your source for this?
Certainly not Apple.
I think round faces are good as it keeps manufacturers from making Apple Watch knockoffs. Fitbit on the other hand.....
Why would this first turn up in the MBA?it got a new design last year. Apple new designs do not tend to be replaced until years have gone by. A redesign isn’t normal supply chain guy behaviour.
This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models.
I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.
Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.
Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?
I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.
What’s your source for this?
No source. I simply remembered reading a piece on smartwatches (a couple of months ago) that said Apple had a little under a third of the market.
I didn't bookmark as I don't wear watches so I have little interest in square or round faces.
My question was simple enough to understand. My position was crystal clear and Rogifan asked a pretty logical question, which, out of courtesy, I had no issue providing an honest and clear answer to.
Now it's your turn to do the same.
Not taking the bait again.
If you can't see the illogical argument you brought you won't see the truth because you don't want to.
What 'bait'?
The question was this - and simple:
"Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?"
I don't profess to even know! As I said, I have zero interest in watches. But there is the question together with the reason I asked it.
All you have to do is answer it, and while you're at it perhaps you could explain the presence of what looks like a plastic Captain Picard in your reply.
This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models.
I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.
Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.
Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?
I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.
What’s your source for this?
Certainly not Apple.
Why on earth would I turn to Apple for the answer?
Of course not!
What is strange is that I provided a link to where the information probably came from so you know it wasn't Apple.
My MacBook with a Butterfly keyboard has never worked correctly. On the other hand , my MacBook Air with the Scissors Keyboard works fine. No reason to have ever used a Butterfly Keyboard. No reason at all.
This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models.
I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.
Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.
Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?
I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.
What’s your source for this?
Certainly not Apple.
Why on earth would I turn to Apple for the answer?
Of course not!
What is strange is that I provided a link to where the information probably came from so you know it wasn't Apple.
This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models.
I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.
Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.
Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?
I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.
What’s your source for this?
Certainly not Apple.
Why on earth would I turn to Apple for the answer?
Of course not!
What is strange is that I provided a link to where the information probably came from so you know it wasn't Apple.
Because Apple is the only one who has the answer.
Here is the original question again:
"Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?"
To which Rogifan asked for a source.
I gave one.
The off topic point basically ended there, but...
You chime in with the source certainly wasn't Apple.
I asked why the source would be Apple.
You reply with 'because Apple is the only one who has the answer'.
I'm going to leave things as they are because there is no point taking things further and It is not butterfly keyboard related.
I echo Henrybay... Apple should replace the butterfly keyboard ASAP and banish them completely from the line!
I know I wouldn't buy a 'butterfly' Mac or keyboard. And I'm an 'Apple Guy.'
And let's make the MBP a bit thicker, now that Jony is history, to allow for some more ports so I don't have to carry dongles. I don't mind a solid piece of hardware for my hard-earned money.
This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models.
I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.
Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.
Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?
I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.
What’s your source for this?
Certainly not Apple.
Why on earth would I turn to Apple for the answer?
Of course not!
What is strange is that I provided a link to where the information probably came from so you know it wasn't Apple.
Because Apple is the only one who has the answer.
Here is the original question again:
"Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?"
To which Rogifan asked for a source.
I gave one.
The off topic point basically ended there, but...
You chime in with the source certainly wasn't Apple.
I asked why the source would be Apple.
You reply with 'because Apple is the only one who has the answer'.
I'm going to leave things as they are because there is no point taking things further and It is not butterfly keyboard related.
"So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations."
Only Apple knows sales numbers. Other companies hide sales numbers. Sometimes Apple will reveal numbers during earnings calls. Apple numbers are official.
This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models.
I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.
Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.
Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?
I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.
What’s your source for this?
Certainly not Apple.
Why on earth would I turn to Apple for the answer?
Of course not!
What is strange is that I provided a link to where the information probably came from so you know it wasn't Apple.
Because Apple is the only one who has the answer.
Here is the original question again:
"Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?"
To which Rogifan asked for a source.
I gave one.
The off topic point basically ended there, but...
You chime in with the source certainly wasn't Apple.
I asked why the source would be Apple.
You reply with 'because Apple is the only one who has the answer'.
I'm going to leave things as they are because there is no point taking things further and It is not butterfly keyboard related.
"So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations."
Only Apple knows sales numbers. Other companies hide sales numbers. Sometimes Apple will reveal numbers during earnings calls. Apple numbers are official.
I didn’t understand the point you we’re making, but now I see that’s because you’re answering a question Avon didn’t ask and not answering the one he did. With due respect, I found your argument really difficult to follow.
I like the typing experience on my 2018 MBP; I only “fear” eventually an expensive repair due to dust. If the dust seals are addressed, there’s nothing wrong with the existing keyboards.
It’s a long standing matter: some prefer precise short-key-travel keyboards, others prefer clickedy-click long-key-travel keyboards.
I firmly fall in the first category.
There’s no way to placate both camps, but slimmer, lighter designs mean the second camp will have to adapt or die, no matter what.
This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models.
I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.
Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.
Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?
I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.
What’s your source for this?
Certainly not Apple.
Why on earth would I turn to Apple for the answer?
Of course not!
What is strange is that I provided a link to where the information probably came from so you know it wasn't Apple.
Because Apple is the only one who has the answer.
Here is the original question again:
"Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?"
To which Rogifan asked for a source.
I gave one.
The off topic point basically ended there, but...
You chime in with the source certainly wasn't Apple.
I asked why the source would be Apple.
You reply with 'because Apple is the only one who has the answer'.
I'm going to leave things as they are because there is no point taking things further and It is not butterfly keyboard related.
"So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations."
Only Apple knows sales numbers. Other companies hide sales numbers. Sometimes Apple will reveal numbers during earnings calls. Apple numbers are official.
I didn’t understand the point you we’re making, but now I see that’s because you’re answering a question Avon didn’t ask and not answering the one he did. With due respect, I found your argument really difficult to follow.
I can intentionally be vague sometimes to allow people to think. Here though I thought I was obvious.
Unless I read something wrong, THIS is what I followed:
Ikrupp brought up Apples innovations as being blasted by the media often and mentions Apple Watch design.
Avon of course follows the media and bashes Apple Watch design by saying it has less market share. Therefore not being as great as Apple thinks. He mentions a rumor about Apple thinking of going with a round face due to low sales expectations.
Rogifan asks for a source.
Avon admits he doesn't have one and then links to what seems to be an editorial piece.
The problem with all these rumors about sales is that only Apple knows how much they've sold. He also fails to mention Fitbit which is massively successful compared to android watches and would therefore add to Apples design share. He also fails to mention that tons of companies are selling round faces and comparing them to Apple. This is the same logic people use when claiming "Android sells more" as if it were a single phone manufacturer, pitting 1,000+ companies against Apple for the sake of proving Apple doesn't sell much.
Hopefully they also put back in MagSafe and an escape key
Agreed, I miss the MagSafe but am now liking the additional(?) TB3/USB-C port. I think Apple did the right thing by going to that standard. There are USB-C "MagSafe" adapters that have pretty good reviews. I waffle between buying one and then deciding I don't need it. If Apple did something like a recessed USB-C/MageSafe adapter so it would be flush, that would be interesting, but I doubt that'll happen.
What’s the problem for that? It’s small, reversible and don’t take the bandwidth. MagSafe is proprietary, clunky in comparison, and isn’t that reliable too.
I loved the MagSafe connector on my 2011 MBA. the only issue was I had to replace the cord after 7 years - I consider that an acceptable lifespan for a power cable.
MagSafe was quintessential Apple design - beautifully executed, functional, and it just worked. I have 4 USB C ports on my 2017 MBP. The majority of the time I only use one to charge. Or to plug in a USB A adaptor. I'd be willing to bet that there are exceedingly few users that actually need 4 USB C ports. The only advantage of USB C is that you can plug in from either side. In every other aspect, the MagSafe connector was better.
I've seen the adaptor you list above, my concern (perhaps unfounded) is that it would catch on things as I slide my computer in/out of my bag, straining or breaking the USB C port.
MagSafe was a great design - in the past they were. The whole point of having magnetic connector is not to yank your laptop when something trips over, so in this regard, everything Having a magnetic Type-C will benefit from it. There’s no advantage to have a proprietary port just for that.
There are several things that’s already better on the Type-C: smaller, reversible, public, modular and cheaper. If your MagSafe cable breaks, most would have no choice but to replace the adapter, not a problem for Type-C adapters.
This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models.
I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.
Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.
Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?
I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.
What’s your source for this?
Certainly not Apple.
Why on earth would I turn to Apple for the answer?
Of course not!
What is strange is that I provided a link to where the information probably came from so you know it wasn't Apple.
Because Apple is the only one who has the answer.
Here is the original question again:
"Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?"
To which Rogifan asked for a source.
I gave one.
The off topic point basically ended there, but...
You chime in with the source certainly wasn't Apple.
I asked why the source would be Apple.
You reply with 'because Apple is the only one who has the answer'.
I'm going to leave things as they are because there is no point taking things further and It is not butterfly keyboard related.
"So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations."
Only Apple knows sales numbers. Other companies hide sales numbers. Sometimes Apple will reveal numbers during earnings calls. Apple numbers are official.
I didn’t understand the point you we’re making, but now I see that’s because you’re answering a question Avon didn’t ask and not answering the one he did. With due respect, I found your argument really difficult to follow.
I can intentionally be vague sometimes to allow people to think. Here though I thought I was obvious.
Unless I read something wrong, THIS is what I followed:
Ikrupp brought up Apples innovations as being blasted by the media often and mentions Apple Watch design.
Avon of course follows the media and bashes Apple Watch design by saying it has less market share. Therefore not being as great as Apple thinks. He mentions a rumor about Apple thinking of going with a round face due to low sales expectations.
Rogifan asks for a source.
Avon admits he doesn't have one and then links to what seems to be an editorial piece.
The problem with all these rumors about sales is that only Apple knows how much they've sold. He also fails to mention Fitbit which is massively successful compared to android watches and would therefore add to Apples design share. He also fails to mention that tons of companies are selling round faces and comparing them to Apple. This is the same logic people use when claiming "Android sells more" as if it were a single phone manufacturer, pitting 1,000+ companies against Apple for the sake of proving Apple doesn't sell much.
My point: Apple knows the numbers. We don't.
Yes. You read it wrong. The mystery is how, but you plunked some Star Trek in here for good measure. For the record, this is what my question originated from:
"For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market"
Also for the record, I didn't reference any rumours at all. I didn't mention marketshare either. I simply posed a question. A very simple, clear question. On round smartwatch faces.
Fitbit is irrelevant. Most of what you wrote is irrelevant. You got the wrong end of the stick. You jumped to the wrong conclusion while barking up the wrong tree. Time to move on.
This article makes no sense. If the scissor keyboard is better, then Apple would adopt it on the MacBook Pro first - not as a minor change to only the Macbook Air. The article goes on to say that the scissor keyboard is much cheaper to produce, and since the MacBook Air is the cheapest notebook that Apple makes, if Apple is in fact intending such change ... that the change is entirely about saving some production costs on a low-cost machine, leaving the more expensive Butterfly design for the Pro models.
I quite like the new Butterfly design - it takes a little getting used to, my error rate is a little higher until I adapt from my desktop keyboard, but after a bit, it can be very fast and nice to use.
Tech blog forums exist in their own little universes. What is declared useless and unusable by tech blog forums is often quite popular in the real world. For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market. In tech blog forums all it takes is a single criticism to declare the entire design faulty, the “pile on” and “me too” paradigm.
Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?
I thought Apple's rectangular offering had less than a third of the market. The biggest problem seems to be that people haven't come round to non-round faces just yet. So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations.
What’s your source for this?
Certainly not Apple.
Why on earth would I turn to Apple for the answer?
Of course not!
What is strange is that I provided a link to where the information probably came from so you know it wasn't Apple.
Because Apple is the only one who has the answer.
Here is the original question again:
"Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?"
To which Rogifan asked for a source.
I gave one.
The off topic point basically ended there, but...
You chime in with the source certainly wasn't Apple.
I asked why the source would be Apple.
You reply with 'because Apple is the only one who has the answer'.
I'm going to leave things as they are because there is no point taking things further and It is not butterfly keyboard related.
"So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations."
Only Apple knows sales numbers. Other companies hide sales numbers. Sometimes Apple will reveal numbers during earnings calls. Apple numbers are official.
I didn’t understand the point you we’re making, but now I see that’s because you’re answering a question Avon didn’t ask and not answering the one he did. With due respect, I found your argument really difficult to follow.
I can intentionally be vague sometimes to allow people to think. Here though I thought I was obvious.
Unless I read something wrong, THIS is what I followed:
Ikrupp brought up Apples innovations as being blasted by the media often and mentions Apple Watch design.
Avon of course follows the media and bashes Apple Watch design by saying it has less market share. Therefore not being as great as Apple thinks. He mentions a rumor about Apple thinking of going with a round face due to low sales expectations.
Rogifan asks for a source.
Avon admits he doesn't have one and then links to what seems to be an editorial piece.
The problem with all these rumors about sales is that only Apple knows how much they've sold. He also fails to mention Fitbit which is massively successful compared to android watches and would therefore add to Apples design share. He also fails to mention that tons of companies are selling round faces and comparing them to Apple. This is the same logic people use when claiming "Android sells more" as if it were a single phone manufacturer, pitting 1,000+ companies against Apple for the sake of proving Apple doesn't sell much.
My point: Apple knows the numbers. We don't.
Yes. You read it wrong. The mystery is how, but you plunked some Star Trek in here for good measure. For the record, this is what my question originated from:
"For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market"
Also for the record, I didn't reference any rumours at all. I didn't mention marketshare either. I simply posed a question. A very simple, clear question. On round smartwatch faces.
Fitbit is irrelevant. Most of what you wrote is irrelevant. You got the wrong end of the stick. You jumped to the wrong conclusion while barking up the wrong tree. Time to move on.
Of course anything that destroys your stance is "irrelevant". Problem is, Fitbit is absolutely killing Android watches by copying Apple.
The closest to Apple beats the rest. We've seen it with Windows/Samsung/Huawei/Soundmates. History reapeats.
"Also for the record, I didn't reference any rumours at all."
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My question was simple enough to understand. My position was crystal clear and Rogifan asked a pretty logical question, which, out of courtesy, I had no issue providing an honest and clear answer to.
Now it's your turn to do the same.
Not taking the bait again.
If you can't see the illogical argument you brought you won't see the truth because you don't want to.
Certainly not Apple.
I think round faces are good as it keeps manufacturers from making Apple Watch knockoffs. Fitbit on the other hand.....
would it be a rMB replacement?
The question was this - and simple:
"Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?"
I don't profess to even know! As I said, I have zero interest in watches. But there is the question together with the reason I asked it.
All you have to do is answer it, and while
you're at it perhaps you could explain the presence of what looks like a plastic Captain Picard in your reply.
Of course not!
What is strange is that I provided a link to where the information probably came from so you know it wasn't Apple.
Because Apple is the only one who has the answer.
"Don't round faces dominate the smartwatch segment?"
To which Rogifan asked for a source.
I gave one.
The off topic point basically ended there, but...
You chime in with the source certainly wasn't Apple.
I asked why the source would be Apple.
You reply with 'because Apple is the only one who has the answer'.
I'm going to leave things as they are because there is no point taking things further and It is not butterfly keyboard related.
I know I wouldn't buy a 'butterfly' Mac or keyboard. And I'm an 'Apple Guy.'
And let's make the MBP a bit thicker, now that Jony is history, to allow for some more ports so I don't have to carry dongles. I don't mind a solid piece of hardware for my hard-earned money.
"So much so that there were even rumours here the other day about Apple Watch sales falling well below internal expectations."
Only Apple knows sales numbers. Other companies hide sales numbers. Sometimes Apple will reveal numbers during earnings calls. Apple numbers are official.
If the dust seals are addressed, there’s nothing wrong with the existing keyboards.
It’s a long standing matter: some prefer precise short-key-travel keyboards, others prefer clickedy-click long-key-travel keyboards.
I firmly fall in the first category.
I can intentionally be vague sometimes to allow people to think. Here though I thought I was obvious.
Unless I read something wrong, THIS is what I followed:
Ikrupp brought up Apples innovations as being blasted by the media often and mentions Apple Watch design.
Avon of course follows the media and bashes Apple Watch design by saying it has less market share. Therefore not being as great as Apple thinks. He mentions a rumor about Apple thinking of going with a round face due to low sales expectations.
Rogifan asks for a source.
Avon admits he doesn't have one and then links to what seems to be an editorial piece.
The problem with all these rumors about sales is that only Apple knows how much they've sold. He also fails to mention Fitbit which is massively successful compared to android watches and would therefore add to Apples design share. He also fails to mention that tons of companies are selling round faces and comparing them to Apple. This is the same logic people use when claiming "Android sells more" as if it were a single phone manufacturer, pitting 1,000+ companies against Apple for the sake of proving Apple doesn't sell much.
My point: Apple knows the numbers. We don't.
There are several things that’s already better on the Type-C: smaller, reversible, public, modular and cheaper. If your MagSafe cable breaks, most would have no choice but to replace the adapter, not a problem for Type-C adapters.
"For example, tech blog forums declared that a round face on a smartwatch was the ONLY proper design. Android watches had round faces so they were declared superior to the Watch. Only that didn’t happen in the real world did it. The Watch now completely dominates the smartwatch market"
Also for the record, I didn't reference any rumours at all. I didn't mention marketshare either. I simply posed a question. A very simple, clear question. On round smartwatch faces.
Fitbit is irrelevant. Most of what you wrote is irrelevant. You got the wrong end of the stick. You jumped to the wrong conclusion while barking up the wrong tree. Time to move on.
Of course anything that destroys your stance is "irrelevant". Problem is, Fitbit is absolutely killing Android watches by copying Apple.
The closest to Apple beats the rest. We've seen it with Windows/Samsung/Huawei/Soundmates. History reapeats.
"Also for the record, I didn't reference any rumours at all."
Oh so Rogifan was imagining your comment. Nice.