So after screwing Motorola to get their patents Google moved on to screw HTC to get their squeeze functions on the Pixel phones. Now it looks like they are working with LG to get their face recognition system and air gestures from the LG G8. Guess this is the end of LG.
The Soli chip (yes it's an actual chipset developed by Google)...
I appreciate you having this chip named after me. 🙏
So after screwing Motorola to get their patents Google moved on to screw HTC to get their squeeze functions on the Pixel phones. Now it looks like they are working with LG to get their face recognition system and air gestures from the LG G8. Guess this is the end of LG.
The Soli chip (yes it's an actual chipset developed by Google)...
I appreciate you having this chip named after me. 🙏
It's just as innovative as iPhone except your face is stored in some unknown data center.
Actually not, but you'd have to do a bit of reading about it to know any better.
Google's FaceID "image data never leaves your phone" and that the data is "never saved or shared with other Google services"... "...biometric data will be stored locally in a secure chip."
So much for the silly season posts about FaceID pictures being uploaded to servers and used for whatever. Google is implementing this just as securely as Apple according to blogs.
So Google is flat out once again copying Apple!!! Bad enough to copy FaceID, but they're copying all the things Apple is using. IR cameras, a dot projector, a flood illuminator, and an ambient light and proximity sensor. Wow, all the things Apple has been using which stood out from other types of Face Unlock when unlocked with a picture held up to the screen. Google has had no original ideas. Even Pixel phone has been a clone of the iPhone and now it's FaceID. As for the dumb Hand motion stuff, that's also has been done on other phones and really just a Gimmick which is why no one has done it since.
So Google is flat out once again copying Apple!!! Bad enough to copy FaceID, but they're copying all the things Apple is using. IR cameras, a dot projector, a flood illuminator, and an ambient light and proximity sensor. Wow, all the things Apple has been using which stood out from other types of Face Unlock when unlocked with a picture held up to the screen. Google has had no original ideas. Even Pixel phone has been a clone of the iPhone and now it's FaceID. As for the dumb Hand motion stuff, that's also has been done on other phones and really just a Gimmick which is why no one has done it since.
Didn't Apple copied Microsoft and Windows Hello from the Surface?
It's just as innovative as iPhone except your face is stored in some unknown data center.
If by unknown data center, you mean processed and stored locally on the phone and not shared with any other service (including Google's own services). Then yes, it's going to an "unknown data center".
Security and privacy are core principles for Pixel. Face unlock uses facial recognition technology that is processed on your device, so that image data never leaves your phone. The images used for face unlock are never saved or shared with other Google services. To protect your privacy and security, your face data is securely stored in Pixel's Titan M security chip. Similarly, Soli sensor data is also processed on your phone, and it’s never saved or shared with other Google services.
Even though Google took 3 fucking years to catch up to this (Apple wasn't lying when they claimed their system was years ahead of anything else) you can bet that it won't have half the considerations, touches, or security features that Face ID had when it first launched.
As for the gesture thing, seems like a Samsung-like Gimmick. Can't imagine many scenarios where this would have any use at all, especially for a device the size of a smartphone. Didn't Samsung do this years ago then drop it?
So after screwing Motorola to get their patents Google moved on to screw HTC to get their squeeze functions on the Pixel phones. Now it looks like they are working with LG to get their face recognition system and air gestures from the LG G8. Guess this is the end of LG.
The Soli chip (yes it's an actual chipset developed by Google)...
I appreciate you having this chip named after me. 🙏
The hand gestures thing would be great for a wide screen TV, not a tiny phone. I’m not sure another layer of interaction to the phone is what we need. If I can choose I’d choose to have LESS interactions. I think it’s time to have a phone that understands me more and works for me more than I works for them.
It's just as innovative as iPhone except your face is stored in some unknown data center.
If by unknown data center, you mean processed and stored locally on the phone and not shared with any other service (including Google's own services). Then yes, it's going to an "unknown data center".
Security and privacy are core principles for Pixel. Face unlock uses facial recognition technology that is processed on your device, so that image data never leaves your phone. The images used for face unlock are never saved or shared with other Google services. To protect your privacy and security, your face data is securely stored in Pixel's Titan M security chip. Similarly, Soli sensor data is also processed on your phone, and it’s never saved or shared with other Google services.
Yeah, Google can say whatever they want. When they’re caught red hand they’ll say it’s just a bug doh.
So Google is flat out once again copying Apple!!! Bad enough to copy FaceID, but they're copying all the things Apple is using. IR cameras, a dot projector, a flood illuminator, and an ambient light and proximity sensor. Wow, all the things Apple has been using which stood out from other types of Face Unlock when unlocked with a picture held up to the screen. Google has had no original ideas. Even Pixel phone has been a clone of the iPhone and now it's FaceID. As for the dumb Hand motion stuff, that's also has been done on other phones and really just a Gimmick which is why no one has done it since.
Didn't Apple copied Microsoft and Windows Hello from the Surface?
Face Unlocking is not some NEW concept. Apple's way of doing it with FaceID and using all these hardware components was ONLY Apple. Google is copying how Apple has been doing its Face Unlock using the same sensors as Apple. That is just flat out copying, just like Google has Flat out copied iPhone designs overall. Microsoft Hello can use either an iris scanner, a fingerprint reader, or a special near-infrared 3D camera. Apple's FaceID works completely different. On the other hand, Google is copying Apple's use of IR camera, dot projector, flood illuminator, etc. It's flat out using everything Apple is doing. Samesung has had their own Face Unlock using a Camera which has been easily fooled by a picture. But at least so far, they hadn't copied Apple which was surprising, instead, Google is the one once again doing it.
I could care less if Google had some type of Face Unlocking. It's not some NEW thing. What I care about is copying exactly how Apple is doing it. Not only that, doing the same as Apple is storing in in a Security area on a chip on the phone just like Apple. It's flat out ripping off Apple.
There's COPYING and then there's INNOVATION. Copying is what Google is doing. Innovation is seeing something and going hey, I can do an even better job and improve from there. This is like taking something like the Wheel. You can be Google and just copy that Wood Wagon wheel someone else has already been doing. Or you Innovate. Where, while it is a wheel, it's rubber around a rim. To Rubber on a rim with Air inside a tube giving you a softer ride, in a BIAS type tire. Hey, lets not even have a tube, now we have tubeless tires, then BIAS to Radial tires. All these are a WHEEL. Innovation, seeing something and making it better and better. Taking an idea and making it your own. Then you have the other guy, just copying what they see. Same sensors to do the same thing to COPY. Zero Innovation.
Google could have seen what Microsoft did, and Apple did, and go, Ummm, Let's go this direction and Innovate. Nope, that takes to much effort. Copying is much easier. TouchID, when it came out, was Amazing. Sure there were Fingerprint scanners in the past. I had a few of them and they stunk. Apple was also the first to combine such a good scanner with a button. Which is how TouchID was part of the Home Button and not some separate thing someplace else. Then everyone started copying Apple. FaceID is more complex using a number of things all of which Google is copying. Even Samesung didn't sink this low as they normally do.
The Pixel phones, in general, have been all about trying to copy the iPhone and everything else including Apple. Including things like Price points. It's why Google tossed their low-cost Nexus phones. There was no money to be made there. So they dropped that, created a new Pixel Line in which they copied most everything Apple has been doing. Phones have been almost clones of iPhones. Features clones of iPhones, price points, clones of iPhones. Really have to be blind to not see it.
So Google is flat out once again copying Apple!!! Bad enough to copy FaceID, but they're copying all the things Apple is using. IR cameras, a dot projector, a flood illuminator, and an ambient light and proximity sensor. Wow, all the things Apple has been using which stood out from other types of Face Unlock when unlocked with a picture held up to the screen. Google has had no original ideas. Even Pixel phone has been a clone of the iPhone and now it's FaceID. As for the dumb Hand motion stuff, that's also has been done on other phones and really just a Gimmick which is why no one has done it since.
Didn't Apple copied Microsoft and Windows Hello from the Surface?
Face Unlocking is not some NEW concept. Apple's way of doing it with FaceID and using all these hardware components was ONLY Apple. Google is copying how Apple has been doing its Face Unlock using the same sensors as Apple... I could care less if Google had some type of Face Unlocking. It's not some NEW thing. What I care about is copying exactly how Apple is doing it. Not only that, doing the same as Apple is storing in in a Security area on a chip on the phone just like Apple. It's flat out ripping off Apple.
For what it's worth Google had a "secure enclave" before Apple did AFAIK, intro'd with Google Wallet in 2011 which also encrypted transactions with a unique number in place of your actual CC number. Apple took what Google had designed, made it better (benefitting from a lot better timing too) and voila Apple Pay. I doubt there's fans out there bitching about it.
Samsung tried it and was a total failure as a simple picture could defeat it. I would wait for experts to test it before buying it.
The Samsung implementation was not the same as the one mentioned here and it was designed for convenience, not security. In fact it was impossible to activate without getting a warning on security and it couldn't be used for payments either.
It's just as innovative as iPhone except your face is stored in some unknown data center.
If by unknown data center, you mean processed and stored locally on the phone and not shared with any other service (including Google's own services). Then yes, it's going to an "unknown data center".
Security and privacy are core principles for Pixel. Face unlock uses facial recognition technology that is processed on your device, so that image data never leaves your phone. The images used for face unlock are never saved or shared with other Google services. To protect your privacy and security, your face data is securely stored in Pixel's Titan M security chip. Similarly, Soli sensor data is also processed on your phone, and it’s never saved or shared with other Google services.
Nice to see they're trying to be Apple again.
The problem is Google also said they wouldn't hack our home networks, wouldn't bypass our wifi passwords, said they wouldn't track us, said their mapping cars were only for mapping while secretly using them as spy vehicles and now are saying this.
It's just as innovative as iPhone except your face is stored in some unknown data center.
If by unknown data center, you mean processed and stored locally on the phone and not shared with any other service (including Google's own services). Then yes, it's going to an "unknown data center".
Security and privacy are core principles for Pixel. Face unlock uses facial recognition technology that is processed on your device, so that image data never leaves your phone. The images used for face unlock are never saved or shared with other Google services. To protect your privacy and security, your face data is securely stored in Pixel's Titan M security chip. Similarly, Soli sensor data is also processed on your phone, and it’s never saved or shared with other Google services.
Nice to see they're trying to be Apple again.
The problem is Google also said they wouldn't hack our home networks, wouldn't bypass our wifi passwords, said they wouldn't track us, said their mapping cars were only for mapping while secretly using them as spy vehicles and now are saying this.
I know about the last one (bad Google) but no idea about the first two (networks and wifi) and AFAIK they never said locations weren't logged in user data.
Even though Google took 3 fucking years to catch up to this (Apple wasn't lying when they claimed their system was years ahead of anything else) you can bet that it won't have half the considerations, touches, or security features that Face ID had when it first launched.
As for the gesture thing, seems like a Samsung-like Gimmick. Can't imagine many scenarios where this would have any use at all, especially for a device the size of a smartphone. Didn't Samsung do this years ago then drop it?
The iPhone X came out Fall 2017, not 2016.
Soli in a phone is very different from pretty much anything before it.
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Google's FaceID "image data never leaves your phone" and that the data is "never saved or shared with other Google services"...
"...biometric data will be stored locally in a secure chip."
So much for the silly season posts about FaceID pictures being uploaded to servers and used for whatever. Google is implementing this just as securely as Apple according to blogs.
https://www.blog.google/products/pixel/new-features-pixel4/
I could care less if Google had some type of Face Unlocking. It's not some NEW thing. What I care about is copying exactly how Apple is doing it. Not only that, doing the same as Apple is storing in in a Security area on a chip on the phone just like Apple. It's flat out ripping off Apple.
There's COPYING and then there's INNOVATION. Copying is what Google is doing. Innovation is seeing something and going hey, I can do an even better job and improve from there. This is like taking something like the Wheel. You can be Google and just copy that Wood Wagon wheel someone else has already been doing. Or you Innovate. Where, while it is a wheel, it's rubber around a rim. To Rubber on a rim with Air inside a tube giving you a softer ride, in a BIAS type tire. Hey, lets not even have a tube, now we have tubeless tires, then BIAS to Radial tires. All these are a WHEEL. Innovation, seeing something and making it better and better. Taking an idea and making it your own. Then you have the other guy, just copying what they see. Same sensors to do the same thing to COPY. Zero Innovation.
Google could have seen what Microsoft did, and Apple did, and go, Ummm, Let's go this direction and Innovate. Nope, that takes to much effort. Copying is much easier. TouchID, when it came out, was Amazing. Sure there were Fingerprint scanners in the past. I had a few of them and they stunk. Apple was also the first to combine such a good scanner with a button. Which is how TouchID was part of the Home Button and not some separate thing someplace else. Then everyone started copying Apple. FaceID is more complex using a number of things all of which Google is copying. Even Samesung didn't sink this low as they normally do.
The Pixel phones, in general, have been all about trying to copy the iPhone and everything else including Apple. Including things like Price points. It's why Google tossed their low-cost Nexus phones. There was no money to be made there. So they dropped that, created a new Pixel Line in which they copied most everything Apple has been doing. Phones have been almost clones of iPhones. Features clones of iPhones, price points, clones of iPhones. Really have to be blind to not see it.
Apple took what Google had designed, made it better (benefitting from a lot better timing too) and voila Apple Pay. I doubt there's fans out there bitching about it.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/how-to/how-google-wallet-works/
Sound a lot like how Apple Pay works, even using a hardware-based "secure element" some 3 years before Apple give or take..
Nice to see they're trying to be Apple again.
The problem is Google also said they wouldn't hack our home networks, wouldn't bypass our wifi passwords, said they wouldn't track us, said their mapping cars were only for mapping while secretly using them as spy vehicles and now are saying this.
Soli in a phone is very different from pretty much anything before it.
Here's Project Soli in 2015:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QNiZfSsPc0