Google's Pixel 4 phone implementing system similar to Apple's Face ID

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    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,506member
    jbdragon said:
    danvm said:
    jbdragon said:
    So Google is flat out once again copying Apple!!! Bad enough to copy FaceID, but they're copying all the things Apple is using. IR cameras, a dot projector, a flood illuminator, and an ambient light and proximity sensor. Wow, all the things Apple has been using which stood out from other types of Face Unlock when unlocked with a picture held up to the screen. Google has had no original ideas. Even Pixel phone has been a clone of the iPhone and now it's FaceID. As for the dumb Hand motion stuff, that's also has been done on other phones and really just a Gimmick which is why no one has done it since.
    Didn't Apple copied Microsoft and Windows Hello from the Surface? 
    Face Unlocking is not some NEW concept.  Apple's way of doing it with FaceID and using all these hardware components was ONLY Apple.  Google is copying how Apple has been doing its Face Unlock using the same sensors as Apple.  That is just flat out copying, just like Google has Flat out copied iPhone designs overall.  Microsoft Hello can use either an iris scanner, a fingerprint reader, or a special near-infrared 3D camera.   Apple's FaceID works completely different.  On the other hand, Google is copying Apple's use of IR camera, dot projector, flood illuminator, etc.  It's flat out using everything Apple is doing.  Samesung has had their own Face Unlock using a Camera which has been easily fooled by a picture.  But at least so far, they hadn't copied Apple which was surprising, instead, Google is the one once again doing it.

    I could care less if Google had some type of Face Unlocking.  It's not some NEW thing.  What I care about is copying exactly how Apple is doing it.  Not only that, doing the same as Apple is storing in in a Security area on a chip on the phone just like Apple.  It's flat out ripping off Apple.  

    There's COPYING and then there's INNOVATION.  Copying is what Google is doing.  Innovation is seeing something and going hey, I can do an even better job and improve from there.  This is like taking something like the Wheel.  You can be Google and just copy that Wood Wagon wheel someone else has already been doing.  Or you Innovate.  Where, while it is a wheel, it's rubber around a rim.  To Rubber on a rim with Air inside a tube giving you a softer ride, in a BIAS type tire.  Hey, lets not even have a tube, now we have tubeless tires, then BIAS to Radial tires.    All these are a WHEEL.   Innovation, seeing something and making it better and better.  Taking an idea and making it your own.  Then you have the other guy, just copying what they see.  Same sensors to do the same thing to COPY.  Zero Innovation.

    Google could have seen what Microsoft did, and Apple did, and go, Ummm, Let's go this direction and Innovate.  Nope, that takes to much effort.  Copying is much easier.  TouchID, when it came out, was Amazing.  Sure there were Fingerprint scanners in the past.  I had a few of them and they stunk.  Apple was also the first to combine such a good scanner with a button.  Which is how TouchID was part of the Home Button and not some separate thing someplace else.  Then everyone started copying Apple.  FaceID is more complex using a number of things all of which Google is copying.  Even Samesung didn't sink this low as they normally do.

    The Pixel phones, in general, have been all about trying to copy the iPhone and everything else including Apple.  Including things like Price points.  It's why Google tossed their low-cost Nexus phones.  There was no money to be made there.  So they dropped that, created a new Pixel Line in which they copied most everything Apple has been doing.  Phones have been almost clones of iPhones.  Features clones of iPhones, price points, clones of iPhones.   Really  have to be blind to not see it.   

    Apple did copy MS in some areas, like using IR cameras and a secure enclave (T2 chip / TPM) chip to secure the login process.  Apple even acquire PrimeSense, the same company MS use to develop the technology in the Kinect.  Apple may have some innovations with FaceID, but part of the development and technology was already used by MS in the Kinect, the Surface and Windows Hello.  So, yes Apple copied MS and innovate and the same time.  

    Did Google copied FaceID at a 100%?  I'm not sure.  We'll have to wait the full details.  What is clear is that MS was ahead of Apple and Google, took that innovation and put it to work in devices in a secure way.
    edited July 2019
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