iPhone 11: How Apple makes tech of the future affordable

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  • Reply 41 of 101
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,902member
    Notsofast said:

    DED IMHO has gone from commentator to Apple apologist.

    I don’t remember the writer of Roughly Drafted turning a blind eye to Apple’s shortcomings. 

    The reality is right now, there aren’t a lot of people who will be willing to pay $1k for a smartphone, whether it’s Apple or Samsung. Just read some of the comments on sites that are reviewing the Samsung Note 10, especially the 5G version. 

    Apple had to do something to get more people to upgrade rather than hold on to their devices even longer.  Dropping the price of the iPhone 11 $50 cheaper than the XR was a start, including a free year of Apple TV+ family helps, but there are still plenty of iPhone users who are not loyal to Apple and this is what affects the bottom line. 

    In the days days before the iPhone, Apple loyalists were the ones keeping Apple profitable, and in turn Apple made products we loved.
    Once the iPhone was released, people
    who never bought anything Apple were flashing their devices around as if they were a status symbol of their wealth, taste or intelligence. It’s popularity was it’s attraction, not it’s ease of use, or how powerful it can be. 

    Apple was addicted to the attention and started  releasing more and more products that while were still attractive to Apple loyalists, they also had things that they didn’t like about them, like soldered memory and hard drives and plenty of quality programs that dealt with issues that Apple should have predicted. It didn’t affect sales, Apple was like a bear catching salmon during spawning season, it just can’t miss. 

    Now, people are still weary of trusting Apple after that stupid battery replacement program. 
    They don’t want to upgrade for 1k or even $700. You can try to spin it and give the customer the monthly cost because that’s more  palatable, but customers are not stupid. They played that game already with the carriers.

    There are millions of iphone users who don’t really use their device to its potential and they are realizing that. This is why they are willing to abandon Apple and buy a cheap android phone.

    So now Apple has to win their business all over again. Apple retail isn’t prepared to explain why an iPhone is better than other devices. They don’t have Apple loyalists as employees anymore, they have more people who think it’s cool to work there but don’t know enough about Apple products.   

    You lost us when you claimed "The reality is right now, there aren’t a lot of people who will be willing to pay $1k for a smartphone, whether it’s Apple or Samsung. "  Newsflash, OVER A HUNDRED MILLION people worldwide have bought one of Apple's $1K phones, and this year TENS of MILLIONS more will buy one.  Other than hundreds of millions, you're right, not many people. LOL. 

    And elsewhere on the fake news front, more people continue to switch to iPhone from Android, then the other way around as you claim. 
    Don't forget that that is over a hundred million but out of 1.5 billion sold in just 2018.

    Seen in context, it isn't a lot.

    How are you calculating the switchers to iOS and vice versa?
    muthuk_vanalingamchemengin1
  • Reply 42 of 101
    1348513485 Posts: 361member
    nubus said:
    ... OLED and 3D Touch are gone. A13 is a minor twist on A12 which itself was a 7nm shrink of the A11 Bionic in the X. 

    But notice how this doesn't happen on the Mac. A PowerMac used to be $2000. Now Mac Pro starts at $6000. Not that you can buy one. The CPU used by Apple is a commodity and not some expensive to design PowerPC. On laptops the cost of ownership has soared. The Touch Bar and Touch ID adds cost and 1 hour of repair time. Replacing the battery is super expensive. Apple is doing a terrible job on the Mac.
    OLED and 3D are gone because they were little used or noticed. Has anyone after the Apple event bemoaned their absence? No. And to say A13 is a minor twist blah blah is to imply that it is not at least a generation ahead of the competition, as if these advances are trivial and easily achieved by everyone. Just "a shrink" indeed.

    As far as Macs, a PowerMac used to be $2000, yeah, and an SE 30 used to be $3200. And it doesn't matter if the MacPro is $6000 because I daresay, with no disrespect intended, that there is nothing you do on a computer that can't be done on a current iMac, and that's true for 98% of the Mac buyers--actually computer buyers in general.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 43 of 101
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,441member
    avon b7 said:
    Notsofast said:

    DED IMHO has gone from commentator to Apple apologist.

    I don’t remember the writer of Roughly Drafted turning a blind eye to Apple’s shortcomings. 

    The reality is right now, there aren’t a lot of people who will be willing to pay $1k for a smartphone, whether it’s Apple or Samsung. Just read some of the comments on sites that are reviewing the Samsung Note 10, especially the 5G version. 

    Apple had to do something to get more people to upgrade rather than hold on to their devices even longer.  Dropping the price of the iPhone 11 $50 cheaper than the XR was a start, including a free year of Apple TV+ family helps, but there are still plenty of iPhone users who are not loyal to Apple and this is what affects the bottom line. 

    In the days days before the iPhone, Apple loyalists were the ones keeping Apple profitable, and in turn Apple made products we loved.
    Once the iPhone was released, people
    who never bought anything Apple were flashing their devices around as if they were a status symbol of their wealth, taste or intelligence. It’s popularity was it’s attraction, not it’s ease of use, or how powerful it can be. 

    Apple was addicted to the attention and started  releasing more and more products that while were still attractive to Apple loyalists, they also had things that they didn’t like about them, like soldered memory and hard drives and plenty of quality programs that dealt with issues that Apple should have predicted. It didn’t affect sales, Apple was like a bear catching salmon during spawning season, it just can’t miss. 

    Now, people are still weary of trusting Apple after that stupid battery replacement program. 
    They don’t want to upgrade for 1k or even $700. You can try to spin it and give the customer the monthly cost because that’s more  palatable, but customers are not stupid. They played that game already with the carriers.

    There are millions of iphone users who don’t really use their device to its potential and they are realizing that. This is why they are willing to abandon Apple and buy a cheap android phone.

    So now Apple has to win their business all over again. Apple retail isn’t prepared to explain why an iPhone is better than other devices. They don’t have Apple loyalists as employees anymore, they have more people who think it’s cool to work there but don’t know enough about Apple products.   

    You lost us when you claimed "The reality is right now, there aren’t a lot of people who will be willing to pay $1k for a smartphone, whether it’s Apple or Samsung. "  Newsflash, OVER A HUNDRED MILLION people worldwide have bought one of Apple's $1K phones, and this year TENS of MILLIONS more will buy one.  Other than hundreds of millions, you're right, not many people. LOL. 

    And elsewhere on the fake news front, more people continue to switch to iPhone from Android, then the other way around as you claim. 
    Don't forget that that is over a hundred million but out of 1.5 billion sold in just 2018.

    Seen in context, it isn't a lot.

    How are you calculating the switchers to iOS and vice versa?
    Well, Apple is still generating most of the Profits in smartphones, if you actually want context of success.
    edited September 2019 StrangeDaysbakedbananaswatto_cobra
  • Reply 44 of 101
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,077member
    k2kw said:
    Great article. One correction: the iPhone 11 price starts at $699 with 64GB, not $650.
    I'm to busy rolling on the floor to read this now.    DED spends years saying apple shouldn't lower prices on their phones and now he flips his tune.   I really believe that this was written up before the unveiling and he just copied and pasted and then posted this editorial with the $650 price point.    I think he's just like PRAVDA arguing for what ever the Communist party says NOW ignoring what they wrote the week before.    LMAO.   Now I am glad that Apple responded and lowered prices $50 (not the pre-imagined $100) .    

    I'm looking forward to the tear-down video from iFixit.    I'll buy the iPhone when the QualComm chip is back in it.  Hopefully this year, maybe next at the latest.    I expect when the QualComm chip is back in it DED will  pull another 180 and write a pro QC article.
    If Apple had raised prices the other day we’d be getting an “editorial” about how what matters is profit share not market share and if people want cheap they should buy an Android. That’s why you can’t take DED’s “editorials” seriously. He’s like Lou Dobbs on Fox Business shilling for whatever position Trump has taken on the day.
    Yep.

    and I am waiting for the Editorial where DED says AppleTV doesn’t need to be upgraded and Apple doesn’t need to sell its own game controller.

    of course we won’t have an article from Joanna Stern attacking him on FlipFlopping on Apple lower price because she’s has more class.
    chemengin1muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 45 of 101
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,902member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Notsofast said:

    DED IMHO has gone from commentator to Apple apologist.

    I don’t remember the writer of Roughly Drafted turning a blind eye to Apple’s shortcomings. 

    The reality is right now, there aren’t a lot of people who will be willing to pay $1k for a smartphone, whether it’s Apple or Samsung. Just read some of the comments on sites that are reviewing the Samsung Note 10, especially the 5G version. 

    Apple had to do something to get more people to upgrade rather than hold on to their devices even longer.  Dropping the price of the iPhone 11 $50 cheaper than the XR was a start, including a free year of Apple TV+ family helps, but there are still plenty of iPhone users who are not loyal to Apple and this is what affects the bottom line. 

    In the days days before the iPhone, Apple loyalists were the ones keeping Apple profitable, and in turn Apple made products we loved.
    Once the iPhone was released, people
    who never bought anything Apple were flashing their devices around as if they were a status symbol of their wealth, taste or intelligence. It’s popularity was it’s attraction, not it’s ease of use, or how powerful it can be. 

    Apple was addicted to the attention and started  releasing more and more products that while were still attractive to Apple loyalists, they also had things that they didn’t like about them, like soldered memory and hard drives and plenty of quality programs that dealt with issues that Apple should have predicted. It didn’t affect sales, Apple was like a bear catching salmon during spawning season, it just can’t miss. 

    Now, people are still weary of trusting Apple after that stupid battery replacement program. 
    They don’t want to upgrade for 1k or even $700. You can try to spin it and give the customer the monthly cost because that’s more  palatable, but customers are not stupid. They played that game already with the carriers.

    There are millions of iphone users who don’t really use their device to its potential and they are realizing that. This is why they are willing to abandon Apple and buy a cheap android phone.

    So now Apple has to win their business all over again. Apple retail isn’t prepared to explain why an iPhone is better than other devices. They don’t have Apple loyalists as employees anymore, they have more people who think it’s cool to work there but don’t know enough about Apple products.   

    You lost us when you claimed "The reality is right now, there aren’t a lot of people who will be willing to pay $1k for a smartphone, whether it’s Apple or Samsung. "  Newsflash, OVER A HUNDRED MILLION people worldwide have bought one of Apple's $1K phones, and this year TENS of MILLIONS more will buy one.  Other than hundreds of millions, you're right, not many people. LOL. 

    And elsewhere on the fake news front, more people continue to switch to iPhone from Android, then the other way around as you claim. 
    Don't forget that that is over a hundred million but out of 1.5 billion sold in just 2018.

    Seen in context, it isn't a lot.

    How are you calculating the switchers to iOS and vice versa?
    Well, Apple is still generating most of the Profits in smartphones, if you actually want context of success.
    Which has largely sat in the bank for a decade. That's the kind of success I see little value in.

    Then, if you look the trend, you see that even that is slipping.
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 46 of 101
    avon b7 said:
    This may be thr most hypocritical article I've ever read. On 8/28 the same author posted this about night sight on Android phones:

    What's often left out is the fact that the processing needed to deliver these low light images requires that users hold their phone still for around 6 seconds

    14 days ago that was posted to discount the value of the night sight feature. Now in this article he praises the new iPhone for taking a night sight photo in around 5 seconds. 
    The quote here is taken out of context. The fact it takes 6 seconds is not the main point. It is not even close to the main point. The main point about night mode with Google Pixel and Huawei Honor in that DED article (link below) is that it doesn't actually work very well, and results in fake-looking pictures if you are photographing anything other than still life images.

    https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/08/28/editorial-iphone-11-design-will-advance-apples-mobile-imaging-lead

    So when Apple introduces this capability, it uses an image of a person. iPhone does it better. This is pretty much exactly the point of DED's prediction article from August 28 -- the iPhone 11 will advance Apple's lead in mobile imaging. True to form, Apple now does night mode better than the competition.
    You need to read the comments on his pieces to get a better idea of what is real and what is twisted. Many of us have actually stopped reading them as they lack any balance and often credibility.

    You have highlighted a good example and you are rehashing what was said in that article but what was claimed wasn't presented correctly. In fact the claims you are making (that came from that article) are incorrect as a result.

    Please read the comments on that piece where I specifically quoted the article he linked to.
    But none of that changes the fact that gregjaehn3's drive-by influencer post was disingenuous at best. 

    I followed up your other point and you are correct, as you know. DED did completely misrepresent what Joshua Swingle said. It's not defensible, but I will point out that his basic prediction in that article, that the iPhone 11 Pro would keep Apple out in front with respect to mobile imaging, was accurate. It's just that he missed an easy way to gauge Apple's responsiveness and agility in the marketplace by not asking the obvious question at that point: Will iPhone 11 have night mode? I mean, it's obviously something people want in the real world. For Apple to maintain their lead, they would have to catch up there. It seems they did. So good for them!

    So in his defense, I'll say that it is hard to do what he does. In retrospect it is obvious that Apple needed to respond to night mode. But in real time, it's not so easy to be clear-headed and think things completely through. You have a deadline and you go with what you've got. You don't get a do-over.

    I haven't read the thread you refer to, but I'll say in general that the arrogance of many commenters is astounding. I don't mean you, not necessarily. I just mean it's hard to stay on top of all this and also see the big picture. You're going to make mistakes. That said, it doesn't excuse what Daniel did there.
    edited September 2019 muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 47 of 101
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,441member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Notsofast said:

    DED IMHO has gone from commentator to Apple apologist.

    I don’t remember the writer of Roughly Drafted turning a blind eye to Apple’s shortcomings. 

    The reality is right now, there aren’t a lot of people who will be willing to pay $1k for a smartphone, whether it’s Apple or Samsung. Just read some of the comments on sites that are reviewing the Samsung Note 10, especially the 5G version. 

    Apple had to do something to get more people to upgrade rather than hold on to their devices even longer.  Dropping the price of the iPhone 11 $50 cheaper than the XR was a start, including a free year of Apple TV+ family helps, but there are still plenty of iPhone users who are not loyal to Apple and this is what affects the bottom line. 

    In the days days before the iPhone, Apple loyalists were the ones keeping Apple profitable, and in turn Apple made products we loved.
    Once the iPhone was released, people
    who never bought anything Apple were flashing their devices around as if they were a status symbol of their wealth, taste or intelligence. It’s popularity was it’s attraction, not it’s ease of use, or how powerful it can be. 

    Apple was addicted to the attention and started  releasing more and more products that while were still attractive to Apple loyalists, they also had things that they didn’t like about them, like soldered memory and hard drives and plenty of quality programs that dealt with issues that Apple should have predicted. It didn’t affect sales, Apple was like a bear catching salmon during spawning season, it just can’t miss. 

    Now, people are still weary of trusting Apple after that stupid battery replacement program. 
    They don’t want to upgrade for 1k or even $700. You can try to spin it and give the customer the monthly cost because that’s more  palatable, but customers are not stupid. They played that game already with the carriers.

    There are millions of iphone users who don’t really use their device to its potential and they are realizing that. This is why they are willing to abandon Apple and buy a cheap android phone.

    So now Apple has to win their business all over again. Apple retail isn’t prepared to explain why an iPhone is better than other devices. They don’t have Apple loyalists as employees anymore, they have more people who think it’s cool to work there but don’t know enough about Apple products.   

    You lost us when you claimed "The reality is right now, there aren’t a lot of people who will be willing to pay $1k for a smartphone, whether it’s Apple or Samsung. "  Newsflash, OVER A HUNDRED MILLION people worldwide have bought one of Apple's $1K phones, and this year TENS of MILLIONS more will buy one.  Other than hundreds of millions, you're right, not many people. LOL. 

    And elsewhere on the fake news front, more people continue to switch to iPhone from Android, then the other way around as you claim. 
    Don't forget that that is over a hundred million but out of 1.5 billion sold in just 2018.

    Seen in context, it isn't a lot.

    How are you calculating the switchers to iOS and vice versa?
    Well, Apple is still generating most of the Profits in smartphones, if you actually want context of success.
    Which has largely sat in the bank for a decade. That's the kind of success I see little value in.

    Then, if you look the trend, you see that even that is slipping.
    With a recession on the horizon, Apple will be Golden. Most other smartphone OEM's, not so much.

    Even if that trend is "slipping", you always fail to note that Apple's iPhone is less than half of Apple's business, and there are plenty of Apple products and services on the roadmap to continue growth.
    edited September 2019 StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 48 of 101
    mjtomlinmjtomlin Posts: 2,681member
    nubus said:
    iPhone 11 is far from X. OLED and 3D Touch are gone. A13 is a minor twist on A12 which itself was a 7nm shrink of the A11 Bionic in the X. Apple is doing a great job at stripping features and standing still in certain areas to let costs come down. 

    First of all, not sure why you're comparing iPhone 11 with X? iPhone 11 is positioned the same as the iPhone 8 of that generation, and iPhone XR of from last year.

    A13 has a 20% performance gain with 40% less power draw over the A12. How in the hell can you consider that minor? You do understand this is a mobile device, right? These chips are already considered overpowered as it is, so being able to reduce power consumption is probably at the top of everyone's list.

    2019, iPhone 11 $699, 2018, iPhone XR $749 ... $50 dollars cheaper, explain what was stripped to bring that cost down?
    edited September 2019 tmaywatto_cobra
  • Reply 49 of 101
    k2kw said:
    Great article. One correction: the iPhone 11 price starts at $699 with 64GB, not $650.
    I'm to busy rolling on the floor to read this now.    DED spends years saying apple shouldn't lower prices on their phones and now he flips his tune.   I really believe that this was written up before the unveiling and he just copied and pasted and then posted this editorial with the $650 price point.    I think he's just like PRAVDA arguing for what ever the Communist party says NOW ignoring what they wrote the week before.    LMAO.   Now I am glad that Apple responded and lowered prices $50 (not the pre-imagined $100) .    

    I'm looking forward to the tear-down video from iFixit.    I'll buy the iPhone when the QualComm chip is back in it.  Hopefully this year, maybe next at the latest.    I expect when the QualComm chip is back in it DED will  pull another 180 and write a pro QC article.
    Not remotely true. I didn't write Apple shouldn't have lower prices. I've pretty consistently stated that when you introduce technology at a higher end point you have room to bring the price down as you mass-produce it, via economies of scale. That's what I wrote here. 

    The alternative is bringing middling tech to market at low prices that can't drop, and will be obsolete before they can be resold for any lower, ie Pixel. 
    tmayStrangeDaysbakedbananaswatto_cobra
  • Reply 50 of 101
    k2kw said:
    Great article. One correction: the iPhone 11 price starts at $699 with 64GB, not $650.
    I'm to busy rolling on the floor to read this now.    DED spends years saying apple shouldn't lower prices on their phones and now he flips his tune.   I really believe that this was written up before the unveiling and he just copied and pasted and then posted this editorial with the $650 price point.    I think he's just like PRAVDA arguing for what ever the Communist party says NOW ignoring what they wrote the week before.    LMAO.   Now I am glad that Apple responded and lowered prices $50 (not the pre-imagined $100) .    

    I'm looking forward to the tear-down video from iFixit.    I'll buy the iPhone when the QualComm chip is back in it.  Hopefully this year, maybe next at the latest.    I expect when the QualComm chip is back in it DED will  pull another 180 and write a pro QC article.
    If Apple had raised prices the other day we’d be getting an “editorial” about how what matters is profit share not market share and if people want cheap they should buy an Android. That’s why you can’t take DED’s “editorials” seriously. He’s like Lou Dobbs on Fox Business shilling for whatever position Trump has taken on the day.
    I'm sorry you have self-esteem problems. Maybe talk to a therapist rather than smear hateful rants on a blog. 
    StrangeDaysbakedbananaswatto_cobra
  • Reply 51 of 101
    1348513485 Posts: 361member
    If Apple had raised prices the other day we’d be getting an “editorial” about how what matters is profit share not market share and if people want cheap they should buy an Android. That’s why you can’t take DED’s “editorials” seriously. He’s like Lou Dobbs on Fox Business shilling for whatever position Trump has taken on the day.
    I'm sorry you have self-esteem problems. Maybe talk to a therapist rather than smear hateful rants on a blog. 
    Well, I was going to say that "hateful" was an over-the-top word choice...but for cripes sake he compared you to Lou Dobbs, a feeble-brained useless waste of carbon, water and oxygen, so OK, hateful it is.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 52 of 101
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,902member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Notsofast said:

    DED IMHO has gone from commentator to Apple apologist.

    I don’t remember the writer of Roughly Drafted turning a blind eye to Apple’s shortcomings. 

    The reality is right now, there aren’t a lot of people who will be willing to pay $1k for a smartphone, whether it’s Apple or Samsung. Just read some of the comments on sites that are reviewing the Samsung Note 10, especially the 5G version. 

    Apple had to do something to get more people to upgrade rather than hold on to their devices even longer.  Dropping the price of the iPhone 11 $50 cheaper than the XR was a start, including a free year of Apple TV+ family helps, but there are still plenty of iPhone users who are not loyal to Apple and this is what affects the bottom line. 

    In the days days before the iPhone, Apple loyalists were the ones keeping Apple profitable, and in turn Apple made products we loved.
    Once the iPhone was released, people
    who never bought anything Apple were flashing their devices around as if they were a status symbol of their wealth, taste or intelligence. It’s popularity was it’s attraction, not it’s ease of use, or how powerful it can be. 

    Apple was addicted to the attention and started  releasing more and more products that while were still attractive to Apple loyalists, they also had things that they didn’t like about them, like soldered memory and hard drives and plenty of quality programs that dealt with issues that Apple should have predicted. It didn’t affect sales, Apple was like a bear catching salmon during spawning season, it just can’t miss. 

    Now, people are still weary of trusting Apple after that stupid battery replacement program. 
    They don’t want to upgrade for 1k or even $700. You can try to spin it and give the customer the monthly cost because that’s more  palatable, but customers are not stupid. They played that game already with the carriers.

    There are millions of iphone users who don’t really use their device to its potential and they are realizing that. This is why they are willing to abandon Apple and buy a cheap android phone.

    So now Apple has to win their business all over again. Apple retail isn’t prepared to explain why an iPhone is better than other devices. They don’t have Apple loyalists as employees anymore, they have more people who think it’s cool to work there but don’t know enough about Apple products.   

    You lost us when you claimed "The reality is right now, there aren’t a lot of people who will be willing to pay $1k for a smartphone, whether it’s Apple or Samsung. "  Newsflash, OVER A HUNDRED MILLION people worldwide have bought one of Apple's $1K phones, and this year TENS of MILLIONS more will buy one.  Other than hundreds of millions, you're right, not many people. LOL. 

    And elsewhere on the fake news front, more people continue to switch to iPhone from Android, then the other way around as you claim. 
    Don't forget that that is over a hundred million but out of 1.5 billion sold in just 2018.

    Seen in context, it isn't a lot.

    How are you calculating the switchers to iOS and vice versa?
    Well, Apple is still generating most of the Profits in smartphones, if you actually want context of success.
    Which has largely sat in the bank for a decade. That's the kind of success I see little value in.

    Then, if you look the trend, you see that even that is slipping.
    With a recession on the horizon, Apple will be Golden. Most other smartphone OEM's, not so much.

    Even if that trend is "slipping", you always fail to note that Apple's iPhone is less than half of Apple's business, and there are plenty of Apple products and services on the roadmap to continue growth.
    Quite the opposite. I have always pointed out how much Apple depended on iPhone and how that was potentially dangerous for the company and why. 

    I don't understand how you can say I 'always' fail to note that iPhone is less than half of Apple's business when that is something that has only just happened and surely will rebound over the Christmas quarter. We will see what happens after that.

    Also, I have periodically made it clear that I refer to the iPhone as a business within Apple. The focus has been on that precisely because it made up a huge chunk of Apple's business (and still does).

    That doesn't mean I don't comment on other aspects, I do, but iPhone remains a key focus point on all things Apple.


    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 53 of 101
    Good article, DED. The point about Apple’s huge investment in creating products of the highest quality and the impact of that quality emphasis on its lower cost products was completely ignored by the usual slate of naysayers, but is absolutely central to Apple’s long term advantage.
    StrangeDaysDan_Dilgerbakedbananaswatto_cobra
  • Reply 54 of 101
    if it weren't for Apple selling price-insensitive early adopters on its most advanced tech each year, it simply wouldn't be possible for the company to keep reintroducing the same features a couple years later a prices anyone can afford.”

    ...this is exactly right. 
    Dan_Dilgerwatto_cobra
  • Reply 55 of 101
    bc2009 said:
    Kinda hard to make the argument that the iPhone 11 is better in every way than the iPhone X when it still does not have some features of iPhone X (including an OLED screen and a 2x zoom lens).  Also, you repeatedly say the price of iPhone 11 is $650 when it is really $699.

    iPhone 11 is a great value for all the technology you get (just like iPhone XR was last year), but an article that repeatedly harps on how others were wrong should get some basic things right (including the grammar in the title).

    This article reads like a diatribe from somebody who can't wait to say "I told you so" to the whole internet and then proceeded to hastily pound the keyboard as fast they could.
    DED IMHO has gone from commentator to Apple apologist.

    I don’t remember the writer of Roughly Drafted turning a blind eye to Apple’s shortcomings. 
    Nah, you just misunderstand the beat of his column. It isn't about reviewing products and detailing problems. It's a commentary on the media and financial coverage of Apple's strategy and how wrong they get it so often. Much like some of DED's critics.

    I'll take these critics seriously when Apple isn't still the leader in profitability and consumer satisfaction. People vote with their wallets, and no other company is doing better, despite industry-wide cooling of a mature product category as was inevitable and predicted.

    The fact that we're having this conversation about phones at all (as opposed to desktop & notebook PCs) is just more proof that Apple knows what it's doing. I really wouldn't worry about their strategy or bet against them, unless you have extra money to lose. In which case I'd recommend spending it on an iPhone Pro.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 56 of 101
    cropr said:
    The other day I talked to the manager of the shop where I buy my smartphones and he said that there is a clear trend.  People which in the past bought high end smartphones (iPhiones and Android), are switching to the $300 models like the Samsung A50 or the Motorola One Vision.  These devices are not only good enough for 99% of the tasks,but these devices perform the requested tasks very smoothly.

    Apple may be king in the high end market, but the relative importance of the high end is shrinking and the launch of iPhone 11 won't stop that.
    Hah, right. Every time an android knockoff friend shows me his phone it is anything but smooth. Bloated and jittery, yes. 

    The market share size of high-end doesn't matter as long as Apple retains king of profit share. See Macintosh.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 57 of 101

    k2kw said:
    Great article. One correction: the iPhone 11 price starts at $699 with 64GB, not $650.
    I'm to busy rolling on the floor to read this now.    DED spends years saying apple shouldn't lower prices on their phones and now he flips his tune.   I really believe that this was written up before the unveiling and he just copied and pasted and then posted this editorial with the $650 price point.    I think he's just like PRAVDA arguing for what ever the Communist party says NOW ignoring what they wrote the week before.    LMAO.   Now I am glad that Apple responded and lowered prices $50 (not the pre-imagined $100) .    

    I'm looking forward to the tear-down video from iFixit.    I'll buy the iPhone when the QualComm chip is back in it.  Hopefully this year, maybe next at the latest.    I expect when the QualComm chip is back in it DED will  pull another 180 and write a pro QC article.
    If Apple had raised prices the other day we’d be getting an “editorial” about how what matters is profit share not market share and if people want cheap they should buy an Android. That’s why you can’t take DED’s “editorials” seriously. He’s like Lou Dobbs on Fox Business shilling for whatever position Trump has taken on the day.
    Nope, the message remains the same -- market analysts and tech pundits get Apple wrong, over and over. It hasn't changed. Profit share is of course more important than market share for Apple. 

    You know what also hasn't changed? You coming to everyone one of his opinion pieces like a moth to a flame, only to tell us you don't like it. "I hate this! When's the next one?" This is a disorder. 
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    avon b7 said:
    This may be thr most hypocritical article I've ever read. On 8/28 the same author posted this about night sight on Android phones:

    What's often left out is the fact that the processing needed to deliver these low light images requires that users hold their phone still for around 6 seconds

    14 days ago that was posted to discount the value of the night sight feature. Now in this article he praises the new iPhone for taking a night sight photo in around 5 seconds. 
    The quote here is taken out of context. The fact it takes 6 seconds is not the main point. It is not even close to the main point. The main point about night mode with Google Pixel and Huawei Honor in that DED article (link below) is that it doesn't actually work very well, and results in fake-looking pictures if you are photographing anything other than still life images.

    https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/08/28/editorial-iphone-11-design-will-advance-apples-mobile-imaging-lead

    So when Apple introduces this capability, it uses an image of a person. iPhone does it better. This is pretty much exactly the point of DED's prediction article from August 28 -- the iPhone 11 will advance Apple's lead in mobile imaging. True to form, Apple now does night mode better than the competition.
    You need to read the comments on his pieces to get a better idea of what is real and what is twisted. Many of us have actually stopped reading them been blocked as they we lack any balance and often credibility.
    Fixed that for you. DED understands his beat -- where market analysts and tech pundits get Apple wrong. He is among the experts here, along with PED, Horace Dediu, and the Macalope...three dudes who also make a living with this beat, much to the butthurt of the knockoff apologists.

    edited September 2019 tmayDan_Dilgerwatto_cobra
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    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Notsofast said:

    DED IMHO has gone from commentator to Apple apologist.

    I don’t remember the writer of Roughly Drafted turning a blind eye to Apple’s shortcomings. 

    The reality is right now, there aren’t a lot of people who will be willing to pay $1k for a smartphone, whether it’s Apple or Samsung. Just read some of the comments on sites that are reviewing the Samsung Note 10, especially the 5G version. 

    Apple had to do something to get more people to upgrade rather than hold on to their devices even longer.  Dropping the price of the iPhone 11 $50 cheaper than the XR was a start, including a free year of Apple TV+ family helps, but there are still plenty of iPhone users who are not loyal to Apple and this is what affects the bottom line. 

    In the days days before the iPhone, Apple loyalists were the ones keeping Apple profitable, and in turn Apple made products we loved.
    Once the iPhone was released, people
    who never bought anything Apple were flashing their devices around as if they were a status symbol of their wealth, taste or intelligence. It’s popularity was it’s attraction, not it’s ease of use, or how powerful it can be. 

    Apple was addicted to the attention and started  releasing more and more products that while were still attractive to Apple loyalists, they also had things that they didn’t like about them, like soldered memory and hard drives and plenty of quality programs that dealt with issues that Apple should have predicted. It didn’t affect sales, Apple was like a bear catching salmon during spawning season, it just can’t miss. 

    Now, people are still weary of trusting Apple after that stupid battery replacement program. 
    They don’t want to upgrade for 1k or even $700. You can try to spin it and give the customer the monthly cost because that’s more  palatable, but customers are not stupid. They played that game already with the carriers.

    There are millions of iphone users who don’t really use their device to its potential and they are realizing that. This is why they are willing to abandon Apple and buy a cheap android phone.

    So now Apple has to win their business all over again. Apple retail isn’t prepared to explain why an iPhone is better than other devices. They don’t have Apple loyalists as employees anymore, they have more people who think it’s cool to work there but don’t know enough about Apple products.   

    You lost us when you claimed "The reality is right now, there aren’t a lot of people who will be willing to pay $1k for a smartphone, whether it’s Apple or Samsung. "  Newsflash, OVER A HUNDRED MILLION people worldwide have bought one of Apple's $1K phones, and this year TENS of MILLIONS more will buy one.  Other than hundreds of millions, you're right, not many people. LOL. 

    And elsewhere on the fake news front, more people continue to switch to iPhone from Android, then the other way around as you claim. 
    Don't forget that that is over a hundred million but out of 1.5 billion sold in just 2018.

    Seen in context, it isn't a lot.

    How are you calculating the switchers to iOS and vice versa?
    Well, Apple is still generating most of the Profits in smartphones, if you actually want context of success.
    Which has largely sat in the bank for a decade. That's the kind of success I see little value in.
    Move them goalposts! Now reaping the industry's profits as the most successful phone maker in history don't matter, because banks! Zomg, you are too much. You really need a job in the NFL.
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    nubusnubus Posts: 488member
    nubus said: But notice how this doesn't happen on the Mac. A PowerMac used to be $2000. Now Mac Pro starts at $6000.
    The Mac Pro that Apple sells now is FAR more advanced in terms of computing power than the old cheese grater Mac Pros. There's no real comparison. iMacs now easily serve the software uses that you needed to buy a Mac Pro for 10 years ago. And I had to upgrade the GPU in the 2009 model just to run a 4K monitor.
    I would say you can compare Mac Pro and iPhone. The first iPhone didn't have Retina, didn't have 3G or 4G, a giga display, multi lenses, memory,  storage, or the CPU/GPU power of the current models. But the cost was the same as for an iPhone XR. So how come the cost of a Pro desktop Mac has moved from $2000 to $6000?
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