Delhi court demands iPhone location data from Apple, but it probably doesn't have it

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Apple has been ordered to supply the location details of the iPhone owned by a defendant in a rape case in India, but it isn't clear if Apple has the information at all.

Apple is ordered to provide location data by September 28.
Apple is ordered to provide location data by September 28.


A Delhi court has directed Apple to provide location data from an iPhone for a specific day in 2017. The order came during a trial where expelled government member of the legislative assembly, Kuldeep Singh Sengar, is accused of rape on the date in question.

The trial is continuing and according to India Today District Judge Dharmesh Sharma says that Apple must respond by September 28.

Apple has previously refused to unlock an iPhone for the FBI -- but did respond to subpoenas for data in iCloud. And, that was years ago -- under iOS 13, Apple has been increasing its privacy limitations on location tracking, and is retaining less data about a customer than it ever has before.

In this case, however, it is not clear what precise information the court has demanded -- nor whether Apple actually has that data.

Apple doesn't retain location data -- most of the time

While Apple has not publicly responded to this order, it has previously detailed what location data it stores, what it uses it for -- and how long it is kept. According to Apple, a user's iPhone, or Apple Watch, almost exclusively uses your location only to provide functionality to apps or services, and that you have to explicitly agree to that use before it happens.

There is a minor, and short-term, exception to do with safety, though. "Your iPhone's location may be used when you place an emergency call to aid response efforts," says Apple, "regardless of whether you enable Location Services."

If a user agrees to the use of Location Services, Apple will also use an anonymized version in order to provide crowd-sourced data such as traffic conditions.

The blue, red and amber lines on an Apple Maps route indicate traffic conditions and that data is crowdsourced from all iPhones in the area that have Location Services enabled. However, the data is anonymized.
The blue, red and amber lines on an Apple Maps route indicate traffic conditions and that data is crowdsourced from all iPhones in the area that have Location Services enabled. However, the data is anonymized.


As well as having to agree to Location Services, if the user then also uses Apple's Find My service to locate a device, that device's location data is sent to Apple so that it can be relayed to you. When using the similar Share My Location feature, the data is retained by Apple for only two hours.

"Apple retains location information and makes it accessible to you for 24 hours," says an Apple support document about privacy, "after which it is deleted."

Unless data is retained in an iCloud backup, it appears that Apple doesn't have the data in question. It's not known what penalties the court could apply to Apple if it cannot disclose the required information.

It's also not known whether the court has or is planning to issue a similar order to the defendant's wireless carrier. Additionally, the billing systems of all carriers will include the specifics of a phone's location down to the individual cell.

Wireless carriers companies have previously sold such data to other companies, though this practice has now been ended in the United States.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 7
    Unless data is retained in an iCloud backup, it appears that Apple doesn't have the data in question. It's not known what penalties the court could apply to Apple if it cannot disclose the required information. 

    I fail to see any penalties that could logically apply to someone who doesn't supply information they don't have.  Unless they can show that Apple does have it, or had it and deliberately destroyed it for the sole purpose of thwarting the court.  Or is there some law in India that requires that companies retain this sort of information, in the same way that American corporations are required to retain certain information?

    "You don't know the information I seek?  Two million dollars per minute until you do know!"
    AppleExposedwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 7
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,251member
    "Wireless carriers companies have previously sold such data to other companies, though this practice has now been ended in the United States." Didn't know this has ended, if it actually has. I'm sure the wireless carriers have the information, which is why Apple doesn't need to keep it longterm. If my iPhone kept my location data forever, I'd run out of storage quickly and if Apple (and cellular carriers) had to store everyone's location data forever, nobody would have enough storage space to retain it all. 
    jahbladewatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 7
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member

    "You don't know the information I seek?  Two million dollars per minute until you do know!”
    And that’s exactly how government works.
    jbdragonviclauyycAppleExposed
  • Reply 4 of 7
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    The location data is stored in the iPhone. 
  • Reply 5 of 7
    The article doesn't say whether the court has the PIN for the iPhone or whether law in India allows the court to use the suspect's fingerprint or face to unlock the phone. These are the most obvious questions and need to be asked before we can discuss the technical way to proceed.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 7
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,861administrator
    tzeshan said:
    The location data is stored in the iPhone. 
    Might be, but that doesn't mean that Apple has it.
    chasmwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 7
    AppleExposedAppleExposed Posts: 1,805unconfirmed, member
    "It's not known what penalties the court could apply to Apple if it cannot disclose the required information."

    Dude supposedly rapes a female and India may penalize Apple during the case....

    Humanity gets dumb & dumber...
    chasmwatto_cobra
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