Apple should adopt these Pixel 4 features for iPhone 12

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in iPhone edited December 2019
There are a lot of exciting features in the Google Pixel 4. Even if the entire Pixel 4 package is flawed, there are still features that it has, that we like so much that we hope Apple adopts them for the next generation iPhone.

The Google Pixel 4
The Google Pixel 4

Bypass lock screen

As we've used the Pixel 4, there is one feature that we didn't much appreciate until we switched back to our iPhone. That is bypassing the lock screen when unlocked.






The iPhone will unlock your phone as fast as possible, but it doesn't progress to your home screen until you swipe up from the bottom after the unlock. The Pixel 4 will take you right to the home screen, no swipe necessary, as soon as it is authenticated.

Pixel 4 does have the option to disable this, but for people who like it -- like us -- it makes the user experience faster and more seamless. We'd like it if iPhone could do this, as the swiping gesture becomes tedious and slow when it could just be on the home screen straight away.

Matte finish sides

Starting small, both iPhone 11 and Pixel 4 have various models with glossy or matter back options, but only Pixel 4 comes with matte sides. These sides feel great in the hand, and don't as readily show fingerprints as the gloss in the iPhone.

The matte finish of the Google Pixel 4
The matte finish of the Google Pixel 4


If you go caseless, the matte finishes are great to hold, and keep sufficient grip. It would also mesh nicely with the matte black options for the iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max.

Of course, we've seen this before in the iPhone 7. We'd just like to see it again soon.

Motion Sense

Motion Sense is a new feature for the Pixel 4 that is based on the 3D-sensing radar implanted into the front of the phone. Using that low-powered radar, the Pixel 4 can detect when your arm approaches the phone or when you walk away from your device.

It has some gimmicky applications such as waving an arm in the air to skip a song. This may need a "killer app" to really take off beyond system integrations.

But as-is, Motion Sense can do some truly great things. It will turn off the display when you walk away from the phone. It will silence an alarm or a ring tone as you reach for the device.

Motion Sense starting the unlock process before the Pixel 4 is even touched
Motion Sense starting the unlock process before the Pixel 4 is even touched


It also kicks in the face scanning to unlock your phone as soon as you reach for the phone, giving it an advantage in speed from locked to unlocked in most cases. If the iPhone were to do this, Face ID would be far faster than the new Pixel 4.

Apple does some form of this by using your eyes to detect when you're looking at your iPhone, and the True Depth Camera system already can detect depth.

But, the upgrade with the radar would be nice on the iPhone.

Onboard assistant

Starting with Pixel 4, queries to Google Assistant are largely processed locally on the phone. Google Assistant can translate your voice to text and, if it is something that can be done locally, it is nearly instant without that call out to the internet for information.

As an example, if you just want Siri to open the Notes app, you say "Hey Siri, open the Notes app" which is then sent to the cloud, transcribed, sent to the cloud for processing before the result is carried out on your phone. It happens quickly, but there is still minimal delay and reliance on internet connection.

Google Assistant can transcribe locally
Google Assistant can transcribe locally


On Pixel 4, it is transcribed right on your phone, processed, and can open the Notes app instantly without waiting for anything to get sent to the cloud. And, it does most of it without any need for internet connection.

In use, not having to rely on an internet connection for simple, local tasks such as opening apps, setting alarms, or dictation would be quite a bit faster and a welcomed change. This was the original promise of Siri, after all.

Higher-resolution tele lens

The iPhone sports an additional ultra-wide lens over Pixel 4, but Google upped the resolution on its new telephoto lens to 16MP, above the 12MP on the iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max.

8X tele photo shots on the iPhone 11 Pro and Google Pixel 4
8X tele photo shots on the iPhone 11 Pro and Google Pixel 4


This makes a profound difference when shooting telephoto shots, especially when you zoom in above the default 2X. Jumping up to 8X or 10X zoom on the Pixel looks better than the iPhone hands-down.

On the "iPhone 12 Pro" or whatever it ends up being called, we want Apple to up the resolution and combine it with its computational photography chops to allow the creation of outstanding telephoto images.

90Hz refresh rate

Apple's OLED and LCD screens in the iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 lines have a 60Hz refresh rate. This is good, but behind the 90Hz and 120Hz displays that are appearing on high-end phones.

90Hz refresh rate makes the phone feel more natural
90Hz refresh rate makes the phone feel more natural


Pixel 4 has a 90Hz display speeds up during fast motion then intelligently drops down to 60Hz for normal operation to save battery -- but we're not sure that it's working right just yet, as battery life on the Pixel 4 is horrid.

There's a lot to consider with increasing the refresh rate. A display refreshing more often will draw more power, but that's not the only component that will. The system will be under greater load graphically, and that will be a power drain as well.

If the power situation can be solved, Apple could use the technology in the iPhone for smoother animations, better scrolling, and more immersive iOS experience. If recent rumors are to be believed, it seems this one already may be in the works.

Innovation?

Innovation isn't, and has never been, about being first to the market with something. You can ask Samsung about how they feel about being first with the Galaxy Gear watch, or the Galaxy Fold -- it hasn't worked out that well for either product.

The iPhone wasn't first. It was innovative because it worked. It was innovative because it integrated all of these features in a coherent package, that was easy for the user to take advantage of.

We like the potential of the Pixel 4. It has a lot of features that could be fantastic. But, right now, they're poorly implemented, and the disparate integrations aren't doing the flagship Android phone, made by the primary Android developers, any favors. This should be the ultimate expression of Android, and yet, it isn't because the features on their own are half-baked and not ready for prime-time. If it is a song, it is one performed by 10 very talented students, with no conductor, and no sheet music.

And, these features in an iPhone would be a chorus with Apple's integration.
muthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 1 of 29
    I love the Pixel's always-on clock.
  • Reply 2 of 29
    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,654member
    Lenses don't really have resolution in the common sense of the term, sensors do.   Lenses have resolution only in the sense of their ability to resolve a line.  And increased resolution in a very small sensor can cause inferior quality, because the photosites are smaller and when they heat up, they create noise, especially in low-light conditions (high ISOs).  

    If you look at DSLR's, which have full frame sensors 20 times the size of a phone sensor, the highest-end cameras have lower resolution than the less expensive cameras right below them for this very reason.   They do that because it results in higher overall picture quality, especially in low light.   For example, in the case of Nikon, the highest end D5 has a 20.8MP sensor and the upcoming D6 is expected to have a 24MP sensor.   The D5 body was originally $6500 and is now selling for $5500.    The lower-priced D850 (originally $3300, now $2800) has a 45.7 MP sensor.   It's similar for Canon.   Sony's highest end mirrorless camera, the A9ii, has a 24.2MP sensor.   The lower-priced a7Riv has a 61MP sensor.   



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  • Reply 3 of 29
    tjwolftjwolf Posts: 424member
    I completely agree that Siri should not require internet for basic things - how many times have I been hiking in the woods and tried to increase/decrease volume for my AirPods or change songs in my local library only to have Siri tell me it can't do that because there's no internet connection :-(

    But using "transcribing" is kind of an odd choice for your argument - since that doesn't even require Siri.  The on-screen keyboard lets you dictate using voice and it's automatically transcribed into whatever app you're running.
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  • Reply 4 of 29
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,093member
    120hz screen refresh rate would be really cool, however, if I have to choose between great battery life but at 60hz or 120hz and horrible battery life then it's a no-brainer.

    When it comes to Apple, I have faith it will work far better than Google's implementation.  
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  • Reply 5 of 29
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,284member
    I've always wanted some of the basic Siri commands to be managed on the device rather than going out to the cloud. Examples include...

    Opening any installed app
    Calling a contact. I get that dictating a message might not be practical to do on the device.
    Finding photos already labeled with names
    Telling me what's on my calendar for the day or when my next meeting is.
    Raise and lower volume
    Set a timer
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  • Reply 6 of 29
    tjwolf said:
    I completely agree that Siri should not require internet for basic things - how many times have I been hiking in the woods and tried to increase/decrease volume for my AirPods or change songs in my local library only to have Siri tell me it can't do that because there's no internet connection :-(
    If you’re listening to your phone just pressing the volume buttons works quicker. Even with a good connection. The delays of voice assistants are too annoying for me 
    n2itivguypscooter63
  • Reply 7 of 29
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    tjwolf said:
    I completely agree that Siri should not require internet for basic things - how many times have I been hiking in the woods and tried to increase/decrease volume for my AirPods or change songs in my local library only to have Siri tell me it can't do that because there's no internet connection :-(

    But using "transcribing" is kind of an odd choice for your argument - since that doesn't even require Siri.  The on-screen keyboard lets you dictate using voice and it's automatically transcribed into whatever app you're running.
    On the Pixel it's on-device, no voice recording sent "to the cloud" and it's also searchable. For example use "Recorder" transcription for a meeting with no cellular signal and no wifi and it still takes place in real time and text becomes immediately searchable. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOPF069Xn0
    edited October 2019 AppleExposedphilboogie
  • Reply 8 of 29
    Oh wow- that photo of the Ohio State logo. MAJOR difference. Impressed with that Pixel camera. Who would have thought...
    pscooter63
  • Reply 9 of 29
    AppleExposedAppleExposed Posts: 1,805unconfirmed, member
    tjwolf said:
    I completely agree that Siri should not require internet for basic things - how many times have I been hiking in the woods and tried to increase/decrease volume for my AirPods or change songs in my local library only to have Siri tell me it can't do that because there's no internet connection :-(

    But using "transcribing" is kind of an odd choice for your argument - since that doesn't even require Siri.  The on-screen keyboard lets you dictate using voice and it's automatically transcribed into whatever app you're running.


    I always wondered how many GBs it would take to have common knowledge stored on device. Or how about just Wolfram Alpha and Wikipedia?

    gatorguy said:
    tjwolf said:
    I completely agree that Siri should not require internet for basic things - how many times have I been hiking in the woods and tried to increase/decrease volume for my AirPods or change songs in my local library only to have Siri tell me it can't do that because there's no internet connection :-(

    But using "transcribing" is kind of an odd choice for your argument - since that doesn't even require Siri.  The on-screen keyboard lets you dictate using voice and it's automatically transcribed into whatever app you're running.
    On the Pixel it's on-device, no voice recording sent "to the cloud" and it's also searchable. For example use "Recorder" transcription for a meeting with no cellular signal and no wifi and it still takes place in real time and text becomes immediately searchable. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOPF069Xn0

    Oh Googly is such a safe company!
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  • Reply 10 of 29
    normangnormang Posts: 118member
    I guess the difference in telephoto quality is in the eye of the beholder.. I thought that the iPhone 11 looked better.... I could see unlocking to the Home screen immediately could cause some unintended actions. It would be handy if Siri could implement local controls whether the internet connection is available or not.. but if you wanted a laundry list of things that IOS could use, copying Pixel features would be the last place I'd start..
    edited October 2019 muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 29
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    gatorguy said:
    tjwolf said:
    I completely agree that Siri should not require internet for basic things - how many times have I been hiking in the woods and tried to increase/decrease volume for my AirPods or change songs in my local library only to have Siri tell me it can't do that because there's no internet connection :-(

    But using "transcribing" is kind of an odd choice for your argument - since that doesn't even require Siri.  The on-screen keyboard lets you dictate using voice and it's automatically transcribed into whatever app you're running.
    On the Pixel it's on-device, no voice recording sent "to the cloud" and it's also searchable. For example use "Recorder" transcription for a meeting with no cellular signal and no wifi and it still takes place in real time and text becomes immediately searchable. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOPF069Xn0

    Oh Googly is such a safe company!
    It is, isn't it? Security is a priority for them for obvious business reasons. 

    Now they're putting a greater emphasis on privacy too (long-overdue IMO) to go along with the security aspect. The transcription service for instance no longer sends your voice recordings to Google which should be a breath of fresh air for those concerned about cloud stuff and privacy. The Google keyboard uses federated learning so that what you type is not associated with you personally. Then there's the Privacy Sandbox initiative, encrypted DNS, automatic deletion of data on a set time frame determined by the user, even wider roll-out of on-device processing where the data does not leave your phone....

    Things are getting better, and Apple placing such a huge emphasis on it really helps push Google to do the right thing. 
    edited October 2019 AppleExposedmuthuk_vanalingamCarnagephilboogie
  • Reply 12 of 29
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,877member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    tjwolf said:
    I completely agree that Siri should not require internet for basic things - how many times have I been hiking in the woods and tried to increase/decrease volume for my AirPods or change songs in my local library only to have Siri tell me it can't do that because there's no internet connection :-(

    But using "transcribing" is kind of an odd choice for your argument - since that doesn't even require Siri.  The on-screen keyboard lets you dictate using voice and it's automatically transcribed into whatever app you're running.
    On the Pixel it's on-device, no voice recording sent "to the cloud" and it's also searchable. For example use "Recorder" transcription for a meeting with no cellular signal and no wifi and it still takes place in real time and text becomes immediately searchable. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOPF069Xn0

    Oh Googly is such a safe company!
    It is, isn't it? Security is a priority for them for obvious business reasons. 

    Now they're putting a greater emphasis on privacy too (long-overdue IMO) to go along with the security aspect. The transcription service for instance no longer sends your voice recordings to Google which should be a breath of fresh air for those concerned about cloud stuff and privacy. The Google keyboard uses federated learning so that what you type is not associated with you personally. Then there's the Privacy Sandbox initiative, encrypted DNS, automatic deletion of data on a set time frame determined by the user, even wider roll-out of on-device processing where the data does not leave your phone....

    Things are getting better, and Apple placing such a huge emphasis on it really helps push Google to do the right thing. 
    Not really. The new google feature to delete your data is set to three months -- long after they've mined & monetized it for your ad profile and shadow profile. 

    https://daringfireball.net/linked/2019/10/16/google-auto-delete-lip-service
    https://www.fastcompany.com/90416822/googles-auto-delete-tools-are-practically-worthless-for-privacy

    "In reality, these auto-delete tools accomplish little for users, even as they generate positive PR for Google. Experts say that by the time three months rolls around, Google has already extracted nearly all the potential value from users’ data, and from an advertising standpoint, data becomes practically worthless when it’s more than a few months old.

    “Anything up to one month is extremely valuable,” says David Dweck, the head of paid search at digital ad firm WPromote. “Anything beyond one month, we probably weren’t going to target you anyway.” […]"

    ...lip service. Let me know when you can have it not collect it in the first place. 
    edited October 2019 tmayAppleExposedlolliverpscooter63watto_cobraphilboogie
  • Reply 13 of 29
    AppleExposedAppleExposed Posts: 1,805unconfirmed, member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    tjwolf said:
    I completely agree that Siri should not require internet for basic things - how many times have I been hiking in the woods and tried to increase/decrease volume for my AirPods or change songs in my local library only to have Siri tell me it can't do that because there's no internet connection :-(

    But using "transcribing" is kind of an odd choice for your argument - since that doesn't even require Siri.  The on-screen keyboard lets you dictate using voice and it's automatically transcribed into whatever app you're running.
    On the Pixel it's on-device, no voice recording sent "to the cloud" and it's also searchable. For example use "Recorder" transcription for a meeting with no cellular signal and no wifi and it still takes place in real time and text becomes immediately searchable. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOPF069Xn0

    Oh Googly is such a safe company!
    It is, isn't it? Security is a priority for them for obvious business reasons. 

    Now they're putting a greater emphasis on privacy too (long-overdue IMO) to go along with the security aspect. The transcription service for instance no longer sends your voice recordings to Google which should be a breath of fresh air for those concerned about cloud stuff and privacy. The Google keyboard uses federated learning so that what you type is not associated with you personally. Then there's the Privacy Sandbox initiative, encrypted DNS, automatic deletion of data on a set time frame determined by the user, even wider roll-out of on-device processing where the data does not leave your phone....

    Things are getting better, and Apple placing such a huge emphasis on it really helps push Google to do the right thing. 
    Not really. The new google feature to delete your data is set to three months -- long after they've mined & monetized it for your ad profile and shadow profile. 

    https://daringfireball.net/linked/2019/10/16/google-auto-delete-lip-service
    https://www.fastcompany.com/90416822/googles-auto-delete-tools-are-practically-worthless-for-privacy

    "In reality, these auto-delete tools accomplish little for users, even as they generate positive PR for Google. Experts say that by the time three months rolls around, Google has already extracted nearly all the potential value from users’ data, and from an advertising standpoint, data becomes practically worthless when it’s more than a few months old.

    “Anything up to one month is extremely valuable,” says David Dweck, the head of paid search at digital ad firm WPromote. “Anything beyond one month, we probably weren’t going to target you anyway.” […]"

    ...lip service. Let me know when you can have it not collect it in the first place. 

    Wouldn't doubt it if this "does not send recordings" feature is compromised as usual.

    "Do not track" for Google means only Google can see it.
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  • Reply 14 of 29
    payecopayeco Posts: 581member
    sflocal said:
    120hz screen refresh rate would be really cool, however, if I have to choose between great battery life but at 60hz or 120hz and horrible battery life then it's a no-brainer.

    When it comes to Apple, I have faith it will work far better than Google's implementation.  
    If they could integrate the LTPO like they have on the Series 5 Apple Watch you could do it without sacrificing battery life. For instance, scale up to 120Hz when scrolling, then scale down to 1Hz when I’m done scrolling and reading a big block of text. It would be great in lots of other instances. My wife reads books on the Kindle app when she’s on the subway. Scaling down to 1Hz would save her a lot of battery power since the display is static for long periods of time.
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  • Reply 15 of 29
    payecopayeco Posts: 581member
    I agree with everything here except the bypass unlock feature, unless it was optional. I very frequently look at my notifications on my lock screen while I’m working or watching TV and don’t want my phone to be unlocked/on the home screen. It would be a big hassle. Right now, while my phone is on it’s charging stand while I’m working I can just quickly reach over and tap the screen and glance at my most recent notifications with almost no effort. If it bypasses that I’d now have to tap it to unlock, then once on the home screen, swipe down to get the Notification Center. 
    edited October 2019 lolliverwatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 29
    Eric_WVGG said:
    I love the Pixel's always-on clock.
    I love to pick up my Pixel if I wake in the night or see the phone sitting on the table and see Time, Weather, Date, notifications, etc. It's wonderful.
  • Reply 17 of 29
    Adopt? Copy?
  • Reply 18 of 29
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    tjwolf said:
    I completely agree that Siri should not require internet for basic things - how many times have I been hiking in the woods and tried to increase/decrease volume for my AirPods or change songs in my local library only to have Siri tell me it can't do that because there's no internet connection :-(

    But using "transcribing" is kind of an odd choice for your argument - since that doesn't even require Siri.  The on-screen keyboard lets you dictate using voice and it's automatically transcribed into whatever app you're running.
    On the Pixel it's on-device, no voice recording sent "to the cloud" and it's also searchable. For example use "Recorder" transcription for a meeting with no cellular signal and no wifi and it still takes place in real time and text becomes immediately searchable. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOPF069Xn0

    Oh Googly is such a safe company!
    It is, isn't it? Security is a priority for them for obvious business reasons. 

    Now they're putting a greater emphasis on privacy too (long-overdue IMO) to go along with the security aspect.

    - The transcription service for instance no longer sends your voice recordings to Google which should be a breath of fresh air for those concerned about cloud stuff and privacy.


    - The Google keyboard uses federated learning so that what you type is not associated with you personally.

    - Then there's the Privacy Sandbox initiative,

    - encrypted DNS,

    - automatic deletion of data on a set time frame determined by the user,

    - even wider roll-out of on-device processing where the data does not leave your phone....


    Things are getting better, and Apple placing such a huge emphasis on it really helps push Google to do the right thing. 
    Not really. The new google feature to delete your data is set to three months -- long after they've mined & monetized it for your ad profile and shadow profile. 

    https://daringfireball.net/linked/2019/10/16/google-auto-delete-lip-service
    https://www.fastcompany.com/90416822/googles-auto-delete-tools-are-practically-worthless-for-privacy

    "In reality, these auto-delete tools accomplish little for users, even as they generate positive PR for Google. Experts say that by the time three months rolls around, Google has already extracted nearly all the potential value from users’ data, and from an advertising standpoint, data becomes practically worthless when it’s more than a few months old.

    “Anything up to one month is extremely valuable,” says David Dweck, the head of paid search at digital ad firm WPromote. “Anything beyond one month, we probably weren’t going to target you anyway.” […]"

    ...lip service. Let me know when you can have it not collect it in the first place. 
    Not really what?  Since you can only take issue with one of the six areas I mentioned where Google has improved its privacy efforts then things have very obviously improved.  Did you even bother to look at what the Privacy Sandbox is or how encrypted DNS benefits you? Nope.
     
    BTW, you've long had the option of "not having it collected in the first place". You've never looked at the privacy controls?
    The option of allowing the use of some data which benefits both Google and you but automatically deleting that data if you don't choose to do so manually, daily/weekly whenever or opt out of some or all data altogether is simply that: Another user option. 

    You're not even rising to the level of "nice try". 


    edited October 2019 bigtdsmuthuk_vanalingamchemengin1
  • Reply 19 of 29
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    tjwolf said:
    I completely agree that Siri should not require internet for basic things - how many times have I been hiking in the woods and tried to increase/decrease volume for my AirPods or change songs in my local library only to have Siri tell me it can't do that because there's no internet connection :-(

    But using "transcribing" is kind of an odd choice for your argument - since that doesn't even require Siri.  The on-screen keyboard lets you dictate using voice and it's automatically transcribed into whatever app you're running.
    On the Pixel it's on-device, no voice recording sent "to the cloud" and it's also searchable. For example use "Recorder" transcription for a meeting with no cellular signal and no wifi and it still takes place in real time and text becomes immediately searchable. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOPF069Xn0

    Oh Googly is such a safe company!
    It is, isn't it? Security is a priority for them for obvious business reasons. 

    Now they're putting a greater emphasis on privacy too (long-overdue IMO) to go along with the security aspect.

    - The transcription service for instance no longer sends your voice recordings to Google which should be a breath of fresh air for those concerned about cloud stuff and privacy.


    - The Google keyboard uses federated learning so that what you type is not associated with you personally.

    - Then there's the Privacy Sandbox initiative,

    - encrypted DNS,

    - automatic deletion of data on a set time frame determined by the user,

    - even wider roll-out of on-device processing where the data does not leave your phone....


    Things are getting better, and Apple placing such a huge emphasis on it really helps push Google to do the right thing. 
    Not really. The new google feature to delete your data is set to three months -- long after they've mined & monetized it for your ad profile and shadow profile. 

    https://daringfireball.net/linked/2019/10/16/google-auto-delete-lip-service
    https://www.fastcompany.com/90416822/googles-auto-delete-tools-are-practically-worthless-for-privacy

    "In reality, these auto-delete tools accomplish little for users, even as they generate positive PR for Google. Experts say that by the time three months rolls around, Google has already extracted nearly all the potential value from users’ data, and from an advertising standpoint, data becomes practically worthless when it’s more than a few months old.

    “Anything up to one month is extremely valuable,” says David Dweck, the head of paid search at digital ad firm WPromote. “Anything beyond one month, we probably weren’t going to target you anyway.” […]"

    ...lip service. Let me know when you can have it not collect it in the first place. 
    Not really what?  Since you can only take issue with one of the six areas I mentioned where Google has improved its privacy efforts then things have very obviously improved. 
     
    BTW, you've long had the option of "not having it collected in the first place". You've never looked at the privacy controls?
    Now you have the option of allowing the use of some data which benefits both Google and you but automatically deleting that data if you don't choose to do so manually whenever you wish, even daily/weekly, or just forget to get around to it.

    You're not even rising to the level of "nice try". 
    If you don't know what item I'm referring to, I can't really help you. Better luck with contextual comprehension in the next lifetime. 

    As for google, read the article:

    By default, Google collects a vast amount of data on users’ behavior, including a lifelong record of web searches, locations, and YouTube views.

    But amid a privacy backlash and ongoing regulatory threats, the company has started to hype its recently released privacy tools, like the ability to automatically delete some of the data it collects about you—data that helps power its $116 billion ad business.

    With a trip to Google’s activity controls page, you can choose to purge that data on a rolling three-month or 18-month basis. The company pitches this tool, along with the ability to manually delete data through Google’s activity pages, as one of many ways users can control their privacy. [...]

    In reality, these auto-delete tools accomplish little for users, even as they generate positive PR for Google.

    ....like I said, it's lip service. A true commitment to privacy would be changing what is the default behavior of longest-retention to short- or no-retention, or barring that, providing options in the new tools to set an auto-delete of 3 days, 1 day, or 0 days. But they didn't, because they aren't. Not being committed to privacy is exactly what their business model depends on. No need to pretend otherwise. It's the inherit difference between a consumer products company and an advertising company. Users of google's stuff are the product being sold to advertisers.

    edited October 2019 lolliverwatto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 29
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    tjwolf said:
    I completely agree that Siri should not require internet for basic things - how many times have I been hiking in the woods and tried to increase/decrease volume for my AirPods or change songs in my local library only to have Siri tell me it can't do that because there's no internet connection :-(

    But using "transcribing" is kind of an odd choice for your argument - since that doesn't even require Siri.  The on-screen keyboard lets you dictate using voice and it's automatically transcribed into whatever app you're running.
    On the Pixel it's on-device, no voice recording sent "to the cloud" and it's also searchable. For example use "Recorder" transcription for a meeting with no cellular signal and no wifi and it still takes place in real time and text becomes immediately searchable. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOPF069Xn0

    Oh Googly is such a safe company!
    It is, isn't it? Security is a priority for them for obvious business reasons. 

    Now they're putting a greater emphasis on privacy too (long-overdue IMO) to go along with the security aspect.

    - The transcription service for instance no longer sends your voice recordings to Google which should be a breath of fresh air for those concerned about cloud stuff and privacy.


    - The Google keyboard uses federated learning so that what you type is not associated with you personally.

    - Then there's the Privacy Sandbox initiative,

    - encrypted DNS,

    - automatic deletion of data on a set time frame determined by the user,

    - even wider roll-out of on-device processing where the data does not leave your phone....


    Things are getting better, and Apple placing such a huge emphasis on it really helps push Google to do the right thing. 
    Not really. The new google feature to delete your data is set to three months -- long after they've mined & monetized it for your ad profile and shadow profile. 

    https://daringfireball.net/linked/2019/10/16/google-auto-delete-lip-service
    https://www.fastcompany.com/90416822/googles-auto-delete-tools-are-practically-worthless-for-privacy

    "In reality, these auto-delete tools accomplish little for users, even as they generate positive PR for Google. Experts say that by the time three months rolls around, Google has already extracted nearly all the potential value from users’ data, and from an advertising standpoint, data becomes practically worthless when it’s more than a few months old.

    “Anything up to one month is extremely valuable,” says David Dweck, the head of paid search at digital ad firm WPromote. “Anything beyond one month, we probably weren’t going to target you anyway.” […]"

    ...lip service. Let me know when you can have it not collect it in the first place. 
    Not really what?  Since you can only take issue with one of the six areas I mentioned where Google has improved its privacy efforts then things have very obviously improved. 
     
    BTW, you've long had the option of "not having it collected in the first place". You've never looked at the privacy controls?
    Now you have the option of allowing the use of some data which benefits both Google and you but automatically deleting that data if you don't choose to do so manually whenever you wish, even daily/weekly, or just forget to get around to it.

    You're not even rising to the level of "nice try". 
    If you don't know what item I'm referring to, I can't really help you. Better luck with contextual comprehension in the next lifetime. 

    As for google, read the article:

    By default, Google collects a vast amount of data on users’ behavior, including a lifelong record of web searches, locations, and YouTube views.

    But amid a privacy backlash and ongoing regulatory threats, the company has started to hype its recently released privacy tools, like the ability to automatically delete some of the data it collects about you—data that helps power its $116 billion ad business.

    With a trip to Google’s activity controls page, you can choose to purge that data on a rolling three-month or 18-month basis. The company pitches this tool, along with the ability to manually delete data through Google’s activity pages, as one of many ways users can control their privacy. [...]

    In reality, these auto-delete tools accomplish little for users, even as they generate positive PR for Google.

    ....like I said, it's lip service. A true commitment to privacy would be changing what is the default behavior of longest-retention to short- or no-retention, or barring that, providing options in the new tools to set an auto-delete of 3 days, 1 day, or 0 days. But they didn't, because they aren't. Not being committed to privacy is exactly what their business model depends on. No need to pretend otherwise. It's the inherit difference between a consumer products company and an advertising company. Users of google's stuff are the product being sold to advertisers.

    Yup, one for six....
    You're rolling!
    edited October 2019 bigtdsCloudTalkinchemengin1Carnage
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