Qualcomm hints 5G iPhone coming in 2020, analysts say

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  • Reply 21 of 54
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,966member
    Ciprol said:
    Apple‘s entry to 5G is already late and it's hardly a prediction that Apple will need to release 5G compatible iPhones next year at the latest. Whilst some may claim Apple needed not release 5G phones, fact is, the world is far bigger than just the slow to move US 5G market unless that's how Apple sees its market. 5G has been aggressively rolled out in the largest mobile market on the planet and absence of Apple is more of a worry for Apple than anyone else.
    Yeah no. It’s not late, it’s fine. Most people don’t care. 
    What’s really silly about it is that all most people know about 5G is that it’s the next thing after 4G and it’s really fast. Even the tests that have been posted in the areas where 5G is available focus on speed, yet the benefits of 5G relate to other improvements and are largely in non-smartphone applications. (After spouting the technological improvements Of 5G no one I’ve seen has been able to give an actual smartphone application that requires 5G; they’re all with other devices and ‘new smartphone uses will be enabled by the technology.’ 

    People get all worked up but don’t even know what they’re worked up about. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 54
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    razorpit said:
    Ciprol said:
    Apple‘s entry to 5G is already late and it's hardly a prediction that Apple will need to release 5G compatible iPhones next year at the latest. Whilst some may claim Apple needed not release 5G phones, fact is, the world is far bigger than just the slow to move US 5G market unless that's how Apple sees its market. 5G has been aggressively rolled out in the largest mobile market on the planet and absence of Apple is more of a worry for Apple than anyone else.
    Can’t be late for a party that hasn’t started.GeorgeBMac said:
    Soli said:
    apple ][ said:
    There was plenty of hype for 5G this year in 2019, however it was all meaningless, as 5G wont mean anything until Apple enters the game.
    There may be some truth to that, but I think a better way to word that is: Apple won't enter the game until 5G means something.
    That means they are already late.
    See above...GeorgeBMac said:
    apple ][ said:
    Ciprol said:
    Apple‘s entry to 5G is already late and it's hardly a prediction that Apple will need to release 5G compatible iPhones next year at the latest. Whilst some may claim Apple needed not release 5G phones, fact is, the world is far bigger than just the slow to move US 5G market unless that's how Apple sees its market. 5G has been aggressively rolled out in the largest mobile market on the planet and absence of Apple is more of a worry for Apple than anyone else.
    My opinion is that Apple is not late at all and I think that they know exactly what they're doing.

    China is not the most important market in the world for Apple. It's not even the second most important market.

    There's also a bit of politics involved as many countries, and I don't just mean the USA , are wary of Huawei and the Chinese Govt, and then there's the ongoing trade dispute still taking place.

    5G is still in its infancy in terms of adoption, and there's still plenty to happen.
    You sure about that?  Any of it?   Or is based on the same kind of so called "evidence" (which most of the world calls "delusion") Trump used to accuse Huawei of spying on Americans ?
    For the love of God, please seek help. TDS will destroy you if not treated.
    Should I try reading more right wing propaganda?   Do you think that will help?
  • Reply 23 of 54
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
  • Reply 24 of 54
    apple ][ said:
    Ciprol said:
    Apple‘s entry to 5G is already late and it's hardly a prediction that Apple will need to release 5G compatible iPhones next year at the latest. Whilst some may claim Apple needed not release 5G phones, fact is, the world is far bigger than just the slow to move US 5G market unless that's how Apple sees its market. 5G has been aggressively rolled out in the largest mobile market on the planet and absence of Apple is more of a worry for Apple than anyone else.
    My opinion is that Apple is not late at all and I think that they know exactly what they're doing.

    China is not the most important market in the world for Apple. It's not even the second most important market.

    There's also a bit of politics involved as many countries, and I don't just mean the USA , are wary of Huawei and the Chinese Govt, and then there's the ongoing trade dispute still taking place.

    5G is still in its infancy in terms of adoption, and there's still plenty to happen.
    You sure about that?  Any of it?   Or is based on the same kind of so called "evidence" (which most of the world calls "delusion") Trump used to accuse Huawei of spying on Americans ?
    You may have missed a crucially important -- and valid -- point he made about butt-pulls (I am quoting).
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 54
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,966member
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    fastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 54
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    To make the analogy more apt, George would have to recognize that 4G "roads" are already very fast and effectively ubiquitous in populated areas, and that he's simply wanting some other roads that are potentially faster but with a considerable number of hurdles for them to work. Since 5G has many downsides that moving from 3G to 4G didn't, I'm not sure there is anything analogous with roads, but if he insists on that similitude then short, sparse, and expensive told roads in certain metropolitan areas might be the most equivalent.
    fastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 54
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
  • Reply 28 of 54
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    edited November 2019 fastasleepMplsPwatto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 54
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    I admit that I don't know much about 5G at this present stage, but I have not yet read any good arguments as to how exactly 5G would benefit me or the average user for example. Why should people be excited for 5G? I have not yet seen any good arguments. If somebody is trying to sell something new, then shouldn't they be able to make a convincing case if they wish to succeed?

    Why would I want to pay more per month for an unproven and still in testing technology that will make phones most likely run hotter and diminish their battery time for something that will be of no noticeable difference to me?

    I do not download any mega large files on my phone and everything that I currently use my phone for works pretty well through LTE.

    When I'm in a store checking out via Apple Pay, it's not like I'm thinking, damn, this is so slow, I wish it was faster. It's near instantaneous already. I do not find the current tasks that I use my phone for to be slow, when on LTE. At home, my phone is on WIFI.

    So far, I see more disadvantages to 5G than I see benefits.

    It's like those pharma commercials that you can see on tv.

    If you take this pill everyday, it'll help eliminate your headaches, but side effects may include dizziness, fever, Ebola, AIDS, Cancer and possible death.




    edited November 2019 MplsPwatto_cobra
  • Reply 30 of 54
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,447member
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    Oh my god! Won’t someone think of the Gs?
    SoliGeorgeBMacwatto_cobra
  • Reply 31 of 54
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,966member
    apple ][ said:
    I admit that I don't know much about 5G at this present stage, but I have not yet read any good arguments as to how exactly 5G would benefit me or the average user for example. Why should people be excited for 5G? I have not yet seen any good arguments. If somebody is trying to sell something new, then shouldn't they be able to make a convincing case if they wish to succeed?

    Why would I want to pay more per month for an unproven and still in testing technology that will make phones most likely run hotter and diminish their battery time for something that will be of no noticeable difference to me?

    I do not download any mega large files on my phone and everything that I currently use my phone for works pretty well through LTE.

    When I'm in a store checking out via Apple Pay, it's not like I'm thinking, damn, this is so slow, I wish it was faster. It's near instantaneous already. I do not find the current tasks that I use my phone for to be slow, when on LTE. At home, my phone is on WIFI.

    So far, I see more disadvantages to 5G than I see benefits.

    It's like those pharma commercials that you can see on tv.

    If you take this pill everyday, it'll help eliminate your headaches, but side effects may include dizziness, fever, Ebola, AIDS, Cancer and possible death.
    That's the problem - no one has any true smartphone uses. They quote things like remote surgery, cars talking to each other to synchronize traffic, etc but when it comes down to what you would do with your iPhone people just say '5G will enable new features that haven't even been thought of yet' then turn around and bemoan the fact that their phone will be obsolete the day they buy it because it doesn't have 5G. The one possible benefit I can see is better connectivity in areas of congestion because of the increased number of connections allowed and better spectrum usage. It's not clear to me if those benefits will be limited to 5G phones or if people on 4G phones will see improvements as well.

    From all the reading I've done, most, if not all of the benefits of 5G will be in other areas besides smartphone use. One good thing - it requires improvements to the infrastructure backbone, so it's very likely that you will see benefits even if your phone is a 'lowly' 4G model. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 32 of 54
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
  • Reply 33 of 54
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    MplsP said:
    apple ][ said:
    I admit that I don't know much about 5G at this present stage, but I have not yet read any good arguments as to how exactly 5G would benefit me or the average user for example. Why should people be excited for 5G? I have not yet seen any good arguments. If somebody is trying to sell something new, then shouldn't they be able to make a convincing case if they wish to succeed?

    Why would I want to pay more per month for an unproven and still in testing technology that will make phones most likely run hotter and diminish their battery time for something that will be of no noticeable difference to me?

    I do not download any mega large files on my phone and everything that I currently use my phone for works pretty well through LTE.

    When I'm in a store checking out via Apple Pay, it's not like I'm thinking, damn, this is so slow, I wish it was faster. It's near instantaneous already. I do not find the current tasks that I use my phone for to be slow, when on LTE. At home, my phone is on WIFI.

    So far, I see more disadvantages to 5G than I see benefits.

    It's like those pharma commercials that you can see on tv.

    If you take this pill everyday, it'll help eliminate your headaches, but side effects may include dizziness, fever, Ebola, AIDS, Cancer and possible death.
    That's the problem - no one has any true smartphone uses. They quote things like remote surgery, cars talking to each other to synchronize traffic, etc but when it comes down to what you would do with your iPhone people just say '5G will enable new features that haven't even been thought of yet' then turn around and bemoan the fact that their phone will be obsolete the day they buy it because it doesn't have 5G. The one possible benefit I can see is better connectivity in areas of congestion because of the increased number of connections allowed and better spectrum usage. It's not clear to me if those benefits will be limited to 5G phones or if people on 4G phones will see improvements as well.

    From all the reading I've done, most, if not all of the benefits of 5G will be in other areas besides smartphone use. One good thing - it requires improvements to the infrastructure backbone, so it's very likely that you will see benefits even if your phone is a 'lowly' 4G model. 
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    Aside from numerous examples that others have pointed out to you, it has also been pointed out that advances in communications technology have always introduced NEW uses for computing because functionality always expands to fully utilize the available technology.  You can claim that "It won't happen THIS time!" but you would be wrong. 

    Even profit centric American carriers are investing many Billions of dollars -- in fact, they're betting their company -- on rolling out 5G as quickly as they can.  And countries where government takes a more active role, and are less backwards, are racing ahead of the U.S.   If your prediction is correct, they simply wouldn't be doing that.

    I'll go with the experts and history.  It all points to the fact that 5G is the future and as a technological leader, Apple is dragging its feet.
  • Reply 34 of 54
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,966member
    MplsP said:
    apple ][ said:
    I admit that I don't know much about 5G at this present stage, but I have not yet read any good arguments as to how exactly 5G would benefit me or the average user for example. Why should people be excited for 5G? I have not yet seen any good arguments. If somebody is trying to sell something new, then shouldn't they be able to make a convincing case if they wish to succeed?

    Why would I want to pay more per month for an unproven and still in testing technology that will make phones most likely run hotter and diminish their battery time for something that will be of no noticeable difference to me?

    I do not download any mega large files on my phone and everything that I currently use my phone for works pretty well through LTE.

    When I'm in a store checking out via Apple Pay, it's not like I'm thinking, damn, this is so slow, I wish it was faster. It's near instantaneous already. I do not find the current tasks that I use my phone for to be slow, when on LTE. At home, my phone is on WIFI.

    So far, I see more disadvantages to 5G than I see benefits.

    It's like those pharma commercials that you can see on tv.

    If you take this pill everyday, it'll help eliminate your headaches, but side effects may include dizziness, fever, Ebola, AIDS, Cancer and possible death.
    That's the problem - no one has any true smartphone uses. They quote things like remote surgery, cars talking to each other to synchronize traffic, etc but when it comes down to what you would do with your iPhone people just say '5G will enable new features that haven't even been thought of yet' then turn around and bemoan the fact that their phone will be obsolete the day they buy it because it doesn't have 5G. The one possible benefit I can see is better connectivity in areas of congestion because of the increased number of connections allowed and better spectrum usage. It's not clear to me if those benefits will be limited to 5G phones or if people on 4G phones will see improvements as well.

    From all the reading I've done, most, if not all of the benefits of 5G will be in other areas besides smartphone use. One good thing - it requires improvements to the infrastructure backbone, so it's very likely that you will see benefits even if your phone is a 'lowly' 4G model. 
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    Aside from numerous examples that others have pointed out to you, it has also been pointed out that advances in communications technology have always introduced NEW uses for computing because functionality always expands to fully utilize the available technology.  You can claim that "It won't happen THIS time!" but you would be wrong. 

    Even profit centric American carriers are investing many Billions of dollars -- in fact, they're betting their company -- on rolling out 5G as quickly as they can.  And countries where government takes a more active role, and are less backwards, are racing ahead of the U.S.   If your prediction is correct, they simply wouldn't be doing that.

    I'll go with the experts and history.  It all points to the fact that 5G is the future and as a technological leader, Apple is dragging its feet.
    It’s amazing how you contradict yourself in your desperate contortions to justify your position. First you say 4G is obsolete, then you say that the whole point of 5G is the new uses it will allow but haven’t been invented yet. How can 4G be obsolete if the uses (and need) for 5G don’t exist yet? Have you thrown away your 4G phone yet?

    You really are quite the piece of work. you say one thing first, then say something completely different, then try to deny that you said the first thing, then go right back to it. 
     
    I’m afraid I neglected to realize I was arguing with an idiot and have been beaten by experience. 
    fastasleepSoliwatto_cobra
  • Reply 35 of 54
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,388member
    An Australian 5G ad has a collection of nerds stereotypes straight from various America popular programs arguing about what latency is. 

    It is very poor and nonconpelling  sales pitch if the team thought that was a good idea.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 36 of 54
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.

    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    edited November 2019 MplsPSoliwatto_cobra
  • Reply 37 of 54
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,966member
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.

    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    Comprehension isn’t a key part of George’s thought processes. It tends to get in the way of his diatribes. 
    Solifastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 38 of 54
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    I understand this sort of thing from people that don't try to follow to tech, but someone here claiming that 4G is now "no longer produced or used" simply because we some nascent 5G installations have begun still boggles my mine after all these years.
    fastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 39 of 54
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.

    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
  • Reply 40 of 54
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    I understand this sort of thing from people that don't try to follow to tech, but someone here claiming that 4G is now "no longer produced or used" simply because we some nascent 5G installations have begun still boggles my mine after all these years.
    The only person who said that lives in your head.
     
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