Qualcomm hints 5G iPhone coming in 2020, analysts say

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  • Reply 41 of 54
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    MplsP said:
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.

    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    Comprehension isn’t a key part of George’s thought processes. It tends to get in the way of his diatribes. 
    LOL...  Because you can't see the truth -- or more likely won't see it, does not make me wrong.  But it does say something about you.
  • Reply 42 of 54
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    I understand this sort of thing from people that don't try to follow to tech, but someone here claiming that 4G is now "no longer produced or used" simply because we some nascent 5G installations have begun still boggles my mine after all these years.
    The only person who said that lives in your head.
    ob·so·lete | ˌäbsəˈlēt |
    adjective
    1 no longer produced or used; out of date: the disposal of old and obsolete machinery | the phrase was obsolete after 1625.
    MplsPfastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 43 of 54
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,966member
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    I understand this sort of thing from people that don't try to follow to tech, but someone here claiming that 4G is now "no longer produced or used" simply because we some nascent 5G installations have begun still boggles my mine after all these years.
    The only person who said that lives in your head.
    ob·so·lete | ˌäbsəˈlēt |
    adjective
    1 no longer produced or used; out of date: the disposal of old and obsolete machinery | the phrase was obsolete after 1625.
    Now, now - don't confuse him with the facts!
    Solifastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 44 of 54
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    I understand this sort of thing from people that don't try to follow to tech, but someone here claiming that 4G is now "no longer produced or used" simply because we some nascent 5G installations have begun still boggles my mine after all these years.
    The only person who said that lives in your head.
    ob·so·lete | ˌäbsəˈlēt |
    adjective
    1 no longer produced or used; out of date: the disposal of old and obsolete machinery | the phrase was obsolete after 1625.
    Very good!   You learned how to define the words that you, yourself made up!  
  • Reply 45 of 54
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    I understand this sort of thing from people that don't try to follow to tech, but someone here claiming that 4G is now "no longer produced or used" simply because we some nascent 5G installations have begun still boggles my mine after all these years.
    The only person who said that lives in your head.
    ob·so·lete | ˌäbsəˈlēt |
    adjective
    1 no longer produced or used; out of date: the disposal of old and obsolete machinery | the phrase was obsolete after 1625.
    Very good!   You learned how to define the words that you, yourself made up!  
    Oh, not only did you not use the word obsolete, I've now made up the word. Good one!
    edited November 2019 fastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 46 of 54
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    I understand this sort of thing from people that don't try to follow to tech, but someone here claiming that 4G is now "no longer produced or used" simply because we some nascent 5G installations have begun still boggles my mine after all these years.
    The only person who said that lives in your head.
    ob·so·lete | ˌäbsəˈlēt |
    adjective
    1 no longer produced or used; out of date: the disposal of old and obsolete machinery | the phrase was obsolete after 1625.
    Very good!   You learned how to define the words that you, yourself made up!  
    Oh, not only did you not use the word obsolete, I've now made up the word. Good one!
    It was you that "quoted" me saying "no longer used or produced".   That's made up.

    And, by the way, while that is ONE of the meanings of the word, another is:  "Of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date:  an obsolete [technology]" which is exactly what your cherished 4G is becoming.
  • Reply 47 of 54
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.

    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    Is there an echo in here?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 48 of 54
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    I understand this sort of thing from people that don't try to follow to tech, but someone here claiming that 4G is now "no longer produced or used" simply because we some nascent 5G installations have begun still boggles my mine after all these years.
    The only person who said that lives in your head.
    ob·so·lete | ˌäbsəˈlēt |
    adjective
    1 no longer produced or used; out of date: the disposal of old and obsolete machinery | the phrase was obsolete after 1625.
    Very good!   You learned how to define the words that you, yourself made up!  
    Oh, not only did you not use the word obsolete, I've now made up the word. Good one!
    It was you that "quoted" me saying "no longer used or produced".   That's made up.

    And, by the way, while that is ONE of the meanings of the word, another is:  "Of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date:  an obsolete [technology]" which is exactly what your cherished 4G is becoming.
    That definition works, too. Unfortunately for you it hurts your point even further unless you want to argue that 99.99% of all new cellular-capable devices are old-fashioned and 99.9999% of all cell towers have been discarded because a handful of 5G towers have been put up. Good luck with that.

    What you still fail to understand is the use of future, present, and past tense in relation to the term "obsolete" when it comes to a specific technology within a specific reference. You can't reasonably state that 4G has been discarded (yet you just doubled-down on it). You can't even say that 4G is now being obsolesced today because 5G has started some minor build out. You could argue that 3G is being obsolesced in favour of 4G because that is what is happening and will continue to happen. We're not even at a point where obsolescing has begun but you decided to jump to 4G having been discarded, being old-fashioned, no long being produced, and no longer in use.
    edited November 2019 fastasleepMplsPwatto_cobra
  • Reply 49 of 54
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,966member
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    I understand this sort of thing from people that don't try to follow to tech, but someone here claiming that 4G is now "no longer produced or used" simply because we some nascent 5G installations have begun still boggles my mine after all these years.
    The only person who said that lives in your head.
    ob·so·lete | ˌäbsəˈlēt |
    adjective
    1 no longer produced or used; out of date: the disposal of old and obsolete machinery | the phrase was obsolete after 1625.
    Very good!   You learned how to define the words that you, yourself made up!  
    Oh, not only did you not use the word obsolete, I've now made up the word. Good one!
    It was you that "quoted" me saying "no longer used or produced".   That's made up.

    And, by the way, while that is ONE of the meanings of the word, another is:  "Of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date:  an obsolete [technology]" which is exactly what your cherished 4G is becoming.
    That definition works, too. Unfortunately for you it hurts your point even further unless you want to argue that 99.99% of all new cellular-capable devices are old-fashioned and 99.9999% of all cell towers have been discarded because a handful of 5G towers have been put up. Good luck with that.

    What you still fail to understand is the use of future, present, and past tense in relation to the term "obsolete" when it comes to a specific technology within a specific reference. You can't reasonably state that 4G has been discarded (yet you just doubled-down on it). You can't even say that 4G is now being obsolesced today because 5G has started some minor build out. You could argue that 3G is being obsolesced in favour of 4G because that is what is happening and will continue to happen. We're not even at a point where obsolescing has begun but you decided to jump to 4G having been discarded, being old-fashioned, no long being produced, and no longer in use.
    There’s no point, soli. George can’t be bothered with reason or facts. Every time he’s confronted with them he’ll deny he said something, use a straw man argument to claim you said something you never said, change his story or just plain lie. 

    Solifastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 50 of 54
    jd_in_sbjd_in_sb Posts: 1,600member
    2020 will be a great year for Qualcomm but there is 100% certainty that they will lose Apple as a customer within the next 5 years. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 51 of 54
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    MplsP said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    I understand this sort of thing from people that don't try to follow to tech, but someone here claiming that 4G is now "no longer produced or used" simply because we some nascent 5G installations have begun still boggles my mine after all these years.
    The only person who said that lives in your head.
    ob·so·lete | ˌäbsəˈlēt |
    adjective
    1 no longer produced or used; out of date: the disposal of old and obsolete machinery | the phrase was obsolete after 1625.
    Very good!   You learned how to define the words that you, yourself made up!  
    Oh, not only did you not use the word obsolete, I've now made up the word. Good one!
    It was you that "quoted" me saying "no longer used or produced".   That's made up.

    And, by the way, while that is ONE of the meanings of the word, another is:  "Of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date:  an obsolete [technology]" which is exactly what your cherished 4G is becoming.
    That definition works, too. Unfortunately for you it hurts your point even further unless you want to argue that 99.99% of all new cellular-capable devices are old-fashioned and 99.9999% of all cell towers have been discarded because a handful of 5G towers have been put up. Good luck with that.

    What you still fail to understand is the use of future, present, and past tense in relation to the term "obsolete" when it comes to a specific technology within a specific reference. You can't reasonably state that 4G has been discarded (yet you just doubled-down on it). You can't even say that 4G is now being obsolesced today because 5G has started some minor build out. You could argue that 3G is being obsolesced in favour of 4G because that is what is happening and will continue to happen. We're not even at a point where obsolescing has begun but you decided to jump to 4G having been discarded, being old-fashioned, no long being produced, and no longer in use.
    There’s no point, soli. George can’t be bothered with reason or facts. Every time he’s confronted with them he’ll deny he said something, use a straw man argument to claim you said something you never said, change his story or just plain lie. 

    So, because you ignore multiple arguments from multiple people, and look foolish because your arguments have no validity -- you switch to personal insults.   WEAK!
  • Reply 52 of 54
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    I understand this sort of thing from people that don't try to follow to tech, but someone here claiming that 4G is now "no longer produced or used" simply because we some nascent 5G installations have begun still boggles my mine after all these years.
    The only person who said that lives in your head.
    ob·so·lete | ˌäbsəˈlēt |
    adjective
    1 no longer produced or used; out of date: the disposal of old and obsolete machinery | the phrase was obsolete after 1625.
    Very good!   You learned how to define the words that you, yourself made up!  
    Oh, not only did you not use the word obsolete, I've now made up the word. Good one!
    It was you that "quoted" me saying "no longer used or produced".   That's made up.

    And, by the way, while that is ONE of the meanings of the word, another is:  "Of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date:  an obsolete [technology]" which is exactly what your cherished 4G is becoming.
    That definition works, too. Unfortunately for you it hurts your point even further unless you want to argue that 99.99% of all new cellular-capable devices are old-fashioned and 99.9999% of all cell towers have been discarded because a handful of 5G towers have been put up. Good luck with that.

    What you still fail to understand is the use of future, present, and past tense in relation to the term "obsolete" when it comes to a specific technology within a specific reference. You can't reasonably state that 4G has been discarded (yet you just doubled-down on it). You can't even say that 4G is now being obsolesced today because 5G has started some minor build out. You could argue that 3G is being obsolesced in favour of 4G because that is what is happening and will continue to happen. We're not even at a point where obsolescing has begun but you decided to jump to 4G having been discarded, being old-fashioned, no long being produced, and no longer in use.
    Again, I never said that either...
    But, in technology, once a superior technology is released, the old quickly becomes increasingly and rapidly obsolete.
    The analogy is trying to sell 3G phones once 4G LTE was released.  Anybody buying one was a fool.

    Is it that you do not understand that -- or don't want to understand that? 
    avon b7muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 53 of 54
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    I understand this sort of thing from people that don't try to follow to tech, but someone here claiming that 4G is now "no longer produced or used" simply because we some nascent 5G installations have begun still boggles my mine after all these years.
    The only person who said that lives in your head.
    ob·so·lete | ˌäbsəˈlēt |
    adjective
    1 no longer produced or used; out of date: the disposal of old and obsolete machinery | the phrase was obsolete after 1625.
    Very good!   You learned how to define the words that you, yourself made up!  
    Oh, not only did you not use the word obsolete, I've now made up the word. Good one!
    It was you that "quoted" me saying "no longer used or produced".   That's made up.

    And, by the way, while that is ONE of the meanings of the word, another is:  "Of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date:  an obsolete [technology]" which is exactly what your cherished 4G is becoming.
    That definition works, too. Unfortunately for you it hurts your point even further unless you want to argue that 99.99% of all new cellular-capable devices are old-fashioned and 99.9999% of all cell towers have been discarded because a handful of 5G towers have been put up. Good luck with that.

    What you still fail to understand is the use of future, present, and past tense in relation to the term "obsolete" when it comes to a specific technology within a specific reference. You can't reasonably state that 4G has been discarded (yet you just doubled-down on it). You can't even say that 4G is now being obsolesced today because 5G has started some minor build out. You could argue that 3G is being obsolesced in favour of 4G because that is what is happening and will continue to happen. We're not even at a point where obsolescing has begun but you decided to jump to 4G having been discarded, being old-fashioned, no long being produced, and no longer in use.
    Again, I never said that either...
    But, in technology, once a superior technology is released, the old quickly becomes increasingly and rapidly obsolete.
    The analogy is trying to sell 3G phones once 4G LTE was released.  Anybody buying one was a fool.

    Is it that you do not understand that -- or don't want to understand that? 
    Nope. Your word choice, your premature affirmation, your selection of tense, and your decision to claim that I made up the definition to obsolete, and even your laughable defense to say you mean that it been discarded. Frankly, I don't see how you have gotten to your age and not understand how technology evolves, much less the definition of a common word like obsolete.
    fastasleep
  • Reply 54 of 54
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    MplsP said:
    georgie01 said:
    cropr said:

    Don't take your local situation for the rest the world.  In some countries 5G has really taken off.  In these countries there will be a lot of 5G phones sold in the upcoming Christmas period. 

    This isn’t like moving from 3G to LTE. LTE speeds satisfy 99.9% of users needs, as it brings mobile internet more inline with home broadband. There is currently nothing available where 5G has real benefit for the vast majority of users.

    Until there is function to satisfy the speeds, there is no purpose for 5G. Right now it’s little more than ‘just because we can’. 5G phones being sold are, at best, an investment in the future.
    They said much the same about paved roads at the start of the 20th century.  
    That's actually a very good comparison. it took years (decades) for paved roads to be widely available. During that time, few people had cars that really needed the paved roads. It wasn't for years after they became available that they were actually a necessity and during that time, all of the older modes of transportation still worked just fine. 5G is just now starting to pave the first wireless roads. until we actually have a widespread 5G highway system any use will be limited at best.
    So do you use your buggy to get to work, or just hop on your horse?
    And are you seriously suggesting we wait "years" for the next generation wireless?   China is already working on 6G and we're stuck here in the U.S. with barely functional 4G.
    A reasonable person who believes that our 4G is "barely functional" would want for it to be developed out more so that it can work better, have greater coverage, and faster speeds, all while being built up to be a good foundation for future technologies. What's really bizarre about someone who frequents a tech site is that you don't know understand the rudimentary aspects of how these technologies work, have no desire to even consider the logistical aspects of what it entails to add a new radio to a device, nor have any comprehension of what a 5G iPhone would do for you today.
    LOL... why would any "reasonable person" invest in obsolete technology like 4G?  It sounds like it is you who do not understand these technologies. 
    How exactly is it "obsolete" when almost all phones out there are using it just fine? It sounds like you do not understand these technologies.
    They used the same arguments against those horseless carriage contraptions.
    OMG loooooooool
    I understand this sort of thing from people that don't try to follow to tech, but someone here claiming that 4G is now "no longer produced or used" simply because we some nascent 5G installations have begun still boggles my mine after all these years.
    The only person who said that lives in your head.
    ob·so·lete | ˌäbsəˈlēt |
    adjective
    1 no longer produced or used; out of date: the disposal of old and obsolete machinery | the phrase was obsolete after 1625.
    Very good!   You learned how to define the words that you, yourself made up!  
    Oh, not only did you not use the word obsolete, I've now made up the word. Good one!
    It was you that "quoted" me saying "no longer used or produced".   That's made up.

    And, by the way, while that is ONE of the meanings of the word, another is:  "Of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date:  an obsolete [technology]" which is exactly what your cherished 4G is becoming.
    That definition works, too. Unfortunately for you it hurts your point even further unless you want to argue that 99.99% of all new cellular-capable devices are old-fashioned and 99.9999% of all cell towers have been discarded because a handful of 5G towers have been put up. Good luck with that.

    What you still fail to understand is the use of future, present, and past tense in relation to the term "obsolete" when it comes to a specific technology within a specific reference. You can't reasonably state that 4G has been discarded (yet you just doubled-down on it). You can't even say that 4G is now being obsolesced today because 5G has started some minor build out. You could argue that 3G is being obsolesced in favour of 4G because that is what is happening and will continue to happen. We're not even at a point where obsolescing has begun but you decided to jump to 4G having been discarded, being old-fashioned, no long being produced, and no longer in use.
    Again, I never said that either...
    But, in technology, once a superior technology is released, the old quickly becomes increasingly and rapidly obsolete.
    The analogy is trying to sell 3G phones once 4G LTE was released.  Anybody buying one was a fool.

    Is it that you do not understand that -- or don't want to understand that? 
    The iPhone 4S was a fine phone and well worth buying even though there were 4G masts going up in some places.  There are still plenty of them about, they work ok.

    One doesn't have to surf the wave to enjoy the water.
    Solifastasleep
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