Apple purchases carbon-free aluminum from Quebec-based Elysis

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Apple purchases their first batch of carbon-free aluminum, which could greatly lessen the environmental damage caused by manufacturing Apple products.




The metal, created by Montreal-based Elysis, is produced in such a way that it lessens the environmental impact of smelting aluminum.

Elysis is a joint venture o falcon Corp and Rio Tinto and was announced in 2018. Elysis received $144 million in funding from the two companies, Apple, and Canadian and Quebecois governments.

Traditionally, aluminum is extremely carbon intensive to produce, and involves passing an electrical current through a carbon anode. The carbon is burnt off during the process and then released into the atmosphere. The process has been linked to air pollution, climate change, and global CO2 increases.

The new process, which Elysis wants to commercialize by 2024, uses a ceramic anode. When electrified, the anode emits only oxygen as a waste product. This eliminates direct greenhouse gas emissions and carbon particulate matter from the smelting process.

If utilized, the carbon-free aluminum will help to lessen the environmental impact of producing consumer electronics and goods. For companies like Apple, roughly 70% of their carbon footprint tends to be in the supply-chain.

Lisa Jackson, Apple's Vice President of environment, policy, and social initiatives spoke positively of the process.

"For more than 130 years, aluminum - a material common to so many products consumers use daily - has been produced the same way," said Jackson. "That's about to change."

The first batch of carbon-free aluminum has been made in a facility outside of Pittsburgh. Elysis is currently planning to manufacture it at a $50 million CAD facility being built in Quebec. The facility is expected to be finished in the second half of 2020.

Apple and Elysis would not disclose the size or cost of the first purchase, according to according to Reuters. It has been described as a "commercial batch," and the process is expected to be less expensive than traditional aluminum smelting.
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  • Reply 1 of 23
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    Being the cynic I am I’ll just say that it’s never enough for the environmental activist crowd. Apple could become 100% eco-friendly and that crowd would find something else to tear the company down over. They cannot bring themselves to give even the slightest nod for Apple’s actions and progress. Apple is their target solely because Apple is actually trying to do better and is not ignoring them like so many other manufacturers. 
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  • Reply 2 of 23
    realisticrealistic Posts: 1,154member
    It would be nice to see the Pittsburg USA facility continue to manufacture this aluminum versus building a new plant in Quebec.
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  • Reply 3 of 23
    MacQcMacQc Posts: 14member
    realistic said:
    It would be nice to see the Pittsburg USA facility continue to manufacture this aluminum versus bulling a new plant in Quebec.
    Sorry, but "Go Quebec!" ; )
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  • Reply 4 of 23
    d_2d_2 Posts: 123member
    realistic said:
    It would be nice to see the Pittsburgh USA facility continue to manufacture this aluminum versus building a new plant in Quebec.
    Agreed, where manufacturing and many other significant technology developments have been happening for the past century+

    guessing Quebec due to the Canadian governments’ investments
    acheron2018
  • Reply 5 of 23
    mknelsonmknelson Posts: 1,141member
    realistic said:
    It would be nice to see the Pittsburg USA facility continue to manufacture this aluminum versus building a new plant in Quebec.
    Quebec produces 99% of its electricity from nominally carbon free sources. In Pennsylvania it's about 4%.
    https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/nrg/ntgrtd/mrkt/nrgsstmprfls/qc-eng.html
    https://compareelectricity.com/energy-sources/PA
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  • Reply 6 of 23
    Tim Cook will have to let Individual 1 stand next to him and brag that he founded Apple, if he wants to avoid tariffs. 
    jony0
  • Reply 7 of 23
    knowitallknowitall Posts: 1,648member
    mknelson said:
    realistic said:
    It would be nice to see the Pittsburg USA facility continue to manufacture this aluminum versus building a new plant in Quebec.
    Quebec produces 99% of its electricity from nominally carbon free sources. In Pennsylvania it's about 4%.
    https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/nrg/ntgrtd/mrkt/nrgsstmprfls/qc-eng.html
    https://compareelectricity.com/energy-sources/PA
    Thats nice, because “the electric current through a now ceramic anode” needs to come from somewhere.
    Easy question: why wasn't this done earlier, is it really such a big deal, or did no one care?

    This doesn't solve the decencies on oil (please don't call it carbon, oil just isn't) by the way.
    Maybe ask Musk to transport it with his Semi, or maybe cybertruck.

    jony0
  • Reply 8 of 23
    Aluminum is a very costly metal to produce due to the energy consumption needed during smelting.  This is why all aluminum smelters are located in the lowest electricity cost areas far from the mined sources of Bauxit, thus contributing to its carbon footprint due to high transportation costs per tonne.  On the plus side Aluminum is easily recycled and has a very high global recycle rate, something that is usually not accounted for when describing Aluminum's carbon footprint.

    For a deep dive into Aluminum carbon footprint and processes:

    https://blog.sintef.com/sintefenergy/energy-efficiency/aluminium-electrolysis-using-inert-anodes/

    http://www.world-aluminium.org/media/filer_public/2018/11/22/carbon_footprint_technical_support_document_v1_published.pdf

    Net, net is that Apple will be a key initial user for this new (and more costly technology), and as such is supporting  a new innovation for Aluminum production.

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  • Reply 9 of 23
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 13,058member
    lkrupp said:
    Being the cynic I am I’ll just say that it’s never enough for the environmental activist crowd. Apple could become 100% eco-friendly and that crowd would find something else to tear the company down over. They cannot bring themselves to give even the slightest nod for Apple’s actions and progress. Apple is their target solely because Apple is actually trying to do better and is not ignoring them like so many other manufacturers. 
    It's just you. Greenpeace has awarded Apple numerous times over the years, praising their continued, impressive effort.

    https://9to5mac.com/2017/01/10/greenpeace-apple-greenest-company-in-the-world-2017/
    https://www.cultofmac.com/322406/greenpeace-awards-apple-straight-as-for-energy-policy/
    https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/apple-wins-epa-award-for-helping-to-lead-the-clean-energy-revolution-in-north-carolina/
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  • Reply 10 of 23
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    Wait, what about the power plants needed to generate the huge amount of current need for the electrode, or the huge amount of carbon needed to mining the boxide and transport it to places around the world. So they eliminate the carbon coming out off the processing the boxide into AL but not all the carbon needed to get to that point.
  • Reply 11 of 23
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    realistic said:
    It would be nice to see the Pittsburg USA facility continue to manufacture this aluminum versus building a new plant in Quebec.

    That would be good since the plant in Pittsburgh gets it power from Nuclear, and that is carbon free electricity. 
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  • Reply 12 of 23
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,267member
    maestro64 said:
    Wait, what about the power plants needed to generate the huge amount of current need for the electrode, or the huge amount of carbon needed to mining the boxide and transport it to places around the world. So they eliminate the carbon coming out off the processing the boxide into AL but not all the carbon needed to get to that point.
    That is why the plant is in Canada. It has hydro and nukes.
    As I recall Australia is the worlds biggest bauxite and aluminium producer, and with its small population a key reason it is a high per capital greenhouse gas emitter. Efforts to deal with this problem are causing electricity prices to rise rapidly in Australia, as it is trying to leap from coal to solar and wind, as hydro isn’t a scalable option in the dry, flat continent, and it is skipping gas and nuclear that can produce the bulk, firming backup wind and solar just can’t do at need.

    ironically this will price aluminium manufacture out of the country to its neighbours. This might help the per capita emissions figure for Australia, but no doubt the new facilities will be located in countries that get a free pass on emissions and will be less stringent. So probably result in an increase in global emissions.
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  • Reply 13 of 23
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,898moderator
    maestro64 said:
    Wait, what about the power plants needed to generate the huge amount of current need for the electrode, or the huge amount of carbon needed to mining the boxide and transport it to places around the world. So they eliminate the carbon coming out off the processing the boxide into AL but not all the carbon needed to get to that point.
    One step in the right direction is better than none.  When I read the article I thought. ‘I bet Apple is also looking into replacing aluminum some years down the road, even if it takes a decade.  There must be another material that could provide the same attributes with lower environmental impact.’
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 14 of 23
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,305member
    maestro64 said:
    Wait, what about the power plants needed to generate the huge amount of current need for the electrode, or the huge amount of carbon needed to mining the boxide and transport it to places around the world. So they eliminate the carbon coming out off the processing the boxide into AL but not all the carbon needed to get to that point.
    One step in the right direction is better than none.  When I read the article I thought. ‘I bet Apple is also looking into replacing aluminum some years down the road, even if it takes a decade.  There must be another material that could provide the same attributes with lower environmental impact.’
    Yes, it's called carbon fiber...Except carbon fiber is 5x more energy intensive to produce than steel. For now, at least.

  • Reply 15 of 23
    Appleish said:
    Tim Cook will have to let Individual 1 stand next to him and brag that he founded Apple, if he wants to avoid tariffs. 

    Well that's a stupid comment which also has the added stupidity of having nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
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  • Reply 16 of 23
    pmcdpmcd Posts: 396member
    mknelson said:
    realistic said:
    It would be nice to see the Pittsburg USA facility continue to manufacture this aluminum versus building a new plant in Quebec.
    Quebec produces 99% of its electricity from nominally carbon free sources. In Pennsylvania it's about 4%.
    https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/nrg/ntgrtd/mrkt/nrgsstmprfls/qc-eng.html
    https://compareelectricity.com/energy-sources/PA

    How nice, after they ruined a good chunk of the northern part of the province with its James Bay project, which produces a great deal of its “clean” energy. Not to mention the sleazy treatment of a neighboring province involving Churchill Falls, another huge source of its hydro capabilities.

    After wrecking a large chunk of northern geography, buying off people who could no longer live there and accepting billions of dollars in transfer payments from “dirty oil” I don’t think that place is in any position to keep bragging about its low CO2 footprint. It’s all a darned pr campaign to make money.
    SpamSandwichcat52
  • Reply 17 of 23
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    hexclock said:
    maestro64 said:
    Wait, what about the power plants needed to generate the huge amount of current need for the electrode, or the huge amount of carbon needed to mining the boxide and transport it to places around the world. So they eliminate the carbon coming out off the processing the boxide into AL but not all the carbon needed to get to that point.
    One step in the right direction is better than none.  When I read the article I thought. ‘I bet Apple is also looking into replacing aluminum some years down the road, even if it takes a decade.  There must be another material that could provide the same attributes with lower environmental impact.’
    Yes, it's called carbon fiber...Except carbon fiber is 5x more energy intensive to produce than steel. For now, at least.
    So it's not carbon fibre then, for now at least.
  • Reply 18 of 23
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member
    realistic said:
    It would be nice to see the Pittsburg USA facility continue to manufacture this aluminum versus building a new plant in Quebec.
    Don't forget the "h", Pittsburgh.  ;)

    MacQc said:
    realistic said:
    It would be nice to see the Pittsburg USA facility continue to manufacture this aluminum versus bulling a new plant in Quebec.
    Sorry, but "Go Quebec!" ; )
    Well at least you can be a Penguins fan.  :D
  • Reply 19 of 23
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,604member
    emoeller said:
    Aluminum is a very costly metal to produce due to the energy consumption needed during smelting.  This is why all aluminum smelters are located in the lowest electricity cost areas far from the mined sources of Bauxit, thus contributing to its carbon footprint due to high transportation costs per tonne.  On the plus side Aluminum is easily recycled and has a very high global recycle rate, something that is usually not accounted for when describing Aluminum's carbon footprint.

    For a deep dive into Aluminum carbon footprint and processes:

    https://blog.sintef.com/sintefenergy/energy-efficiency/aluminium-electrolysis-using-inert-anodes/

    http://www.world-aluminium.org/media/filer_public/2018/11/22/carbon_footprint_technical_support_document_v1_published.pdf

    Net, net is that Apple will be a key initial user for this new (and more costly technology), and as such is supporting  a new innovation for Aluminum production.

    The article says this new aluminum will be less expensive for Apple, perhaps an equally good reason for using Elysis.  

    "Apple and Elysis would not disclose the size or cost of the first purchase, according to according to Reuters. It has been described as a "commercial batch," and the process is expected to be less expensive than traditional aluminum smelting.

    As for Apple's cost for the first commercial batch it is very likely close to their earlier "investment" in the company a few months ago IMO. The money came from Apple's Advanced Manufacturing Fund used for pre-purchase of materials and components not yet commercially available, and was not for any equity stake in Elysis.
    edited December 2019 muthuk_vanalingamjony0
  • Reply 20 of 23
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    hexclock said:
    maestro64 said:
    Wait, what about the power plants needed to generate the huge amount of current need for the electrode, or the huge amount of carbon needed to mining the boxide and transport it to places around the world. So they eliminate the carbon coming out off the processing the boxide into AL but not all the carbon needed to get to that point.
    One step in the right direction is better than none.  When I read the article I thought. ‘I bet Apple is also looking into replacing aluminum some years down the road, even if it takes a decade.  There must be another material that could provide the same attributes with lower environmental impact.’
    Yes, it's called carbon fiber...Except carbon fiber is 5x more energy intensive to produce than steel. For now, at least.

    This is why the people who are screaming about all the carbon in the environment do not understand, everything takes power to produce, and no one is willing to give up on their widgets. They want it all without the guilt. We lost 50 yrs of Research and Develop because the same type of people were screaming about nuclear and how we all were going to die from it. If we spent the last 50 refining Nuclear we could have the clean and safety power without all the down sides of current systems. 

    BTW Solar and Wind is not the answer, it can never produce enough energy run all the manufacturing. Keep in mind Manufacturing use big power high wattage, High Voltage and High Current.

    So yes Apple is taking baby steps and I happy to see that, but it does not solve the problem.
    cat52pmcdjony0
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