That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
4 more years.......
Sadly, I think you are correct.
Happily, I am correct.
Unless you’re among the multi-millionaire executive class that benefits from corporate welfare and tax policy benefitting those with capital gains income vs honest payroll income, which is unlikely if you’re commenting here, I see little reason for your supposed joy other than mindless dogmatic tribalism. But you do you.
No I'm not a multi-millionaire I'm retired with a small pension but I do know that the un-employment is better than it has been in years, my son is in the union and before Trump the hall was full of un-employed workers but now there is hardly any in the hall needing a job. Open your eyes and look around .....
Just stop it ... people dropping out of the workforce making unemployment look better doesn't mean it's better. Your son's union finding work doesn't represent the entire country or real job creation. Working age people giving up on finding a jobs props things up and this makes you and many others think this man is actually driving this.
I try and keep away from the political stuff.. but come on.
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.
Many countries in the West are closing down Confucius Institutes due to misuse as outlets for CCP propaganda, and actual abuse of refugees from Mainland China in the host countries. Here you are providing the same. Are you a part of the United Front, living in the West, propagandizing us? If you are, you are using our freedom of speech that does not exist in Mainland China, an Authoritarian Police State.
Your statement "India just passed laws banning Muslims from getting citizenship", is a good example of your whataboutism. China has been involved with East Turkestan (Xinjiang Region) for a long time, and there is plenty of evidence of human rights violations by China, so after years of inaction, our Congress and Senate have now reacted to that, as they have as well to what is happening in Hong Kong. Given time, we may see some action by Congress on India as well.
In the U.S., there are a plethora of excellent journalistic sources that provide checks and balances to Politicians and the Government, and even to other media sources. Obviously, you have no interest in those sources, as your government makes all of those decisions for you.
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
Sorry, but rumors, ancient history and vindictive propaganda don't count -- no matter how often or vehemently you proclaim them -- particularly if you refuse to apply the same criteria to yourself.
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.
Yes, that is so true. And ironic since it has been touted for most of my life as one of the inherent strengths of our country. But, today we have a president lacking in morals who lies more than he tells the truth and is backed by a powerful right wing propaganda machine deicated to spreading his propaganda -- and now has the world's most powerful military, intelligence and justice systems at his beck and call to lend credence and legitimacy to his false claims.
Yes, our free press has been weaponized as a political tool of a would be despot.
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.
Many countries in the West are closing down Confucius Institutes due to misuse as outlets for CCP propaganda, and actual abuse of refugees from Mainland China in the host countries. Here you are providing the same. Are you a part of the United Front, living in the West, propagandizing us? If you are, you are using our freedom of speech that does not exist in Mainland China, an Authoritarian Police State.
Your statement "India just passed laws banning Muslims from getting citizenship", is a good example of your whataboutism. China has been involved with East Turkestan (Xinjiang Region) for a long time, and there is plenty of evidence of human rights violations by China, so after years of inaction, our Congress and Senate have now reacted to that, as they have as well to what is happening in Hong Kong. Given time, we may see some action by Congress on India as well.
In the U.S., there are a plethora of excellent journalistic sources that provide checks and balances to Politicians and the Government, and even to other media sources. Obviously, you have no interest in those sources, as your government makes all of those decisions for you.
The measure should not be that the press is "free" but if it is true and accurate. Much of our press has been weaponized to spread right wing propaganda and support the wanna be despot occupying the White House. And it is apparent that you took their bait: "Look over there! Don't look at our own crimes and misdemeanors!".
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.
Yes, that is so true. And ironic since it has been touted for most of my life as one of the inherent strengths of our country. But, today we have a president lacking in morals who lies more than he tells the truth and is backed by a powerful right wing propaganda machine deicated to spreading his propaganda -- and now has the world's most powerful military, intelligence and justice systems at his beck and call to lend credence and legitimacy to his false claims.
Yes, our free press has been weaponized as a political tool of a would be despot.
Western civilization is based on two cultures, classical Greece and Christianity. Christianity displaced Greek culture after it became the Roman national religion. Christianity thinks human beings are born with sin or evil. Believing God is the only way for redemption. Chinese culture is based on Confucianism for over two thousand year. Confucianism thinks human being are born good. You became evil because of environment. Education is the way to learn to be good instead of becoming bad. And the government should be actively getting rid of bad people. For one thousand years Europeans daily live is for redemption just like Muslims today. Then modern science is born. Some intellectuals have doubts on the truthfulness of the Bible. But less educated people cannot understand science. They still believe in God wholeheartedly.When USA is founded the founding fathers realized this conflict. They passed amendment to protect freedom of speech so government cannot control religion. Government has to tolerate lies as long as people pretend the lies are for goodness. So what Chinese government did it in Xinjiang is based on the old Chinese culture not communism. The government tried to re-educate people because it thinks the terrorism activities there is people being led by bad environment. From my personal view point, I think humans beings are born with some evil. Christianity is more right than Confucianism. Freedom of speech forbids government to teach people and control people. For the ultra right ring white supremacists that think Chinese culture is bad and western culture is nice, please explain to me why western civilization created two world wars? I have not read any western scholar dare to explain thin in terms of culture. But they are very eager to blame any bad thing in China on Chinese culture. Freedom of speech is only good intellectuals. For low iq people, their speech is most likely flawed, illogical, and against facts. They use imagination to make up speeches.
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.
Yes, that is so true. And ironic since it has been touted for most of my life as one of the inherent strengths of our country. But, today we have a president lacking in morals who lies more than he tells the truth and is backed by a powerful right wing propaganda machine deicated to spreading his propaganda -- and now has the world's most powerful military, intelligence and justice systems at his beck and call to lend credence and legitimacy to his false claims.
Yes, our free press has been weaponized as a political tool of a would be despot.
Western civilization is based on two cultures, classical Greece and Christianity. Christianity displaced Greek culture after it became the Roman national religion. Christianity thinks human beings are born with sin or evil. Believing God is the only way for redemption. Chinese culture is based on Confucianism for over two thousand year. Confucianism thinks human being are born good. You became evil because of environment. Education is the way to learn to be good instead of becoming bad. And the government should be actively getting rid of bad people. For one thousand years Europeans daily live is for redemption just like Muslims today. Then modern science is born. Some intellectuals have doubts on the truthfulness of the Bible. But less educated people cannot understand science. They still believe in God wholeheartedly.When USA is founded the founding fathers realized this conflict. They passed amendment to protect freedom of speech so government cannot control religion. Government has to tolerate lies as long as people pretend the lies are for goodness. So what Chinese government did it in Xinjiang is based on the old Chinese culture not communism. The government tried to re-educate people because it thinks the terrorism activities there is people being led by bad environment. From my personal view point, I think humans beings are born with some evil. Christianity is more right than Confucianism. Freedom of speech forbids government to teach people and control people. For the ultra right ring white supremacists that think Chinese culture is bad and western culture is nice, please explain to me why western civilization created two world wars? I have not read any western scholar dare to explain thin in terms of culture. But they are very eager to blame any bad thing in China on Chinese culture. Freedom of speech is only good intellectuals. For low iq people, their speech is most likely flawed, illogical, and against facts. They use imagination to make up speeches.
That you are allowed to have free speech in our media, and push your talking points, yet we are not allowed to have free speech in yours, as anything anathema to China is blocked, is the ultimate hypocrisy, and of course, Chinese Diplomats are as well deeply involved in that.
"Please explain to me why Western Civilization created Two World ll Wars"
Please explain to me why China has been at war with itself or outsiders continually for over two thousand years, and more.
The Two World Wars were fought primarily over resources, and if my recollection is correct, it was the Japanese that brought the U.S. into World War II, not Germany or Italy, although our sympathies lay with our English speaking brethren.
For the record, China couldn't have started a World War prior to current days because they weren't technically advanced enough to do so. Now, the expectation is that China is going to launch military ventures throughout the South China Seas and the South Pacific in the near and medium term, because they have the technical means to do so, have a Blue Water Navy to prosecute such a war, and have the missile and rocket forces to prosecute a war on North America. You must be so proud.
Hence, why China is a threat to the West.
Still, China's economy is stalled, and its population growth has just about peaked, leading to a rapidly aging population that China will either have to support, or mitigate. Wars are great as distractions for internal problems. China's current policies have quite a bit of concurrency with Germany's during WWII; to eliminate minorities, minority religions, and minority cultures, and in China's case, drive towards a pure Han culture, which is at 92% today.
Gee, no wonder Westerners are rethinking our relationship with China.
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.
Yes, that is so true. And ironic since it has been touted for most of my life as one of the inherent strengths of our country. But, today we have a president lacking in morals who lies more than he tells the truth and is backed by a powerful right wing propaganda machine deicated to spreading his propaganda -- and now has the world's most powerful military, intelligence and justice systems at his beck and call to lend credence and legitimacy to his false claims.
Yes, our free press has been weaponized as a political tool of a would be despot.
Western civilization is based on two cultures, classical Greece and Christianity. Christianity displaced Greek culture after it became the Roman national religion. Christianity thinks human beings are born with sin or evil. Believing God is the only way for redemption. Chinese culture is based on Confucianism for over two thousand year. Confucianism thinks human being are born good. You became evil because of environment. Education is the way to learn to be good instead of becoming bad. And the government should be actively getting rid of bad people. For one thousand years Europeans daily live is for redemption just like Muslims today. Then modern science is born. Some intellectuals have doubts on the truthfulness of the Bible. But less educated people cannot understand science. They still believe in God wholeheartedly.When USA is founded the founding fathers realized this conflict. They passed amendment to protect freedom of speech so government cannot control religion. Government has to tolerate lies as long as people pretend the lies are for goodness. So what Chinese government did it in Xinjiang is based on the old Chinese culture not communism. The government tried to re-educate people because it thinks the terrorism activities there is people being led by bad environment. From my personal view point, I think humans beings are born with some evil. Christianity is more right than Confucianism. Freedom of speech forbids government to teach people and control people. For the ultra right ring white supremacists that think Chinese culture is bad and western culture is nice, please explain to me why western civilization created two world wars? I have not read any western scholar dare to explain thin in terms of culture. But they are very eager to blame any bad thing in China on Chinese culture. Freedom of speech is only good intellectuals. For low iq people, their speech is most likely flawed, illogical, and against facts. They use imagination to make up speeches.
That you are allowed to have free speech in our media, and push your talking points, yet we are not allowed to have free speech in yours, as anything anathema to China is blocked, is the ultimate hypocrisy, and of course, Chinese Diplomats are as well deeply involved in that.
"Please explain to me why Western Civilization created Two World ll Wars"
Please explain to me why China has been at war with itself or outsiders continually for over two thousand years, and more.
The Two World Wars were fought primarily over resources, and if my recollection is correct, it was the Japanese that brought the U.S. into World War II, not Germany or Italy, although our sympathies lay with our English speaking brethren.
For the record, China couldn't have started a World War prior to current days because they weren't technically advanced enough to do so. Now, the expectation is that China is going to launch military ventures throughout the South China Seas and the South Pacific in the near and medium term, because they have the technical means to do so, have a Blue Water Navy to prosecute such a war, and have the missile and rocket forces to prosecute a war on North America. You must be so proud.
Hence, why China is a threat to the West.
Still, China's economy is stalled, and its population growth has just about peaked, leading to a rapidly aging population that China will either have to support, or mitigate. Wars are great as distractions for internal problems. China's current policies have quite a bit of concurrency with Germany's during WWII; to eliminate minorities, minority religions, and minority cultures, and in China's case, drive towards a pure Han culture, which is at 92% today.
Gee, no wonder Westerners are rethinking our relationship with China.
You kind of proved his point when you (essentially) said: "Now that China is able to make war, they will". And, that's one of the main reasons why Trump is threatening China with U.S. military muscle: He too assumes that if one can make war that they will. It's just how he thinks. (Which is why its so curious why he ignores both Russia and N Korea who are the real threat).
He hasn't figured out that China simply wants a better, stronger, more prosperous country instead of power and control like Trump does.
In the meantime, the only real thing China has done wrong is to challenge the U.S. as the world's #1 economy. But, the U.S. has only itself to blame for that. But it hasn't figured that out yet as it remains in denial that it got fat, lazy and greedy and squandered its industrial might. But, since it cannot bear to admit that, it blames China. Pretty childish and immature.
And, by the way, China's economy is far from "stalled" -- its growing at over triple the rate of the U.S. Trump would give his right arm to have stats like China has.
Right now China is in essentially the same place the U.S. was 100 years ago and the U.S. is in the same place England was 100 years ago -- squandering what little might it has left maintaining a world wide military presence. Conversely, China has a strong base, a strong economy and hungry population looking to better itself -- and it isn't wasting resources trying to control the world. Meanwhile, aside from spending $700+ Billion a year on military, the U.S. is more interested in tax cuts and stock buybacks.
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.
Yes, that is so true. And ironic since it has been touted for most of my life as one of the inherent strengths of our country. But, today we have a president lacking in morals who lies more than he tells the truth and is backed by a powerful right wing propaganda machine deicated to spreading his propaganda -- and now has the world's most powerful military, intelligence and justice systems at his beck and call to lend credence and legitimacy to his false claims.
Yes, our free press has been weaponized as a political tool of a would be despot.
Western civilization is based on two cultures, classical Greece and Christianity. Christianity displaced Greek culture after it became the Roman national religion. Christianity thinks human beings are born with sin or evil. Believing God is the only way for redemption. Chinese culture is based on Confucianism for over two thousand year. Confucianism thinks human being are born good. You became evil because of environment. Education is the way to learn to be good instead of becoming bad. And the government should be actively getting rid of bad people. For one thousand years Europeans daily live is for redemption just like Muslims today. Then modern science is born. Some intellectuals have doubts on the truthfulness of the Bible. But less educated people cannot understand science. They still believe in God wholeheartedly.When USA is founded the founding fathers realized this conflict. They passed amendment to protect freedom of speech so government cannot control religion. Government has to tolerate lies as long as people pretend the lies are for goodness. So what Chinese government did it in Xinjiang is based on the old Chinese culture not communism. The government tried to re-educate people because it thinks the terrorism activities there is people being led by bad environment. From my personal view point, I think humans beings are born with some evil. Christianity is more right than Confucianism. Freedom of speech forbids government to teach people and control people. For the ultra right ring white supremacists that think Chinese culture is bad and western culture is nice, please explain to me why western civilization created two world wars? I have not read any western scholar dare to explain thin in terms of culture. But they are very eager to blame any bad thing in China on Chinese culture. Freedom of speech is only good intellectuals. For low iq people, their speech is most likely flawed, illogical, and against facts. They use imagination to make up speeches.
I think people are born with the capacity for both good and evil. And, it is a decision that each must make on a daily basis.
As for freedom of the press: right now China's is the stronger system. We just got done having Russia and the Far Right exploit our free press to overturn a national election through a disinformation campaign that continues to this day. And, while that is going on, the far right continues to use it in order to grow home grown terrorists.
Our free press is being weaponized and used against us by those who choose evil to attack the foundations of U.S. society. China simply wouldn't tolerate that.
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.
Yes, that is so true. And ironic since it has been touted for most of my life as one of the inherent strengths of our country. But, today we have a president lacking in morals who lies more than he tells the truth and is backed by a powerful right wing propaganda machine deicated to spreading his propaganda -- and now has the world's most powerful military, intelligence and justice systems at his beck and call to lend credence and legitimacy to his false claims.
Yes, our free press has been weaponized as a political tool of a would be despot.
Western civilization is based on two cultures, classical Greece and Christianity. Christianity displaced Greek culture after it became the Roman national religion. Christianity thinks human beings are born with sin or evil. Believing God is the only way for redemption. Chinese culture is based on Confucianism for over two thousand year. Confucianism thinks human being are born good. You became evil because of environment. Education is the way to learn to be good instead of becoming bad. And the government should be actively getting rid of bad people. For one thousand years Europeans daily live is for redemption just like Muslims today. Then modern science is born. Some intellectuals have doubts on the truthfulness of the Bible. But less educated people cannot understand science. They still believe in God wholeheartedly.When USA is founded the founding fathers realized this conflict. They passed amendment to protect freedom of speech so government cannot control religion. Government has to tolerate lies as long as people pretend the lies are for goodness. So what Chinese government did it in Xinjiang is based on the old Chinese culture not communism. The government tried to re-educate people because it thinks the terrorism activities there is people being led by bad environment. From my personal view point, I think humans beings are born with some evil. Christianity is more right than Confucianism. Freedom of speech forbids government to teach people and control people. For the ultra right ring white supremacists that think Chinese culture is bad and western culture is nice, please explain to me why western civilization created two world wars? I have not read any western scholar dare to explain thin in terms of culture. But they are very eager to blame any bad thing in China on Chinese culture. Freedom of speech is only good intellectuals. For low iq people, their speech is most likely flawed, illogical, and against facts. They use imagination to make up speeches.
That you are allowed to have free speech in our media, and push your talking points, yet we are not allowed to have free speech in yours, as anything anathema to China is blocked, is the ultimate hypocrisy, and of course, Chinese Diplomats are as well deeply involved in that.
"Please explain to me why Western Civilization created Two World ll Wars"
Please explain to me why China has been at war with itself or outsiders continually for over two thousand years, and more.
The Two World Wars were fought primarily over resources, and if my recollection is correct, it was the Japanese that brought the U.S. into World War II, not Germany or Italy, although our sympathies lay with our English speaking brethren.
For the record, China couldn't have started a World War prior to current days because they weren't technically advanced enough to do so. Now, the expectation is that China is going to launch military ventures throughout the South China Seas and the South Pacific in the near and medium term, because they have the technical means to do so, have a Blue Water Navy to prosecute such a war, and have the missile and rocket forces to prosecute a war on North America. You must be so proud.
Hence, why China is a threat to the West.
Still, China's economy is stalled, and its population growth has just about peaked, leading to a rapidly aging population that China will either have to support, or mitigate. Wars are great as distractions for internal problems. China's current policies have quite a bit of concurrency with Germany's during WWII; to eliminate minorities, minority religions, and minority cultures, and in China's case, drive towards a pure Han culture, which is at 92% today.
Gee, no wonder Westerners are rethinking our relationship with China.
Freedom of speech allowed you make these statements although some are against facts and some are out of imagination. Freedom of speech allowed an intellectual like me to tell what is wrong with your statement. Poor Saddam does not freedom of speech in US to dispel the WMD lies. His country is decimated by US forces because of these lies. You do not understand Chinese history. But I can tell you Confucianism is a peace-loving culture. That is why China built the Great Wall. Chinese farmers don't like war. Western merchants like war just as you admitted the two world wars are fighting for resources. Merchants like resources not farmers. China had internal wars because of imperialism. Some people fight for the supreme power of the emperor. China had external wars not because of the Han people. The Yuan dynasty is ruled by the Mongols what are not Hans. The Qing dynasty is ruled by the Manchurians whose original language is not Chinese. Both dynasties engaged in external wars. So basically you were fooled by the western propaganda against China. And the excursion of South China Seas is to protect the One Band One Route economic plan. China is surrounded by many nations. Each one is like a mouse trying to nick at the big elephant of China. Vietnam and Philipines are trying to claim the South China sea island as theirs. What is the consequences if they succeed? They can claim one hundred miles territory. This will block the trade rout of China. US will stand by them as one US representative has done so since twenty years ago. If you think this is untrue, I can tell you a story about Japan. Japan has claimed territory right of a coral land which is submerged under sea a lot of time. Japan put concert on it to make it higher. Taiwan fisherman trying to fish there was expelled. Yet US made zero statement condemning Japan. Is this according to the US principle? From what I see US is applying much higher human rings principle only to China. Iraqi government killed hundred of demonstrating people recently. You made no mention of it. And the US government still claim Iraqi government is our ally. Where is the high moral principle? You use imagination to say China is going to launch military ventures throughout the South China Seas. It is not based on facts and I have disproved it through facts. US is envying China because China is doing things to world economy that US cannot do. The western culture never wanted to help third world countries. Western world had colonies Africa and Americas for several hundred years. Yet their economy are still lagging because westerners never wanted to save them from poverty.
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.
Yes, that is so true. And ironic since it has been touted for most of my life as one of the inherent strengths of our country. But, today we have a president lacking in morals who lies more than he tells the truth and is backed by a powerful right wing propaganda machine deicated to spreading his propaganda -- and now has the world's most powerful military, intelligence and justice systems at his beck and call to lend credence and legitimacy to his false claims.
Yes, our free press has been weaponized as a political tool of a would be despot.
Western civilization is based on two cultures, classical Greece and Christianity. Christianity displaced Greek culture after it became the Roman national religion. Christianity thinks human beings are born with sin or evil. Believing God is the only way for redemption. Chinese culture is based on Confucianism for over two thousand year. Confucianism thinks human being are born good. You became evil because of environment. Education is the way to learn to be good instead of becoming bad. And the government should be actively getting rid of bad people. For one thousand years Europeans daily live is for redemption just like Muslims today. Then modern science is born. Some intellectuals have doubts on the truthfulness of the Bible. But less educated people cannot understand science. They still believe in God wholeheartedly.When USA is founded the founding fathers realized this conflict. They passed amendment to protect freedom of speech so government cannot control religion. Government has to tolerate lies as long as people pretend the lies are for goodness. So what Chinese government did it in Xinjiang is based on the old Chinese culture not communism. The government tried to re-educate people because it thinks the terrorism activities there is people being led by bad environment. From my personal view point, I think humans beings are born with some evil. Christianity is more right than Confucianism. Freedom of speech forbids government to teach people and control people. For the ultra right ring white supremacists that think Chinese culture is bad and western culture is nice, please explain to me why western civilization created two world wars? I have not read any western scholar dare to explain thin in terms of culture. But they are very eager to blame any bad thing in China on Chinese culture. Freedom of speech is only good intellectuals. For low iq people, their speech is most likely flawed, illogical, and against facts. They use imagination to make up speeches.
I think people are born with the capacity for both good and evil. And, it is a decision that each must make on a daily basis.
As for freedom of the press: right now China's is the stronger system. We just got done having Russia and the Far Right exploit our free press to overturn a national election through a disinformation campaign that continues to this day. And, while that is going on, the far right continues to use it in order to grow home grown terrorists.
Our free press is being weaponized and used against us by those who choose evil to attack the foundations of U.S. society. China simply wouldn't tolerate that.
Certainly they wouldn't tolerate that, but they and their pals Russia, are more than happy to provide those attacks, especially to glean whatever dual use technology they can from the West, and rely on useful idiots as yourself to do the rest;
"In political jargon, a useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause without fully comprehending the cause's goals, and who is cynically used by the cause's leaders.[1][2] The term was originally used during the Cold War to describe non-communists regarded as susceptible to communist propaganda and manipulation.[1] The term has often been attributed to Vladimir Lenin,[3] but this attribution is unsubstantiated.[4][5]"
"China uses “United Front” work to co-opt and neutralize sources of potential opposition to the policies and authority of its ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The CCP’s United Front Work Department (UFWD)—the agency responsible for coordinating these kinds of influence operations—mostly focuses on the management of potential opposition groups inside China, but it also has an important foreign influence mission. To carry out its influence activities abroad, the UFWD directs “overseas Chinese work,” which seeks to co-opt ethnic Chinese individuals and communities living outside China, while a number of other key affiliated organizations guided by China’s broader United Front strategy conduct influence operations targeting foreign actors and states. Some of these entities have clear connections to the CCP’s United Front strategy, while others’ linkage is less explicit. Today, United Front-related organizations are playing an increasingly important role in China’s broader foreign policy under Chinese President and General Secretary of the CCP Xi Jinping. It is precisely the nature of United Front work to seek influence through connections that are difficult to publically prove and to gain influence that is interwoven with sensitive issues such as ethnic, political, and national identity, making those who seek to identify the negative effects of such influence vulnerable to accusations of prejudice. Because of the complexities of this issue, it is crucial for the U.S. government to better understand Beijing’s United Front strategy, its goals, and the actors responsible for achieving them if it is to formulate an effective and comprehensive response."
Tzeshan is almost certainly a participant in the United Front, which has been much less effective in the U.S. than it has in smaller democracies.
"Russia’s efforts to influence elections in the United States and Europe were a wake-up call about the threat of foreign influence in domestic public opinion and politics, blatantly violating norms of non-interference.
China is not guilty of Russia’s excesses, but Beijing’s information and influence campaign has affected countries from Singapore to Sweden, causing many to take countermeasures.
China’s campaigns range from overt diplomacy and public messaging disseminated through propaganda organs, to covert cyber exercises by specialised hackers and the “
Its capabilities are built into the government’s vast propaganda apparatus, including the People’s Liberation Army, intelligence departments, and the foreign education and culture ministries.
"“How are you?” John asked one woman in Mandarin. She said nothing and abruptly left. But, oddly, she returned 10 minutes later wearing a different-coloured shirt. The group persisted even after John and Tara got up to leave, until Tara started to film them with her phone camera. One man was walking directly towards her until she produced the phone, at which point he immediately started walking sideways, crab-style, to avoid having his face recorded.
It wasn’t the only act of harassment against Garnaut and his family, but it was a notably overt one. The message was plain: you have displeased the Chinese government and we are going to punish you. We can always find you, we know where you live, we can act with impunity in the middle of Australia’s biggest cities. We don’t care that you worked for a prime minister. We are not afraid of Australia’s authorities."
That's kind of silly. Not only has Trump already surrendered in his unwinnable war but he'll be gone before any plants can be built.
Just stop. Your TDS has made you myopic to the hundred other reasons to dislike doing business in China, a single-party, authoritarian, murderous regime state and grinds up human rights. I don’t know what your deal is, but I guarantee you would not wish to live in China by choice.
America is more murderous than China. The homicide rate in US is seven times higher than China.
It would be impossible given the U.S. homicide rate, which is falling, for the U.S. to ever catch up with the 30 million plus that died under CCP rule in the past, and those that are dying under CCP rule in the present. I'm guessing that harvesting body parts from unwilling donors like political prisoners, is something that exists almost exclusively in China, that absolutely won't be found in the U.S. I would certainly consider that "homicide".
Your whataboutism does't really mitigate the Authoritarian governance of Xi Jinping and the CCP, nor China's obvious influence campaigns in the West that are in fact generating a heck of a lot of backlash.
So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
So you have to pull rumors and ancient history to support your crazy claims. Got it. Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
LOL, I love how you are so adept at sticking your head in the sand.
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.
Yes, that is so true. And ironic since it has been touted for most of my life as one of the inherent strengths of our country. But, today we have a president lacking in morals who lies more than he tells the truth and is backed by a powerful right wing propaganda machine deicated to spreading his propaganda -- and now has the world's most powerful military, intelligence and justice systems at his beck and call to lend credence and legitimacy to his false claims.
Yes, our free press has been weaponized as a political tool of a would be despot.
Western civilization is based on two cultures, classical Greece and Christianity. Christianity displaced Greek culture after it became the Roman national religion. Christianity thinks human beings are born with sin or evil. Believing God is the only way for redemption. Chinese culture is based on Confucianism for over two thousand year. Confucianism thinks human being are born good. You became evil because of environment. Education is the way to learn to be good instead of becoming bad. And the government should be actively getting rid of bad people. For one thousand years Europeans daily live is for redemption just like Muslims today. Then modern science is born. Some intellectuals have doubts on the truthfulness of the Bible. But less educated people cannot understand science. They still believe in God wholeheartedly.When USA is founded the founding fathers realized this conflict. They passed amendment to protect freedom of speech so government cannot control religion. Government has to tolerate lies as long as people pretend the lies are for goodness. So what Chinese government did it in Xinjiang is based on the old Chinese culture not communism. The government tried to re-educate people because it thinks the terrorism activities there is people being led by bad environment. From my personal view point, I think humans beings are born with some evil. Christianity is more right than Confucianism. Freedom of speech forbids government to teach people and control people. For the ultra right ring white supremacists that think Chinese culture is bad and western culture is nice, please explain to me why western civilization created two world wars? I have not read any western scholar dare to explain thin in terms of culture. But they are very eager to blame any bad thing in China on Chinese culture. Freedom of speech is only good intellectuals. For low iq people, their speech is most likely flawed, illogical, and against facts. They use imagination to make up speeches.
I think people are born with the capacity for both good and evil. And, it is a decision that each must make on a daily basis.
As for freedom of the press: right now China's is the stronger system. We just got done having Russia and the Far Right exploit our free press to overturn a national election through a disinformation campaign that continues to this day. And, while that is going on, the far right continues to use it in order to grow home grown terrorists.
Our free press is being weaponized and used against us by those who choose evil to attack the foundations of U.S. society. China simply wouldn't tolerate that.
Certainly they wouldn't tolerate that, but they and their pals Russia, are more than happy to provide those attacks, especially to glean whatever dual use technology they can from the West, and rely on useful idiots as yourself to do the rest;
"In political jargon, a useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause without fully comprehending the cause's goals, and who is cynically used by the cause's leaders.[1][2] The term was originally used during the Cold War to describe non-communists regarded as susceptible to communist propaganda and manipulation.[1] The term has often been attributed to Vladimir Lenin,[3] but this attribution is unsubstantiated.[4][5]"
"China uses “United Front” work to co-opt and neutralize sources of potential opposition to the policies and authority of its ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The CCP’s United Front Work Department (UFWD)—the agency responsible for coordinating these kinds of influence operations—mostly focuses on the management of potential opposition groups inside China, but it also has an important foreign influence mission. To carry out its influence activities abroad, the UFWD directs “overseas Chinese work,” which seeks to co-opt ethnic Chinese individuals and communities living outside China, while a number of other key affiliated organizations guided by China’s broader United Front strategy conduct influence operations targeting foreign actors and states. Some of these entities have clear connections to the CCP’s United Front strategy, while others’ linkage is less explicit. Today, United Front-related organizations are playing an increasingly important role in China’s broader foreign policy under Chinese President and General Secretary of the CCP Xi Jinping. It is precisely the nature of United Front work to seek influence through connections that are difficult to publically prove and to gain influence that is interwoven with sensitive issues such as ethnic, political, and national identity, making those who seek to identify the negative effects of such influence vulnerable to accusations of prejudice. Because of the complexities of this issue, it is crucial for the U.S. government to better understand Beijing’s United Front strategy, its goals, and the actors responsible for achieving them if it is to formulate an effective and comprehensive response."
Tzeshan is almost certainly a participant in the United Front, which has been much less effective in the U.S. than it has in smaller democracies.
"Russia’s efforts to influence elections in the United States and Europe were a wake-up call about the threat of foreign influence in domestic public opinion and politics, blatantly violating norms of non-interference.
China is not guilty of Russia’s excesses, but Beijing’s information and influence campaign has affected countries from Singapore to Sweden, causing many to take countermeasures.
China’s campaigns range from overt diplomacy and public messaging disseminated through propaganda organs, to covert cyber exercises by specialised hackers and the “
Its capabilities are built into the government’s vast propaganda apparatus, including the People’s Liberation Army, intelligence departments, and the foreign education and culture ministries.
"“How are you?” John asked one woman in Mandarin. She said nothing and abruptly left. But, oddly, she returned 10 minutes later wearing a different-coloured shirt. The group persisted even after John and Tara got up to leave, until Tara started to film them with her phone camera. One man was walking directly towards her until she produced the phone, at which point he immediately started walking sideways, crab-style, to avoid having his face recorded.
It wasn’t the only act of harassment against Garnaut and his family, but it was a notably overt one. The message was plain: you have displeased the Chinese government and we are going to punish you. We can always find you, we know where you live, we can act with impunity in the middle of Australia’s biggest cities. We don’t care that you worked for a prime minister. We are not afraid of Australia’s authorities."
Yeah, China's fucking wonderful...
Your guess on me is wrong. I am just like a Harvard professor who knows the world more than you. USCC is a government funded organization. Its mission is to protect US interests. So obviously you can fully trust its words just like one cannot trust a web site that is funded by ads. What is world USCC? Because it does not really understand why China is doing things. China was very poor in the last two hundred years. China was a laughing stock for a long time even ten years ago. Why China was so poor? As I explained in the previous post, the westerners never intended to help foreign countries to become prosperous. US intimate standard is American interest. This is higher than human rights, freedom, and democracy . This is why Trump and the Republicans want to abolish Obama care and build a wall along the Mexican border. When Shah of Iran took power from a democratic government, US Congress said nothing because he follows US order. Your story about John and Tara is a distortion. You try to link that woman to Chinese government to make you to stand a higher ground. But this woman could also be patriotic to China which can equal explain her behavior. Remember free will which makes Adam and Eve disobeying God? Chinese has free will. They don't have to act for the government all the time.
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So which fake news site did you get that nonsense from?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-organ-harvesting/un-urged-to-investigate-organ-harvesting-in-china-idUSKBN1W92FL ;
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/16/china-covers-up-killing-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs-for-transplant-new-report/#1a49ac5c2ec7
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/
"Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."
Perhaps we should discuss the genocide of the Native Americans here 200 years ago or the enslavement of Africans 150 years ago -- or rumors that we kidnap kids from their parents and put them in cages without basic sanitation. Why should we not be judged by that if you are using the same criteria to judge the Chinese for far lesser crimes?
I'm quite aware of the history of the U.S., as well as human rights violations against immigrants and others in the U.S.
Still, China's human rights violations are broad and blatant, to the point that backlash against China is building in the West:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/06/china-un-criticism-human-rights-record
"Tuesday’s half-day UN panel, which included brief comments from more than 100 UN member states and responses from China, highlighted the range of human rights issues raised by advocates. While some states praised Beijing’s progress on human rights, others issued harsher statements.
“Overall, we are concerned about the broader deterioration of human rights in China since the last universal periodic review,” said Tamara Mawhinney, Canada’s deputy permanent representative at the UN.
Germany called on China to “end all unlawful detentions in Xinjiang,” while Iceland and Japan expressed concern about the rights of minorities in Xinjiang. Several states urged China allow UN observers into Xinjiang. The US called on China to abolish all internment camps in the far western territory and release the “possibly millions” detained there.
Chinese delegates said internment centres were not re-education camps but vocational centres that offered free training in the law, language, and workplace skills.
"“We will not accept the politically driven accusations from a few countries that are fraught with biases, with total disregard for facts,” said vice foreign minister Le Yucheng. “No country shall dictate the definition of democracy and human rights,” he said."
Uhm, actually defining human rights is part of the U.N. Charter.
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Gutmann
I think Freedom of Speech will be the downfall of western civilization. Because it is implemented without any check and balance in US. As a result, exaggeration, distortion, and lies like Trump like to call, have flooded the Americans society. America is losing competitive power because of Freedom of Speech. Freedom fo Speech is the source of culture collision between US and China. US Congress hates China because China does not allow Freedom of Speech like in US. US Congress passed laws accusing China of human rights violations. India just passed laws banning Muslims of getting citizenship. US Congress is mum on India. Why? So US Congress stance on China is contradictory. And this will backfire on US.
Your statement "India just passed laws banning Muslims from getting citizenship", is a good example of your whataboutism. China has been involved with East Turkestan (Xinjiang Region) for a long time, and there is plenty of evidence of human rights violations by China, so after years of inaction, our Congress and Senate have now reacted to that, as they have as well to what is happening in Hong Kong. Given time, we may see some action by Congress on India as well.
In the U.S., there are a plethora of excellent journalistic sources that provide checks and balances to Politicians and the Government, and even to other media sources. Obviously, you have no interest in those sources, as your government makes all of those decisions for you.
Sorry, but rumors, ancient history and vindictive propaganda don't count -- no matter how often or vehemently you proclaim them -- particularly if you refuse to apply the same criteria to yourself.
Yes, that is so true. And ironic since it has been touted for most of my life as one of the inherent strengths of our country. But, today we have a president lacking in morals who lies more than he tells the truth and is backed by a powerful right wing propaganda machine deicated to spreading his propaganda -- and now has the world's most powerful military, intelligence and justice systems at his beck and call to lend credence and legitimacy to his false claims.
Yes, our free press has been weaponized as a political tool of a would be despot.
The measure should not be that the press is "free" but if it is true and accurate. Much of our press has been weaponized to spread right wing propaganda and support the wanna be despot occupying the White House. And it is apparent that you took their bait: "Look over there! Don't look at our own crimes and misdemeanors!".
For one thousand years Europeans daily live is for redemption just like Muslims today. Then modern science is born. Some intellectuals have doubts on the truthfulness of the Bible. But less educated people cannot understand science. They still believe in God wholeheartedly.When USA is founded the founding fathers realized this conflict. They passed amendment to protect freedom of speech so government cannot control religion. Government has to tolerate lies as long as people pretend the lies are for goodness.
So what Chinese government did it in Xinjiang is based on the old Chinese culture not communism. The government tried to re-educate people because it thinks the terrorism activities there is people being led by bad environment.
From my personal view point, I think humans beings are born with some evil. Christianity is more right than Confucianism. Freedom of speech forbids government to teach people and control people. For the ultra right ring white supremacists that think Chinese culture is bad and western culture is nice, please explain to me why western civilization created two world wars? I have not read any western scholar dare to explain thin in terms of culture. But they are very eager to blame any bad thing in China on Chinese culture.
Freedom of speech is only good intellectuals. For low iq people, their speech is most likely flawed, illogical, and against facts. They use imagination to make up speeches.
"Please explain to me why Western Civilization created Two World ll Wars"
Please explain to me why China has been at war with itself or outsiders continually for over two thousand years, and more.
The Two World Wars were fought primarily over resources, and if my recollection is correct, it was the Japanese that brought the U.S. into World War II, not Germany or Italy, although our sympathies lay with our English speaking brethren.
https://welcometochina.com.au/china-at-war-from-ancient-times-to-the-modern-day-6180.html
For the record, China couldn't have started a World War prior to current days because they weren't technically advanced enough to do so. Now, the expectation is that China is going to launch military ventures throughout the South China Seas and the South Pacific in the near and medium term, because they have the technical means to do so, have a Blue Water Navy to prosecute such a war, and have the missile and rocket forces to prosecute a war on North America. You must be so proud.
Hence, why China is a threat to the West.
Still, China's economy is stalled, and its population growth has just about peaked, leading to a rapidly aging population that China will either have to support, or mitigate. Wars are great as distractions for internal problems. China's current policies have quite a bit of concurrency with Germany's during WWII; to eliminate minorities, minority religions, and minority cultures, and in China's case, drive towards a pure Han culture, which is at 92% today.
Gee, no wonder Westerners are rethinking our relationship with China.
Our free press is being weaponized and used against us by those who choose evil to attack the foundations of U.S. society. China simply wouldn't tolerate that.
You do not understand Chinese history. But I can tell you Confucianism is a peace-loving culture. That is why China built the Great Wall. Chinese farmers don't like war. Western merchants like war just as you admitted the two world wars are fighting for resources. Merchants like resources not farmers. China had internal wars because of imperialism. Some people fight for the supreme power of the emperor. China had external wars not because of the Han people. The Yuan dynasty is ruled by the Mongols what are not Hans. The Qing dynasty is ruled by the Manchurians whose original language is not Chinese. Both dynasties engaged in external wars. So basically you were fooled by the western propaganda against China.
And the excursion of South China Seas is to protect the One Band One Route economic plan. China is surrounded by many nations. Each one is like a mouse trying to nick at the big elephant of China. Vietnam and Philipines are trying to claim the South China sea island as theirs. What is the consequences if they succeed? They can claim one hundred miles territory. This will block the trade rout of China. US will stand by them as one US representative has done so since twenty years ago. If you think this is untrue, I can tell you a story about Japan. Japan has claimed territory right of a coral land which is submerged under sea a lot of time. Japan put concert on it to make it higher. Taiwan fisherman trying to fish there was expelled. Yet US made zero statement condemning Japan. Is this according to the US principle? From what I see US is applying much higher human rings principle only to China. Iraqi government killed hundred of demonstrating people recently. You made no mention of it. And the US government still claim Iraqi government is our ally. Where is the high moral principle?
You use imagination to say China is going to launch military ventures throughout the South China Seas. It is not based on facts and I have disproved it through facts.
US is envying China because China is doing things to world economy that US cannot do. The western culture never wanted to help third world countries. Western world had colonies Africa and Americas for several hundred years. Yet their economy are still lagging because westerners never wanted to save them from poverty.
"In political jargon, a useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause without fully comprehending the cause's goals, and who is cynically used by the cause's leaders.[1][2] The term was originally used during the Cold War to describe non-communists regarded as susceptible to communist propaganda and manipulation.[1] The term has often been attributed to Vladimir Lenin,[3] but this attribution is unsubstantiated.[4][5]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
and;
https://www.uscc.gov/research/chinas-overseas-united-front-work-background-and-implications-united-states
"China uses “United Front” work to co-opt and neutralize sources of potential opposition to the policies and authority of its ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The CCP’s United Front Work Department (UFWD)—the agency responsible for coordinating these kinds of influence operations—mostly focuses on the management of potential opposition groups inside China, but it also has an important foreign influence mission. To carry out its influence activities abroad, the UFWD directs “overseas Chinese work,” which seeks to co-opt ethnic Chinese individuals and communities living outside China, while a number of other key affiliated organizations guided by China’s broader United Front strategy conduct influence operations targeting foreign actors and states. Some of these entities have clear connections to the CCP’s United Front strategy, while others’ linkage is less explicit. Today, United Front-related organizations are playing an increasingly important role in China’s broader foreign policy under Chinese President and General Secretary of the CCP Xi Jinping. It is precisely the nature of United Front work to seek influence through connections that are difficult to publically prove and to gain influence that is interwoven with sensitive issues such as ethnic, political, and national identity, making those who seek to identify the negative effects of such influence vulnerable to accusations of prejudice. Because of the complexities of this issue, it is crucial for the U.S. government to better understand Beijing’s United Front strategy, its goals, and the actors responsible for achieving them if it is to formulate an effective and comprehensive response."
Tzeshan is almost certainly a participant in the United Front, which has been much less effective in the U.S. than it has in smaller democracies.
Still, nations are waking up;
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3036441/singapore-sweden-chinas-overbearing-campaign-influence-forcing
"Russia’s efforts to influence elections in the United States and Europe were a wake-up call about the threat of foreign influence in domestic public opinion and politics, blatantly violating norms of non-interference.
China is not guilty of Russia’s excesses, but Beijing’s information and influence campaign has affected countries from Singapore to Sweden, causing many to take countermeasures.
Its capabilities are built into the government’s vast propaganda apparatus, including the People’s Liberation Army, intelligence departments, and the foreign education and culture ministries.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/peter-hartcher-on-china-s-infiltration-of-australia-20191118-p53bly.html
"“How are you?” John asked one woman in Mandarin. She said nothing and abruptly left. But, oddly, she returned 10 minutes later wearing a different-coloured shirt. The group persisted even after John and Tara got up to leave, until Tara started to film them with her phone camera. One man was walking directly towards her until she produced the phone, at which point he immediately started walking sideways, crab-style, to avoid having his face recorded.
It wasn’t the only act of harassment against Garnaut and his family, but it was a notably overt one. The message was plain: you have displeased the Chinese government and we are going to punish you. We can always find you, we know where you live, we can act with impunity in the middle of Australia’s biggest cities. We don’t care that you worked for a prime minister. We are not afraid of Australia’s authorities."
Your story about John and Tara is a distortion. You try to link that woman to Chinese government to make you to stand a higher ground. But this woman could also be patriotic to China which can equal explain her behavior. Remember free will which makes Adam and Eve disobeying God? Chinese has free will. They don't have to act for the government all the time.