Truth to power. Apple has in the past built its products in sweatshops in China and only stopped when the word got out about it. They have also used student labor and forced labor. Periodically another sweat shop is discovered somewhere in the production chain and is corrected. Gervais is correct even if you don't want to believe it.
Currently right here in California, Apple is treating its contracted labor horribly compared to its employees.
Misleading. Apple has a zero tolerance policy for things like forced or debt-bonded labor. Right here:
"We have zero tolerance for debt-bonded labor.
We prohibit forced labor of any kind, and suppliers must take immediate action or risk removal from our supply chain."
...with details following. So if their contract suppliers try to do it, it simply isn't accurate to suggest that's a corporate value or policy of Apple to do it. Their suppliers aren't trustworthy and require constant monitoring and auditing. Which Apple does, of course.
But please, continue your steady drumming of anti-Apple narrative.
Man!!! Apple just does no wrong ever to you. You’ll defend them to your last dying breath. It’s a corporation, they do a ton of great things but are no where close to perfect and do bad things as well.
Does anyone watch these award shows anyway? It’s usually a bunch of fake & shallow hypocritical actors kissing each other’s behinds. To have the host insult them is ironic. And to have him make comments about Apple that aren’t accurate is harmful and slanderous. Hey, you could argue EVERY product made in China is made in a sweatshop - none of those workers are paid fair wages, in which case all companies that manufacture in China are guilty. At least Apple attempts to bring better working conditions and more environmentally friendly processes - I would say they are way ahead of Microsoft, Dell, and all the other tech/consumer products companies in their efforts.
I guess you know all actors so its easy to describe them in one sentence. I know some famous ones and they people like you and me or maybe more successful versions of you and me.
We are all doing are best to not think about where all the cheap junk we constantly are buying comes from and at what cost to other people's lives, the environments they live in and what form of government they are subject too. Gervais jokes come from a tradition of playing the court jester, the only one who can poke fun of the king and court while keeping his head, literally,
Talking about sweatshops, how much do all those Hollywood, etc., production houses actually pay all those people who actually make the movies and TV shows? The "stars" make a lot but what about that long list of people who show up in the credits? I'm sure most are lucky to be paid even minimum wage, probably don't get medical benefits, and won't get paid overtime.
I am a member of IATSE, the theatrical and stage union. We make union rates on productions. Riggers, for example, in our arena contract make at least $35.00 an hour. Six hour minimum, double time on Sunday, etc. Depends on the contract and position of course, but It's a pretty good rate most of the time. No one makes minimum wage, that's for sure. There is a lot of money to be made in entertainment.
"So you [the celebrities] say you're woke, but the companies you work for, unbelievable," he continued. "Apple, Amazon, Disney, if ISIS started a streaming service, you'd call your agent, right?"
That did sound as if he meant Apple and the other firms would call their agents, but Gervais's final points on the issue were unambiguously focused on Hollywood stars.
What? No, it sounds like he meant if ISIS started a service, a Hollywood star would call their agent to try to get on board with that service, as they ostensibly had with Apple, Amazon, Disney, because they’re opportunists despite saying they’re “woke”.
Not sure how you got something different out of this joke.
It's odd—but not unexpected—for people on this forum to get upset at a comment that only mentions Apple is passing and isn't even the punchline. He made so many jokes that were more "offensive."
Sure, but my comment was about how William completely misunderstood the joke on a basic level.
Most of what he said was spot on. However Apple is probably the best player in the business for investigating abuses in its supply chain. Its not like the cheap Chinese android manufacturers care.
Ever hear of ‘Public Relations’? Or understand what it is they do and how they do it?
Yo do know there is a room full of incredibly intelligent psychologists, lawyers, media spinners and behaviouralists who get paid a lot of money to sit there and devise strategies to make you believe whatever it is they want... like Apple actually cares or does anything of merit to curtail sweatshops and child labor.
Your assertions show they have done an effective job - if you honestly believe Apple is probably ‘the best player’.
No I believe they are the best player because they release reports on how they investigate their supply chain, which is not an easy task as the cobalt mines are not supplying to Apple directly but to an intermediate supplier, or suppliers.
Could be all spin? I doubt it. It would be easier to investigate supply chains rather than hire a room full of shrinks, lawyers, marketing people and behaviouralists to tell a lie, and most importantly it’s less likely to bite you on the ass.
In fact apple needs more marketing people to sell that Apple is not just the best product, but the most moral.
Cobalt of course is in all batteries and yet it’s apple that tends to be singled out; a company that investigates abuses, rather than cheap Chinese and other manufacturers who don’t have the spotlight on them, or the margins, or the inclination to investigate abuses.
Talking about sweatshops, how much do all those Hollywood, etc., production houses actually pay all those people who actually make the movies and TV shows? The "stars" make a lot but what about that long list of people who show up in the credits? I'm sure most are lucky to be paid even minimum wage, probably don't get medical benefits, and won't get paid overtime.
Actually it’s pretty unionised so most people do ok.
Truth to power. Apple has in the past built its products in sweatshops in China and only stopped when the word got out about it. They have also used student labor and forced labor. Periodically another sweat shop is discovered somewhere in the production chain and is corrected. Gervais is correct even if you don't want to believe it.
Currently right here in California, Apple is treating its contracted labor horribly compared to its employees.
Misleading. Apple has a zero tolerance policy for things like forced or debt-bonded labor. Right here:
"We have zero tolerance for debt-bonded labor.
We prohibit forced labor of any kind, and suppliers must take immediate action or risk removal from our supply chain."
...with details following. So if their contract suppliers try to do it, it simply isn't accurate to suggest that's a corporate value or policy of Apple to do it. Their suppliers aren't trustworthy and require constant monitoring and auditing. Which Apple does, of course.
But please, continue your steady drumming of anti-Apple narrative.
Man!!! Apple just does no wrong ever to you. You’ll defend them to your last dying breath. It’s a corporation, they do a ton of great things but are no where close to perfect and do bad things as well.
The thing is, Apple doesn't own or run these factories – they are operated by other companies. Apple does what they can to hold those partner companies accountable for their practices through monitoring and audits and forcing those partners to improve standards, as well as provide education and so forth to workers. To say Apple did those "bad things" is disingenuous if you're talking about a partner company in their supply chain. The fact that Apple seeks to improve these situations to the extent that they do is a positive thing. I don't hear peep about any of this stuff from the other companies that manufacture their goods using the exact same partners.
Inferring Foxconn factories as belonging to Apple, for example, is flat out wrong. Here's a list of their major customers: Acer Inc., Amazon.com, Apple Inc., BlackBerry Ltd., Cisco, Dell, Google, Hewlett-Packard, HMD Global, Huawei, InFocus, Intel, Microsoft Corp., Motorola Mobility, Nintendo, Sony, Toshiba, Vizio, Xiaomi. How many of those companies have forced Foxconn to improve working conditions, workers' rights & education, and produce supply chain responsibility reports?
Truth to power. Apple has in the past built its products in sweatshops in China and only stopped when the word got out about it. They have also used student labor and forced labor. Periodically another sweat shop is discovered somewhere in the production chain and is corrected. Gervais is correct even if you don't want to believe it.
Currently right here in California, Apple is treating its contracted labor horribly compared to its employees.
Misleading. Apple has a zero tolerance policy for things like forced or debt-bonded labor. Right here:
"We have zero tolerance for debt-bonded labor.
We prohibit forced labor of any kind, and suppliers must take immediate action or risk removal from our supply chain."
...with details following. So if their contract suppliers try to do it, it simply isn't accurate to suggest that's a corporate value or policy of Apple to do it. Their suppliers aren't trustworthy and require constant monitoring and auditing. Which Apple does, of course.
But please, continue your steady drumming of anti-Apple narrative.
Man!!! Apple just does no wrong ever to you. You’ll defend them to your last dying breath. It’s a corporation, they do a ton of great things but are no where close to perfect and do bad things as well.
The thing is, Apple doesn't own or run these factories – they are operated by other companies. Apple does what they can to hold those partner companies accountable for their practices through monitoring and audits and forcing those partners to improve standards, as well as provide education and so forth to workers. To say Apple did those "bad things" is disingenuous if you're talking about a partner company in their supply chain. The fact that Apple seeks to improve these situations to the extent that they do is a positive thing. I don't hear peep about any of this stuff from the other companies that manufacture their goods using the exact same partners.
Inferring Foxconn factories as belonging to Apple, for example, is flat out wrong. Here's a list of their major customers: Acer Inc., Amazon.com, Apple Inc., BlackBerry Ltd., Cisco, Dell, Google, Hewlett-Packard, HMD Global, Huawei, InFocus, Intel, Microsoft Corp., Motorola Mobility, Nintendo, Sony, Toshiba, Vizio, Xiaomi. How many of those companies have forced Foxconn to improve working conditions, workers' rights & education, and produce supply chain responsibility reports?
Indeed, but at the same time, Apple does better when it faces criticism. Faced with the incredibly knowledgeable Gervais, who is obviously not wearing and has never worn an item of clothing produced in a sweatshop, what happens next?
Acer Inc., Amazon.com, Apple Inc., BlackBerry Ltd., Cisco, Dell, Google, Hewlett-Packard, HMD Global, Huawei, InFocus, Intel, Microsoft Corp., Motorola Mobility, Nintendo, Sony, Toshiba, Vizio, Xiaomi will think "Whew! Dodged a PR bullet there!"
Apple will think, "What are we missing? What else should we be doing?"
Are they perfect? Hell, no. Are they trying, hell yes.
The problem is that the same people who complain about Apple running sweatshops, will be the same people who will complain when Apple stops their association with Foxconn and hundreds of thousands of people are left out of work.
Gervais is a hypocrite, but at the same time, he's not wrong. Fortunately, Apple knows he's not wrong.
Truth to power. Apple has in the past built its products in sweatshops in China and only stopped when the word got out about it. They have also used student labor and forced labor. Periodically another sweat shop is discovered somewhere in the production chain and is corrected. Gervais is correct even if you don't want to believe it.
Currently right here in California, Apple is treating its contracted labor horribly compared to its employees.
Misleading. Apple has a zero tolerance policy for things like forced or debt-bonded labor. Right here:
"We have zero tolerance for debt-bonded labor.
We prohibit forced labor of any kind, and suppliers must take immediate action or risk removal from our supply chain."
...with details following. So if their contract suppliers try to do it, it simply isn't accurate to suggest that's a corporate value or policy of Apple to do it. Their suppliers aren't trustworthy and require constant monitoring and auditing. Which Apple does, of course.
But please, continue your steady drumming of anti-Apple narrative.
Man!!! Apple just does no wrong ever to you. You’ll defend them to your last dying breath. It’s a corporation, they do a ton of great things but are no where close to perfect and do bad things as well.
The thing is, Apple doesn't own or run these factories – they are operated by other companies. Apple does what they can to hold those partner companies accountable for their practices through monitoring and audits and forcing those partners to improve standards, as well as provide education and so forth to workers. To say Apple did those "bad things" is disingenuous if you're talking about a partner company in their supply chain. The fact that Apple seeks to improve these situations to the extent that they do is a positive thing. I don't hear peep about any of this stuff from the other companies that manufacture their goods using the exact same partners.
Inferring Foxconn factories as belonging to Apple, for example, is flat out wrong. Here's a list of their major customers: Acer Inc., Amazon.com, Apple Inc., BlackBerry Ltd., Cisco, Dell, Google, Hewlett-Packard, HMD Global, Huawei, InFocus, Intel, Microsoft Corp., Motorola Mobility, Nintendo, Sony, Toshiba, Vizio, Xiaomi. How many of those companies have forced Foxconn to improve working conditions, workers' rights & education, and produce supply chain responsibility reports?
Indeed, but at the same time, Apple does better when it faces criticism. Faced with the incredibly knowledgeable Gervais, who is obviously not wearing and has never worn an item of clothing produced in a sweatshop, what happens next?
Acer Inc., Amazon.com, Apple Inc., BlackBerry Ltd., Cisco, Dell, Google, Hewlett-Packard, HMD Global, Huawei, InFocus, Intel, Microsoft Corp., Motorola Mobility, Nintendo, Sony, Toshiba, Vizio, Xiaomi will think "Whew! Dodged a PR bullet there!"
Apple will think, "What are we missing? What else should we be doing?"
Are they perfect? Hell, no. Are they trying, hell yes.
The problem is that the same people who complain about Apple running sweatshops, will be the same people who will complain when Apple stops their association with Foxconn and hundreds of thousands of people are left out of work.
Gervais is a hypocrite, but at the same time, he's not wrong. Fortunately, Apple knows he's not wrong.
He did mention Amazon in the same breath as Apple. A couple others too.
Truth to power. Apple has in the past built its products in sweatshops in China and only stopped when the word got out about it. They have also used student labor and forced labor. Periodically another sweat shop is discovered somewhere in the production chain and is corrected. Gervais is correct even if you don't want to believe it.
Currently right here in California, Apple is treating its contracted labor horribly compared to its employees.
Misleading. Apple has a zero tolerance policy for things like forced or debt-bonded labor. Right here:
"We have zero tolerance for debt-bonded labor.
We prohibit forced labor of any kind, and suppliers must take immediate action or risk removal from our supply chain."
...with details following. So if their contract suppliers try to do it, it simply isn't accurate to suggest that's a corporate value or policy of Apple to do it. Their suppliers aren't trustworthy and require constant monitoring and auditing. Which Apple does, of course.
But please, continue your steady drumming of anti-Apple narrative.
Man!!! Apple just does no wrong ever to you. You’ll defend them to your last dying breath. It’s a corporation, they do a ton of great things but are no where close to perfect and do bad things as well.
The thing is, Apple doesn't own or run these factories – they are operated by other companies. Apple does what they can to hold those partner companies accountable for their practices through monitoring and audits and forcing those partners to improve standards, as well as provide education and so forth to workers. To say Apple did those "bad things" is disingenuous if you're talking about a partner company in their supply chain. The fact that Apple seeks to improve these situations to the extent that they do is a positive thing. I don't hear peep about any of this stuff from the other companies that manufacture their goods using the exact same partners.
Inferring Foxconn factories as belonging to Apple, for example, is flat out wrong. Here's a list of their major customers: Acer Inc., Amazon.com, Apple Inc., BlackBerry Ltd., Cisco, Dell, Google, Hewlett-Packard, HMD Global, Huawei, InFocus, Intel, Microsoft Corp., Motorola Mobility, Nintendo, Sony, Toshiba, Vizio, Xiaomi. How many of those companies have forced Foxconn to improve working conditions, workers' rights & education, and produce supply chain responsibility reports?
Sorry I can't buy that argument, in business you can not wash your hands of suppliers poor treatment of their employees by "trying" to convince the owners of those factories to do so. You either go along with it or you take a stance and move elsewhere. Unfortunately for my American companies that manufacture overseas the bottom line always prevails and factory workers pay the price. Not to defend Apple but the same happened in the USA in the early 20th century until unions were created and gave birth to the middle class.
Talking about sweatshops, how much do all those Hollywood, etc., production houses actually pay all those people who actually make the movies and TV shows? The "stars" make a lot but what about that long list of people who show up in the credits? I'm sure most are lucky to be paid even minimum wage, probably don't get medical benefits, and won't get paid overtime.
Exactly. Watch the end credits for a lot of these movies now. A lot of the rendering, special effects, etc. is happening offshore.
Football players weekly put their health and bodies on the line for our pleasure. They do so publicly and often endure criticism from nobodies who never worked that hard in their life.
LOL, there isn’t a football player out there that cares about your pleasure. At one time it was about winning a championship, then in the era of free agency it became about personal bank statements. In the era of social media it’s about their personal brand.
They get criticized. Boo boo, cry me a river. You play a sport you get criticized. That’s the way it works. I coach and play hockey and live that almost every day. Certainly after every game.
Truth to power. Apple has in the past built its products in sweatshops in China and only stopped when the word got out about it. They have also used student labor and forced labor. Periodically another sweat shop is discovered somewhere in the production chain and is corrected. Gervais is correct even if you don't want to believe it.
Currently right here in California, Apple is treating its contracted labor horribly compared to its employees.
Misleading. Apple has a zero tolerance policy for things like forced or debt-bonded labor. Right here:
"We have zero tolerance for debt-bonded labor.
We prohibit forced labor of any kind, and suppliers must take immediate action or risk removal from our supply chain."
...with details following. So if their contract suppliers try to do it, it simply isn't accurate to suggest that's a corporate value or policy of Apple to do it. Their suppliers aren't trustworthy and require constant monitoring and auditing. Which Apple does, of course.
But please, continue your steady drumming of anti-Apple narrative.
Man!!! Apple just does no wrong ever to you. You’ll defend them to your last dying breath. It’s a corporation, they do a ton of great things but are no where close to perfect and do bad things as well.
The thing is, Apple doesn't own or run these factories – they are operated by other companies. Apple does what they can to hold those partner companies accountable for their practices through monitoring and audits and forcing those partners to improve standards, as well as provide education and so forth to workers. To say Apple did those "bad things" is disingenuous if you're talking about a partner company in their supply chain. The fact that Apple seeks to improve these situations to the extent that they do is a positive thing. I don't hear peep about any of this stuff from the other companies that manufacture their goods using the exact same partners.
Inferring Foxconn factories as belonging to Apple, for example, is flat out wrong. Here's a list of their major customers: Acer Inc., Amazon.com, Apple Inc., BlackBerry Ltd., Cisco, Dell, Google, Hewlett-Packard, HMD Global, Huawei, InFocus, Intel, Microsoft Corp., Motorola Mobility, Nintendo, Sony, Toshiba, Vizio, Xiaomi. How many of those companies have forced Foxconn to improve working conditions, workers' rights & education, and produce supply chain responsibility reports?
Sorry I can't buy that argument, in business you can not wash your hands of suppliers poor treatment of their employees by "trying" to convince the owners of those factories to do so. You either go along with it or you take a stance and move elsewhere. Unfortunately for my American companies that manufacture overseas the bottom line always prevails and factory workers pay the price. Not to defend Apple but the same happened in the USA in the early 20th century until unions were created and gave birth to the middle class.
They hold their supply partners to certain standards, and they act when they find them violating those standards. You don’t pack up your transformers and go home when you’re angry, that’s not how business at this scale works. By all appearances, it seems to me that Apple is holding Foxconn (for example) to higher standards than their other customers, and by doing that they can actually affect positive change. Where exactly do you think they’d go to if they dropped Foxconn, and how would that be better? Have you read their supplier responsibility reports?
Except to those for whom his observations hit a little too close to home. The looks on the faces of the usual pretentious sad bastards was unsurprising.
They have no one to blame but themselves for so readily presenting such a huge and attractive target. And their “performance” for the remainder of the evening just served to prove how blisteringly accurate he was in his assessment of their scripted and insincere “beliefs”.
Talking about sweatshops, how much do all those Hollywood, etc., production houses actually pay all those people who actually make the movies and TV shows? The "stars" make a lot but what about that long list of people who show up in the credits? I'm sure most are lucky to be paid even minimum wage, probably don't get medical benefits, and won't get paid overtime.
I can't speak for the gophers and set crew, but the writers NOW are doing much better financially. the whole apple bashing was not the place or time for Gervais to spew anger, not jokes -at Tim Cook.
Tim is just a figure head who can be clueless at times, case in point: A NYC morning reporter sarcastically asked him if the reason Apple issues new iPhones every year was because the older ones don't work, he lust laughed that off and answered: hahha no thats not why-hahaha!. ANY manager or corporate figure head would have investigated or showed some concern over ANY negativity regarding their product.
Talking about sweatshops, how much do all those Hollywood, etc., production houses actually pay all those people who actually make the movies and TV shows? The "stars" make a lot but what about that long list of people who show up in the credits? I'm sure most are lucky to be paid even minimum wage, probably don't get medical benefits, and won't get paid overtime.
I can't speak for the gophers and set crew, but the writers NOW are doing much better financially. the whole apple bashing was not the place or time for Gervais to spew anger, not jokes -at Tim Cook.
Tim is just a figure head who can be clueless at times, case in point: A NYC morning reporter sarcastically asked him if the reason Apple issues new iPhones every year was because the older ones don't work, he lust laughed that off and answered: hahha no thats not why-hahaha!. ANY manager or corporate figure head would have investigated or showed some concern over ANY negativity regarding their product.
1) Gervais's comment wasn't about Cook.
2) Cook laughing at a sarcastic comment is exactly how he should react. Would you get upset and take a cynically ironic comment as serious?
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We are all doing are best to not think about where all the cheap junk we constantly are buying comes from and at what cost to other people's lives, the environments they live in and what form of government they are subject too. Gervais jokes come from a tradition of playing the court jester, the only one who can poke fun of the king and court while keeping his head, literally,
As opposed to sweatshop fulfillment centers in the USA?
Heres last years report.
https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple_SR_2019_Progress_Report.pdf
Do a search for cobalt.
Could be all spin? I doubt it. It would be easier to investigate supply chains rather than hire a room full
of shrinks, lawyers, marketing people and behaviouralists to tell a lie, and most importantly it’s less likely to bite you on the ass.
In fact apple needs more marketing people to sell that Apple is not just the best product, but the most moral.
Cobalt of course is in all batteries and yet it’s apple that tends to be singled out; a company that investigates abuses, rather than cheap Chinese and other manufacturers who don’t have the spotlight on them, or the margins, or the inclination to investigate abuses.
Inferring Foxconn factories as belonging to Apple, for example, is flat out wrong. Here's a list of their major customers: Acer Inc., Amazon.com, Apple Inc., BlackBerry Ltd., Cisco, Dell, Google, Hewlett-Packard, HMD Global, Huawei, InFocus, Intel, Microsoft Corp., Motorola Mobility, Nintendo, Sony, Toshiba, Vizio, Xiaomi. How many of those companies have forced Foxconn to improve working conditions, workers' rights & education, and produce supply chain responsibility reports?
Acer Inc., Amazon.com, Apple Inc., BlackBerry Ltd., Cisco, Dell, Google, Hewlett-Packard, HMD Global, Huawei, InFocus, Intel, Microsoft Corp., Motorola Mobility, Nintendo, Sony, Toshiba, Vizio, Xiaomi will think "Whew! Dodged a PR bullet there!"
Apple will think, "What are we missing? What else should we be doing?"
Are they perfect? Hell, no. Are they trying, hell yes.
The problem is that the same people who complain about Apple running sweatshops, will be the same people who will complain when Apple stops their association with Foxconn and hundreds of thousands of people are left out of work.
Gervais is a hypocrite, but at the same time, he's not wrong. Fortunately, Apple knows he's not wrong.
They get criticized. Boo boo, cry me a river. You play a sport you get criticized. That’s the way it works. I coach and play hockey and live that almost every day. Certainly after every game.
the whole apple bashing was not the place or time for Gervais to spew anger, not jokes -at Tim Cook.
Tim is just a figure head who can be clueless at times,
case in point: A NYC morning reporter sarcastically asked him if the reason Apple issues new iPhones every year was because the older ones don't work, he lust laughed that off and answered: hahha no thats not why-hahaha!.
ANY manager or corporate figure head would have investigated or showed some concern over ANY negativity regarding their product.
2) Cook laughing at a sarcastic comment is exactly how he should react. Would you get upset and take a cynically ironic comment as serious?