Coronavirus to hit Android's hopes for 5G, folding screens the hardest

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As Apple deals with interruption of the COVID-19 epidemic in China, its Android competitors face all the same issues; except that they make far less money and operate on much thinner margins across fragile shipment volumes.


Samsung and other Android makers are still dependent on trade shows to promote their new models


They were also hoping for a leg up on Apple provided by early support for 5G and new folding screen form factors, both of which are complicated by production interruptions related to factory closures and delayed promotion due to canceled industry events.

MWC, 5G and foldables

This year's Mobile World Congress in Barcelona was just canceled due to concerns related to the coronavirus. The event, which draws in 100,000 participants from around the world, is the mobile industry's largest and most important confab of companies ranging from handset makers to chip fabs and network equipment vendors. Apple has notably never relied on MWC to stoke interest in its products.

MWC has historically served as a way for Android makers to launch new models and for global representatives to meet to discuss the rollout of new technologies, this year dominated by talk surrounding 5G deployments. The cancelation of MWC won't stop work on 5G deployments. Still, it is unfortunate timing for an industry struggling to work out a consensus between players already on edge due to tensions between the US and China, specifically regarding the deployment of Huawei networking equipment.

Meanwhile, Samsung, Huawei, and Lenovo's Motorola brand have all been seeking to promote new Android phones with folding screens as well as 5G. Both technologies involve production hurdles that will only be higher with the interruptions in the supply chain posed by coronavirus containment and remediation.


Samsung failed to launch Galaxy Fold in ideal conditions. Now everything will be more difficult.


Canalys just predicted that coronavirus could halve China's first-quarter smartphone sales, in part because of production interruptions, but also due to canceled or delayed product launches.

"Vendors' planned product launches will be canceled or delayed, given that large public events are not allowed in China," Canalys stated earlier this week. "It will take time for vendors to change their product launch roadmaps in China, which is likely to dampen 5G shipments."

Apple already peaked

Unlike Samsung and other big Android makers who capitalize on MWC and other events held early in the year to introduce new phone models, Apple launches its new iPhones in September, right before the holiday season kicks off. Apple has already shipped its largest quarter of iPhones, and also just serviced the largest surge of smartphone sales to occur in China during January's Lunar New Year festivities.

The March quarter has historically been Apple's slowest; it's the quiet quarter when newspapers run their alarmist stories sensationalizing the idea that Apple is "cutting production" among its partners as peak demand abates. That's not the case with Android makers. They commonly launch their new flagship models in the first calendar quarter because they have the least direct competition for attention from Apple.


Apple's record iPhone 11 launch and peak sales occurred before COVID-19 could disrupt them


Additionally, Android producers have historically sold relatively consistent volumes of handsets in each quarter. Apple's peak seasonal sales dramatically focused on the holidays are an anomaly in the smartphone industry. Samsung, for example, didn't experience any bump during the holidays. It saw its 2019 December quarter Mobile revenues fall 15 percent from the September quarter. Other phone and PC makers similarly maintain far less cyclical sales cycles than Apple, with sales being driven all year long by a constant flurry price cuts and new model introductions.

Xiaomi's chief executive Lei Jun announced earlier today, as noted in a Reuters report, that the company's current quarter smartphone sales "will face an impact," and predicted they would only rebound over the next two quarters. The news service added, "Xiaomi and domestic rivals, which include Huawei Technologies Co, Oppo, and Vivo, had been hoping to boost sales in 2020 with the release of more 5G-enabled phones compatible with the country's newly upgraded telecommunications infrastructure."

Apple's low-cost replacement for iPhone SE appears likely to go on sale this quarter, but Apple isn't dependent upon trade shows or special events to announce its minor products. The budget model has historically been announced in a press release and sold in relatively minor volumes.

Apple's Android competitors are far less resilient to interruption

Coping with interruptions to component supplies and shuttered assembly plants certainly poses a challenge to Apple. But of all the handset makers in the world, Apple is by far the best positioned to ride through interruptions due to its clout as a premium vendor. Apple can afford to pay a premium to gain access to parts affected by shortages, and to arrange for priority handling of its assembly and shipping of finished goods.

Apple has a long history of buying up premium technologies and production priority. In 2012 Apple paid a small premium to own state of the art fingerprint scanning technologies when Android competitors viewed AuthenTec as an unaffordable component for their cheap, thin margin handsets. More recently, as Samsung and Chinese phone makers retreated to $300 middle-tier and lower price points to find volume sales, Apple spent a premium to develop its TrueDepth camera array to launch iPhone X's Face ID. This attracted hundreds of millions of sales to a new mass-market price point reaching above an astounding $1,000.

And despite being a competitor of Samsung in premium handsets, Apple was able to lock down the supply of Samsung's highest quality OLED displays for use in its own iPhones, simply by offering Samsung a price it couldn't refuse. Conversely, when Apple found a chip fab that could deliver superior results over Samsung's own System LSI, it had no problem paying a premium to buy up high volume production capacity at TSMC's state of the art chip facilities-- one of the most extremely rare and wildly expensive factories on earth--to build its A8 and subsequent custom silicon designs powering its iOS devices.


Samsung supplied the high-end, flexible OLED panels used by iPhone X because Apple could afford them


If Samsung could sell its premium Galaxy S phones in similar volumes as Apple, it would do so in a hot second. Yet neither Samsung nor any of the big handset makers of China, nor even Google itself has managed to create a viable business of selling hundreds of millions of high-end phones to highly satisfied audiences. They are instead forced to focus on lower-tier models sold to emerging markets, including India, where the limited demand for high-end phones is again being siphoned off by Apple, just as has been in China and across the rest of the world.

Coronavirus is striking Android's 5G, folding screen strategy to take on iPhone

Over the past two years, Android makers have focused on two strategies they hoped would give them an advantage in taking on Apple's premium iPhones: support for new 5G mobile networks and the adoption of flexible, bending display panels supporting a new variety of folding mobile devices.

Both promised to give Android makers an entry into premium markets in ways that Apple couldn't immediately address. That's because unlike its Android competitors, Apple's high volume, all-premium strategy revolves around creating just a few new models each year and selling each in high volumes. Initially, Apple introduced just one new iPhone each year, in stark contrast to the thousands of models and sub-models sold by each Android maker. Today, Apple still has only three new models of phones introduced in 2019, differentiated mostly by camera features and screen size.

This allows Apple to take advantage of massive economies of scale. All three models of iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro use many of the same components, including the same A13 Bionic processors. This is wildly effective for selling iPhones in high volumes to broad audiences. It's also the perfect model for rapidly rolling out new features such as Apple Pay, Face ID, and Portrait photography. However, it makes it more difficult for Apple to adopt emerging technologies at an incremental pace. It interrupts Apple's winning strategy to introduce a single new iPhone with 5G, or to introduce a new $2,600 folding flagship aimed at a premium niche.

Apple's adoption of 5G was only expected to arrive by the end of this year, while certain Android phones with 5G have been shipping for more than a year already. Similarly, Apple's focus on one basic form factor with iPhone makes it more difficult to experiment with folding designs. As reflected in all of the new products clamoring for attention from Samsung, Huawei, Lenovo and others over the last year, 5G and folding phones have been the top two strategies in providing some sort of defense against Apple's further expansion over the total domination of the premium cream of the market.

The luxury of limited runs

Apple's mass-market luxury production model has been very successful at generating massive profits while establishing a solid base of customers it can further service with apps, music and movie subscriptions, Apple Arcade, TV+ and accessory hardware ranging from Apple Watch to HomePod to AirPods. However, Apple's model only works when there's enough demand supporting a particular product to sell in quantities that can generate a profit.

Apple gave up on selling iPod HiFi, Xserve, and 17-inch notebooks because there wasn't enough volume to sustain their profitability. Other products and services Apple sells are strategic enough to sell without the company's typical margins and volumes. Apple TV was originally described as a "hobby" and has since become a minor business on its own, but it still isn't selling at Apple's typical margins and volumes. Apple still offers it though, because of its role in sustaining other efforts tied into the Apple ecosystem. Apple TV also benefits from its use of older versions of the processors used in high-end iPhones and iPads.

Apple can't, however, afford to build a vast number of such devices. The company has demonstrated no interest in creating a mini-tower or even a middle-priced Mac display. It doesn't sell printers or cameras or other products just to fill a category. That's because the efforts to develop and maintain such devices are high, and would sap the company's ability to focus on products that are likely to make a difference, profitably or at least strategically.

That's the very reason why companies that sell virtually everything don't make much money from it. Samsung, in particular, has a near-infinite range of tablets and netbooks and other PC offerings that have never make any significant contribution to its profitability while sucking up the company's resources. And Samsung is probably just copying Sony, which was previously famous for making one of each thing it possibly could, to the detriment of its future survival and relevance as a tech company.

In China, Huawei, Xiaomi, and others operate as if they have no intention of earning profits. It's therefore a natural fit for all of these companies to get behind being the first to deliver 5G and folding phones, if only to make a name for themselves in an arena where Apple has consistently stolen all the headlines for itself.

The high cost of interruptions

Any impact Apple feels from interruptions of its materials and component supply lines will be far more damaging to the companies that were already making next to nothing in ideal conditions. Even during the historical peak sales of smartphones, Samsung's mobile operations were only hobbling along, reliant on the company's other businesses, including its booming semiconductor and display operations. When Chinese makers began aggressively expanding their operations, it was Samsung, not Apple, that was the most harmed in the domestic Chinese market.

Last year, as the U.S. and China engaged in a tariff tit-for-tat, analysts and pundits predicted that China would retaliate for the Trump Administration's Entity List ban on Huawei by attacking Apple. And a media narrative emerged that a significant number of people in China were actively boycotting Apple out of patriotism. AppleInsider noted at the time why China was clearly not incentivized to attack Apple, and laid out how phony the claims of boycotts were. That has since proven to be correct, and reports of China attacking Apple-- one of its major employees and taxpayers-- were simply not true.


We correctly predicted China wouldn't sabotage its own industry to spite Apple over U.S. policy


Instead, we predicted that the turmoil in China would mostly affect Windows and Android. Since then, Chinese Android makers have signaled plans to reduce their dependence on Google Services globally in an alliance to build their own apps. It remains to be seen how well that will work, but it directly refutes the widely reported idea that the trade war would hurt Apple the most. Apple has since rebounded to growth in China.

Even in the winter of 2018 when Apple's iPhone sales were suffering the most from the economic uncertainty in China, Samsung was suffering far worse. Apple's iPhone revenues fell by an alarming 19% but the company's operating profits overall only fell by 11%, despite iPhone sales representing the majority of Apple's business. During the same period, Samsung's mobile revenues dropped in parallel by 11% but its operating profits from Internet and Mobile collapsed by 37%. That's particularly rough because while Apple's earnings remained over $23 billion in the quarter, Samsung IM's total profits bottomed out at just $1.2 billion over the same period, despite its vast size and unit shipments of phones, tablets and PCs.

That indicates fragility in contrast to Apple. Samsung's Android competitors in China are making even less money on their phones, tablets, and computers, making any unfortunate interruption to business a much more difficult situation to recover from. And it's happening just as the window of opportunity for launching early 5G or foldable phones is being shut down by quarantines.
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  • Reply 1 of 22
    I’m not sure Samsung should be listed with the other manufacturers.
    ”Samsung Mobile Phone Manufacturing Locations
    As of 2019, Samsung has its mobile phone manufacturing factories at 6 locations – Vietnam, China, India, Brazil, Indonesia, and South Korea. 50% of Samsung mobile phones are made in Vietnam and 8% in Korea. Rest is manufactured in India, Brazil, Indonesia and China.Nov 20, 2019”
    gatorguymuthuk_vanalingamviclauyycFileMakerFellerktappe
  • Reply 2 of 22
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,728member
    I f true then, oh, what a shame.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 22
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,931member
     Both [folding screens and 5G] promised to give Android makers an entry into premium markets in ways that Apple couldn't immediately address.”

    except neither of these is necessary for a premium phone. I would argue that neither is necessary for any phone. Certainly not 5G
    pscooter63watto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 22
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    I’m not sure Samsung should be listed with the other manufacturers.
    ”Samsung Mobile Phone Manufacturing Locations
    As of 2019, Samsung has its mobile phone manufacturing factories at 6 locations – Vietnam, China, India, Brazil, Indonesia, and South Korea. 50% of Samsung mobile phones are made in Vietnam and 8% in Korea. Rest is manufactured in India, Brazil, Indonesia and China.Nov 20, 2019”
    I think at least a few of the smaller OEM's had already either moved production out of China, or were well underway in doing so.  Pixel production for instance was being moved from China into former Nokia smartphone factories in Vietnam last year. The lesser the numbers the more flexible the 2nd and 3rd tier manufacturers can be in where they locate factories. Apple of course needs access to a massive labor pool and extensive Chinese-owned factories and logistical support so options are limited.

    That does not mean the smaller OEM's would not experience delays despite not relying on Chinese labor. A lot of components would still need to come from there. 
    edited February 2020 muthuk_vanalingamFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 5 of 22
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,693member
    Huawei launches four flagships per year (one per quarter). There is only one main MWC per year and Huawei doesn't rely on it for handsets, preferring its own events.

    Obviously one of those flagship launches will fall near MWC and it makes all the sense in the world to take advantage of the press and industry contacts there. The nuts and bolts of MWC is not handsets.

    Apple has never bothered with MWC because it has never had anything new to show. Having one release cycle per year limits your options but Apple chooses the Christmas rush which also makes sense.

    That brings its own problems (competitors storming ahead of you with every passing quarter) but that could change this year with the rumoured SE2 which is targeted at the low end of the Apple spectrum but at least could inject some life into the marketing department.
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 6 of 22
    I’m not sure Samsung should be listed with the other manufacturers.
    ”Samsung Mobile Phone Manufacturing Locations
    As of 2019, Samsung has its mobile phone manufacturing factories at 6 locations – Vietnam, China, India, Brazil, Indonesia, and South Korea. 50% of Samsung mobile phones are made in Vietnam and 8% in Korea. Rest is manufactured in India, Brazil, Indonesia and China.Nov 20, 2019”
    A variety of phones are built outside of China. However, Samsung is still affected both with relation to relying on components and materials from China, as well as the interruption of events and trade shows. As the article noted, Samsung’s recent performance in smartphones has been so bad even before the issue that it doesn’t need much impact from coronavirus to continue its failing streak. 
    lolliverwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 22
    I’m not sure Samsung should be listed with the other manufacturers.
    ”Samsung Mobile Phone Manufacturing Locations
    As of 2019, Samsung has its mobile phone manufacturing factories at 6 locations – Vietnam, China, India, Brazil, Indonesia, and South Korea. 50% of Samsung mobile phones are made in Vietnam and 8% in Korea. Rest is manufactured in India, Brazil, Indonesia and China.Nov 20, 2019”
    A variety of phones are built outside of China. However, Samsung is still affected both with relation to relying on components and materials from China, as well as the interruption of events and trade shows. As the article noted, Samsung’s recent performance in smartphones has been so bad even before the issue that it doesn’t need much impact from coronavirus to continue its failing streak. 
    True. 
    But #1 
    Folding phones will be made in limited quantities 
    #2
    I’d be making them in S.Korea to ensure QC
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 22
    hentaiboyhentaiboy Posts: 1,252member
    lkrupp said:
    Abalos65 said:
    I would prefer AppleInsider not posting DED editorials.
    Does the truth offend you?
    The relentless Android/Samsung schadenfreude is becoming rather tiresome.

    It would be like going to a Ferrari fan forum and reading constant Tesla put-down editorials.
    elijahgmuthuk_vanalingampscooter63
  • Reply 9 of 22
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    hentaiboy said:
    lkrupp said:
    Abalos65 said:
    I would prefer AppleInsider not posting DED editorials.
    Does the truth offend you?
    The relentless Android/Samsung schadenfreude is becoming rather tiresome.

    It would be like going to a Ferrari fan forum and reading constant Tesla put-down editorials.
    Nope, I dont mind at all. I passionately dislike Android and I dont mind reading about its failures from time to time. I dont visit any Android forums, so I have no other way to hear about the most recent Android fiascos, and there is no shortage of those.

    What is tiring is when Fandroids come to an Apple forum to bash Apple. You dont really see any Apple fans doing the opposite, because why would they ever want to visit an Android forum?

    We all know who the most hateful and delusional fans are, and its not Apple fans.
    edited February 2020 pscooter63lkrupplolliverwatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 22
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,340member
    I’m not sure Samsung should be listed with the other manufacturers.
    ”Samsung Mobile Phone Manufacturing Locations
    As of 2019, Samsung has its mobile phone manufacturing factories at 6 locations – Vietnam, China, India, Brazil, Indonesia, and South Korea. 50% of Samsung mobile phones are made in Vietnam and 8% in Korea. Rest is manufactured in India, Brazil, Indonesia and China.Nov 20, 2019”
    A variety of phones are built outside of China. However, Samsung is still affected both with relation to relying on components and materials from China, as well as the interruption of events and trade shows. As the article noted, Samsung’s recent performance in smartphones has been so bad even before the issue that it doesn’t need much impact from coronavirus to continue its failing streak. 
    It's fair to state that Samsung sales in China have been very much affected by politics:

    https://qz.com/1149663/china-south-korea-relations-in-2017-thaad-backlash-and-the-effect-on-tourism/

    http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=17444

    That backlash from China against THAAD deployment was due to THAAD RADAR being able to "see" deep into China.

    https://supchina.com/2020/02/12/the-age-of-cooptation-the-high-cost-of-doing-business-in-xis-china/

    "Galloway made some predictions with respect to China in 2020:

    I think we are going to hear about Apple in China [in 2020]…The only big tech company that’s been able to make any real inroads in China has been Apple…I wonder what has gone on in terms of their supply chain, in terms of privacy, and Tim toes a pretty righteous line around his activities and he’s used it to his advantage. 

    I wonder what kind of deal with China he has struck and I think we are going to start hearing more uncomfortable things about what Apple has had to do to stay as relevant and sell as many iPhones. I think there is no free lunch over there. I think a company that big…We’re going to hear more about Apple in China in 2020, and it’s not going to be good for Apple. 

    It was interesting to hear Galloway’s take on China because it reflects my own conclusions about doing business in China in the era of Xi Jinping. I am not in the prediction business and thus don’t know if Galloway is right about what we are going to hear about Apple and China in the coming year. But I do know that he has suggested an important line of discussion for the coming years: What does it cost to do business in China in the Era of Xi Jinping?"

    and then this;


    "How Huawei caught up to Apple’s FaceID

    In the spring of 2018, I flew to Shenzhen to spend some time with an old friend, Ken Hu (胡厚崑 Hú Hòukūn), the vice chairman of the Board of Directors at Huawei. I then went on to have lunch with Madame Chén Lífāng 陈黎芳, Huawei’s senior vice president, board member, and the head of the company’s government affairs office. (I have known Hu and Chen a long time and they were willing to take a friendly meeting to catch up on things.) I wanted to meet with Ken and Madame Chen to confirm a rumor I had heard in China technology circles. 

    The background for this story is that Apple is very good at supply chain innovation and helping suppliers build out manufacturing processes. Because Apple works with so many suppliers, there tends to be a significant amount of leakage in the supply chain, as Apple supply chain partners seek to leverage their Apple-acquired knowledge to make money by supplying Apple’s competitors like Huawei, Oppo, and Vivo. Thus, many competitors follow Apple around the supply chain, hoping to take advantage of the processes these suppliers have learned from working with Apple. 

    Huawei is often first in line for taking advantage of what these suppliers have learned from Apple. Sometime around 2015, there were rumors in the Chinese smartphone manufacturing community of something called FaceID (leading up to the launch of the iPhone X). There were also rumors of a hardware module, which would make FaceID possible. The rumors were that this would be a significant leap in innovation for Apple, and it would likely create a significant gap between Apple and its competitors. There were also rumors that Huawei was attempting to entice Chinese suppliers to reveal some of the secrets behind the new hardware module. This is the story I wanted Ken Hu and Madame Chen to confirm for me.

    Huawei realized it would be a serious setback for the company if it didn’t have something similar to Apple’s FaceID, and Huawei went to the government for help. Initially, Huawei hoped the government would put some heat on Apple and force the suppliers to loosen up a little bit. Surprisingly, the government said the following (I am paraphrasing here, based on my conversation with Madame Chen): 

    Government: Forget about Apple suppliers on this issue. 

    Huawei: We can’t ignore this. It will be a serious competitive advantage for Apple iPhones if we don’t have something comparable. 

    Government: We did not say forget about FaceID, just forget about following Apple on hardware. What if we gave you access to a database of 1.4 billion faces and you used that database to develop an AI algorithm to recognize faces? Could you develop an AI solution rather than a hardware solution?

    And that’s what Huawei did. The Chinese Government, which has probably been more aggressive (and intrusive) in collecting data through facial recognition than any government in the world, was offering to turn over a database of faces to a private company to build an AI algorithm for facial recognition. 

    Think about this: The Chinese Government was offering to make all of its facial recognition data available to a private company to help this company compete with an international, publicly-traded competitor. This type of coordination between the Chinese Government and the private sector would have been unthinkable six years ago. But what did Huawei owe the Chinese government as a result? What was the quid pro quo here? Very likely: data. And what does this case suggest about other companies that have significant manufacturing and sales operations there?"


    Perhaps Apple would be better off abandoning China, though I would argue that China would be better off abandoning Xi Jinping's authoritarianism, as if that is going to happen.

    edited February 2020 FileMakerFellerwatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 22
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    apple ][ said:
    hentaiboy said:
    lkrupp said:
    Abalos65 said:
    I would prefer AppleInsider not posting DED editorials.
    Does the truth offend you?
    The relentless Android/Samsung schadenfreude is becoming rather tiresome.

    It would be like going to a Ferrari fan forum and reading constant Tesla put-down editorials.
    What is tiring is when Fandroids come to an Apple forum to bash Apple. You dont really see any Apple fans doing the opposite, because why would they ever want to visit an Android forum?

    We all know who the most hateful and delusional fans are, and its not Apple fans.
    How would you know since you never visit any Android forums? ;)

    For what it's worth I do visit various tech forums (along with other interests) some of which have an Android focus. Surprise, iOS users are welcome at all the ones I frequent. In fact many of the most dedicated fans own both Apple and Android smartphones and are treated cordially in general by other members. AI is actually one of the less tolerant and welcoming fan sites which some here may not realize, tho I find it extremely worthwhile for the knowledge and insider stuff I see posted from you and others. You just need a thicker skin and know what you're talking about to hang out here. The effort is worth it. 

    If you want to know how average Android fans look at Apple then take a couple of Tums to settle your stomach, pop a beer, and drop by Android Central or Android Police. Spend a few minutes, read some articles having to do with the iPhone, or AirPods, or Macs (they're not that rare), then come back and tell us all how evil and hateful they are. 
    edited February 2020 sirlance99lkrupp
  • Reply 12 of 22
    apple ][ said:
    hentaiboy said:
    lkrupp said:
    Abalos65 said:
    I would prefer AppleInsider not posting DED editorials.
    Does the truth offend you?
    The relentless Android/Samsung schadenfreude is becoming rather tiresome.

    It would be like going to a Ferrari fan forum and reading constant Tesla put-down editorials.
    Nope, I dont mind at all. I passionately dislike Android and I dont mind reading about its failures from time to time. I dont visit any Android forums, so I have no other way to hear about the most recent Android fiascos, and there is no shortage of those.

    What is tiring is when Fandroids come to an Apple forum to bash Apple. You dont really see any Apple fans doing the opposite, because why would they ever want to visit an Android forum?

    We all know who the most hateful and delusional fans are, and its not Apple fans.
    That’s not true at all. I’ve been on some android forums and you have delusional, hateful Apple fanatics on there as well. It goes both ways and the Apple crazies are just as bad. 
  • Reply 13 of 22
    hentaiboy said:
    lkrupp said:
    Abalos65 said:
    I would prefer AppleInsider not posting DED editorials.
    Does the truth offend you?
    The relentless Android/Samsung schadenfreude is becoming rather tiresome.

    It would be like going to a Ferrari fan forum and reading constant Tesla put-down editorials.
    Not that it should matter, but I love my iPhone 6s and iPad Pro 10.5. I like Apple. This is why I visit AppleInsider for some time now. I do not like the DED editorials, they are the most blatant form of blind fanboyism. If other tech sites would post these kind of editorials I would comment the same. I am not a Android/Samsung fanboy for simply finding these editorials tasteless. This is not a sports game. 
    hentaiboy said:
    lkrupp said:
    Abalos65 said:
    I would prefer AppleInsider not posting DED editorials.
    Does the truth offend you?
    The relentless Android/Samsung schadenfreude is becoming rather tiresome.

    It would be like going to a Ferrari fan forum and reading constant Tesla put-down editorials.
    Nope, I dont mind at all. I passionately dislike Android and I dont mind reading about its failures from time to time. I dont visit any Android forums, so I have no other way to hear about the most recent Android fiascos, and there is no shortage of those.

    What is tiring is when Fandroids come to an Apple forum to bash Apple. You dont really see any Apple fans doing the opposite, because why would they ever want to visit an Android forum?

    We all know who the most hateful and delusional fans are, and its not Apple fans.
    Well, luckily you admit you are just assuming based on nothing. Makes it easier to dismiss.
    MplsP
  • Reply 14 of 22
    hentaiboy said:
    lkrupp said:
    Abalos65 said:
    I would prefer AppleInsider not posting DED editorials.
    Does the truth offend you?
    The relentless Android/Samsung schadenfreude is becoming rather tiresome.

    It would be like going to a Ferrari fan forum and reading constant Tesla put-down editorials.
    I don't believe schadenfreude (happiness at another's misfortune) is the appropriate term to use. My perception is that the author is rebutting the negative comments that I see published far and wide about Apple. If there was no mention of competing products or services in such a rebuttal, it would face the valid criticism that there was no mention of a significant portion of the market.

    When a comedian shoots down a heckler, is that their act?
    lolliverpscooter63watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 22
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,693member
    tmay said:
    This is of note as the squabbling around the cost of cancelling MWC is coming into focus.

    The GSMA is trying to argue that events were beyond their control.

    The WHO says there were no scientific grounds for cancelling the event. Flights from China are arriving every day.

    Those who have lost money claim other international fairs continue to go ahead around the world and in Barcelona. MWC is just a couple weeks and only four days of official presence in a conference setting that hosts major international events throughout the year.
  • Reply 17 of 22
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,340member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    This is of note as the squabbling around the cost of cancelling MWC is coming into focus.

    The GSMA is trying to argue that events were beyond their control.

    The WHO says there were no scientific grounds for cancelling the event. Flights from China are arriving every day.

    Those who have lost money claim other international fairs continue to go ahead around the world and in Barcelona. MWC is just a couple weeks and only four days of official presence in a conference setting that hosts major international events throughout the year.
    I'm fine with Spain taking risks with the spread of Coronavirus, if that is what they (and you want) to do, but, I'm not fine with the risk of aggravating an epidemic into a Pandemic so that you can get off on a bunch of products that you won't buy anyway. You always want evidence, but National Security is about risk, and right now, the risk of a pandemic is reason enough to reduce international travel. China's economy is getting hammered simply because the Autocratic Chinese Government covered up the Coronavirus early.

    I don't trust the WHO at all after their statements wrt to China "doing a good job" when the evidence was absolutely not that. Even now the WHO is waffling on the virility of the Coronavirus, which actually has a name, COVID 19.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 22
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,931member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    This is of note as the squabbling around the cost of cancelling MWC is coming into focus.

    The GSMA is trying to argue that events were beyond their control.

    The WHO says there were no scientific grounds for cancelling the event. Flights from China are arriving every day.

    Those who have lost money claim other international fairs continue to go ahead around the world and in Barcelona. MWC is just a couple weeks and only four days of official presence in a conference setting that hosts major international events throughout the year.
    I'm fine with Spain taking risks with the spread of Coronavirus, if that is what they (and you want) to do, but, I'm not fine with the risk of aggravating an epidemic into a Pandemic so that you can get off on a bunch of products that you won't buy anyway. You always want evidence, but National Security is about risk, and right now, the risk of a pandemic is reason enough to reduce international travel. China's economy is getting hammered simply because the Autocratic Chinese Government covered up the Coronavirus early.

    I don't trust the WHO at all after their statements wrt to China "doing a good job" when the evidence was absolutely not that. Even now the WHO is waffling on the virility of the Coronavirus, which actually has a name, COVID 19.
    china was deliberately misleading the WHO. I trust the WHO more than I do china
  • Reply 19 of 22
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,340member
    MplsP said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    This is of note as the squabbling around the cost of cancelling MWC is coming into focus.

    The GSMA is trying to argue that events were beyond their control.

    The WHO says there were no scientific grounds for cancelling the event. Flights from China are arriving every day.

    Those who have lost money claim other international fairs continue to go ahead around the world and in Barcelona. MWC is just a couple weeks and only four days of official presence in a conference setting that hosts major international events throughout the year.
    I'm fine with Spain taking risks with the spread of Coronavirus, if that is what they (and you want) to do, but, I'm not fine with the risk of aggravating an epidemic into a Pandemic so that you can get off on a bunch of products that you won't buy anyway. You always want evidence, but National Security is about risk, and right now, the risk of a pandemic is reason enough to reduce international travel. China's economy is getting hammered simply because the Autocratic Chinese Government covered up the Coronavirus early.

    I don't trust the WHO at all after their statements wrt to China "doing a good job" when the evidence was absolutely not that. Even now the WHO is waffling on the virility of the Coronavirus, which actually has a name, COVID 19.
    china was deliberately misleading the WHO. I trust the WHO more than I do china
    While I agree about China Misleading, the real issue is that the Head of WHO was out of line praising China's response, and that raised a lot of concerns worldwide. As for the waffling, some of that is to be expected from a new strain of virus, but the consensus seems to be that there isn't all that much reliable data on the incubation period, nor transmission for Health workers to let their guards down.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 22
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,693member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    This is of note as the squabbling around the cost of cancelling MWC is coming into focus.

    The GSMA is trying to argue that events were beyond their control.

    The WHO says there were no scientific grounds for cancelling the event. Flights from China are arriving every day.

    Those who have lost money claim other international fairs continue to go ahead around the world and in Barcelona. MWC is just a couple weeks and only four days of official presence in a conference setting that hosts major international events throughout the year.
    I'm fine with Spain taking risks with the spread of Coronavirus, if that is what they (and you want) to do, but, I'm not fine with the risk of aggravating an epidemic into a Pandemic so that you can get off on a bunch of products that you won't buy anyway. You always want evidence, but National Security is about risk, and right now, the risk of a pandemic is reason enough to reduce international travel. China's economy is getting hammered simply because the Autocratic Chinese Government covered up the Coronavirus early.

    I don't trust the WHO at all after their statements wrt to China "doing a good job" when the evidence was absolutely not that. Even now the WHO is waffling on the virility of the Coronavirus, which actually has a name, COVID 19.
    As noted, trade fairs continue to take place around the world and flights arrive from China every day. Fira Barcelona has 400,000sqm available, a full schedule and brings in 2,500,000 visitors a year. That puts the 100,000 MWC attendees into perspective.

    The WHO angle is vital here because it will be used by claimants to argue the lack of any scientific evidence warranting the cancellation. 

    It's going to get messy.
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