All we have is a government trying to destroy a company because everyone is welcome to play, but America must win!
LOL,
You still have no clue about National Security; nations don't buy critical infrastructure from a potential adversary, and China is certainly past being just potential.
That's what Australia and the U.S. decided, independently I might add, and many of the EU have strong misgivings about Huawei, and China, but are concerned about economic backlash from China if they fully ban insecure systems in there 5G buildouts.
In the meantime, there isn't any technical reason that the EU and the U.S. shouldn't go with Ericsson, Nokia, or Samsung, other than the fact that Huawei can offer lower cost or even financing as they have the complete support of the Chinese Government. But, yeah, I agree that the EU is too fucking stupid to not realize that China is eating their lunch, and needs to reconsider it rules and laws against duopolies, because the WTO isn't going to do shit about State support for Huawei from the Chinese Government.
As you have been reminded several times, there is NO national security issue here.
And even if there were, the U.S should not be trying to call the shots on what other sovereign nations should do.
Considering that the U.S. is, and has been, the acknowledged leader of the Free World since the the end of WWII, has spent a huge sum on supporting the Europeans against Russian aggression for something like 60 years, I think that the U.S. should in fact have a say in the critical infrastructure of its Allies, especially those in the EU that have access to our intelligence.
I'm all for EU sovereignty, but the EU has shown disdain for spending its own money to maintain that sovereignty. Then of course, there is the UK, which once ruled the seas, but can barely put together a carrier task group of either the Queen Elizabeth or the Prince of Wales, but not both. Meanwhile, China's PLAN is building out a blue water navy in an attempt to rival the U.S., and that is certainly a National Security issue for democracies in the South Pacifica, especially Australia and New Zealand, not to mention Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, but also Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia and India.
Were the U.S. not a superpower, I doubt that China would have any compulsion against throwing its weight around and pushing its authoritarian rule, which they are certainly attempting to do with their weaker trading partners.
Yeah, the U.S. is the superpower that has the Navy, Maries, Army, and Air Force, to support Global trade and secure trade routes, often with support of members of NATO, and other regional power, and China with its Authoritarian bent is attempting to compete with that with its BRI and PLAN Buildout
You seem okay with China's authoritarian expansion, because you get the Huawei toys that you want, but ultimately, it's risky behavior for Nations to do that.
Fun fact;
Chna is bullying Sweden, and Sweden is having nothing of it;
“We treat our friends with fine wine,” said the man in black suit from his armchair, adding, “but for our enemies we got shotguns.” This is not a line from the latest blockbuster gangster movie, but a message from China’s ambassador to Sweden, speaking directly to Swedish public radio.
The above line is only one of several threats Ambassador Gui Congyou has been busy issuing since Swedish PEN announced in early November that kidnapped Swedish publisher Gui Minhai will receive the Tucholsky Prize — an annual award to writers and publicists living under threat or in exile — this year.
A couple of days later, the Chinese embassy branded the nomination as a farce in a statement on its website, demanding that Swedish PEN withdraw the prize or face consequences. That statement was later taken down and replaced with a much longer and more assertive text on November 14, the day before the award ceremony was to be held. Some people, the ambassador commented, “shouldn’t feel at ease” after hurting Chinese interests."
Chinese assholes, in operation.
Really, that sounds quite awful. The U.S. is not the leader of the free world. Shudder the thought! The free world could reasonably ask itself, if it is truly free, why there are permanent members on the U.N Security Council?
The U.S cannot defend the world without the help of others. Maybe you've watched to much Marvel. The U.S needs military bases around the globe to maintain its relevance. It needs the dollar as a reserve currency. It needs to pull the strings on world policy (hence its very own sanctions which it expects to be obeyed). It needs to be at the forefront of technology.
Some of that is under serious threat and rightly so. It doesn't have a God given right to it, but that is how your post reads.
Unable to find the evidence to back up its fabricated accusations on Huawei, it is literally reopening previously settled cases from 20 years ago! That is pure desperation.
Anyhow, we've given our opinions on the political side of this coin, which I admit is difficult to untie from Huawei, but can we get back to the topic of the thread?
All we have is a government trying to destroy a company because everyone is welcome to play, but America must win!
LOL,
You still have no clue about National Security; nations don't buy critical infrastructure from a potential adversary, and China is certainly past being just potential.
That's what Australia and the U.S. decided, independently I might add, and many of the EU have strong misgivings about Huawei, and China, but are concerned about economic backlash from China if they fully ban insecure systems in there 5G buildouts.
In the meantime, there isn't any technical reason that the EU and the U.S. shouldn't go with Ericsson, Nokia, or Samsung, other than the fact that Huawei can offer lower cost or even financing as they have the complete support of the Chinese Government. But, yeah, I agree that the EU is too fucking stupid to not realize that China is eating their lunch, and needs to reconsider it rules and laws against duopolies, because the WTO isn't going to do shit about State support for Huawei from the Chinese Government.
As you have been reminded several times, there is NO national security issue here.
And even if there were, the U.S should not be trying to call the shots on what other sovereign nations should do.
Considering that the U.S. is, and has been, the acknowledged leader of the Free World since the the end of WWII, has spent a huge sum on supporting the Europeans against Russian aggression for something like 60 years, I think that the U.S. should in fact have a say in the critical infrastructure of its Allies, especially those in the EU that have access to our intelligence.
I'm all for EU sovereignty, but the EU has shown disdain for spending its own money to maintain that sovereignty. Then of course, there is the UK, which once ruled the seas, but can barely put together a carrier task group of either the Queen Elizabeth or the Prince of Wales, but not both. Meanwhile, China's PLAN is building out a blue water navy in an attempt to rival the U.S., and that is certainly a National Security issue for democracies in the South Pacifica, especially Australia and New Zealand, not to mention Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, but also Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia and India.
Were the U.S. not a superpower, I doubt that China would have any compulsion against throwing its weight around and pushing its authoritarian rule, which they are certainly attempting to do with their weaker trading partners.
Yeah, the U.S. is the superpower that has the Navy, Maries, Army, and Air Force, to support Global trade and secure trade routes, often with support of members of NATO, and other regional power, and China with its Authoritarian bent is attempting to compete with that with its BRI and PLAN Buildout
You seem okay with China's authoritarian expansion, because you get the Huawei toys that you want, but ultimately, it's risky behavior for Nations to do that.
Fun fact;
Chna is bullying Sweden, and Sweden is having nothing of it;
“We treat our friends with fine wine,” said the man in black suit from his armchair, adding, “but for our enemies we got shotguns.” This is not a line from the latest blockbuster gangster movie, but a message from China’s ambassador to Sweden, speaking directly to Swedish public radio.
The above line is only one of several threats Ambassador Gui Congyou has been busy issuing since Swedish PEN announced in early November that kidnapped Swedish publisher Gui Minhai will receive the Tucholsky Prize — an annual award to writers and publicists living under threat or in exile — this year.
A couple of days later, the Chinese embassy branded the nomination as a farce in a statement on its website, demanding that Swedish PEN withdraw the prize or face consequences. That statement was later taken down and replaced with a much longer and more assertive text on November 14, the day before the award ceremony was to be held. Some people, the ambassador commented, “shouldn’t feel at ease” after hurting Chinese interests."
Chinese assholes, in operation.
Really, that sounds quite awful. The U.S. is not the leader of the free world. Shudder the thought! The free world could reasonably ask itself, if it is truly free, why there are permanent members on the U.N Security Council?
The U.S cannot defend the world without the help of others. Maybe you've watched to much Marvel. The U.S needs military bases around the globe to maintain its relevance. It needs the dollar as a reserve currency. It needs to pull the strings on world policy (hence its very own sanctions which it expects to be obeyed). It needs to be at the forefront of technology.
Some of that is under serious threat and rightly so. It doesn't have a God given right to it, but that is how your post reads.
Unable to find the evidence to back up its fabricated accusations on Huawei, it is literally reopening previously settled cases from 20 years ago! That is pure desperation.
Anyhow, we've given our opinions on the political side of this coin, which I admit is difficult to untie from Huawei, but can we get back to the topic of the thread?
Why are there permanent members of the UN?
That's easy. The principle victors of WWII got permanent seats; the U.S., Britain, France, China, and Russia, because they were instrumental in setting up the United Nations.
The U.S. became the leader of the Free World simply because all the other participants were rebuilding their countries, and of course, Mainland China was under the power of Mao, and Russia under Stalin, two classic totalitarians. There is no question that the U.S. relies on help from other democracies, so stop being obtuse.
I mean, what the fuck, your Spain didn't even become a constitutional democracy until 1978 for fuck sake, so even if the U.S. doesn't have the "god given right", there isn't any other country that is in a position to lead the free world, and the EU certainly hasn't figured it out.
As for Huawei, both Australia and the U.S. are pissed at Britain for kowtowing to the Chinese and allowing Huawei, but given the collapse of the UK as both a world power and and economy, of course they will choose the path of trying to work both the U.S. and China, and fail at both.
All we have is a government trying to destroy a company because everyone is welcome to play, but America must win!
LOL,
You still have no clue about National Security; nations don't buy critical infrastructure from a potential adversary, and China is certainly past being just potential.
That's what Australia and the U.S. decided, independently I might add, and many of the EU have strong misgivings about Huawei, and China, but are concerned about economic backlash from China if they fully ban insecure systems in there 5G buildouts.
In the meantime, there isn't any technical reason that the EU and the U.S. shouldn't go with Ericsson, Nokia, or Samsung, other than the fact that Huawei can offer lower cost or even financing as they have the complete support of the Chinese Government. But, yeah, I agree that the EU is too fucking stupid to not realize that China is eating their lunch, and needs to reconsider it rules and laws against duopolies, because the WTO isn't going to do shit about State support for Huawei from the Chinese Government.
As you have been reminded several times, there is NO national security issue here.
And even if there were, the U.S should not be trying to call the shots on what other sovereign nations should do.
Considering that the U.S. is, and has been, the acknowledged leader of the Free World since the the end of WWII, has spent a huge sum on supporting the Europeans against Russian aggression for something like 60 years, I think that the U.S. should in fact have a say in the critical infrastructure of its Allies, especially those in the EU that have access to our intelligence.
....
I thought colonialism had died out decades ago... But today's radical right seems to lean towards it -- as long as they are the colonizers.
Funny, it is the Chinese that are the colonizers now, and you seem to find that quite acceptable.
Whatever floats your boat.
Your hatred is palpable.
The part that you're missing is: Trump considers and treats anyone or anything who opposes him in any way as an enemy to be destroyed. His math is simple: Opponent = destroy. Supporter = Praise.
Since China and Huawei are the most capable competitors in the world, Trump considers them as an opponents -- just as he does any political opponent. And, just like his political opponents, he fabricates things to denigrate them and destroy them. Yes, like any good propaganda, there is typically a shred of truth involved to make it credible. But still, it's mostly fabrication and distortion in order to destroy an opponent.
Trump is the Jim Jones of the right and you have drunk his KoolAid.
We had a cold war going with China once which, ironically, Trump's doppleganger ended. But, since they are now a very capable opponent, Trump desires to start it back up again. He doesn't care that they play by the rules. He feels he is above the rules and that he makes the rules. And, by his rules, competitors are to be destroyed simply because they are competitors.
It is ironic and more than a little silly that you deny being a Trump cultist but carry his water anyway.
All we have is a government trying to destroy a company because everyone is welcome to play, but America must win!
LOL,
You still have no clue about National Security; nations don't buy critical infrastructure from a potential adversary, and China is certainly past being just potential.
That's what Australia and the U.S. decided, independently I might add, and many of the EU have strong misgivings about Huawei, and China, but are concerned about economic backlash from China if they fully ban insecure systems in there 5G buildouts.
In the meantime, there isn't any technical reason that the EU and the U.S. shouldn't go with Ericsson, Nokia, or Samsung, other than the fact that Huawei can offer lower cost or even financing as they have the complete support of the Chinese Government. But, yeah, I agree that the EU is too fucking stupid to not realize that China is eating their lunch, and needs to reconsider it rules and laws against duopolies, because the WTO isn't going to do shit about State support for Huawei from the Chinese Government.
As you have been reminded several times, there is NO national security issue here.
And even if there were, the U.S should not be trying to call the shots on what other sovereign nations should do.
Considering that the U.S. is, and has been, the acknowledged leader of the Free World since the the end of WWII, has spent a huge sum on supporting the Europeans against Russian aggression for something like 60 years, I think that the U.S. should in fact have a say in the critical infrastructure of its Allies, especially those in the EU that have access to our intelligence.
....
I thought colonialism had died out decades ago... But today's radical right seems to lean towards it -- as long as they are the colonizers.
Funny, it is the Chinese that are the colonizers now, and you seem to find that quite acceptable.
Whatever floats your boat.
Your hatred is palpable.
The part that you're missing is: Trump considers and treats anyone or anything who opposes him in any way as an enemy to be destroyed. His math is simple: Opponent = destroy. Supporter = Praise.
Since China and Huawei are the most capable competitors in the world, Trump considers them as an opponents -- just as he does any political opponent. And, just like his political opponents, he fabricates things to denigrate them and destroy them. Yes, like any good propaganda, there is typically a shred of truth involved to make it credible. But still, it's mostly fabrication and distortion in order to destroy an opponent.
Trump is the Jim Jones of the right and you have drunk his KoolAid.
We had a cold war going with China once which, ironically, Trump's doppleganger ended. But, since they are now a very capable opponent, Trump desires to start it back up again. He doesn't care that they play by the rules. He feels he is above the rules and that he makes the rules. And, by his rules, competitors are to be destroyed simply because they are competitors.
It is ironic and more than a little silly that you deny being a Trump cultist but carry his water anyway.
I'm not carrying his water, and I actually want Trump out of office. I'm well up on national security because I actually read a variety of source material, something that you are not even interested in. As for China playing by the rules, that's just bullshit.
If you think that China is benign, then that's your opinion, but there is certainly plenty of evidence that China is not. The fact that you blindly support China and Huawei because they are targets of Trump is ludicrous, but being an apologist for China is worse.
Oh, and here's the post, again, about how Australia decided that Huawei was too high a risk;
The British decision to involve Huawei was, according to Gilding, based on the mistaken assumption that a country can apply “traditional” defences to stop a cyber attack launched with the help of a company running part or all of a 5G network. Gilding says this underestimates the capability of Chinese state hackers, who he calls “top tier.”
In carrying out Australia's assessment, his own team concluded that if they could coerce a network controller such as Huawei to insert complex code during a system update, they could gain control of parts of a 5G network and never be detected.
“They [the British] think they can manage the risk but we don’t think that is plausible given Huawei would be subject to direction from hostile intelligence services.”
All we have is a government trying to destroy a company because everyone is welcome to play, but America must win!
LOL,
You still have no clue about National Security; nations don't buy critical infrastructure from a potential adversary, and China is certainly past being just potential.
That's what Australia and the U.S. decided, independently I might add, and many of the EU have strong misgivings about Huawei, and China, but are concerned about economic backlash from China if they fully ban insecure systems in there 5G buildouts.
In the meantime, there isn't any technical reason that the EU and the U.S. shouldn't go with Ericsson, Nokia, or Samsung, other than the fact that Huawei can offer lower cost or even financing as they have the complete support of the Chinese Government. But, yeah, I agree that the EU is too fucking stupid to not realize that China is eating their lunch, and needs to reconsider it rules and laws against duopolies, because the WTO isn't going to do shit about State support for Huawei from the Chinese Government.
As you have been reminded several times, there is NO national security issue here.
And even if there were, the U.S should not be trying to call the shots on what other sovereign nations should do.
Considering that the U.S. is, and has been, the acknowledged leader of the Free World since the the end of WWII, has spent a huge sum on supporting the Europeans against Russian aggression for something like 60 years, I think that the U.S. should in fact have a say in the critical infrastructure of its Allies, especially those in the EU that have access to our intelligence.
....
I thought colonialism had died out decades ago... But today's radical right seems to lean towards it -- as long as they are the colonizers.
Funny, it is the Chinese that are the colonizers now, and you seem to find that quite acceptable.
Whatever floats your boat.
Your hatred is palpable.
The part that you're missing is: Trump considers and treats anyone or anything who opposes him in any way as an enemy to be destroyed. His math is simple: Opponent = destroy. Supporter = Praise.
Since China and Huawei are the most capable competitors in the world, Trump considers them as an opponents -- just as he does any political opponent. And, just like his political opponents, he fabricates things to denigrate them and destroy them. Yes, like any good propaganda, there is typically a shred of truth involved to make it credible. But still, it's mostly fabrication and distortion in order to destroy an opponent.
Trump is the Jim Jones of the right and you have drunk his KoolAid.
We had a cold war going with China once which, ironically, Trump's doppleganger ended. But, since they are now a very capable opponent, Trump desires to start it back up again. He doesn't care that they play by the rules. He feels he is above the rules and that he makes the rules. And, by his rules, competitors are to be destroyed simply because they are competitors.
It is ironic and more than a little silly that you deny being a Trump cultist but carry his water anyway.
I'm not carrying his water, and I actually want Trump out of office. I'm well up on national security because I actually read a variety of source material, something that you are not even interested in. As for China playing by the rules, that's just bullshit.
If you think that China is benign, then that's your opinion, but there is certainly plenty of evidence that China is not. The fact that you blindly support China and Huawei because they are targets of Trump is ludicrous, but being an apologist for China is worse.
Oh, and here's the post, again, about how Australia decided that Huawei was too high a risk;
The British decision to involve Huawei was, according to Gilding, based on the mistaken assumption that a country can apply “traditional” defences to stop a cyber attack launched with the help of a company running part or all of a 5G network. Gilding says this underestimates the capability of Chinese state hackers, who he calls “top tier.”
In carrying out Australia's assessment, his own team concluded that if they could coerce a network controller such as Huawei to insert complex code during a system update, they could gain control of parts of a 5G network and never be detected.
“They [the British] think they can manage the risk but we don’t think that is plausible given Huawei would be subject to direction from hostile intelligence services.”
Of course it's just political. /s
Back in 2015, China stole NASA rover tech and catapulted their amateur space program to being state of the art in just a few years. So yeah, China is, has been, and will be, a problem for the US.
All we have is a government trying to destroy a company because everyone is welcome to play, but America must win!
LOL,
You still have no clue about National Security; nations don't buy critical infrastructure from a potential adversary, and China is certainly past being just potential.
That's what Australia and the U.S. decided, independently I might add, and many of the EU have strong misgivings about Huawei, and China, but are concerned about economic backlash from China if they fully ban insecure systems in there 5G buildouts.
In the meantime, there isn't any technical reason that the EU and the U.S. shouldn't go with Ericsson, Nokia, or Samsung, other than the fact that Huawei can offer lower cost or even financing as they have the complete support of the Chinese Government. But, yeah, I agree that the EU is too fucking stupid to not realize that China is eating their lunch, and needs to reconsider it rules and laws against duopolies, because the WTO isn't going to do shit about State support for Huawei from the Chinese Government.
As you have been reminded several times, there is NO national security issue here.
And even if there were, the U.S should not be trying to call the shots on what other sovereign nations should do.
Considering that the U.S. is, and has been, the acknowledged leader of the Free World since the the end of WWII, has spent a huge sum on supporting the Europeans against Russian aggression for something like 60 years, I think that the U.S. should in fact have a say in the critical infrastructure of its Allies, especially those in the EU that have access to our intelligence.
....
I thought colonialism had died out decades ago... But today's radical right seems to lean towards it -- as long as they are the colonizers.
Funny, it is the Chinese that are the colonizers now, and you seem to find that quite acceptable.
Whatever floats your boat.
Your hatred is palpable.
The part that you're missing is: Trump considers and treats anyone or anything who opposes him in any way as an enemy to be destroyed. His math is simple: Opponent = destroy. Supporter = Praise.
Since China and Huawei are the most capable competitors in the world, Trump considers them as an opponents -- just as he does any political opponent. And, just like his political opponents, he fabricates things to denigrate them and destroy them. Yes, like any good propaganda, there is typically a shred of truth involved to make it credible. But still, it's mostly fabrication and distortion in order to destroy an opponent.
Trump is the Jim Jones of the right and you have drunk his KoolAid.
We had a cold war going with China once which, ironically, Trump's doppleganger ended. But, since they are now a very capable opponent, Trump desires to start it back up again. He doesn't care that they play by the rules. He feels he is above the rules and that he makes the rules. And, by his rules, competitors are to be destroyed simply because they are competitors.
It is ironic and more than a little silly that you deny being a Trump cultist but carry his water anyway.
I'm not carrying his water, and I actually want Trump out of office. I'm well up on national security because I actually read a variety of source material, something that you are not even interested in. As for China playing by the rules, that's just bullshit.
If you think that China is benign, then that's your opinion, but there is certainly plenty of evidence that China is not. The fact that you blindly support China and Huawei because they are targets of Trump is ludicrous, but being an apologist for China is worse.
Oh, and here's the post, again, about how Australia decided that Huawei was too high a risk;
The British decision to involve Huawei was, according to Gilding, based on the mistaken assumption that a country can apply “traditional” defences to stop a cyber attack launched with the help of a company running part or all of a 5G network. Gilding says this underestimates the capability of Chinese state hackers, who he calls “top tier.”
In carrying out Australia's assessment, his own team concluded that if they could coerce a network controller such as Huawei to insert complex code during a system update, they could gain control of parts of a 5G network and never be detected.
“They [the British] think they can manage the risk but we don’t think that is plausible given Huawei would be subject to direction from hostile intelligence services.”
Of course it's just political. /s
Back in 2015, China stole NASA rover tech and catapulted their amateur space program to being state of the art in just a few years. So yeah, China is, has been, and will be, a problem for the US.
Huawei will be just fine. China wanted to become independent of the West in its technological development by 2024. China can simply stop their people from buying the iPhone and also they can order all iPhone manufacturing in China to be shut down immediately.
After the Coronavirus impact on the economy eases off, there will be an incredible push by the Chinese government to influence (or order) the Chinese consumers to buy domestic products exclusively. Fortunately for China, they can pretty much become economically independent from the West overnight.
The consequences of the Coronavirus epidemic in China will be economic nationalism of never before heard or seen scale. The 2018 boycott of the iPhone by the Chinese consumers will look like a joke compared to what is coming. The Chinese government is pissed at the world for isolating China in these challenging times. China will retaliate once they get a handle on this epidemic.
What’s going for the Chinese brands is a tremendous buying power of the Chinese market and the most robust manufacturing infrastructure in the world. Add the communist ideology and the ability to manipulate consumer sentiment by the government, and you get a powerful cocktail that will allow China to continue to develop without having to rely on the West for the technology or the markets.
Instead of worrying what will happen to Huawei, worry about what will happen to Apple, which has no contingency plan for making its products in the comparable volumes outside of China. Apple also depends heavily on the Chinese market to sell their products. Even though China doesn’t represent the largest share of the Apple’s market, the drop in the China sales of the Apple products will have a profound effect in the Apple’s bottom line and the AAPL share price. Just remember what happened to AAPL at the end of 2018, when Apple’s sales in China dropped by 18%. The AAPL stock lost 40% of its value. Now imagine if the Chinese reduce their purchases of Apple products by 50% or 75%. What will the effect be if the Chinese government shuts down all manufacturing of Apple products in China as a retaliation for the American treatment of Huawei and the imposed isolation of China during the early stages of the Coronavirus epidemic?
Yes, China is planning on making itself independent, but only of Trump's bully tactics and propaganda -- where he suddenly tries to tariff them out of a key market and/or restrict their access to vital services, products and materials.
Otherwise, since Nixon resolved our cold war with them 50 years ago, they have been and plan to continue competing as any other country does in the open and fair international markets. They have no desire to isolate themselves -- that's a Trump thing, not a China thing.
All we have is a government trying to destroy a company because everyone is welcome to play, but America must win!
LOL,
You still have no clue about National Security; nations don't buy critical infrastructure from a potential adversary, and China is certainly past being just potential.
That's what Australia and the U.S. decided, independently I might add, and many of the EU have strong misgivings about Huawei, and China, but are concerned about economic backlash from China if they fully ban insecure systems in there 5G buildouts.
In the meantime, there isn't any technical reason that the EU and the U.S. shouldn't go with Ericsson, Nokia, or Samsung, other than the fact that Huawei can offer lower cost or even financing as they have the complete support of the Chinese Government. But, yeah, I agree that the EU is too fucking stupid to not realize that China is eating their lunch, and needs to reconsider it rules and laws against duopolies, because the WTO isn't going to do shit about State support for Huawei from the Chinese Government.
As you have been reminded several times, there is NO national security issue here.
And even if there were, the U.S should not be trying to call the shots on what other sovereign nations should do.
Considering that the U.S. is, and has been, the acknowledged leader of the Free World since the the end of WWII, has spent a huge sum on supporting the Europeans against Russian aggression for something like 60 years, I think that the U.S. should in fact have a say in the critical infrastructure of its Allies, especially those in the EU that have access to our intelligence.
....
I thought colonialism had died out decades ago... But today's radical right seems to lean towards it -- as long as they are the colonizers.
Funny, it is the Chinese that are the colonizers now, and you seem to find that quite acceptable.
Whatever floats your boat.
Your hatred is palpable.
The part that you're missing is: Trump considers and treats anyone or anything who opposes him in any way as an enemy to be destroyed. His math is simple: Opponent = destroy. Supporter = Praise.
Since China and Huawei are the most capable competitors in the world, Trump considers them as an opponents -- just as he does any political opponent. And, just like his political opponents, he fabricates things to denigrate them and destroy them. Yes, like any good propaganda, there is typically a shred of truth involved to make it credible. But still, it's mostly fabrication and distortion in order to destroy an opponent.
Trump is the Jim Jones of the right and you have drunk his KoolAid.
We had a cold war going with China once which, ironically, Trump's doppleganger ended. But, since they are now a very capable opponent, Trump desires to start it back up again. He doesn't care that they play by the rules. He feels he is above the rules and that he makes the rules. And, by his rules, competitors are to be destroyed simply because they are competitors.
It is ironic and more than a little silly that you deny being a Trump cultist but carry his water anyway.
I'm not carrying his water, and I actually want Trump out of office. I'm well up on national security because I actually read a variety of source material, something that you are not even interested in. As for China playing by the rules, that's just bullshit.
If you think that China is benign, then that's your opinion, but there is certainly plenty of evidence that China is not. The fact that you blindly support China and Huawei because they are targets of Trump is ludicrous, but being an apologist for China is worse.
Oh, and here's the post, again, about how Australia decided that Huawei was too high a risk;
The British decision to involve Huawei was, according to Gilding, based on the mistaken assumption that a country can apply “traditional” defences to stop a cyber attack launched with the help of a company running part or all of a 5G network. Gilding says this underestimates the capability of Chinese state hackers, who he calls “top tier.”
In carrying out Australia's assessment, his own team concluded that if they could coerce a network controller such as Huawei to insert complex code during a system update, they could gain control of parts of a 5G network and never be detected.
“They [the British] think they can manage the risk but we don’t think that is plausible given Huawei would be subject to direction from hostile intelligence services.”
Of course it's just political. /s
If you dislike him so much, why do carry his water?
And, no, like others, the UK asked Trump & his thugs to furnish the evidence behind their accusations. And, when they had none, just more threats and accusations, the UK made the right decision, gave him the finger and moved on to accept the highest quality, lowest cost provider.
Huawei will be just fine. China wanted to become independent of the West in its technological development by 2024. China can simply stop their people from buying the iPhone and also they can order all iPhone manufacturing in China to be shut down immediately.
After the Coronavirus impact on the economy eases off, there will be an incredible push by the Chinese government to influence (or order) the Chinese consumers to buy domestic products exclusively. Fortunately for China, they can pretty much become economically independent from the West overnight.
The consequences of the Coronavirus epidemic in China will be economic nationalism of never before heard or seen scale. The 2018 boycott of the iPhone by the Chinese consumers will look like a joke compared to what is coming. The Chinese government is pissed at the world for isolating China in these challenging times. China will retaliate once they get a handle on this epidemic.
What’s going for the Chinese brands is a tremendous buying power of the Chinese market and the most robust manufacturing infrastructure in the world. Add the communist ideology and the ability to manipulate consumer sentiment by the government, and you get a powerful cocktail that will allow China to continue to develop without having to rely on the West for the technology or the markets.
Instead of worrying what will happen to Huawei, worry about what will happen to Apple, which has no contingency plan for making its products in the comparable volumes outside of China. Apple also depends heavily on the Chinese market to sell their products. Even though China doesn’t represent the largest share of the Apple’s market, the drop in the China sales of the Apple products will have a profound effect in the Apple’s bottom line and the AAPL share price. Just remember what happened to AAPL at the end of 2018, when Apple’s sales in China dropped by 18%. The AAPL stock lost 40% of its value. Now imagine if the Chinese reduce their purchases of Apple products by 50% or 75%. What will the effect be if the Chinese government shuts down all manufacturing of Apple products in China as a retaliation for the American treatment of Huawei and the imposed isolation of China during the early stages of the Coronavirus epidemic?
Yes, China is planning on making itself independent, but only of Trump's bully tactics and propaganda -- where he suddenly tries to tariff them out of a key market and/or restrict their access to vital services, products and materials.
Otherwise, since Nixon resolved our cold war with them 50 years ago, they have been and plan to continue competing as any other country does in the open and fair international markets. They have no desire to isolate themselves -- that's a Trump thing, not a China thing.
The ignorance is strong here. China has been pursuing their own self interest since long before Trump has a been President. Trump pushed back in them, which made the conflict obvious. But it has been around since long before Trump.
And if you want to talk of colonialism in the modern age, China is your standard bearer. Go read up on what they have been doing in SE Asia and Africa for the past few decades.
Trump derangement syndrome is heavily manifest here.
All we have is a government trying to destroy a company because everyone is welcome to play, but America must win!
LOL,
You still have no clue about National Security; nations don't buy critical infrastructure from a potential adversary, and China is certainly past being just potential.
That's what Australia and the U.S. decided, independently I might add, and many of the EU have strong misgivings about Huawei, and China, but are concerned about economic backlash from China if they fully ban insecure systems in there 5G buildouts.
In the meantime, there isn't any technical reason that the EU and the U.S. shouldn't go with Ericsson, Nokia, or Samsung, other than the fact that Huawei can offer lower cost or even financing as they have the complete support of the Chinese Government. But, yeah, I agree that the EU is too fucking stupid to not realize that China is eating their lunch, and needs to reconsider it rules and laws against duopolies, because the WTO isn't going to do shit about State support for Huawei from the Chinese Government.
As you have been reminded several times, there is NO national security issue here.
And even if there were, the U.S should not be trying to call the shots on what other sovereign nations should do.
Considering that the U.S. is, and has been, the acknowledged leader of the Free World since the the end of WWII, has spent a huge sum on supporting the Europeans against Russian aggression for something like 60 years, I think that the U.S. should in fact have a say in the critical infrastructure of its Allies, especially those in the EU that have access to our intelligence.
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I thought colonialism had died out decades ago... But today's radical right seems to lean towards it -- as long as they are the colonizers.
Funny, it is the Chinese that are the colonizers now, and you seem to find that quite acceptable.
Whatever floats your boat.
Your hatred is palpable.
The part that you're missing is: Trump considers and treats anyone or anything who opposes him in any way as an enemy to be destroyed. His math is simple: Opponent = destroy. Supporter = Praise.
Since China and Huawei are the most capable competitors in the world, Trump considers them as an opponents -- just as he does any political opponent. And, just like his political opponents, he fabricates things to denigrate them and destroy them. Yes, like any good propaganda, there is typically a shred of truth involved to make it credible. But still, it's mostly fabrication and distortion in order to destroy an opponent.
Trump is the Jim Jones of the right and you have drunk his KoolAid.
We had a cold war going with China once which, ironically, Trump's doppleganger ended. But, since they are now a very capable opponent, Trump desires to start it back up again. He doesn't care that they play by the rules. He feels he is above the rules and that he makes the rules. And, by his rules, competitors are to be destroyed simply because they are competitors.
It is ironic and more than a little silly that you deny being a Trump cultist but carry his water anyway.
I'm not carrying his water, and I actually want Trump out of office. I'm well up on national security because I actually read a variety of source material, something that you are not even interested in. As for China playing by the rules, that's just bullshit.
If you think that China is benign, then that's your opinion, but there is certainly plenty of evidence that China is not. The fact that you blindly support China and Huawei because they are targets of Trump is ludicrous, but being an apologist for China is worse.
Oh, and here's the post, again, about how Australia decided that Huawei was too high a risk;
The British decision to involve Huawei was, according to Gilding, based on the mistaken assumption that a country can apply “traditional” defences to stop a cyber attack launched with the help of a company running part or all of a 5G network. Gilding says this underestimates the capability of Chinese state hackers, who he calls “top tier.”
In carrying out Australia's assessment, his own team concluded that if they could coerce a network controller such as Huawei to insert complex code during a system update, they could gain control of parts of a 5G network and never be detected.
“They [the British] think they can manage the risk but we don’t think that is plausible given Huawei would be subject to direction from hostile intelligence services.”
Of course it's just political. /s
If you dislike him so much, why do carry his water?
And, no, like others, the UK asked Trump & his thugs to furnish the evidence behind their accusations. And, when they had none, just more threats and accusations, the UK made the right decision, gave him the finger and moved on to accept the highest quality, lowest cost provider.
You don't even have any evidence that Huawei is the highest quality, lowest cost provider, whereas I have plenty of evidence that Huawei is a State Owned Enterprise, and hence, isn't fairly competing with Ericsson, Nokia, or Samsung.
"Nancy Pelosi being quite blunt at #MSC2020, "#China is seeking to export its digital autocracy through its telecommunications giant #Huawei, threatening economic retaliation against those who do not adopt their technologies."
"Huawei has been accused of “reputation laundering” after it emerged that it funded a Cambridge University college study on global governance reforms in communications and technology.
The Chinese technology giant gave a research grant to the China-UK Global Issues Dialogue Centre at Jesus College, which funded a forum in October for 36 senior people in politics, business and academia. The forum led to a white paper, published online this week, that referred favourably to Huawei.
"This is really a bombshell. Naval University of Engineering in #Wuhan, one of the five comprehensive military universities of PLA (official info: http://bit.ly/2URmJ5x) issued a lockdown notice on Jan. 2, 18 days BEFORE the gov. admitted there was an epidemic, 21 days BEFORE the city was locked down. Did the army know something beforehand that we didn't know?"
Huawei will be just fine. China wanted to become independent of the West in its technological development by 2024. China can simply stop their people from buying the iPhone and also they can order all iPhone manufacturing in China to be shut down immediately.
After the Coronavirus impact on the economy eases off, there will be an incredible push by the Chinese government to influence (or order) the Chinese consumers to buy domestic products exclusively. Fortunately for China, they can pretty much become economically independent from the West overnight.
The consequences of the Coronavirus epidemic in China will be economic nationalism of never before heard or seen scale. The 2018 boycott of the iPhone by the Chinese consumers will look like a joke compared to what is coming. The Chinese government is pissed at the world for isolating China in these challenging times. China will retaliate once they get a handle on this epidemic.
What’s going for the Chinese brands is a tremendous buying power of the Chinese market and the most robust manufacturing infrastructure in the world. Add the communist ideology and the ability to manipulate consumer sentiment by the government, and you get a powerful cocktail that will allow China to continue to develop without having to rely on the West for the technology or the markets.
Instead of worrying what will happen to Huawei, worry about what will happen to Apple, which has no contingency plan for making its products in the comparable volumes outside of China. Apple also depends heavily on the Chinese market to sell their products. Even though China doesn’t represent the largest share of the Apple’s market, the drop in the China sales of the Apple products will have a profound effect in the Apple’s bottom line and the AAPL share price. Just remember what happened to AAPL at the end of 2018, when Apple’s sales in China dropped by 18%. The AAPL stock lost 40% of its value. Now imagine if the Chinese reduce their purchases of Apple products by 50% or 75%. What will the effect be if the Chinese government shuts down all manufacturing of Apple products in China as a retaliation for the American treatment of Huawei and the imposed isolation of China during the early stages of the Coronavirus epidemic?
Yes, China is planning on making itself independent, but only of Trump's bully tactics and propaganda -- where he suddenly tries to tariff them out of a key market and/or restrict their access to vital services, products and materials.
Otherwise, since Nixon resolved our cold war with them 50 years ago, they have been and plan to continue competing as any other country does in the open and fair international markets. They have no desire to isolate themselves -- that's a Trump thing, not a China thing.
I guess you haven’t heard about the Communist Party goal for China to become technologically independent by 2024.
Latest news from my back channel to a Chinese epidemiologist.
1. 80% of the people over 60 who contract the Coronavirus die.
2. People who contract the Coronavirus could remain asymptomatic for up to four weeks while infecting others. The quarantine should be at least five weeks to know for sure if a person is infected. Fourteen days in quarantine doesn’t prove or disprove conclusively if the person is infected.
This comes directly from an epidemiologist working in the epicenter of the epidemic.
The same epidemiologist said that there are hundreds of thousands, of not millions, of the people already infected in China.
CDC is now saying that they can’t prevent the epidemic in the US. I guess the government will after all be able to solve the social security and Medicare problem. This Coronavirus will wipe out virtually everyone over 60 within the next few years.
"The need to confront China’s rising influence in the world has become one of the few strategic agenda items that Americans and Europeans can agree on, in sharp contrast to wider transatlantic disagreements over defence, trade and multilateralism.
Leaders from Austria and Norway on Friday expressed concerns about China’s rising clout, worries similar to those expressed by US lawmakers at the Munich Security Conference, an annual event that gathers experts from around the world.
But comments from officials at the conference made clear that even though there was general agreement on an overall strategy, the US and Europe continue to disagree on tactics."
Huawei will be just fine. China wanted to become independent of the West in its technological development by 2024. China can simply stop their people from buying the iPhone and also they can order all iPhone manufacturing in China to be shut down immediately.
After the Coronavirus impact on the economy eases off, there will be an incredible push by the Chinese government to influence (or order) the Chinese consumers to buy domestic products exclusively. Fortunately for China, they can pretty much become economically independent from the West overnight.
The consequences of the Coronavirus epidemic in China will be economic nationalism of never before heard or seen scale. The 2018 boycott of the iPhone by the Chinese consumers will look like a joke compared to what is coming. The Chinese government is pissed at the world for isolating China in these challenging times. China will retaliate once they get a handle on this epidemic.
What’s going for the Chinese brands is a tremendous buying power of the Chinese market and the most robust manufacturing infrastructure in the world. Add the communist ideology and the ability to manipulate consumer sentiment by the government, and you get a powerful cocktail that will allow China to continue to develop without having to rely on the West for the technology or the markets.
Instead of worrying what will happen to Huawei, worry about what will happen to Apple, which has no contingency plan for making its products in the comparable volumes outside of China. Apple also depends heavily on the Chinese market to sell their products. Even though China doesn’t represent the largest share of the Apple’s market, the drop in the China sales of the Apple products will have a profound effect in the Apple’s bottom line and the AAPL share price. Just remember what happened to AAPL at the end of 2018, when Apple’s sales in China dropped by 18%. The AAPL stock lost 40% of its value. Now imagine if the Chinese reduce their purchases of Apple products by 50% or 75%. What will the effect be if the Chinese government shuts down all manufacturing of Apple products in China as a retaliation for the American treatment of Huawei and the imposed isolation of China during the early stages of the Coronavirus epidemic?
Yes, China is planning on making itself independent, but only of Trump's bully tactics and propaganda -- where he suddenly tries to tariff them out of a key market and/or restrict their access to vital services, products and materials.
Otherwise, since Nixon resolved our cold war with them 50 years ago, they have been and plan to continue competing as any other country does in the open and fair international markets. They have no desire to isolate themselves -- that's a Trump thing, not a China thing.
The ignorance is strong here. China has been pursuing their own self interest since long before Trump has a been President. Trump pushed back in them, which made the conflict obvious. But it has been around since long before Trump.
And if you want to talk of colonialism in the modern age, China is your standard bearer. Go read up on what they have been doing in SE Asia and Africa for the past few decades.
Trump derangement syndrome is heavily manifest here.
LOL.. Yes, China has been persuing its own self interest for the past 50 years -- ever since Nixon settled our cold war with them. And they opened up their society to capitalism and basically showed the world how it is done -- which is why American industry moved there from here: They make things better, faster and cheaper.
So, they are a formidable competitor. And Trump thinks all competitors are enemies. We knew we were competing with China for the past decade or so. It took Trump to turn regular free market capitalism into a cold war.
And, if you think China has colonized Africa and SE Asia, you just ate a big bunch of Trumpian propaganda.
Huawei will be just fine. China wanted to become independent of the West in its technological development by 2024. China can simply stop their people from buying the iPhone and also they can order all iPhone manufacturing in China to be shut down immediately.
After the Coronavirus impact on the economy eases off, there will be an incredible push by the Chinese government to influence (or order) the Chinese consumers to buy domestic products exclusively. Fortunately for China, they can pretty much become economically independent from the West overnight.
The consequences of the Coronavirus epidemic in China will be economic nationalism of never before heard or seen scale. The 2018 boycott of the iPhone by the Chinese consumers will look like a joke compared to what is coming. The Chinese government is pissed at the world for isolating China in these challenging times. China will retaliate once they get a handle on this epidemic.
What’s going for the Chinese brands is a tremendous buying power of the Chinese market and the most robust manufacturing infrastructure in the world. Add the communist ideology and the ability to manipulate consumer sentiment by the government, and you get a powerful cocktail that will allow China to continue to develop without having to rely on the West for the technology or the markets.
Instead of worrying what will happen to Huawei, worry about what will happen to Apple, which has no contingency plan for making its products in the comparable volumes outside of China. Apple also depends heavily on the Chinese market to sell their products. Even though China doesn’t represent the largest share of the Apple’s market, the drop in the China sales of the Apple products will have a profound effect in the Apple’s bottom line and the AAPL share price. Just remember what happened to AAPL at the end of 2018, when Apple’s sales in China dropped by 18%. The AAPL stock lost 40% of its value. Now imagine if the Chinese reduce their purchases of Apple products by 50% or 75%. What will the effect be if the Chinese government shuts down all manufacturing of Apple products in China as a retaliation for the American treatment of Huawei and the imposed isolation of China during the early stages of the Coronavirus epidemic?
Yes, China is planning on making itself independent, but only of Trump's bully tactics and propaganda -- where he suddenly tries to tariff them out of a key market and/or restrict their access to vital services, products and materials.
Otherwise, since Nixon resolved our cold war with them 50 years ago, they have been and plan to continue competing as any other country does in the open and fair international markets. They have no desire to isolate themselves -- that's a Trump thing, not a China thing.
I guess you haven’t heard about the Communist Party goal for China to become technologically independent by 2024.
Like I said the first time:
"Yes, China is planning on making itself independent, but only of Trump's
bully tactics and propaganda -- where he suddenly tries to tariff them
out of a key market and/or restrict their access to vital services,
products and materials.
Otherwise, since Nixon resolved our cold war with them [ended] 50 years ago,
they have been and plan to continue competing as any other country does
in the open and fair international markets. They have no desire to
isolate themselves -- that's a Trump thing, not a China thing."
Latest news from my back channel to a Chinese epidemiologist.
1. 80% of the people over 60 who contract the Coronavirus die.
2. People who contract the Coronavirus could remain asymptomatic for up to four weeks while infecting others. The quarantine should be at least five weeks to know for sure if a person is infected. Fourteen days in quarantine doesn’t prove or disprove conclusively if the person is infected.
This comes directly from an epidemiologist working in the epicenter of the epidemic.
The same epidemiologist said that there are hundreds of thousands, of not millions, of the people already infected in China.
CDC is now saying that they can’t prevent the epidemic in the US. I guess the government will after all be able to solve the social security and Medicare problem. This Coronavirus will wipe out virtually everyone over 60 within the next few years.
Actually, the symptoms and the death rate from Corona Virus and the flu are pretty similar except that millions contract the flu and tens of thousands (mostly elderly and immunocompromised) die from it -- and actually from the same cause: pneumonia.
The main difference seems to be that there is no vaccine for the Corona. But then the flu vaccine is typically only about 50% effective anyway because their predictions of which strains will prevail are seldom very accurate.
"The need to confront China’s rising influence in the world has become one of the few strategic agenda items that Americans and Europeans can agree on, in sharp contrast to wider transatlantic disagreements over defence, trade and multilateralism.
Leaders from Austria and Norway on Friday expressed concerns about China’s rising clout, worries similar to those expressed by US lawmakers at the Munich Security Conference, an annual event that gathers experts from around the world.
But comments from officials at the conference made clear that even though there was general agreement on an overall strategy, the US and Europe continue to disagree on tactics."
Interesting! Russia attacked us in 2016 and again in 2018 and is attacking us again in 2020. But we're worried about China while we invite the Russians into our White House. That's odd. Almost like its a distraction or something.
"The need to confront China’s rising influence in the world has become one of the few strategic agenda items that Americans and Europeans can agree on, in sharp contrast to wider transatlantic disagreements over defence, trade and multilateralism.
Leaders from Austria and Norway on Friday expressed concerns about China’s rising clout, worries similar to those expressed by US lawmakers at the Munich Security Conference, an annual event that gathers experts from around the world.
But comments from officials at the conference made clear that even though there was general agreement on an overall strategy, the US and Europe continue to disagree on tactics."
Interesting! Russia attacked us in 2016 and again in 2018 and is attacking us again in 2020. But we're worried about China while we invite the Russians into our White House. That's odd. Almost like its a distraction or something.
Odd that you can only focus on Trump, not on multiple threats. Heck, even the EU recognizes both Russia and China as threats.
All we have is a government trying to destroy a company because everyone is welcome to play, but America must win!
LOL,
You still have no clue about National Security; nations don't buy critical infrastructure from a potential adversary, and China is certainly past being just potential.
That's what Australia and the U.S. decided, independently I might add, and many of the EU have strong misgivings about Huawei, and China, but are concerned about economic backlash from China if they fully ban insecure systems in there 5G buildouts.
In the meantime, there isn't any technical reason that the EU and the U.S. shouldn't go with Ericsson, Nokia, or Samsung, other than the fact that Huawei can offer lower cost or even financing as they have the complete support of the Chinese Government. But, yeah, I agree that the EU is too fucking stupid to not realize that China is eating their lunch, and needs to reconsider it rules and laws against duopolies, because the WTO isn't going to do shit about State support for Huawei from the Chinese Government.
As you have been reminded several times, there is NO national security issue here.
And even if there were, the U.S should not be trying to call the shots on what other sovereign nations should do.
Considering that the U.S. is, and has been, the acknowledged leader of the Free World since the the end of WWII, has spent a huge sum on supporting the Europeans against Russian aggression for something like 60 years, I think that the U.S. should in fact have a say in the critical infrastructure of its Allies, especially those in the EU that have access to our intelligence.
I'm all for EU sovereignty, but the EU has shown disdain for spending its own money to maintain that sovereignty. Then of course, there is the UK, which once ruled the seas, but can barely put together a carrier task group of either the Queen Elizabeth or the Prince of Wales, but not both. Meanwhile, China's PLAN is building out a blue water navy in an attempt to rival the U.S., and that is certainly a National Security issue for democracies in the South Pacifica, especially Australia and New Zealand, not to mention Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, but also Singapore, the Philippines, Indonesia and India.
Were the U.S. not a superpower, I doubt that China would have any compulsion against throwing its weight around and pushing its authoritarian rule, which they are certainly attempting to do with their weaker trading partners.
Yeah, the U.S. is the superpower that has the Navy, Maries, Army, and Air Force, to support Global trade and secure trade routes, often with support of members of NATO, and other regional power, and China with its Authoritarian bent is attempting to compete with that with its BRI and PLAN Buildout
You seem okay with China's authoritarian expansion, because you get the Huawei toys that you want, but ultimately, it's risky behavior for Nations to do that.
Fun fact;
Chna is bullying Sweden, and Sweden is having nothing of it;
“We treat our friends with fine wine,” said the man in black suit from his armchair, adding, “but for our enemies we got shotguns.” This is not a line from the latest blockbuster gangster movie, but a message from China’s ambassador to Sweden, speaking directly to Swedish public radio.
The above line is only one of several threats Ambassador Gui Congyou has been busy issuing since Swedish PEN announced in early November that kidnapped Swedish publisher Gui Minhai will receive the Tucholsky Prize — an annual award to writers and publicists living under threat or in exile — this year.
A couple of days later, the Chinese embassy branded the nomination as a farce in a statement on its website, demanding that Swedish PEN withdraw the prize or face consequences. That statement was later taken down and replaced with a much longer and more assertive text on November 14, the day before the award ceremony was to be held. Some people, the ambassador commented, “shouldn’t feel at ease” after hurting Chinese interests."
Chinese assholes, in operation.
Really, that sounds quite awful. The U.S. is not the leader of the free world. Shudder the thought! The free world could reasonably ask itself, if it is truly free, why there are permanent members on the U.N Security Council?
The U.S cannot defend the world without the help of others. Maybe you've watched to much Marvel. The U.S needs military bases around the globe to maintain its relevance. It needs the dollar as a reserve currency. It needs to pull the strings on world policy (hence its very own sanctions which it expects to be obeyed). It needs to be at the forefront of technology.
Some of that is under serious threat and rightly so. It doesn't have a God given right to it, but that is how your post reads.
Unable to find the evidence to back up its fabricated accusations on Huawei, it is literally reopening previously settled cases from 20 years ago! That is pure desperation.
Anyhow, we've given our opinions on the political side of this coin, which I admit is difficult to untie from Huawei, but can we get back to the topic of the thread?
Please knock it off, man. You’re just a pathetic Huawei shill, and pretty much the whole board knows that (except for the one person who consistently “Likes” to your silly posts: I am guessing that is @GeorgeBMac ).
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The U.S cannot defend the world without the help of others. Maybe you've watched to much Marvel. The U.S needs military bases around the globe to maintain its relevance. It needs the dollar as a reserve currency. It needs to pull the strings on world policy (hence its very own sanctions which it expects to be obeyed). It needs to be at the forefront of technology.
Some of that is under serious threat and rightly so. It doesn't have a God given right to it, but that is how your post reads.
Unable to find the evidence to back up its fabricated accusations on Huawei, it is literally reopening previously settled cases from 20 years ago! That is pure desperation.
Anyhow, we've given our opinions on the political side of this coin, which I admit is difficult to untie from Huawei, but can we get back to the topic of the thread?
That's easy. The principle victors of WWII got permanent seats; the U.S., Britain, France, China, and Russia, because they were instrumental in setting up the United Nations.
The U.S. became the leader of the Free World simply because all the other participants were rebuilding their countries, and of course, Mainland China was under the power of Mao, and Russia under Stalin, two classic totalitarians. There is no question that the U.S. relies on help from other democracies, so stop being obtuse.
I mean, what the fuck, your Spain didn't even become a constitutional democracy until 1978 for fuck sake, so even if the U.S. doesn't have the "god given right", there isn't any other country that is in a position to lead the free world, and the EU certainly hasn't figured it out.
As for Huawei, both Australia and the U.S. are pissed at Britain for kowtowing to the Chinese and allowing Huawei, but given the collapse of the UK as both a world power and and economy, of course they will choose the path of trying to work both the U.S. and China, and fail at both.
His math is simple: Opponent = destroy. Supporter = Praise.
If you think that China is benign, then that's your opinion, but there is certainly plenty of evidence that China is not. The fact that you blindly support China and Huawei because they are targets of Trump is ludicrous, but being an apologist for China is worse.
Oh, and here's the post, again, about how Australia decided that Huawei was too high a risk;
https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-man-who-stopped-huawei-a-former-spook-speaks-out-20200131-p53wi6.html
Mistaken assumptions
The British decision to involve Huawei was, according to Gilding, based on the mistaken assumption that a country can apply “traditional” defences to stop a cyber attack launched with the help of a company running part or all of a 5G network. Gilding says this underestimates the capability of Chinese state hackers, who he calls “top tier.”
In carrying out Australia's assessment, his own team concluded that if they could coerce a network controller such as Huawei to insert complex code during a system update, they could gain control of parts of a 5G network and never be detected.
“They [the British] think they can manage the risk but we don’t think that is plausible given Huawei would be subject to direction from hostile intelligence services.”
Of course it's just political. /s
Is Speaker Pelosi carrying Trump's water too?
"Nancy Pelosi being quite blunt at #MSC2020, "#China is seeking to export its digital autocracy through its telecommunications giant #Huawei, threatening economic retaliation against those who do not adopt their technologies."
https://www.lawfareblog.com/senior-huawei-official-acknowledges-ability-clandestinely-access-mobile-networks
Nobody believes that Huawei's shoddy code is a reliable base for security...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/huawei-paid-for-cambridge-study-to-launder-reputation-dr2fkbkj0
"Huawei has been accused of “reputation laundering” after it emerged that it funded a Cambridge University college study on global governance reforms in communications and technology.
The Chinese technology giant gave a research grant to the China-UK Global Issues Dialogue Centre at Jesus College, which funded a forum in October for 36 senior people in politics, business and academia. The forum led to a white paper, published online this week, that referred favourably to Huawei.
"This is really a bombshell. Naval University of Engineering in #Wuhan, one of the five comprehensive military universities of PLA (official info: http://bit.ly/2URmJ5x) issued a lockdown notice on Jan. 2, 18 days BEFORE the gov. admitted there was an epidemic, 21 days BEFORE the city was locked down. Did the army know something beforehand that we didn't know?"
Leaders from Austria and Norway on Friday expressed concerns about China’s rising clout, worries similar to those expressed by US lawmakers at the Munich Security Conference, an annual event that gathers experts from around the world.
But comments from officials at the conference made clear that even though there was general agreement on an overall strategy, the US and Europe continue to disagree on tactics."
LOL.. Yes, China has been persuing its own self interest for the past 50 years -- ever since Nixon settled our cold war with them. And they opened up their society to capitalism and basically showed the world how it is done -- which is why American industry moved there from here: They make things better, faster and cheaper.
Interesting!
Russia attacked us in 2016 and again in 2018 and is attacking us again in 2020. But we're worried about China while we invite the Russians into our White House. That's odd. Almost like its a distraction or something.
Trump derangement syndrome.
You’re really getting tiresome.