Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
I think there is a good chance they will do just that. I am hanging on to my iPad Pro 10.5 inch until the 5G version ships.
I too am wondering about this. Despite the time between updates of the iPad Pro - I had expected the update in Sept/Oct this year. Could it be that Apple rushed out an update now for all those who suddenly have to work from home? Maybe (but unlikely). It is suspect that the keyboard will not be ready till May though. As if they were not originally planning to release it that early.
Thoughts of the iPad3 come to mind. I remember the iPad 2 came out, and it felt like an improved though warmed over iPad 1. I knew the retina display would be coming, so gave it a pass. Eventually it did - in the form of the ipad 3 - with it's massive back and larger battery. It was the iPad everyone had been waiting for. Six months later, along came the iPad 4 - thinner, lighter, faster.
I would not be surprised if a new version of the iPad pro comes out later this year with a better CPU.
On another topic - how do you all feel about the price? iPad Pro 12.9 + 512GB upgrade + wifi/cell + keyboard + pencil = ¥220,000 (about $2060). MacBook Air 2020 + i7 1.2Ghz 10th Gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥170,000 (about $1600) Interestingly, Mac Book Pro 13 2019 i7 1.7GHz 8th gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥230,000 (about $2150)
I remember when the iPad was significantly cheaper than a laptop. It's no longer the case (for iPad Pro). It makes it a difficult proposition to sink that much money into a machine that has the limitations of the iPad (and believe me, I do want one - I've been waiting for this update to buy the 12.9 model). The Air config above is likely exactly the same in terms of overall performance to the Mac Book Pro. The Air is not really 'lighter' (something like 80 grams) it is not really smaller (the volume is about the same); the screen is almost as good as the pro, the keyboard is better than the pro (I'm sure a Pro update is in the works), better battery life, though you lose the touchbar. I wonder if $550 is really worth the difference to most people?
(For those that wonder about the CPU difference): The Air i7 1.2GHz option is likely the i7-10510Y (though the turbo boost speed 4.5 single core, 3.2 all cores does not match Apple's 3.8 spec - it's not clear what Apple's spec really means - single core, or all cores, or two cores?) The Pro i7 1.7Ghz option is likely the i7-8557U (passmark 10470) Can't find any benchmarks on the i7-10510Y even though it came out in Aug 2019... odd. The memory bus speed of the Air i7 1.2GHz is lower than the pros, but the generation is 10 vs 8, so the overall performance is likely not too different that it would make any meaningful difference in day to day use (I have no stats to back this up, because I can't find any, it's just a hunch).
It’s been a year and five months since the last one, dubbed the 2018 model, which I have, and am typing on right now. It’s highly unlikely that they will release one later this year. Not Impossible, but highly unlikely. You guys are basing your thinking here solely on the word of Kuo, who is wrong often enough, and particularly so about dates. The time of flight camera was also predicted by him to come out later this fall, and he was wrong there. I’m confident enough so that I ordered one as soon as it was released. I’m curious about the SoC as well, but the Z does ATI on shows that there’s something unusual going on there. Their mention about a new thermal envelope design for the chip also shows something new is going on. In the other article about the release the other day, people were complaining about it still having 5GB of RAM. Now they know they were wrong. Why don’t we wait until it’s actually here before griping about things you don’t know about?
Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
I think there is a good chance they will do just that. I am hanging on to my iPad Pro 10.5 inch until the 5G version ships.
I too am wondering about this. Despite the time between updates of the iPad Pro - I had expected the update in Sept/Oct this year. Could it be that Apple rushed out an update now for all those who suddenly have to work from home? Maybe (but unlikely). It is suspect that the keyboard will not be ready till May though. As if they were not originally planning to release it that early.
Thoughts of the iPad3 come to mind. I remember the iPad 2 came out, and it felt like an improved though warmed over iPad 1. I knew the retina display would be coming, so gave it a pass. Eventually it did - in the form of the ipad 3 - with it's massive back and larger battery. It was the iPad everyone had been waiting for. Six months later, along came the iPad 4 - thinner, lighter, faster.
I would not be surprised if a new version of the iPad pro comes out later this year with a better CPU.
On another topic - how do you all feel about the price? iPad Pro 12.9 + 512GB upgrade + wifi/cell + keyboard + pencil = ¥220,000 (about $2060). MacBook Air 2020 + i7 1.2Ghz 10th Gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥170,000 (about $1600) Interestingly, Mac Book Pro 13 2019 i7 1.7GHz 8th gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥230,000 (about $2150)
I remember when the iPad was significantly cheaper than a laptop. It's no longer the case (for iPad Pro). It makes it a difficult proposition to sink that much money into a machine that has the limitations of the iPad (and believe me, I do want one - I've been waiting for this update to buy the 12.9 model). The Air config above is likely exactly the same in terms of overall performance to the Mac Book Pro. The Air is not really 'lighter' (something like 80 grams) it is not really smaller (the volume is about the same); the screen is almost as good as the pro, the keyboard is better than the pro (I'm sure a Pro update is in the works), better battery life, though you lose the touchbar. I wonder if $550 is really worth the difference to most people?
(For those that wonder about the CPU difference): The Air i7 1.2GHz option is likely the i7-10510Y (though the turbo boost speed 4.5 single core, 3.2 all cores does not match Apple's 3.8 spec - it's not clear what Apple's spec really means - single core, or all cores, or two cores?) The Pro i7 1.7Ghz option is likely the i7-8557U (passmark 10470) Can't find any benchmarks on the i7-10510Y even though it came out in Aug 2019... odd. The memory bus speed of the Air i7 1.2GHz is lower than the pros, but the generation is 10 vs 8, so the overall performance is likely not too different that it would make any meaningful difference in day to day use (I have no stats to back this up, because I can't find any, it's just a hunch).
It’s been a year and five months since the last one, dubbed the 2018 model, which I have, and am typing on right now. It’s highly unlikely that they will release one later this year. Not Impossible, but highly unlikely. You guys are basing your thinking here solely on the word of Kuo, who is wrong often enough, and particularly so about dates. The time of flight camera was also predicted by him to come out later this fall, and he was wrong there. I’m confident enough so that I ordered one as soon as it was released. I’m curious about the SoC as well, but the Z does ATI on shows that there’s something unusual going on there. Their mention about a new thermal envelope design for the chip also shows something new is going on. In the other article about the release the other day, people were complaining about it still having 5GB of RAM. Now they know they were wrong. Why don’t we wait until it’s actually here before griping about things you don’t know about?
Which is exactly the point. Apple seem to be trying to shift people from buying a traditional laptop, to buying an iPad and accessories. I have no doubt the iPad is cheaper to manufacture, and extra accessories all add profit to Apple's bottom line. Considering this, the iPad is quite simply, over priced. The Air is definitely the better buy, by a long shot. It just isn't as cool and hip as all Apple's ads try to tell you the iPad is.
I am confused by what you are suggesting. You are correlating the iPad with the cost of an iPad Pro, which is disingenuous. If you are simply wanting a consumption device, then the iPad or maybe the iPad Air is for you. These are both substantially cheaper than the Pro. For those that want to supplant their current laptop and iPad workflow with one that is just an iPad, like what I have done, then the iPad Pro is the choice. I could either buy a 64 GB iPad Air and the best MacBook Air for 2188 CDN plus tax OR I could buy a 256 GB 12.9 iPad Pro with the pencil and magic keyboard for 2000 CDN plus tax. For me I would rather have just one device for all my needs, then two; saving me 200 dollars. This may not be for everyone, but it is definitely not over priced.
I'm sorry. Very poor writing on my part. I was talking about the iPad Pro, not the iPad. I completely agree with you that in terms of cost an iPad Pro is cheaper than an iPad and a laptop. Makes sense.
Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
I think there is a good chance they will do just that. I am hanging on to my iPad Pro 10.5 inch until the 5G version ships.
I too am wondering about this. Despite the time between updates of the iPad Pro - I had expected the update in Sept/Oct this year. Could it be that Apple rushed out an update now for all those who suddenly have to work from home? Maybe (but unlikely). It is suspect that the keyboard will not be ready till May though. As if they were not originally planning to release it that early.
Thoughts of the iPad3 come to mind. I remember the iPad 2 came out, and it felt like an improved though warmed over iPad 1. I knew the retina display would be coming, so gave it a pass. Eventually it did - in the form of the ipad 3 - with it's massive back and larger battery. It was the iPad everyone had been waiting for. Six months later, along came the iPad 4 - thinner, lighter, faster.
I would not be surprised if a new version of the iPad pro comes out later this year with a better CPU.
On another topic - how do you all feel about the price? iPad Pro 12.9 + 512GB upgrade + wifi/cell + keyboard + pencil = ¥220,000 (about $2060). MacBook Air 2020 + i7 1.2Ghz 10th Gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥170,000 (about $1600) Interestingly, Mac Book Pro 13 2019 i7 1.7GHz 8th gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥230,000 (about $2150)
I remember when the iPad was significantly cheaper than a laptop. It's no longer the case (for iPad Pro). It makes it a difficult proposition to sink that much money into a machine that has the limitations of the iPad (and believe me, I do want one - I've been waiting for this update to buy the 12.9 model). The Air config above is likely exactly the same in terms of overall performance to the Mac Book Pro. The Air is not really 'lighter' (something like 80 grams) it is not really smaller (the volume is about the same); the screen is almost as good as the pro, the keyboard is better than the pro (I'm sure a Pro update is in the works), better battery life, though you lose the touchbar. I wonder if $550 is really worth the difference to most people?
(For those that wonder about the CPU difference): The Air i7 1.2GHz option is likely the i7-10510Y (though the turbo boost speed 4.5 single core, 3.2 all cores does not match Apple's 3.8 spec - it's not clear what Apple's spec really means - single core, or all cores, or two cores?) The Pro i7 1.7Ghz option is likely the i7-8557U (passmark 10470) Can't find any benchmarks on the i7-10510Y even though it came out in Aug 2019... odd. The memory bus speed of the Air i7 1.2GHz is lower than the pros, but the generation is 10 vs 8, so the overall performance is likely not too different that it would make any meaningful difference in day to day use (I have no stats to back this up, because I can't find any, it's just a hunch).
It’s been a year and five months since the last one, dubbed the 2018 model, which I have, and am typing on right now. It’s highly unlikely that they will release one later this year. Not Impossible, but highly unlikely. You guys are basing your thinking here solely on the word of Kuo, who is wrong often enough, and particularly so about dates. The time of flight camera was also predicted by him to come out later this fall, and he was wrong there. I’m confident enough so that I ordered one as soon as it was released. I’m curious about the SoC as well, but the Z does ATI on shows that there’s something unusual going on there. Their mention about a new thermal envelope design for the chip also shows something new is going on. In the other article about the release the other day, people were complaining about it still having 5GB of RAM. Now they know they were wrong. Why don’t we wait until it’s actually here before griping about things you don’t know about?
It takes two years to come out with a new processor. So there’s no way apple rushed this one out the door. If it were the same, other than for slightly increased clocks, possibly you could have some argument for it, but there are major changes. More cores, new thermal management. This was all done well in advance. Everything else you’re saying is just guesswork. We’ll have to see what Anandtech says when they review it,
Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
I think there is a good chance they will do just that. I am hanging on to my iPad Pro 10.5 inch until the 5G version ships.
I too am wondering about this. Despite the time between updates of the iPad Pro - I had expected the update in Sept/Oct this year. Could it be that Apple rushed out an update now for all those who suddenly have to work from home? Maybe (but unlikely). It is suspect that the keyboard will not be ready till May though. As if they were not originally planning to release it that early.
Thoughts of the iPad3 come to mind. I remember the iPad 2 came out, and it felt like an improved though warmed over iPad 1. I knew the retina display would be coming, so gave it a pass. Eventually it did - in the form of the ipad 3 - with it's massive back and larger battery. It was the iPad everyone had been waiting for. Six months later, along came the iPad 4 - thinner, lighter, faster.
I would not be surprised if a new version of the iPad pro comes out later this year with a better CPU.
On another topic - how do you all feel about the price? iPad Pro 12.9 + 512GB upgrade + wifi/cell + keyboard + pencil = ¥220,000 (about $2060). MacBook Air 2020 + i7 1.2Ghz 10th Gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥170,000 (about $1600) Interestingly, Mac Book Pro 13 2019 i7 1.7GHz 8th gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥230,000 (about $2150)
I remember when the iPad was significantly cheaper than a laptop. It's no longer the case (for iPad Pro). It makes it a difficult proposition to sink that much money into a machine that has the limitations of the iPad (and believe me, I do want one - I've been waiting for this update to buy the 12.9 model). The Air config above is likely exactly the same in terms of overall performance to the Mac Book Pro. The Air is not really 'lighter' (something like 80 grams) it is not really smaller (the volume is about the same); the screen is almost as good as the pro, the keyboard is better than the pro (I'm sure a Pro update is in the works), better battery life, though you lose the touchbar. I wonder if $550 is really worth the difference to most people?
(For those that wonder about the CPU difference): The Air i7 1.2GHz option is likely the i7-10510Y (though the turbo boost speed 4.5 single core, 3.2 all cores does not match Apple's 3.8 spec - it's not clear what Apple's spec really means - single core, or all cores, or two cores?) The Pro i7 1.7Ghz option is likely the i7-8557U (passmark 10470) Can't find any benchmarks on the i7-10510Y even though it came out in Aug 2019... odd. The memory bus speed of the Air i7 1.2GHz is lower than the pros, but the generation is 10 vs 8, so the overall performance is likely not too different that it would make any meaningful difference in day to day use (I have no stats to back this up, because I can't find any, it's just a hunch).
It’s been a year and five months since the last one, dubbed the 2018 model, which I have, and am typing on right now. It’s highly unlikely that they will release one later this year. Not Impossible, but highly unlikely. You guys are basing your thinking here solely on the word of Kuo, who is wrong often enough, and particularly so about dates. The time of flight camera was also predicted by him to come out later this fall, and he was wrong there. I’m confident enough so that I ordered one as soon as it was released. I’m curious about the SoC as well, but the Z does ATI on shows that there’s something unusual going on there. Their mention about a new thermal envelope design for the chip also shows something new is going on. In the other article about the release the other day, people were complaining about it still having 5GB of RAM. Now they know they were wrong. Why don’t we wait until it’s actually here before griping about things you don’t know about?
It takes two years to come out with a new processor. So there’s no way apple rushed this one out the door. If it were the same, other than for slightly increased clocks, possibly you could have some argument for it, but there are major changes. More cores, new thermal management. This was all done well in advance. Everything else you’re saying is just guesswork. We’ll have to see what Anandtech says when they review it,
I'm not sure how long they take to develop new processors. It might even be three years or more. Certainly different parts of the processor will be done by different teams, for different amounts of time. I hear you though. It's unlikely they would be rushing things out the door last minute. I just cannot shake the feeling though that something's up.
As for major changes, I don't think there have been major changes other than a minor manufacture process improvement and the enabling of a GPU core that was always there but disabled. As you say though, we'll have to wait for Anandtech (and others) to work out what improvements Apple actually made. Thanks Melgross. A good weekend to you!
Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
I think there is a good chance they will do just that. I am hanging on to my iPad Pro 10.5 inch until the 5G version ships.
I too am wondering about this. Despite the time between updates of the iPad Pro - I had expected the update in Sept/Oct this year. Could it be that Apple rushed out an update now for all those who suddenly have to work from home? Maybe (but unlikely). It is suspect that the keyboard will not be ready till May though. As if they were not originally planning to release it that early.
Thoughts of the iPad3 come to mind. I remember the iPad 2 came out, and it felt like an improved though warmed over iPad 1. I knew the retina display would be coming, so gave it a pass. Eventually it did - in the form of the ipad 3 - with it's massive back and larger battery. It was the iPad everyone had been waiting for. Six months later, along came the iPad 4 - thinner, lighter, faster.
I would not be surprised if a new version of the iPad pro comes out later this year with a better CPU.
On another topic - how do you all feel about the price? iPad Pro 12.9 + 512GB upgrade + wifi/cell + keyboard + pencil = ¥220,000 (about $2060). MacBook Air 2020 + i7 1.2Ghz 10th Gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥170,000 (about $1600) Interestingly, Mac Book Pro 13 2019 i7 1.7GHz 8th gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥230,000 (about $2150)
I remember when the iPad was significantly cheaper than a laptop. It's no longer the case (for iPad Pro). It makes it a difficult proposition to sink that much money into a machine that has the limitations of the iPad (and believe me, I do want one - I've been waiting for this update to buy the 12.9 model). The Air config above is likely exactly the same in terms of overall performance to the Mac Book Pro. The Air is not really 'lighter' (something like 80 grams) it is not really smaller (the volume is about the same); the screen is almost as good as the pro, the keyboard is better than the pro (I'm sure a Pro update is in the works), better battery life, though you lose the touchbar. I wonder if $550 is really worth the difference to most people?
(For those that wonder about the CPU difference): The Air i7 1.2GHz option is likely the i7-10510Y (though the turbo boost speed 4.5 single core, 3.2 all cores does not match Apple's 3.8 spec - it's not clear what Apple's spec really means - single core, or all cores, or two cores?) The Pro i7 1.7Ghz option is likely the i7-8557U (passmark 10470) Can't find any benchmarks on the i7-10510Y even though it came out in Aug 2019... odd. The memory bus speed of the Air i7 1.2GHz is lower than the pros, but the generation is 10 vs 8, so the overall performance is likely not too different that it would make any meaningful difference in day to day use (I have no stats to back this up, because I can't find any, it's just a hunch).
It’s been a year and five months since the last one, dubbed the 2018 model, which I have, and am typing on right now. It’s highly unlikely that they will release one later this year. Not Impossible, but highly unlikely. You guys are basing your thinking here solely on the word of Kuo, who is wrong often enough, and particularly so about dates. The time of flight camera was also predicted by him to come out later this fall, and he was wrong there. I’m confident enough so that I ordered one as soon as it was released. I’m curious about the SoC as well, but the Z does ATI on shows that there’s something unusual going on there. Their mention about a new thermal envelope design for the chip also shows something new is going on. In the other article about the release the other day, people were complaining about it still having 5GB of RAM. Now they know they were wrong. Why don’t we wait until it’s actually here before griping about things you don’t know about?
It takes two years to come out with a new processor. So there’s no way apple rushed this one out the door. If it were the same, other than for slightly increased clocks, possibly you could have some argument for it, but there are major changes. More cores, new thermal management. This was all done well in advance. Everything else you’re saying is just guesswork. We’ll have to see what Anandtech says when they review it,
I'm not sure how long they take to develop new processors. It might even be three years or more. Certainly different parts of the processor will be done by different teams, for different amounts of time. I hear you though. It's unlikely they would be rushing things out the door last minute. I just cannot shake the feeling though that something's up.
As for major changes, I don't think there have been major changes other than a minor manufacture process improvement and the enabling of a GPU core that was always there but disabled. As you say though, we'll have to wait for Anandtech (and others) to work out what improvements Apple actually made. Thanks Melgross. A good weekend to you!
I don’t know why you would thing the extra core was always there, when photos of the chip clearly show 7 cores.
Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
I think there is a good chance they will do just that. I am hanging on to my iPad Pro 10.5 inch until the 5G version ships.
I too am wondering about this. Despite the time between updates of the iPad Pro - I had expected the update in Sept/Oct this year. Could it be that Apple rushed out an update now for all those who suddenly have to work from home? Maybe (but unlikely). It is suspect that the keyboard will not be ready till May though. As if they were not originally planning to release it that early.
Thoughts of the iPad3 come to mind. I remember the iPad 2 came out, and it felt like an improved though warmed over iPad 1. I knew the retina display would be coming, so gave it a pass. Eventually it did - in the form of the ipad 3 - with it's massive back and larger battery. It was the iPad everyone had been waiting for. Six months later, along came the iPad 4 - thinner, lighter, faster.
I would not be surprised if a new version of the iPad pro comes out later this year with a better CPU.
On another topic - how do you all feel about the price? iPad Pro 12.9 + 512GB upgrade + wifi/cell + keyboard + pencil = ¥220,000 (about $2060). MacBook Air 2020 + i7 1.2Ghz 10th Gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥170,000 (about $1600) Interestingly, Mac Book Pro 13 2019 i7 1.7GHz 8th gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥230,000 (about $2150)
I remember when the iPad was significantly cheaper than a laptop. It's no longer the case (for iPad Pro). It makes it a difficult proposition to sink that much money into a machine that has the limitations of the iPad (and believe me, I do want one - I've been waiting for this update to buy the 12.9 model). The Air config above is likely exactly the same in terms of overall performance to the Mac Book Pro. The Air is not really 'lighter' (something like 80 grams) it is not really smaller (the volume is about the same); the screen is almost as good as the pro, the keyboard is better than the pro (I'm sure a Pro update is in the works), better battery life, though you lose the touchbar. I wonder if $550 is really worth the difference to most people?
(For those that wonder about the CPU difference): The Air i7 1.2GHz option is likely the i7-10510Y (though the turbo boost speed 4.5 single core, 3.2 all cores does not match Apple's 3.8 spec - it's not clear what Apple's spec really means - single core, or all cores, or two cores?) The Pro i7 1.7Ghz option is likely the i7-8557U (passmark 10470) Can't find any benchmarks on the i7-10510Y even though it came out in Aug 2019... odd. The memory bus speed of the Air i7 1.2GHz is lower than the pros, but the generation is 10 vs 8, so the overall performance is likely not too different that it would make any meaningful difference in day to day use (I have no stats to back this up, because I can't find any, it's just a hunch).
It’s been a year and five months since the last one, dubbed the 2018 model, which I have, and am typing on right now. It’s highly unlikely that they will release one later this year. Not Impossible, but highly unlikely. You guys are basing your thinking here solely on the word of Kuo, who is wrong often enough, and particularly so about dates. The time of flight camera was also predicted by him to come out later this fall, and he was wrong there. I’m confident enough so that I ordered one as soon as it was released. I’m curious about the SoC as well, but the Z does ATI on shows that there’s something unusual going on there. Their mention about a new thermal envelope design for the chip also shows something new is going on. In the other article about the release the other day, people were complaining about it still having 5GB of RAM. Now they know they were wrong. Why don’t we wait until it’s actually here before griping about things you don’t know about?
It takes two years to come out with a new processor. So there’s no way apple rushed this one out the door. If it were the same, other than for slightly increased clocks, possibly you could have some argument for it, but there are major changes. More cores, new thermal management. This was all done well in advance. Everything else you’re saying is just guesswork. We’ll have to see what Anandtech says when they review it,
I'm not sure how long they take to develop new processors. It might even be three years or more. Certainly different parts of the processor will be done by different teams, for different amounts of time. I hear you though. It's unlikely they would be rushing things out the door last minute. I just cannot shake the feeling though that something's up.
As for major changes, I don't think there have been major changes other than a minor manufacture process improvement and the enabling of a GPU core that was always there but disabled. As you say though, we'll have to wait for Anandtech (and others) to work out what improvements Apple actually made. Thanks Melgross. A good weekend to you!
I don’t know why you would thing the extra core was always there, when photos of the chip clearly show 7 cores.
I had read someone's comment somewhere weeks back. It struck a chord at the time, but looking back now I can find no proof whatsoever that there were ever more than 7 GPU cores physically present on the SoC.
That said, I can't find an x-ray image of the A12X die either - not even one. There are plenty of graphic based images of the A12X (released by Apple) but not one x-ray (while there are many of the A12).
The comment got me thinking, and I convinced myself that perhaps sometimes there were defects in the manufacture process in the beginning and having eight cores would allow them (TSMC) to disable one and usually (if not always) have 7 working. This is common in AMD / Intel CPU manufacture, and keeps the yield up (which I'm sure you are familiar with).
Thinking about this more now though - given the cost of space on the SoC it seems unlikely they would do this. I don't know how good TSMCs yield rate is, but perhaps defect rates are very low that they would not do this.
Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
Well that's good to hear since I already ordered mine!
The only thing that my 9.7 inch iPad Pro needed really was more RAM. Part of me is bummed about the lack of A13, but if I remember from the presentation the A13 was really geared more toward power efficiency for phones they didn't get a massive performance boost out of it.
I'm just really hoping this doesn't turn out to be some BS update where they release another one in the fall with an A14X that blows this one out of the water.
I think there is a good chance they will do just that. I am hanging on to my iPad Pro 10.5 inch until the 5G version ships.
I too am wondering about this. Despite the time between updates of the iPad Pro - I had expected the update in Sept/Oct this year. Could it be that Apple rushed out an update now for all those who suddenly have to work from home? Maybe (but unlikely). It is suspect that the keyboard will not be ready till May though. As if they were not originally planning to release it that early.
Thoughts of the iPad3 come to mind. I remember the iPad 2 came out, and it felt like an improved though warmed over iPad 1. I knew the retina display would be coming, so gave it a pass. Eventually it did - in the form of the ipad 3 - with it's massive back and larger battery. It was the iPad everyone had been waiting for. Six months later, along came the iPad 4 - thinner, lighter, faster.
I would not be surprised if a new version of the iPad pro comes out later this year with a better CPU.
On another topic - how do you all feel about the price? iPad Pro 12.9 + 512GB upgrade + wifi/cell + keyboard + pencil = ¥220,000 (about $2060). MacBook Air 2020 + i7 1.2Ghz 10th Gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥170,000 (about $1600) Interestingly, Mac Book Pro 13 2019 i7 1.7GHz 8th gen + 512GB + 16GB = ¥230,000 (about $2150)
I remember when the iPad was significantly cheaper than a laptop. It's no longer the case (for iPad Pro). It makes it a difficult proposition to sink that much money into a machine that has the limitations of the iPad (and believe me, I do want one - I've been waiting for this update to buy the 12.9 model). The Air config above is likely exactly the same in terms of overall performance to the Mac Book Pro. The Air is not really 'lighter' (something like 80 grams) it is not really smaller (the volume is about the same); the screen is almost as good as the pro, the keyboard is better than the pro (I'm sure a Pro update is in the works), better battery life, though you lose the touchbar. I wonder if $550 is really worth the difference to most people?
(For those that wonder about the CPU difference): The Air i7 1.2GHz option is likely the i7-10510Y (though the turbo boost speed 4.5 single core, 3.2 all cores does not match Apple's 3.8 spec - it's not clear what Apple's spec really means - single core, or all cores, or two cores?) The Pro i7 1.7Ghz option is likely the i7-8557U (passmark 10470) Can't find any benchmarks on the i7-10510Y even though it came out in Aug 2019... odd. The memory bus speed of the Air i7 1.2GHz is lower than the pros, but the generation is 10 vs 8, so the overall performance is likely not too different that it would make any meaningful difference in day to day use (I have no stats to back this up, because I can't find any, it's just a hunch).
It’s been a year and five months since the last one, dubbed the 2018 model, which I have, and am typing on right now. It’s highly unlikely that they will release one later this year. Not Impossible, but highly unlikely. You guys are basing your thinking here solely on the word of Kuo, who is wrong often enough, and particularly so about dates. The time of flight camera was also predicted by him to come out later this fall, and he was wrong there. I’m confident enough so that I ordered one as soon as it was released. I’m curious about the SoC as well, but the Z does ATI on shows that there’s something unusual going on there. Their mention about a new thermal envelope design for the chip also shows something new is going on. In the other article about the release the other day, people were complaining about it still having 5GB of RAM. Now they know they were wrong. Why don’t we wait until it’s actually here before griping about things you don’t know about?
It takes two years to come out with a new processor. So there’s no way apple rushed this one out the door. If it were the same, other than for slightly increased clocks, possibly you could have some argument for it, but there are major changes. More cores, new thermal management. This was all done well in advance. Everything else you’re saying is just guesswork. We’ll have to see what Anandtech says when they review it,
I'm not sure how long they take to develop new processors. It might even be three years or more. Certainly different parts of the processor will be done by different teams, for different amounts of time. I hear you though. It's unlikely they would be rushing things out the door last minute. I just cannot shake the feeling though that something's up.
As for major changes, I don't think there have been major changes other than a minor manufacture process improvement and the enabling of a GPU core that was always there but disabled. As you say though, we'll have to wait for Anandtech (and others) to work out what improvements Apple actually made. Thanks Melgross. A good weekend to you!
I don’t know why you would thing the extra core was always there, when photos of the chip clearly show 7 cores.
I had read someone's comment somewhere weeks back. It struck a chord at the time, but looking back now I can find no proof whatsoever that there were ever more than 7 GPU cores physically present on the SoC.
That said, I can't find an x-ray image of the A12X die either - not even one. There are plenty of graphic based images of the A12X (released by Apple) but not one x-ray (while there are many of the A12).
The comment got me thinking, and I convinced myself that perhaps sometimes there were defects in the manufacture process in the beginning and having eight cores would allow them (TSMC) to disable one and usually (if not always) have 7 working. This is common in AMD / Intel CPU manufacture, and keeps the yield up (which I'm sure you are familiar with).
Thinking about this more now though - given the cost of space on the SoC it seems unlikely they would do this. I don't know how good TSMCs yield rate is, but perhaps defect rates are very low that they would not do this.
Thanks for your comment.
It’s out there. I seem to remember Anandtech show one in an article.
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They said this several years ago too. It’s nothing new.
However, while we have all heard what Kuo thought, I actually expected the release in June (it fits with the cadence of their AX releases), and is/was good timing for the Olympics. The keyboard has clearly been in the works over two years (the 2018 Pro had connections moved for it) and the earliest they can get it out is May. Now maybe that's a result of the Coronavirus, but maybe, just maybe, they were going to release that in June too... which is why they couldn't get it out in time for the sudden March release.
This leads me to think that the A12Z SoC is not what Apple were originally intending to use. Every new Pro release has been at least 30% faster - and Apple talk about it every time, just not this time. The the increase in speed whilst there, is likely not as significant as it usually is. If the A12Z is in fact an A12X with all GPU cores enabled (from 7 to 8) on TSMC's 7NP process (7% faster, or 10% less power requirements than the 7N process the A12X was on). The thermal envelope might simply be TSMC's better process. Apple also apparently 'tuned performance controllers' (I think that means when and where parts of the chip are shut down to reduce power load and heat, other parts can be clocked higher and the extra heat they produce doing that balances out? Not sure.)
I really do think there is an A13X in the works, and I think Apple realised with the testing production problems resulting from the virus that they could not get it ready by June. Rather than miss a sales opportunity of the Olympics (as it was) it made sense to take an existing chip and use a new process to make the A12Z instead. Thinking of the Olympics, I have no doubt that journalists would be very happy with the new Pro and that keyboard - I'm sure they are a target for Apple.
At the end of the day, it's going to be a good improvement, no doubt, but I just have that sneaky suspicion it is not quite as big a jump as we were all hoping. Regardless, I'm sure it's a fantastic machine - and I do want one.
We'll have to wait for it arrive and see some bench marks done on it before we'll really know.
PS Sorry, I have tried to edit this a few times. I don't know why it is creating a link across the entire text.
I completely agree with you that in terms of cost an iPad Pro is cheaper than an iPad and a laptop. Makes sense.
I hear you though. It's unlikely they would be rushing things out the door last minute. I just cannot shake the feeling though that something's up.
As for major changes, I don't think there have been major changes other than a minor manufacture process improvement and the enabling of a GPU core that was always there but disabled. As you say though, we'll have to wait for Anandtech (and others) to work out what improvements Apple actually made. Thanks Melgross. A good weekend to you!
That said, I can't find an x-ray image of the A12X die either - not even one. There are plenty of graphic based images of the A12X (released by Apple) but not one x-ray (while there are many of the A12).
The comment got me thinking, and I convinced myself that perhaps sometimes there were defects in the manufacture process in the beginning and having eight cores would allow them (TSMC) to disable one and usually (if not always) have 7 working. This is common in AMD / Intel CPU manufacture, and keeps the yield up (which I'm sure you are familiar with).
Thinking about this more now though - given the cost of space on the SoC it seems unlikely they would do this. I don't know how good TSMCs yield rate is, but perhaps defect rates are very low that they would not do this.
Thanks for your comment.