Radar in future HomePods could ID users, monitor some health parameters

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in General Discussion edited November 2020
Apple devices including HomePod may get the ability to detect the nearby location of a user, act on their gestures, and determine which user it is -- plus use this information to make health assessments.

Apple is looking at including radar transceivers in many devices, such as the HomePod
Apple is looking at including radar transceivers in many devices, such as the HomePod


A new patent application from Apple describes how future devices could employ radar to locate nearby users, or their devices. In conjunction with other tools such as voice, the radar-equipped devices could reconfigure themselves to a user's preferences. HomePod, for example, could use this to distinguish which user in a family is speaking to it, and so offer the correct Apple Music subscription.

"Electronic Device with Co-Located Independent Radar Transceivers" takes pains to describe any number of different devices that could have radar added, including iPhones, iPads, Macs, and Internet of Things devices. But it is particularly concerned with addressing a problem that occurs with voice commands, such as using Siri on HomePod.

"Accurately identifying a user of a voice user interface can be challenging," notes the patent, "which may make it more difficult to accurately customize a voice user interface to the preferences and needs of a particular user."

The overall aim is to have a system that requires "little or no advanced knowledge by a user or training for proper operation." Apple wants the user interface to tailor itself automatically "to a user's preferences and their mental model of a task."

So a device can adapt to different users and their preferences, but the device needs to be be sure which person is currently using it. With this proposed solution, the device gets at least one radar transmitter and one radar receiver. It uses these to determine what is in the vicinity of the device and where, quite precisely, everything is.

That will include other devices, so this could facilitate the ability for an iPhone, say, to locate a nearby iPad and send data to it. But it will also be looking for individuals.

"Moreover, the electronic device may identify the individual based at least in part on the radar measurements," continues the patent. "Identifying the individual can include determining a specific identity of the individual or an identifying attribute or characteristic of the individual."

Devices would intentionally limit the range they would use radar to scan for people and other objects
Devices would intentionally limit the range they would use radar to scan for people and other objects


"[The device may detect] one or more dimensions of the environment," continues the patent. "[This may] include an acoustic property of the object in the environment or an acoustic property of the environment. For example... [it] may access a look-up table, stored in memory, with acoustic properties of different materials and/or objects as a function of radar measurements."

The majority of the patent is concerned with identifying a user and also his or her surroundings. Detecting details of the environment could help with adjusting audio playback, and it could help with the accuracy of radar measurements.

As well as determining how near or far a user is, a radar-equipped device could assess different details about that person. "Furthermore, based at least in part on the radar measurements, the electronic device may determine a vital sign and/or a medical condition of the individual," says the patent.

These health aspects could be extensive. In the patent's example uses, it lists multiple types of vital signs that a device could scan for remotely. "[For instance, it] may determine a vital sign of the individual (such as a pulse, a blood pressure, or a respiration rate of the individual) and/or a medical condition of the individual (such as a medical emergency, a disease, a physical symptom, such as a tremor, a physical condition, e.g., dementia based at least in part on a gait of the individual, etc.)."

The patent is credited to three inventors, Mikheil Tsiklauri, Jouya Jadidian, and Vaneet Pathak. Between them, their prior patents include ones on "wireless power transfer," and "Electronic devices having interconnect radiation mitigation capabilities."

Separately, a previous patent application suggests that Apple is also looking to use small and inobtrusive radar systems for its self-driving car.

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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 13
    BeatsBeats Posts: 3,073member
    HomePod as a health device?! I've wanted the HomePod to be a little more but this is crazy in a good way.

    Fix Siri and add acoustic awareness and these will be killer home theatre speakers.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 13
    I’ll let others be the beta testers of these smart devices.  Perhaps I’m just paranoid but the potential for abuse is high.

    This week we saw Israel deploy tracking of individuals using their cell phones, and monitoring people that may have come in contact with infected.  Once a government has been authorized to spy on its own people it’s difficult to backtrack.  I can see Israel (etc) keeping this power to monitor those that may have come in contact with “dissidents”.

    It the US there’s already been warrants issued by analyzing geolocation data...

    As for the technology itself, it could be very useful in reporting emergencies.  For example, if I grab my chest and fall to the ground, the smart device could ask for a response, and if not forthcoming send alerts to family, request an ambulance, etc.

    Maybe when I turn 65+ the benefits will out-way the risks... but for the next 2 decades, no thanks.
    dewmeDoodpantsredraider11
  • Reply 3 of 13
    BeatsBeats Posts: 3,073member
    I’ll let others be the beta testers of these smart devices.  Perhaps I’m just paranoid but the potential for abuse is high.

    This week we saw Israel deploy tracking of individuals using their cell phones, and monitoring people that may have come in contact with infected.  Once a government has been authorized to spy on its own people it’s difficult to backtrack.  I can see Israel (etc) keeping this power to monitor those that may have come in contact with “dissidents”.

    It the US there’s already been warrants issued by analyzing geolocation data...

    As for the technology itself, it could be very useful in reporting emergencies.  For example, if I grab my chest and fall to the ground, the smart device could ask for a response, and if not forthcoming send alerts to family, request an ambulance, etc.

    Maybe when I turn 65+ the benefits will out-way the risks... but for the next 2 decades, no thanks.

    It's Apple not Amazon. 
    StrangeDayscornchipwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 13
    Big 'Homepod' Brother is watching you!
    Then we'll see...

    "I'm sorry Dave, I can't allow that. You have played you quota of Heavy Metal for the week. How about some soothing lullaby's?"

    Just another reason NOT to want to buy any of this IoT tat no matter who makes it.
  • Reply 5 of 13
    Beats said:
    I’ll let others be the beta testers of these smart devices.  Perhaps I’m just paranoid but the potential for abuse is high.

    This week we saw Israel deploy tracking of individuals using their cell phones, and monitoring people that may have come in contact with infected.  Once a government has been authorized to spy on its own people it’s difficult to backtrack.  I can see Israel (etc) keeping this power to monitor those that may have come in contact with “dissidents”.

    It the US there’s already been warrants issued by analyzing geolocation data...

    As for the technology itself, it could be very useful in reporting emergencies.  For example, if I grab my chest and fall to the ground, the smart device could ask for a response, and if not forthcoming send alerts to family, request an ambulance, etc.

    Maybe when I turn 65+ the benefits will out-way the risks... but for the next 2 decades, no thanks.

    It's Apple not Amazon. 
    If it’s a court order or law, it doesn’t matter who it is.  Apple most likely won’t share your data with advertisers without your permission.  

    Apple will fight against government stupidity, but they will comply with a lawful request.
    cornchip
  • Reply 6 of 13
    seanismorrisseanismorris Posts: 1,624member
    Big 'Homepod' Brother is watching you!
    Then we'll see...

    "I'm sorry Dave, I can't allow that. You have played you quota of Heavy Metal for the week. How about some soothing lullaby's?"

    Just another reason NOT to want to buy any of this IoT tat no matter who makes it.
    How long will it be before, after using the bathroom, you answer the door and find you’ve been auto shipped vitamins, fiber supplements, laxatives, and a card to let you know you now have a colonoscopy scheduled for Wednesday.

    Will you say “thanks Siri” in a sarcastic voice?

    “You’re welcome Dave.”
    edited March 2020
  • Reply 7 of 13
    I’ll let others be the beta testers of these smart devices.  Perhaps I’m just paranoid but the potential for abuse is high.

    This week we saw Israel deploy tracking of individuals using their cell phones, and monitoring people that may have come in contact with infected.  Once a government has been authorized to spy on its own people it’s difficult to backtrack.  I can see Israel (etc) keeping this power to monitor those that may have come in contact with “dissidents”.

    It the US there’s already been warrants issued by analyzing geolocation data...

    As for the technology itself, it could be very useful in reporting emergencies.  For example, if I grab my chest and fall to the ground, the smart device could ask for a response, and if not forthcoming send alerts to family, request an ambulance, etc.

    Maybe when I turn 65+ the benefits will out-way the risks... but for the next 2 decades, no thanks.
    I’m a little confused by your post. This article is about having radar identify users by devices the user owns and potential identifying health risks to said user. Your post starts off saying the potential for abuse is high and mentions tracking cell phones. How are you tying the two together?

    Then in your second post you mention that Apple will comply with a lawful request. What lawful requests are you worried about concerning a HomePod (for example) identifying you as a user and maybe noticing health risks?
    StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 13
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,746member
    Solving the kinds of problems that Apple is describing using radar technology would be several orders of magnitude easier if people would simply allow themselves to be “chipped” with embedded radar transponders. The obvious question is - who the hell would ever allow this to occur? Perhaps in the future people will not have a choice or being chipped will incur some benefits, like lower health insurance premiums or a deep feeling of patriotism. In the meantime there’s no reason why all of your valuable possessions that can accommodate a transponder, like your dog, phone, car, motorcycle, 48 roll pack of toilet paper, etc., could not be chipped. If the “chip” is equipped with health related sensors it could easily relay all kinds of health related information about its host to nearby receivers including gateways that are linked to your health care provider. Of course there would be all kinds of opportunities for law enforcement, Amazon, your cable company, etc., to harvest information about your physical condition, location, or whatever else you decide to share with them. I do have to admit that the notion of having a radar based IFF system that applies to the population of fellow humans sounds rather appealing and brings new meaning to “friending me” on social media. Yeah, it sounds kind of dystopian, but it’s just a matter of time - all kidding aside. Echoes of “Remember the Pandemic of 2020” may serve as motivation to get chipped. 
  • Reply 9 of 13
    I appreciate the effort and on some level think it's really cool - however, users need to have the ability to disable 100% of these functionalities...no background "listening", no passive enabling or the like. While these types of functionalities are helpful and there are people who can massively benefit from them they have to be 100% user initiated.
  • Reply 10 of 13
    macguimacgui Posts: 2,469member
    It's been a long time since I've seen so much cluelessness and baseless whining in a thread.

    NinjaMan said:
    users need to have the ability to disable 100% of these functionalities...no background "listening", no passive enabling or the like.
    Users need to use common sense and buy plain old dumb speakers instead of paying for tech you don't want to use.  Take the money saved and stockpile tinfoil hats.

    I’ll let others be the beta testers of these smart devices.  Perhaps I’m just paranoid but the potential for abuse is high.

    This week we saw Israel deploy tracking of individuals using their cell phones, and monitoring people that may have come in contact with infected.  Once a government has been authorized to spy on its own people it’s difficult to backtrack.  I can see Israel (etc) keeping this power to monitor those that may have come in contact with “dissidents”.

    It the US there’s already been warrants issued by analyzing geolocation data...

    As for the technology itself, it could be very useful in reporting emergencies.  For example, if I grab my chest and fall to the ground, the smart device could ask for a response, and if not forthcoming send alerts to family, request an ambulance, etc.

    Maybe when I turn 65+ the benefits will out-way the risks... but for the next 2 decades, no thanks.
    I’m a little confused by your post. 
    I'm confused by every post in this thread except yours.  I'm investing in some Reynolds stock.
    jony0StrangeDays
  • Reply 11 of 13
    macguimacgui Posts: 2,469member
    I hope this latest Apple patent isn't code for "We're not doing another damn thing with the current HomePod. You're on your own."

    It's fallen far short of my expectations, not so much what it would do when shipped, which wasn't all that much, but that Apple has failed to improve it in any measurable degree, and give it and the user some degree of improved functionality and control.

    All along I've complained it doesn't have a balanced frequency response. It has too much bass, little midrange and treble. There are a lot of people who prefer that type of sound but I don't.

    Apple programmed a response map for the HomePod and it's electronics strive to preserve in different rooms or changing configurations, what Apple thought was best. I'd like the ability to change that map to my preference– a sound curve that's much closer to flat.

    The HomePod is the first Apple product I've owned that's been a major disappointment. Compared to decent speakers it's lacking, and Siri on it is a joke. But it looks like Apple has moved on and left the currents HomePod on the side of the road.
  • Reply 12 of 13
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 13,101member
    NinjaMan said:
    I appreciate the effort and on some level think it's really cool - however, users need to have the ability to disable 100% of these functionalities...no background "listening", no passive enabling or the like. While these types of functionalities are helpful and there are people who can massively benefit from them they have to be 100% user initiated.
    Why on earth would you believe such a future feature couldn’t be disabled? 
  • Reply 13 of 13
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,180member
    macgui said:
    I hope this latest Apple patent isn't code for "We're not doing another damn thing with the current HomePod. You're on your own."

    It's fallen far short of my expectations, not so much what it would do when shipped, which wasn't all that much, but that Apple has failed to improve it in any measurable degree, and give it and the user some degree of improved functionality and control.

    All along I've complained it doesn't have a balanced frequency response. It has too much bass, little midrange and treble. There are a lot of people who prefer that type of sound but I don't.

    Apple programmed a response map for the HomePod and it's electronics strive to preserve in different rooms or changing configurations, what Apple thought was best. I'd like the ability to change that map to my preference– a sound curve that's much closer to flat.

    The HomePod is the first Apple product I've owned that's been a major disappointment. Compared to decent speakers it's lacking, and Siri on it is a joke. But it looks like Apple has moved on and left the currents HomePod on the side of the road.
    Well, that’s just silly. Apple is constantly developing and patenting concepts for use in future devices. The kids call it “innovation.”  The existence of those patents is not an indication that existing models have been ‘abandoned.’ In fact, it’s with iOS that Apple introduced the whole idea of regular, free OS updates that add new features to existing hardware. 

    It’s not that long ago that the industry standard was to issue security patches for free, but significant OS upgrades cost money. That’s really just for computers, too. I’m hard pressed to think of any consumer electronics devices (other than computers) from more than about ten years ago that had any means to update firmware, much less add improvements and new features. 


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