Apple will pay idle commuter bus drivers through May 4, union concerned payments will stop...

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Tech bus drivers worry that companies like Apple, Google, and Facebook will begin to cut pay as tech company employees continue to work from home.

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Before the COVID-19 pandemic forced many companies to send tech workers off-site, tech shuttle drivers were an integral part of Silicon Valley's major tech companies. These shuttles were responsible for picking up employees and driving them to-and-from work each day.

Now, Silicon Valley's bus drivers aren't operating the 1,000-strong fleet of tech shuttles as most tech companies have mandated that employees work from home. It's likely that the tech shuttles -- as well as their drivers -- will not return to the road for some time.

Most tech companies, including Apple and Google, have agreed to cover 100% of the compensation that the drivers would receive had they been working full-time through April. Tesla is one company who has not, and has outright refused to cover any of their drivers' pay.

However, as the pandemic heads into May, drivers fear that their income may dry up. The situation is made worse as the drivers are nearly always contracted workers. These drivers are work through companies like WeDriveU and Hallcon, which prevents them from directly talking to the tech giants they drive for. Instead, they have to hope their contracting company can negotiate a deal on their behalf.

Many of these drivers are unionized, requiring their union to deal with both their driving company and companies like Apple. Teamsters Union, for example, represents drivers from Apple, Amazon, Twitter, and Facebook.

"The company we've had the most trouble with is Apple," Stacy Murphy, business representative for the Teamsters 853 division, told Business Insider.

The union says that Apple -- who contracts drivers through Hallcon -- has agreed to continue to pay drivers but has taken longer than other companies to finalize agreements. The fear of Apple backing out of the contract had caused many drivers to file for unemployment benefits.

The union had said that Apple agreed to expedite the pay that drivers had missed while being at home on April 10. Furthermore, the company has agreed to pay workers through at least May 4.

"We're working with all of our suppliers to ensure hourly workers such as janitorial staff are being paid during this difficult time," an Apple spokesperson told Business Insider.

Google has made a similar promise, offering to pay its contracted workforce through the end of April.

A notable exception is Amazon, who said that they would continue to pay drivers for as long as Amazon tech employees are made to work from home.
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  • Reply 1 of 21
    BeatsBeats Posts: 3,073member
    Greedy Apple....
    Xed
  • Reply 2 of 21
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member

    The union says that Apple -- who contracts drivers through Hallcon -- has agreed to continue to pay drivers but has taken longer than other companies to finalize agreements. The fear of Apple backing out of the contract had caused many drivers to file for unemployment benefits. 

    Well, I'd probably argue that the company they've had the most trouble with is Tesla, and Amazon the least.

    The union says that Apple -- who contracts drivers through Hallcon -- has agreed to continue to pay drivers but has taken longer than other companies to finalize agreements. The fear of Apple backing out of the contract had caused many drivers to file for unemployment benefits. 

    The union had said that Apple agreed to expedite the pay that drivers had missed while being at home on April 10. Furthermore, the company has agreed to pay workers through at least May 4. 

    This sounds a lot like someone just wanted to say 'Apple' in a Business Insider article.




    cornchipmontrosemacschasm
  • Reply 3 of 21
    jimh2jimh2 Posts: 615member
    Can you file for unemployment when you still have a job and are still being paid. I did not think it was possible to do so in anticipation.
  • Reply 4 of 21
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    Beats said:
    Greedy Apple....
    Well, yes, it’s all in the headline. Here’s 9to5Mac’s headline...

    Apple shuttle drivers still being paid, but union had ‘trouble’ with company

    The article makes sure to point out that the Teamsters Union, the goddamn Teamsters Union, the most corrupt union in the history of unions, ‘had trouble’ with Apple. Ya’ think?
    SpamSandwichrazorpit
  • Reply 5 of 21
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,075member
    I would like to see Apple work with Quest and or other Labs to turn Apple Retail locations into temporary COVID19 Testing labs.    Train the young (under 30)  Apple retail workers to process test.   Quest does the Training, Apple provides space and temporary workers, FEMA should pay for the equipment.    Test Apple employees to make sure they either don't have the virus or have the antibodies to the virus.    Then start testing HealthCare workers and first responders, and public Transportation the first month, then test Employees that work in Food production (grocery stores, Restuarants,  delivery drivers, etc.), then the third month begin general testing of the public till we know who is immune.   We need temporary surge capacity to run billions of tests over the next year or two.    Once the converted testing locations are up and running, Apple could restart outside kiosk/curbside Repairs and then sales.   Apple will be able to say its employees working with the public have developed immunity and won't be spreading it.  
  • Reply 6 of 21
    realisticrealistic Posts: 1,154member
    k2kw said:
    I would like to see Apple work with Quest and or other Labs to turn Apple Retail locations into temporary COVID19 Testing labs.    Train the young (under 30)  Apple retail workers to process test.   Quest does the Training, Apple provides space and temporary workers, FEMA should pay for the equipment.    Test Apple employees to make sure they either don't have the virus or have the antibodies to the virus.    Then start testing HealthCare workers and first responders, and public Transportation the first month, then test Employees that work in Food production (grocery stores, Restuarants,  delivery drivers, etc.), then the third month begin general testing of the public till we know who is immune.   We need temporary surge capacity to run billions of tests over the next year or two.    Once the converted testing locations are up and running, Apple could restart outside kiosk/curbside Repairs and then sales.   Apple will be able to say its employees working with the public have developed immunity and won't be spreading it.  
    K2kw... You are very generous. I don't think Apple as a retail company would, nor should they, want to shutter their stores for three months or more. It would also take much more than three months to accomplish what you propose. The USA has only tested less than 1.5 million people out of a population of over 300 million so far.
    edited April 2020
  • Reply 7 of 21
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    lkrupp said:
    Beats said:
    Greedy Apple....
    Well, yes, it’s all in the headline. Here’s 9to5Mac’s headline...

    Apple shuttle drivers still being paid, but union had ‘trouble’ with company

    The article makes sure to point out that the Teamsters Union, the goddamn Teamsters Union, the most corrupt union in the history of unions, ‘had trouble’ with Apple. Ya’ think?
    Unions are a cancer on the United States.
    agilealtitudecornchiprazorpit
  • Reply 8 of 21
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member

    k2kw said:
    I would like to see Apple work with Quest and or other Labs to turn Apple Retail locations into temporary COVID19 Testing labs.    Train the young (under 30)  Apple retail workers to process test.   Quest does the Training, Apple provides space and temporary workers, FEMA should pay for the equipment.    Test Apple employees to make sure they either don't have the virus or have the antibodies to the virus.    Then start testing HealthCare workers and first responders, and public Transportation the first month, then test Employees that work in Food production (grocery stores, Restuarants,  delivery drivers, etc.), then the third month begin general testing of the public till we know who is immune.   We need temporary surge capacity to run billions of tests over the next year or two.    Once the converted testing locations are up and running, Apple could restart outside kiosk/curbside Repairs and then sales.   Apple will be able to say its employees working with the public have developed immunity and won't be spreading it.  
    What? No. Absolutely not. Apple retail locations are not suited for medical testing.
  • Reply 9 of 21
    Perhaps they could use the buses for mobile testing sites, or even subcontract to delivery services to help with the large backlog of Amazon, Instacart, etc.
  • Reply 10 of 21
    Unions concerned pay will stop? Not trying to come across as being insensitive, but, like the rest of the world when there is no work there is no pay. 
    edited April 2020
  • Reply 11 of 21
    SpamSandwich said: Unions are a cancer on the United States.
    Corporation: uses whatever leverage it has to try and make better deals for itself.

    Union: uses whatever leverage it has to try and make better deals for itself.
    StrangeDaysmontrosemacs
  • Reply 12 of 21
    XedXed Posts: 2,543member
    SpamSandwich said: Unions are a cancer on the United States.
    Corporation: uses whatever leverage it has to try and make better deals for itself.

    Union: uses whatever leverage it has to try and make better deals for itself.
    A certain POTUS: uses whatever leverage it has to try and make better deals for itself, but SpamSandwich supports him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
    kurai_kageStrangeDaysmontrosemacs
  • Reply 13 of 21
    1348513485 Posts: 347member
    lkrupp said:
    Beats said:
    Greedy Apple....
    Well, yes, it’s all in the headline. Here’s 9to5Mac’s headline...

    Apple shuttle drivers still being paid, but union had ‘trouble’ with company

    The article makes sure to point out that the Teamsters Union, the goddamn Teamsters Union, the most corrupt union in the history of unions, ‘had trouble’ with Apple. Ya’ think?

    The following is a true story: When I was in college, I worked a summer job for three summers filling orders in a grocery warehouse in River Grove, Illinois. I had to join the Teamsters to protect my $3.50 an hour job (don't snicker, that was great money for a summer job back in the 1960s). Our union rep also worked in the same job for the same pay I was getting. Except that every Spring he would show up in a new Cadillac. I had to make do with a rusty barebones $500 old VW Beetle.

    Don't know how he did that. Must be that "prosperity gospel" I keep hearing about. Of course my dad filled me in: Chicago + Teamsters.

    EDIT: Having said all this, I have no problems with unions, and I'm a card-carrying capitalist of many decades. A few who have posted with such enmity are badly informed as to the value of both parts of the capital / labor partnership.
    edited April 2020
  • Reply 14 of 21
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,877member
    lkrupp said:
    Beats said:
    Greedy Apple....
    Well, yes, it’s all in the headline. Here’s 9to5Mac’s headline...

    Apple shuttle drivers still being paid, but union had ‘trouble’ with company

    The article makes sure to point out that the Teamsters Union, the goddamn Teamsters Union, the most corrupt union in the history of unions, ‘had trouble’ with Apple. Ya’ think?
    Unions are a cancer on the United States.
    Undiluted rubbish. They may be to corporations and the executive class, but not to the working class. It is thanks to unions that America saw economic prosperity and the creation of its middle-class last century. Organized labor is what allows workers to negotiate with corporations, who otherwise hold more power and do all they can to wealth at the top. Unions are what allow our teachers to get fair wages. Unions work, which is exactly why pro sports leagues have them, and why you've been trained to dislike them by conservatism, which exists to empower the corporate and executive class. When unions decline, so do average worker salaries.


    edited April 2020 DAalsethmontrosemacs
  • Reply 15 of 21
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,877member

    Xed said:
    SpamSandwich said: Unions are a cancer on the United States.
    Corporation: uses whatever leverage it has to try and make better deals for itself.

    Union: uses whatever leverage it has to try and make better deals for itself.
    A certain POTUS: uses whatever leverage it has to try and make better deals for itself, but SpamSandwich supports him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
    "He's just a savvy businessman!"
  • Reply 16 of 21
    1348513485 Posts: 347member
    "He's just a savvy businessman!"
    Well, he certainly figured out that when you get enough gullible lenders to finance your ventures, you "own" them, they don't "own" you. They can't afford to not try to get some, even meager, return on their investments, so they keep those borrowers afloat as long as they possibly can. Deutsche Bank I'm looking at you.

    How else to explain the string of corruption and massive failures that nonetheless didn't impact his credit rating enough to deny loans.
  • Reply 17 of 21
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    13485 said:
    lkrupp said:
    Beats said:
    Greedy Apple....
    Well, yes, it’s all in the headline. Here’s 9to5Mac’s headline...

    Apple shuttle drivers still being paid, but union had ‘trouble’ with company

    The article makes sure to point out that the Teamsters Union, the goddamn Teamsters Union, the most corrupt union in the history of unions, ‘had trouble’ with Apple. Ya’ think?

    The following is a true story: When I was in college, I worked a summer job for three summers filling orders in a grocery warehouse in River Grove, Illinois. I had to join the Teamsters to protect my $3.50 an hour job (don't snicker, that was great money for a summer job back in the 1960s). Our union rep also worked in the same job for the same pay I was getting. Except that every Spring he would show up in a new Cadillac. I had to make do with a rusty barebones $500 old VW Beetle.

    Don't know how he did that. Must be that "prosperity gospel" I keep hearing about. Of course my dad filled me in: Chicago + Teamsters.

    EDIT: Having said all this, I have no problems with unions, and I'm a card-carrying capitalist of many decades. A few who have posted with such enmity are badly informed as to the value of both parts of the capital / labor partnership.
    Very familiar with the corruption and political machinery of Chicago.

    Unions OR businesses having too many influential political connections, and if they are able to bend laws and regulations to their will are bad for competitiveness.
  • Reply 18 of 21
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,783member
    They might be in for a surprise. This stretch of people having to work from home is resulting in a lot of them finding out that they PREFER to work at home. The drivers might find out there’s a lot less need for their services as things go back to normal. It won’t be the same normal.
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 19 of 21
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member
    SpamSandwich said: Unions are a cancer on the United States.
    Corporation: uses whatever leverage it has to try and make better deals for itself.

    Union: uses whatever leverage it has to try and make better deals for itself.
    Both have instances where they are absolutely ridiculous when making deals. Problem is unions are generally far more ridiculous.
    Xed said:
    SpamSandwich said: Unions are a cancer on the United States.
    Corporation: uses whatever leverage it has to try and make better deals for itself.

    Union: uses whatever leverage it has to try and make better deals for itself.
    A certain POTUS: uses whatever leverage it has to try and make better deals for itself, but SpamSandwich supports him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
    A certain POTUS: uses whatever leverage he has to try and make better deals for the country. {Fixed it for you. You're welcome.}
    lkrupp said:
    Beats said:
    Greedy Apple....
    Well, yes, it’s all in the headline. Here’s 9to5Mac’s headline...

    Apple shuttle drivers still being paid, but union had ‘trouble’ with company

    The article makes sure to point out that the Teamsters Union, the goddamn Teamsters Union, the most corrupt union in the history of unions, ‘had trouble’ with Apple. Ya’ think?
    Unions are a cancer on the United States.
    Undiluted rubbish. They may be to corporations and the executive class, but not to the working class. It is thanks to unions that America saw economic prosperity and the creation of its middle-class last century. Organized labor is what allows workers to negotiate with corporations, who otherwise hold more power and do all they can to wealth at the top. Unions are what allow our teachers to get fair wages. Unions work, which is exactly why pro sports leagues have them, and why you've been trained to dislike them by conservatism, which exists to empower the corporate and executive class. When unions decline, so do average worker salaries.
    Unions don't work. Pro sports leagues have them because someone suckered them in to them. Look at the average salaries of the people at the top of any union versus the beloved worker class they supposedly represent. You've been trained to love them by socialism, which exists to empower the governmental and ruler class. When unions decline, work gets done.

    Other than a few of the good labor unions that train workers in skilled trades, what purpose does a union provide that isn't already covered by labor laws?
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 20 of 21
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,294member
    Unions concerned pay will stop? Not trying to come across as being insensitive, but, like the rest of the world when there is no work there is no pay. 
    Which is why they joined a union -- to get benefits the world's richest company can easily afford to pay, and should pay to retain the trained employees they want to keep. I'm sorry if this is a foreign concept to most Americans.
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