The lack of empathy in this thread is astounding. This is a difficult time for everyone. It's okay if people what to talk about the challenges they are facing. They shouldn't have to quit for not liking the situation or be told to be quiet. If you don't face the same challenges then just move on. No need to be a jerk.
I agree it is a difficult time for everyone. It is a stressful time for everyone. But it’s even more so for those whose jobs disappeared with the lockdown. I’ll freely admit that I’m one of the lucky ones, I still have a job to go to, for part of the week at least. A lot of people have nothing. My niece and nephew made a good living going from gig to gig. Poof it’s all gone. So sorry if it sounds harsh, but as hard as it is juggling a job and the kids cooped up in the house, it could be worse. They could be cooped up in the house with the kids spending their day worrying if they will get evicted, or be able to put food on the table.
The lack of empathy in this thread is astounding. This is a difficult time for everyone. It's okay if people what to talk about the challenges they are facing. They shouldn't have to quit for not liking the situation or be told to be quiet. If you don't face the same challenges then just move on. No need to be a jerk.
Well, I guess you never worked with those none stop winning employee.
I would recommend watch the last rocky movie. In that movie, rocky talked his son in outside of his restaurant..
Life is not easy. Every one want more money and built good life but no one want work hard..
No one make current your situation other then your decision made course of your life pass.
Unless you are working for the front line like doctor and nurse, first responder, Simply saying, Grow up man..
This is a joke right? You are literally saying people need to “Grow up” while also suggesting we look to Rocky films for life’s great lessons. Weird spelling and grammar issues aside, you comment is beyond stupid.
The lack of empathy in this thread is astounding. This is a difficult time for everyone. It's okay if people what to talk about the challenges they are facing. They shouldn't have to quit for not liking the situation or be told to be quiet. If you don't face the same challenges then just move on. No need to be a jerk.
I agree it is a difficult time for everyone. It is a stressful time for everyone. But it’s even more so for those whose jobs disappeared with the lockdown. I’ll freely admit that I’m one of the lucky ones, I still have a job to go to, for part of the week at least. A lot of people have nothing. My niece and nephew made a good living going from gig to gig. Poof it’s all gone. So sorry if it sounds harsh, but as hard as it is juggling a job and the kids cooped up in the house, it could be worse. They could be cooped up in the house with the kids spending their day worrying if they will get evicted, or be able to put food on the table.
This isn’t a contest to see who has it worst. And really, In world that has seen all kinds of horrific crap your niece and nephew don’t even rank when it comes to hardship. So do we simply dismiss what is happening to them too? No, that would be ridiculous. Now, provide others the same benefit. It literally costs you nothing other than not being a terrible person.
hattig said: ... If she has an evening call, then she can free up time in the day to compensate ...
Great post, except for many this part. I'm not sure if you've had salaried jobs, but they typically don't work like that. Or, for people working in fields related to health care right now, some of them are in crisis mode, so it just means more hours. But, you're right in that companies beyond a few key areas should be adjusting their expectations.
There's a price for every decision we make. If you decide to have kids, you pay the price of your own decision, not someone else.
I really don't think that this is a standard expected situation is it?
And capitalism needs workers for the future as well, society needs children. Or maybe you'd like them all to be imported from Mexico, India, China and so on?
Unfortunately, it is, because a lot of people don't really understand the big picture. And, then there have been the over-population yahoos running around since the late 1700s. Then, on top of that, the USA has an overly 'every person for themself' thing mixed in there.
This is what happens when you increase the hiring of women.
i know it’s a crappy thing to say....but the truth often is.
I know of a few single parents who are men. They get even less support from society as a whole.
Maybe a better way of putting it is that we might be in for some really terrible results deciding (as a society) to push for everyone working in a family, and handing our children over to the State.
TheCodingArt said: All because people do not feel like this will be reality doesn’t make it so. It’s fairly well known, going in, the divide between time and priorities when having kids. It is a sacrifice in certain areas and no.. you do not get everything. With that being said, these parents need to get their shit together and Apple needs to learn how to help manage them. That doesn’t mean flex work and delivery expectations though.
As mentioned somewhere above, these people should be grateful they have a job and learn how to make it work. Their work/life balance is mostly their problem at this point for a 9-5 job. This isn’t an Apple is over working them problem, this is an employees learning to manage life and managers learning how to work with absurdly flexible (non enforced) schedules problem.
No, the problem is that the expectation of a lot of professional jobs these days is more like 60+ hours per week, and that you're supposed to give up family time and work/life balance to be a good loyal employee... you know, working for the cause.
... The company exist only 1 reason. Make money. ...
Yeah, and if they don't take care of their employees, they will fail in that mission.
GeorgeBMac said: ... Instead of a real cyber school with a teachers and a set schedule with the associated structure, they simply hand out assignments and recommend videos to watch in place of their teaching. And, for many kids that lack of structure is devastating. Plus, kids tend to associate the assignments with "homework" and think they can get it all done in a few minutes like they did with homework (much of which was already completed during school study halls). But now the assignments are meant to fill up the day -- because they are replacing the school day. ...
Exactly! Though I can hardly blame the teachers either. You can't just quickly create your whole teaching experience into an online delivery format, and then have to deal with everything from family sitting home bored, to families who are now more busy than ever, in a matter of a few days/weeks.
Real home-schoolers (in my understanding) typically get everything done in 2-3 hours per day, as that is about all the education real schools get done (or less). But, that takes a lot of structure and planning. It doesn't just happen.
GeorgeBMac said: ... But, this is yet another illustration of a societal problem we have yet to adequately deal with: child care.
When I was growing up the man worked and the woman kept the home and raised the kids. But now they both work and there's nobody left to care for the kids. Day care and school became the parents. ...
Yeah, and they aren't necessarily very good parents, either. But, if you think we have problems now, just wait until the State decides it would be better for society if they did all the 'parenting'.
The lack of empathy in this thread is astounding. This is a difficult time for everyone. It's okay if people what to talk about the challenges they are facing. They shouldn't have to quit for not liking the situation or be told to be quiet. If you don't face the same challenges then just move on. No need to be a jerk.
No doubt. This isn't a situation were people just have a poor work ethic. This is a situation being IMPOSED on people by the government. We can debate about whether that is towards good ends and to what extent. But, by virtue of this, it is now a societal problem which (mostly via the government) everyone has to join in to solve.
YP101 said: Well, I guess you never worked with those none stop winning employee.
Yes, there are plenty of bad, whining type employees out there. However, I think you're the one missing that this isn't what we're talking about here.
DAalseth said: I agree it is a difficult time for everyone. It is a stressful time for everyone. But it’s even more so for those whose jobs disappeared with the lockdown. I’ll freely admit that I’m one of the lucky ones, I still have a job to go to, for part of the week at least. A lot of people have nothing. My niece and nephew made a good living going from gig to gig. Poof it’s all gone. So sorry if it sounds harsh, but as hard as it is juggling a job and the kids cooped up in the house, it could be worse. They could be cooped up in the house with the kids spending their day worrying if they will get evicted, or be able to put food on the table.
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Unfortunately, it is, because a lot of people don't really understand the big picture. And, then there have been the over-population yahoos running around since the late 1700s. Then, on top of that, the USA has an overly 'every person for themself' thing mixed in there.
Maybe a better way of putting it is that we might be in for some really terrible results deciding (as a society) to push for everyone working in a family, and handing our children over to the State.
No, the problem is that the expectation of a lot of professional jobs these days is more like 60+ hours per week, and that you're supposed to give up family time and work/life balance to be a good loyal employee... you know, working for the cause.
Yeah, and if they don't take care of their employees, they will fail in that mission.
Exactly!
Though I can hardly blame the teachers either. You can't just quickly create your whole teaching experience into an online delivery format, and then have to deal with everything from family sitting home bored, to families who are now more busy than ever, in a matter of a few days/weeks.
Real home-schoolers (in my understanding) typically get everything done in 2-3 hours per day, as that is about all the education real schools get done (or less). But, that takes a lot of structure and planning. It doesn't just happen.
Yeah, and they aren't necessarily very good parents, either. But, if you think we have problems now, just wait until the State decides it would be better for society if they did all the 'parenting'.
No doubt. This isn't a situation were people just have a poor work ethic. This is a situation being IMPOSED on people by the government. We can debate about whether that is towards good ends and to what extent. But, by virtue of this, it is now a societal problem which (mostly via the government) everyone has to join in to solve.
Fair point!