Virus is without borders. When someone goes to other countries, the local government app will not work. That is why it is so important to have a global platform.
just look at China, each city/province has its own app. People is perfectly fine in a province suddenly can’t go to other provinces.
China is a good example of what don’t work and fail. Don’t act like China.
LOL.... China acted decisively and brought the virus under control -- people have largely returned to normal and industry is back up and running. Not so elsewhere -- here we are still mostly shut down and have killed 50,000 people through inaction and misplaced priorities. We should be copying China rather than attacking them.
So you firmly believe we should be more like China and less like the Western world. How simplistic. Cute tho. Your agenda is getting clearer. Bad US. Good China.
According to BBC News, the system by NHSX, the technology advisory group of the National Health Service, will work via Bluetooth. It will log when any two devices are close enough together for longer than an unspecified amount of time, and relay that information to the central database.
"Engineers have met several core challenges for the app to meet public health needs," an NHSX spokeswoman told the BBC, "and support detection of contact events sufficiently well, including when the app is in the background, without excessively affecting battery life."
In comparison, Apple and Google's technology will allow for contact tracing to take place without an app having to launch or wake. For privacy reasons, the American technology firms also plan to conduct the actual contact tracing on each individual's device, so that data is not passed back to any one company's servers. [...]
France continues to prefer its own proposed system, and has asked Apple to alter iOS's restrictions on apps running in the background, in order for its app to work properly. "[Our] privacy principles are not going to change," responded Gary Davis, Apple's global director of privacy. "They are fundamental privacy principles that are needed to make this work."
"Yeaaahh. If you could just go ahead and leave the software development to software companies, that'd be greeaaat..."
Seriously, why would these government shops think they can do privacy-protecting software better than Apple, who also happens to be the platform owner? Its solution is guaranteed to be better. Thankfully Germany has seen the light and gotten on board.
They can’t do privacy better. That’s the point. The fearful public will elect for this thinking, ignorantly, that the government has their best interest at heart and then when a new party or people are in charge that wish to expand its use for more nefarious motives, they will. This virus is the perfect opening all governments have been waiting for to infringe in our rights. Not that the British or other Europeans really ever had rights, but you get the point.
It’s kind of the same thing when we passed the Patriot Act after 9/11. Everyone was fearful and wanted something done. All that got us was spying on Americans under Bush and expanded on under Obama. If people think that won’t happen here, then they’re fools.
In a democracy that is the fault of the people -- either not caring or gullible enough to swallow politically motivated lies and propaganda.
It's our job to elect responsible leaders with integrity who put the nation and its people first.
To say that "all government is inherently evil" is to say that voters in a democracy are inherently stupid.
According to BBC News, the system by NHSX, the technology advisory group of the National Health Service, will work via Bluetooth. It will log when any two devices are close enough together for longer than an unspecified amount of time, and relay that information to the central database.
"Engineers have met several core challenges for the app to meet public health needs," an NHSX spokeswoman told the BBC, "and support detection of contact events sufficiently well, including when the app is in the background, without excessively affecting battery life."
In comparison, Apple and Google's technology will allow for contact tracing to take place without an app having to launch or wake. For privacy reasons, the American technology firms also plan to conduct the actual contact tracing on each individual's device, so that data is not passed back to any one company's servers. [...]
France continues to prefer its own proposed system, and has asked Apple to alter iOS's restrictions on apps running in the background, in order for its app to work properly. "[Our] privacy principles are not going to change," responded Gary Davis, Apple's global director of privacy. "They are fundamental privacy principles that are needed to make this work."
"Yeaaahh. If you could just go ahead and leave the software development to software companies, that'd be greeaaat..."
Seriously, why would these government shops think they can do privacy-protecting software better than Apple, who also happens to be the platform owner? Its solution is guaranteed to be better. Thankfully Germany has seen the light and gotten on board.
They can’t do privacy better. That’s the point. The fearful public will elect for this thinking, ignorantly, that the government has their best interest at heart and then when a new party or people are in charge that wish to expand its use for more nefarious motives, they will. This virus is the perfect opening all governments have been waiting for to infringe in our rights. Not that the British or other Europeans really ever had rights, but you get the point.
It’s kind of the same thing when we passed the Patriot Act after 9/11. Everyone was fearful and wanted something done. All that got us was spying on Americans under Bush and expanded on under Obama. If people think that won’t happen here, then they’re fools.
In a democracy that is the fault of the people -- either not caring or gullible enough to swallow politically motivated lies and propaganda.
It's our job to elect responsible leaders with integrity who put the nation and its people first.
It would help if you could come up with a better candidate than two 70 year old white guys who may both be entering the beginning stages of dementia. IMO you could argue toss a coin as to which is the better one to have voted for three years from now. Heck one of them (Biden) will already be at the US average life expectancy by the time the next President is inaugurated.
I'm so glad then we have a Congress to help keep either one of them in check, and a confederation of States who hold some powers for themselves, and a multi-level judiciary to play umpire. There is no single person with lifelong (or until a coup) power here in the US as there is in some countries.
Now if we could just root out those Dems and Republicans in Congress and on the State level serving for decades and beholden to the wealthy and special interests rather than you and me. They talk a great game but nothing really changes because in general we're not the ones they are trying to please. There may be an outlier or two but not nearly enough.
According to BBC News, the system by NHSX, the technology advisory group of the National Health Service, will work via Bluetooth. It will log when any two devices are close enough together for longer than an unspecified amount of time, and relay that information to the central database.
"Engineers have met several core challenges for the app to meet public health needs," an NHSX spokeswoman told the BBC, "and support detection of contact events sufficiently well, including when the app is in the background, without excessively affecting battery life."
In comparison, Apple and Google's technology will allow for contact tracing to take place without an app having to launch or wake. For privacy reasons, the American technology firms also plan to conduct the actual contact tracing on each individual's device, so that data is not passed back to any one company's servers. [...]
France continues to prefer its own proposed system, and has asked Apple to alter iOS's restrictions on apps running in the background, in order for its app to work properly. "[Our] privacy principles are not going to change," responded Gary Davis, Apple's global director of privacy. "They are fundamental privacy principles that are needed to make this work."
"Yeaaahh. If you could just go ahead and leave the software development to software companies, that'd be greeaaat..."
Seriously, why would these government shops think they can do privacy-protecting software better than Apple, who also happens to be the platform owner? Its solution is guaranteed to be better. Thankfully Germany has seen the light and gotten on board.
They don't.
They value people's lives more than people's privacy.
And they value their backers' stock portfolios over both.
If they really valued people's lives then they would not have started out with the herd immunity (ie. let it kill all the old people and the rest of us will just get something that feels like the flu), and they would have got a testing scheme in place the minute what they were up against. (Basically, when it became clear that China was lying to the world)
According to BBC News, the system by NHSX, the technology advisory group of the National Health Service, will work via Bluetooth. It will log when any two devices are close enough together for longer than an unspecified amount of time, and relay that information to the central database.
"Engineers have met several core challenges for the app to meet public health needs," an NHSX spokeswoman told the BBC, "and support detection of contact events sufficiently well, including when the app is in the background, without excessively affecting battery life."
In comparison, Apple and Google's technology will allow for contact tracing to take place without an app having to launch or wake. For privacy reasons, the American technology firms also plan to conduct the actual contact tracing on each individual's device, so that data is not passed back to any one company's servers. [...]
France continues to prefer its own proposed system, and has asked Apple to alter iOS's restrictions on apps running in the background, in order for its app to work properly. "[Our] privacy principles are not going to change," responded Gary Davis, Apple's global director of privacy. "They are fundamental privacy principles that are needed to make this work."
"Yeaaahh. If you could just go ahead and leave the software development to software companies, that'd be greeaaat..."
Seriously, why would these government shops think they can do privacy-protecting software better than Apple, who also happens to be the platform owner? Its solution is guaranteed to be better. Thankfully Germany has seen the light and gotten on board.
They can’t do privacy better. That’s the point. The fearful public will elect for this thinking, ignorantly, that the government has their best interest at heart and then when a new party or people are in charge that wish to expand its use for more nefarious motives, they will. This virus is the perfect opening all governments have been waiting for to infringe in our rights. Not that the British or other Europeans really ever had rights, but you get the point.
It’s kind of the same thing when we passed the Patriot Act after 9/11. Everyone was fearful and wanted something done. All that got us was spying on Americans under Bush and expanded on under Obama. If people think that won’t happen here, then they’re fools.
In a democracy that is the fault of the people -- either not caring or gullible enough to swallow politically motivated lies and propaganda.
It's our job to elect responsible leaders with integrity who put the nation and its people first.
To say that "all government is inherently evil" is to say that voters in a democracy are inherently stupid.
According to BBC News, the system by NHSX, the technology advisory group of the National Health Service, will work via Bluetooth. It will log when any two devices are close enough together for longer than an unspecified amount of time, and relay that information to the central database.
"Engineers have met several core challenges for the app to meet public health needs," an NHSX spokeswoman told the BBC, "and support detection of contact events sufficiently well, including when the app is in the background, without excessively affecting battery life."
In comparison, Apple and Google's technology will allow for contact tracing to take place without an app having to launch or wake. For privacy reasons, the American technology firms also plan to conduct the actual contact tracing on each individual's device, so that data is not passed back to any one company's servers. [...]
France continues to prefer its own proposed system, and has asked Apple to alter iOS's restrictions on apps running in the background, in order for its app to work properly. "[Our] privacy principles are not going to change," responded Gary Davis, Apple's global director of privacy. "They are fundamental privacy principles that are needed to make this work."
"Yeaaahh. If you could just go ahead and leave the software development to software companies, that'd be greeaaat..."
Seriously, why would these government shops think they can do privacy-protecting software better than Apple, who also happens to be the platform owner? Its solution is guaranteed to be better. Thankfully Germany has seen the light and gotten on board.
They don't.
They value people's lives more than people's privacy.
Does it have to be one or the other? Nope. It's cute when you say trite stuff like that. Thankfully the founding fathers thought differently. "Give me liberty or give me death"
If centralized tracking (less privacy) keeps people from signing up then more people might die than if decentralized (more private) Google/Apple exposure tracing is used by more people because it's trusted more and pervasive.
Go to an app store. Get the app. Read the warning that it's going to be running all the time and will possibly drain your battery?
No one is going to install this. I certainly won't.
According to BBC News, the system by NHSX, the technology advisory group of the National Health Service, will work via Bluetooth. It will log when any two devices are close enough together for longer than an unspecified amount of time, and relay that information to the central database.
"Engineers have met several core challenges for the app to meet public health needs," an NHSX spokeswoman told the BBC, "and support detection of contact events sufficiently well, including when the app is in the background, without excessively affecting battery life."
In comparison, Apple and Google's technology will allow for contact tracing to take place without an app having to launch or wake. For privacy reasons, the American technology firms also plan to conduct the actual contact tracing on each individual's device, so that data is not passed back to any one company's servers. [...]
France continues to prefer its own proposed system, and has asked Apple to alter iOS's restrictions on apps running in the background, in order for its app to work properly. "[Our] privacy principles are not going to change," responded Gary Davis, Apple's global director of privacy. "They are fundamental privacy principles that are needed to make this work."
"Yeaaahh. If you could just go ahead and leave the software development to software companies, that'd be greeaaat..."
Seriously, why would these government shops think they can do privacy-protecting software better than Apple, who also happens to be the platform owner? Its solution is guaranteed to be better. Thankfully Germany has seen the light and gotten on board.
They can’t do privacy better. That’s the point. The fearful public will elect for this thinking, ignorantly, that the government has their best interest at heart and then when a new party or people are in charge that wish to expand its use for more nefarious motives, they will. This virus is the perfect opening all governments have been waiting for to infringe in our rights. Not that the British or other Europeans really ever had rights, but you get the point.
It’s kind of the same thing when we passed the Patriot Act after 9/11. Everyone was fearful and wanted something done. All that got us was spying on Americans under Bush and expanded on under Obama. If people think that won’t happen here, then they’re fools.
In a democracy that is the fault of the people -- either not caring or gullible enough to swallow politically motivated lies and propaganda.
It's our job to elect responsible leaders with integrity who put the nation and its people first.
It would help if you could come up with a better candidate than two 70 year old white guys who may both be entering the beginning stages of dementia. IMO you could argue toss a coin as to which is the better one to have voted for three years from now. Heck one of them (Biden) will already be at the US average life expectancy by the time the next President is inaugurated.
I'm so glad then we have a Congress to help keep either one of them in check, and a confederation of States who hold some powers for themselves, and a multi-level judiciary to play umpire. There is no single person with lifelong (or until a coup) power here in the US as there is in some countries.
Now if we could just root out those Dems and Republicans in Congress and on the State level serving for decades and beholden to the wealthy and special interests rather than you and me. They talk a great game but nothing really changes because in general we're not the ones they are trying to please. There may be an outlier or two but not nearly enough.
Ability and integrity are not dependent on age, sex, race or color.
And, unfortunately our senate has absolved themselves of all their constitutional responsibility to the people. They are now just a tool of the executive branch. We saw that demonstrated in technicolor when they refused to hear evidence or conduct a trial when shown clearly that the president had used his office to rig an election and undermine our democracy.
And no, length of service says nothing about allegiance to the rich and special interests. Just look at the likes of Pat Toomey who primaried out a highly respected Republican senator because he refused to toe the line set by those special interests. He prances when the Koch Brothers shake the reins.
Excuses don't solve anything.
An informed and active electorate has to do that. But 2/3's of them -- both the far right and the far left -- are being flooded with propaganda fostering fear and hate on a daily basis. They are brainwashed as much as any ISIS recruit.
According to BBC News, the system by NHSX, the technology advisory group of the National Health Service, will work via Bluetooth. It will log when any two devices are close enough together for longer than an unspecified amount of time, and relay that information to the central database.
"Engineers have met several core challenges for the app to meet public health needs," an NHSX spokeswoman told the BBC, "and support detection of contact events sufficiently well, including when the app is in the background, without excessively affecting battery life."
In comparison, Apple and Google's technology will allow for contact tracing to take place without an app having to launch or wake. For privacy reasons, the American technology firms also plan to conduct the actual contact tracing on each individual's device, so that data is not passed back to any one company's servers. [...]
France continues to prefer its own proposed system, and has asked Apple to alter iOS's restrictions on apps running in the background, in order for its app to work properly. "[Our] privacy principles are not going to change," responded Gary Davis, Apple's global director of privacy. "They are fundamental privacy principles that are needed to make this work."
"Yeaaahh. If you could just go ahead and leave the software development to software companies, that'd be greeaaat..."
Seriously, why would these government shops think they can do privacy-protecting software better than Apple, who also happens to be the platform owner? Its solution is guaranteed to be better. Thankfully Germany has seen the light and gotten on board.
They don't.
They value people's lives more than people's privacy.
And they value their backers' stock portfolios over both.
If they really valued people's lives then they would not have started out with the herd immunity (ie. let it kill all the old people and the rest of us will just get something that feels like the flu), and they would have got a testing scheme in place the minute what they were up against. (Basically, when it became clear that China was lying to the world)
That's so true it hurts.... The cold knife of reality right through the heart.
The U.K. is an embarrassment so far in its response to Covid-19.
Add this to the list. Every decision whether it was access to tests/lockdown/borders/protective equipment etc ... too little and very late.
We needed that app weeks ago here in the U.K. in combination with a viable and frequent test service.
Our economy is ruined , & thousands of unnecessary deaths which could have been prevented. The general public here still can’t get access to tests unless carted off to hospital. It’s a disgrace.
There is a reason countries like New Zealand did so well.
All I can say is whilst the U.K. is terrible it looks like there are plenty of countries making equally bad decisions.
Your comparison to New Zealand over states how will they did compared to the UK. The reason New Zealand did well is because they had 1 month longer to prepare for a response, as first cases did not hit New Zealand until a month after the US. Plenty more time to consider a response. Plenty more time to watch what other countries did wrong.
The U.K. is an embarrassment so far in its response to Covid-19.
Add this to the list. Every decision whether it was access to tests/lockdown/borders/protective equipment etc ... too little and very late.
We needed that app weeks ago here in the U.K. in combination with a viable and frequent test service.
Our economy is ruined , & thousands of unnecessary deaths which could have been prevented. The general public here still can’t get access to tests unless carted off to hospital. It’s a disgrace.
There is a reason countries like New Zealand did so well.
All I can say is whilst the U.K. is terrible it looks like there are plenty of countries making equally bad decisions.
Your comparison to New Zealand over states how will they did compared to the UK. The reason New Zealand did well is because they had 1 month longer to prepare for a response, as first cases did not hit New Zealand until a month after the US. Plenty more time to consider a response. Plenty more time to watch what other countries did wrong.
...and a far smaller population (less than 5Million) combined with much smaller cities and a more dispersed populace, Aulkland being the only exception.
The U.K. is an embarrassment so far in its response to Covid-19.
Add this to the list. Every decision whether it was access to tests/lockdown/borders/protective equipment etc ... too little and very late.
We needed that app weeks ago here in the U.K. in combination with a viable and frequent test service.
Our economy is ruined , & thousands of unnecessary deaths which could have been prevented. The general public here still can’t get access to tests unless carted off to hospital. It’s a disgrace.
There is a reason countries like New Zealand did so well.
All I can say is whilst the U.K. is terrible it looks like there are plenty of countries making equally bad decisions.
Your comparison to New Zealand over states how will they did compared to the UK. The reason New Zealand did well is because they had 1 month longer to prepare for a response, as first cases did not hit New Zealand until a month after the US. Plenty more time to consider a response. Plenty more time to watch what other countries did wrong.
The U.S. also had ample warning that it was coming. Unfortunately we ignored those warnings. The first case happened in S. Korea on the same day the first case happened in the U.S. They took action. We ducked. Or tried to.
The U.K. is an embarrassment so far in its response to Covid-19.
Add this to the list. Every decision whether it was access to tests/lockdown/borders/protective equipment etc ... too little and very late.
We needed that app weeks ago here in the U.K. in combination with a viable and frequent test service.
Our economy is ruined , & thousands of unnecessary deaths which could have been prevented. The general public here still can’t get access to tests unless carted off to hospital. It’s a disgrace.
There is a reason countries like New Zealand did so well.
All I can say is whilst the U.K. is terrible it looks like there are plenty of countries making equally bad decisions.
Your comparison to New Zealand over states how will they did compared to the UK. The reason New Zealand did well is because they had 1 month longer to prepare for a response, as first cases did not hit New Zealand until a month after the US. Plenty more time to consider a response. Plenty more time to watch what other countries did wrong.
...and a far smaller population (less than 5Million) combined with much smaller cities and a more dispersed populace, Aulkland being the only exception.
Yes, a smaller country with a smaller population. They also had far fewer resources to call on than the U.S. Regardless, unlike the U.S. they did what needed to be done.
The U.K. is an embarrassment so far in its response to Covid-19.
Add this to the list. Every decision whether it was access to tests/lockdown/borders/protective equipment etc ... too little and very late.
We needed that app weeks ago here in the U.K. in combination with a viable and frequent test service.
Our economy is ruined , & thousands of unnecessary deaths which could have been prevented. The general public here still can’t get access to tests unless carted off to hospital. It’s a disgrace.
There is a reason countries like New Zealand did so well.
All I can say is whilst the U.K. is terrible it looks like there are plenty of countries making equally bad decisions.
Your comparison to New Zealand over states how will they did compared to the UK. The reason New Zealand did well is because they had 1 month longer to prepare for a response, as first cases did not hit New Zealand until a month after the US. Plenty more time to consider a response. Plenty more time to watch what other countries did wrong.
...and a far smaller population (less than 5Million) combined with much smaller cities and a more dispersed populace, Aulkland being the only exception.
Yes, a smaller country with a smaller population. They also had far fewer resources to call on than the U.S. Regardless, unlike the U.S. they did what needed to be done.
I don't know about your state George but in ours just 90 days since the first infection there's now a glut of ventilators, enough tests that anyone who wants one can be tested, no referral necessary, and our economy is prepping to reopen in slow but steady stages starting this weekend. Hardly seems like the total failure you portray it as.
Clearly you also know nothing about history. The Magna Carta was a landmark in the establishment of the rights of the citizen versus the state, not just in Britian but internationally - your Declaration of Independence drew upon it.
I seem to recall from my history lessons that the Magna Carta only really protected the nobles from the King, and not "the people." After all, what need of rights had the serfs with the nobles there to protect them?
The Charter Of The Forest was more relevant to the people. And if we’re talking about precedents to the US Constitution then the English Bill Of Rights is more relevant and contemporaneous than the Charters.
The U.K. is an embarrassment so far in its response to Covid-19.
Add this to the list. Every decision whether it was access to tests/lockdown/borders/protective equipment etc ... too little and very late.
We needed that app weeks ago here in the U.K. in combination with a viable and frequent test service.
Our economy is ruined , & thousands of unnecessary deaths which could have been prevented. The general public here still can’t get access to tests unless carted off to hospital. It’s a disgrace.
There is a reason countries like New Zealand did so well.
All I can say is whilst the U.K. is terrible it looks like there are plenty of countries making equally bad decisions.
Your comparison to New Zealand over states how will they did compared to the UK. The reason New Zealand did well is because they had 1 month longer to prepare for a response, as first cases did not hit New Zealand until a month after the US. Plenty more time to consider a response. Plenty more time to watch what other countries did wrong.
...and a far smaller population (less than 5Million) combined with much smaller cities and a more dispersed populace, Aulkland being the only exception.
Yes, a smaller country with a smaller population. They also had far fewer resources to call on than the U.S. Regardless, unlike the U.S. they did what needed to be done.
I don't know about your state George but in ours just 90 days since the first infection there's now a glut of ventilators, enough tests that anyone who wants one can be tested, no referral necessary, and our economy is prepping to reopen in slow but steady stages starting this weekend. Hardly seems like the total failure you portray it as.
You sound like Trump: "Anybody who wants a test can get a test!" ROFL.... 58,000 formerly living, breathing Americans disagree. So do the experts.
The U.K. is an embarrassment so far in its response to Covid-19.
Add this to the list. Every decision whether it was access to tests/lockdown/borders/protective equipment etc ... too little and very late.
We needed that app weeks ago here in the U.K. in combination with a viable and frequent test service.
Our economy is ruined , & thousands of unnecessary deaths which could have been prevented. The general public here still can’t get access to tests unless carted off to hospital. It’s a disgrace.
There is a reason countries like New Zealand did so well.
All I can say is whilst the U.K. is terrible it looks like there are plenty of countries making equally bad decisions.
Your comparison to New Zealand over states how will they did compared to the UK. The reason New Zealand did well is because they had 1 month longer to prepare for a response, as first cases did not hit New Zealand until a month after the US. Plenty more time to consider a response. Plenty more time to watch what other countries did wrong.
...and a far smaller population (less than 5Million) combined with much smaller cities and a more dispersed populace, Aulkland being the only exception.
Yes, a smaller country with a smaller population. They also had far fewer resources to call on than the U.S. Regardless, unlike the U.S. they did what needed to be done.
I don't know about your state George but in ours just 90 days since the first infection there's now a glut of ventilators, enough tests that anyone who wants one can be tested, no referral necessary, and our economy is prepping to reopen in slow but steady stages starting this weekend. Hardly seems like the total failure you portray it as.
You sound like Trump: "Anybody who wants a test can get a test!" ROFL.... 58,000 formerly living, breathing Americans disagree. So do the experts.
You still sound like George. Early on weren't you predicting upwards of a million dead Americans by now? We must have done something right, or and George was wrong. Remember those ventilators you kept hitting the administration with, that shortage you claimed would be responsible for killing millions of Americans IIRC? Seems they weren't so essential after all, and in fact may be more useless than useful in saving Covid19 patients.
What about those Covid tests our Chinese friends were offering us, and sending out to governments elsewhere in the world, the ones you insisted we should be kneeling down to accept with thanks. Since then it's been found that many o those Chinese tests are showing up contaminated and unreliable and governments are either refusing them or disposing of the ones they have. Early on (March) the CDC had it's own issues with a contaminated batch of tests due to a sourced component, and China may still be suffering cross-contamination in production along with taking advantage of the pandemic to distribute unapproved and poorly-produced kit sold at a premium.
And here's something to ponder: The best and brightest doctors in the world across multiple countries and continents don't even know how the virus is even killing us, and no country has a drug to treat it. No one, not even the Chinese who have been coping with it for the longest of all, knows exactly what they are dealing with. No proven treatment, no vaccine.
The more you think you know the less you find you factually do.
According to BBC News, the system by NHSX, the technology advisory group of the National Health Service, will work via Bluetooth. It will log when any two devices are close enough together for longer than an unspecified amount of time, and relay that information to the central database.
"Engineers have met several core challenges for the app to meet public health needs," an NHSX spokeswoman told the BBC, "and support detection of contact events sufficiently well, including when the app is in the background, without excessively affecting battery life."
In comparison, Apple and Google's technology will allow for contact tracing to take place without an app having to launch or wake. For privacy reasons, the American technology firms also plan to conduct the actual contact tracing on each individual's device, so that data is not passed back to any one company's servers. [...]
France continues to prefer its own proposed system, and has asked Apple to alter iOS's restrictions on apps running in the background, in order for its app to work properly. "[Our] privacy principles are not going to change," responded Gary Davis, Apple's global director of privacy. "They are fundamental privacy principles that are needed to make this work."
"Yeaaahh. If you could just go ahead and leave the software development to software companies, that'd be greeaaat..."
Seriously, why would these government shops think they can do privacy-protecting software better than Apple, who also happens to be the platform owner? Its solution is guaranteed to be better. Thankfully Germany has seen the light and gotten on board.
They don't.
They value people's lives more than people's privacy
If they really valued people's lives then they would not have started out with the herd immunity (ie. let it kill all the old people and the rest of us will just get something that feels like the flu), and they would have got a testing scheme in place the minute what they were up against. (Basically, when it became clear that China was lying to the world)
The U.K. is an embarrassment so far in its response to Covid-19.
Add this to the list. Every decision whether it was access to tests/lockdown/borders/protective equipment etc ... too little and very late.
We needed that app weeks ago here in the U.K. in combination with a viable and frequent test service.
Our economy is ruined , & thousands of unnecessary deaths which could have been prevented. The general public here still can’t get access to tests unless carted off to hospital. It’s a disgrace.
There is a reason countries like New Zealand did so well.
All I can say is whilst the U.K. is terrible it looks like there are plenty of countries making equally bad decisions.
Your comparison to New Zealand over states how will they did compared to the UK. The reason New Zealand did well is because they had 1 month longer to prepare for a response, as first cases did not hit New Zealand until a month after the US. Plenty more time to consider a response. Plenty more time to watch what other countries did wrong.
...and a far smaller population (less than 5Million) combined with much smaller cities and a more dispersed populace, Aulkland being the only exception.
Yes, a smaller country with a smaller population. They also had far fewer resources to call on than the U.S. Regardless, unlike the U.S. they did what needed to be done.
I don't know about your state George but in ours just 90 days since the first infection there's now a glut of ventilators, enough tests that anyone who wants one can be tested, no referral necessary, and our economy is prepping to reopen in slow but steady stages starting this weekend. Hardly seems like the total failure you portray it as.
You sound like Trump: "Anybody who wants a test can get a test!" ROFL.... 58,000 formerly living, breathing Americans disagree. So do the experts.
You still sound like George. Early on weren't you predicting upwards of a million dead Americans by now? We must have done something right, or and George was wrong. Remember those ventilators you kept hitting the administration with, that shortage you claimed would be responsible for killing millions of Americans IIRC? Seems they weren't so essential after all, and in fact may be more useless than useful in saving Covid19 patients.
What about those Covid tests our Chinese friends were offering us, and sending out to governments elsewhere in the world, the ones you insisted we should be kneeling down to accept with thanks. Since then it's been found that many o those Chinese tests are showing up contaminated and unreliable and governments are either refusing them or disposing of the ones they have. Early on (March) the CDC had it's own issues with a contaminated batch of tests due to a sourced component, and China may still be suffering cross-contamination in production along with taking advantage of the pandemic to distribute unapproved and poorly-produced kit sold at a premium.
And here's something to ponder: The best and brightest doctors in the world across multiple countries and continents don't even know how the virus is even killing us, and no country has a drug to treat it. No one, not even the Chinese who have been coping with it for the longest of all, knows exactly what they are dealing with. No proven treatment, no vaccine.
The more you think you know the less you find you factually do.
No I never predicted anything of the sort . But nice try!
And, Sorry, I listen to the professionals and the experts. If they say they need ventilators then it is Trump's job to get them instead of fiddling. He chose to fiddle.
As for tests: we were offered quality tests early on. But Trump refused them and his rather inept CDC (NOT THE CHINESE) put out contaminated tests. And, even after weeks of delay getting their error fixed, we still had no where even close to the number needed -- and still don't -- because Trump refused to lead. He only cared about the stock market, not American lives.
And, nobody knows how the Corona Virus kills people? Where did you get that nonsense?
But, at least you are right that the only treatment is prevention of the spread. Unfortunately, our government failed us badly and, so far, over 58,000 have paid the price for their negligence, incompetence and corruption.
The U.K. is an embarrassment so far in its response to Covid-19.
Add this to the list. Every decision whether it was access to tests/lockdown/borders/protective equipment etc ... too little and very late.
We needed that app weeks ago here in the U.K. in combination with a viable and frequent test service.
Our economy is ruined , & thousands of unnecessary deaths which could have been prevented. The general public here still can’t get access to tests unless carted off to hospital. It’s a disgrace.
There is a reason countries like New Zealand did so well.
All I can say is whilst the U.K. is terrible it looks like there are plenty of countries making equally bad decisions.
Your comparison to New Zealand over states how will they did compared to the UK. The reason New Zealand did well is because they had 1 month longer to prepare for a response, as first cases did not hit New Zealand until a month after the US. Plenty more time to consider a response. Plenty more time to watch what other countries did wrong.
...and a far smaller population (less than 5Million) combined with much smaller cities and a more dispersed populace, Aulkland being the only exception.
Yes, a smaller country with a smaller population. They also had far fewer resources to call on than the U.S. Regardless, unlike the U.S. they did what needed to be done.
I don't know about your state George but in ours just 90 days since the first infection there's now a glut of ventilators, enough tests that anyone who wants one can be tested, no referral necessary, and our economy is prepping to reopen in slow but steady stages starting this weekend. Hardly seems like the total failure you portray it as.
You sound like Trump: "Anybody who wants a test can get a test!" ROFL.... 58,000 formerly living, breathing Americans disagree. So do the experts.
You still sound like George. Early on weren't you predicting upwards of a million dead Americans by now? We must have done something right, or and George was wrong. Remember those ventilators you kept hitting the administration with, that shortage you claimed would be responsible for killing millions of Americans IIRC? Seems they weren't so essential after all, and in fact may be more useless than useful in saving Covid19 patients.
What about those Covid tests our Chinese friends were offering us, and sending out to governments elsewhere in the world, the ones you insisted we should be kneeling down to accept with thanks. Since then it's been found that many o those Chinese tests are showing up contaminated and unreliable and governments are either refusing them or disposing of the ones they have. Early on (March) the CDC had it's own issues with a contaminated batch of tests due to a sourced component, and China may still be suffering cross-contamination in production along with taking advantage of the pandemic to distribute unapproved and poorly-produced kit sold at a premium.
And here's something to ponder: The best and brightest doctors in the world across multiple countries and continents don't even know how the virus is even killing us, and no country has a drug to treat it. No one, not even the Chinese who have been coping with it for the longest of all, knows exactly what they are dealing with. No proven treatment, no vaccine.
The more you think you know the less you find you factually do.
No I never predicted anything of the sort . But nice try!
And, Sorry, I listen to the professionals and the experts. If they say they need ventilators then it is Trump's job to get them instead of fiddling. He chose to fiddle.
As for tests: we were offered quality tests early on. But Trump refused them and his rather inept CDC (NOT THE CHINESE) put out contaminated tests. And, even after weeks of delay getting their error fixed, we still had no where even close to the number needed -- and still don't -- because Trump refused to lead. He only cared about the stock market, not American lives.
And, nobody knows how the Corona Virus kills people? Where did you get that nonsense?
1. "No I never predicted anything of the sort . But nice try!" Certainly possible, I'd have to go back and look now. I did say if I recall correctly.
2. "As for tests: We were offered quality tests (by the Chinese) early on."
Where did you read we were offered "Quality tests by the Chinese"? Seriously.
4. "And, Sorry, I listen to the professionals and the experts. If they say they need ventilators...."
Don't apologize for not knowing any better. Again, read more. They aren't all saying they need ventilators and haven' for some time. In fact ventilators may be killing more patients than saving them.
Accuse me of saying things I never said and then attacking me for it.
Then spout nonsense and attack me for not saying it!
And no, since your entire post was filled with that bullshit I will not bother to respond in detail. As the saying goes: "Don't feed the troll -- just call Bull to the Bull". And I am.
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By the way China is still playing whack-a-mole as will every other country until a vaccine is developed.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/update-3-russian-border-becomes-chinas-frontline-in-fight-against-second-virus-wave
In a democracy that is the fault of the people -- either not caring or gullible enough to swallow politically motivated lies and propaganda.
I'm so glad then we have a Congress to help keep either one of them in check, and a confederation of States who hold some powers for themselves, and a multi-level judiciary to play umpire. There is no single person with lifelong (or until a coup) power here in the US as there is in some countries.
Now if we could just root out those Dems and Republicans in Congress and on the State level serving for decades and beholden to the wealthy and special interests rather than you and me. They talk a great game but nothing really changes because in general we're not the ones they are trying to please. There may be an outlier or two but not nearly enough.
And they value their backers' stock portfolios over both.
If they really valued people's lives then they would not have started out with the herd immunity (ie. let it kill all the old people and the rest of us will just get something that feels like the flu), and they would have got a testing scheme in place the minute what they were up against. (Basically, when it became clear that China was lying to the world)
Or just the ones who put stupid people in power.
Go to an app store. Get the app. Read the warning that it's going to be running all the time and will possibly drain your battery?
No one is going to install this. I certainly won't.
And, unfortunately our senate has absolved themselves of all their constitutional responsibility to the people. They are now just a tool of the executive branch. We saw that demonstrated in technicolor when they refused to hear evidence or conduct a trial when shown clearly that the president had used his office to rig an election and undermine our democracy.
Excuses don't solve anything.
That's so true it hurts....
The cold knife of reality right through the heart.
The U.S. also had ample warning that it was coming. Unfortunately we ignored those warnings.
The first case happened in S. Korea on the same day the first case happened in the U.S. They took action. We ducked. Or tried to.
Yes, a smaller country with a smaller population. They also had far fewer resources to call on than the U.S. Regardless, unlike the U.S. they did what needed to be done.
58,000 formerly living, breathing Americans disagree. So do the experts.
Remember those ventilators you kept hitting the administration with, that shortage you claimed would be responsible for killing millions of Americans IIRC? Seems they weren't so essential after all, and in fact may be more useless than useful in saving Covid19 patients.
What about those Covid tests our Chinese friends were offering us, and sending out to governments elsewhere in the world, the ones you insisted we should be kneeling down to accept with thanks. Since then it's been found that many o those Chinese tests are showing up contaminated and unreliable and governments are either refusing them or disposing of the ones they have. Early on (March) the CDC had it's own issues with a contaminated batch of tests due to a sourced component, and China may still be suffering cross-contamination in production along with taking advantage of the pandemic to distribute unapproved and poorly-produced kit sold at a premium.
And here's something to ponder: The best and brightest doctors in the world across multiple countries and continents don't even know how the virus is even killing us, and no country has a drug to treat it. No one, not even the Chinese who have been coping with it for the longest of all, knows exactly what they are dealing with. No proven treatment, no vaccine.
The more you think you know the less you find you factually do.
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-sweden-herd-immunity-20200429-ijnr4vhpvnafhnoaqbyjff63xy-story.html
Certainly possible, I'd have to go back and look now. I did say if I recall correctly.
2. "As for tests: We were offered quality tests (by the Chinese) early on."
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Contaminated-COVID-19-testing-kits-'made-in-China'-sold-in-US-49876.html
3. "And, nobody knows how the Corona Virus kills people? Where did you get that nonsense?"
Read more. You like facts, and here's some you are presumably not familiar with.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/we-still-dont-know-how-the-coronavirus-is-killing-us.html
4. "And, Sorry, I listen to the professionals and the experts. If they say they need ventilators...."
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200422/most-covid-19-patients-placed-on-ventilators-died-new-york-study-shows#1
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventilators-specia/special-report-as-virus-advances-doctors-rethink-rush-to-ventilate-idUSKCN2251PE
If you really did listen to the experts you'd already know. This isn't breaking news.