What to expect at WWDC 2020 - and what not to

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  • Reply 21 of 38
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,184administrator
    Appleish said:
    No services bundle?
    We don't think for WWDC. September/October event is more likely.
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  • Reply 22 of 38
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,502member
    johnbear said:
    I hope they stay with Intel otherwise the history will repeat
    What history is that?

    You took the bait and validated his post by responding.
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  • Reply 23 of 38
    anomeanome Posts: 1,545member
    johnbear said:
    I hope they stay with Intel otherwise the history will repeat
    What history is that?
    The history of successfully migrating to a different chip architecture with a minimum of fuss? Not to hammer home this old thing again, but Apple have shifted processors for the Mac twice already without any major problems, so we can expect a similar experience this time. It's possible it could all go tits up this time round, but that wouldn't be history repeating.
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  • Reply 24 of 38
    kenaustuskenaustus Posts: 924member
    I believe that a 2 hour Keynote will be fairly dull without at east some people in the audience - and not just Apple employees.

    My guess is that Apple will look for some pro-Apple folks to scatter around the room.  Good options?  How about the new grads, or soon to be grads at schools that Apple recruits from,    They will also want some positive verbal responses at the normal places in the speech. Stanford is the first to come to mind, but there will be others close by. 
      
    New products?  I think that Apple will announce products that get immediate internet sales - there are too many Apple stores that are closed and Apple will want some sales, no matter how small, after the Keynote. 

    National lockdown also presents a good opportunity for Apple to release new training programs for computers and iOS.  Catch folks who are not heading back to work and give them a start in programming.


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  • Reply 25 of 38
    nicholfdnicholfd Posts: 832member
    dewme said:
    I’d like to see Apple officially support running macOS virtual machines on VMware Workstation and VirtualBox so software developers can develop for iOS, iPadOS, and macOS using XCode on Windows and Linux. 
    macOS is officially supported as a virtual machine under VMware Fusion.  You'll never see it allowed/supported outside of Apple hardware.  

    If you want to develop for Apple hardware, why wouldn't you use Apple hardware to do it?!?!?!?!
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  • Reply 26 of 38
    looplessloopless Posts: 369member
    Apparently you are not a developer unless you have some kind of facial jewelry.
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  • Reply 27 of 38
    Love to know if Apple will update/refresh the AppleTV box, or should I just go get this latest generation, that is quite long in the tooth?
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  • Reply 28 of 38
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,487member
    I’m mostly interested to know how the Keynote will be made available to view. I’ll be on vacation, so I wouldn’t be able to watch it live, but I could certainly watch a replay of it that night. 
    It's always available shortly afterwards on apple.com and WWDC apps and YouTube... not sure why it'd be any different this year.
    I’m mostly interested to know how the Keynote will be made available to view. I’ll be on vacation, so I wouldn’t be able to watch it live, but I could certainly watch a replay of it that night. 
    Apple streams Keynote speeches on their website and on the APPLE TV.
    I know that’s how it has been in the past but obviously everything is different this year and so far we haven’t gotten any detail on the keynote.
    There's nothing different about the keynote other than the lack of a physical audience. There's no reason streaming/availability would be different this year.
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  • Reply 29 of 38
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Put a virtual audience in there, like has been done with some sports matches!

    They could be clapping, shouting, applauding and Tim Cook could tell them to shut off their virtual Phones, because of WIFI disruptions. Hopefully the virtual crowd wont be full of weirdos with green hair.

    Apple has a chance to make this event exciting and interesting, even though it'll be the first Apple WWDC without an audience. And since it doesn't have to be live, the whole thing can be planned out and edited beforehand, to keep it interesting and to keep the flow going, just like a feature film would be. 
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  • Reply 30 of 38
    I want the brand designers at Apple and I want Tim Cook and everybody else to hear my view on the nixing of Intel's processor chips.

    This has got to be, without a doubt one of the most regressive and monetary selfish moves that Tim Cook ever did.
    A) By nixing the Intel processors, it means that Intel's proprietary features, those tiny hardware building blocks that make Intel's processors more safe, will be gone from Macs.
    B) Intel will always perform better on next generation iterations, and Apple's argument that their custom Intel chips have taken too much time to be handed over to Apple is not relevant. The power of the processors is relevant.
    C) Intel is an American company, and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing (TSM) is an Taiwan. Apple will be spending our American dollars and NOT putting our money BACK into our economy. This is the result of Tim Cook's past behavior at IBM. He is a selfish cash flow hoarder.
    D) Apple's last argument that they will do better at having their TSM-based coded apps unified between iOS and MacOS is BASELESS. Apple has the capacity to CREATE an emulated environment app for MacOS, which could port an emulated TSM processor, if they needed to create cross platform unification, that is the way to go. It would be far less costly also.

    Tim Cook has ruined everything that I have learned to respect from the MacOS architecture, ever since I left the PC systems when I was 19 years old. I had been an extremely versed PC user from the age of seven years old, to the age of 19 years old. I personally lived the computer-era from START to FINISH, and I am convinced that Apple MacOS is superior to all other computers. Yet ever year Tim Cook goes above and beyond to erase the legacy of Steve Jobs. He is the most selfish money hoarded in any company. I hate you with all my life, for ruining the best computer ever designed. You do not need TSM processors for cross platform unification, you are a persistent liar, and you could create an emulated environment to accomplish that goal. You are going to ruin all of our progress and you are going to annoy a lot of app developers. Apple's market share is right near 20% and Apple, Tim Cook, you should be doing your best to grow that base, not shrink it.




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  • Reply 31 of 38
    JBSloughjbslough Posts: 92member
    I want the brand designers at Apple and I want Tim Cook and everybody else to hear my view on the nixing of Intel's processor chips.

    This has got to be, without a doubt one of the most regressive and monetary selfish moves that Tim Cook ever did.
    A) By nixing the Intel processors, it means that Intel's proprietary features, those tiny hardware building blocks that make Intel's processors more safe, will be gone from Macs.
    B) Intel will always perform better on next generation iterations, and Apple's argument that their custom Intel chips have taken too much time to be handed over to Apple is not relevant. The power of the processors is relevant.
    C) Intel is an American company, and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing (TSM) is an Taiwan. Apple will be spending our American dollars and NOT putting our money BACK into our economy. This is the result of Tim Cook's past behavior at IBM. He is a selfish cash flow hoarder.
    D) Apple's last argument that they will do better at having their TSM-based coded apps unified between iOS and MacOS is BASELESS. Apple has the capacity to CREATE an emulated environment app for MacOS, which could port an emulated TSM processor, if they needed to create cross platform unification, that is the way to go. It would be far less costly also.

    Tim Cook has ruined everything that I have learned to respect from the MacOS architecture, ever since I left the PC systems when I was 19 years old. I had been an extremely versed PC user from the age of seven years old, to the age of 19 years old. I personally lived the computer-era from START to FINISH, and I am convinced that Apple MacOS is superior to all other computers. Yet ever year Tim Cook goes above and beyond to erase the legacy of Steve Jobs. He is the most selfish money hoarded in any company. I hate you with all my life, for ruining the best computer ever designed. You do not need TSM processors for cross platform unification, you are a persistent liar, and you could create an emulated environment to accomplish that goal. You are going to ruin all of our progress and you are going to annoy a lot of app developers. Apple's market share is right near 20% and Apple, Tim Cook, you should be doing your best to grow that base, not shrink it. 
    Wow. You seem to be giving the impression that TSM designed Apple’s ARM chips. They don’t. They’re just a foundry. All this spending American dollars. You know, it’s funny really, they sell devices world wide. It’s not like Apple earns all its profits in the United States. In fact almost all the parts that go into Macs are made outside the US. Intel has been dropping the ball, I don’t blame Apple for moving on. As far as the power of the processors go, the A series right now is faster than the x86 in the MBP.
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    Rayz2016alexonline
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  • Reply 32 of 38
    Rayz2016rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    loopless said:
    Apparently you are not a developer unless you have some kind of facial jewelry.
    Glad someone else spotted this. 

    This picture tells you a lot about the developers Apple is courting for its platform.
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  • Reply 33 of 38
    Rayz2016rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    beachboy1122 said:
    I want the brand designers at Apple and I want Tim Cook and everybody else to hear my view on the nixing of Intel's processor chips. 

    Go for it. Knock yourself out.

    This has got to be, without a doubt one of the most regressive and monetary selfish moves that Tim Cook ever did. 


    Tim Cook has ever *made*

    A) By nixing the Intel processors, it means that Intel's proprietary features, those tiny hardware building blocks that make Intel's processors more safe, will be gone from Macs.

    'safer' not 'more safe'.

    But 'safe' you say …

    https://www.windowscentral.com/serious-intel-cpu-security-flaw-affects-millions-and-cant-be-fixed
    https://uk.pcmag.com/security-5/125159/intel-chip-flaw-could-allow-access-to-encrypted-data-cant-be-patched
    https://meltdownattack.com

    C) Intel is an American company, and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing (TSM) is an Taiwan. Apple will be spending our American dollars and NOT putting our money BACK into our economy. This is the result of Tim Cook's past behavior at IBM. He is a selfish cash flow hoarder. 

    Mmmm. 

    Not putting money back into the US economy you say …

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/04/heres-how-many-jobs-apple-has-created-so-far.html
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/30/apples-plan-to-repatriate-285-billion-could-be-a-boost-for-investors.html
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2018/01/17/apple-says-it-will-bring-cash-back-to-us-pay-38-billion-in-repatriation-tax/


    D) Apple's last argument that they will do better at having their TSM-based coded apps unified between iOS and MacOS is BASELESS. Apple has the capacity to CREATE an emulated environment app for MacOS, which could port an emulated TSM processor, if they needed to create cross platform unification, that is the way to go. It would be far less costly also. 

    So rather than unifying the processors and taking control of the architecture from the ground up, your solution is to write an ARM emulator and take the performance hit of running it on Intel processors? This kind of thinking, my friend, is why you're not running a trillion dollar company.


    Tim Cook has ruined everything that I have learned to respect from the MacOS architecture

    Yup

    I had been an extremely versed PC user from the age of seven years old, to the age of 19 years old.

    Uh huh.

    Yet ever year Tim Cook goes above and beyond to erase the legacy of Steve Jobs. He is the most selfish money hoarded in any company

    Okey Dokey

    I hate you with all my life

    So he shouldn't expect a Christmas card from you then …

    You really should send this to Tim Cook. I bet he could do with a laugh right now.

    Okay, I think we're done here. Anything to add Ru?


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  • Reply 34 of 38
    Rayz2016 said:
    beachboy1122 said:
    I want the brand designers at Apple and I want Tim Cook and everybody else to hear my view on the nixing of Intel's processor chips. 

    Go for it. Knock yourself out.

    This has got to be, without a doubt one of the most regressive and monetary selfish moves that Tim Cook ever did. 


    Tim Cook has ever *made*

    A) By nixing the Intel processors, it means that Intel's proprietary features, those tiny hardware building blocks that make Intel's processors more safe, will be gone from Macs.

    'safer' not 'more safe'.

    But 'safe' you say …

    https://www.windowscentral.com/serious-intel-cpu-security-flaw-affects-millions-and-cant-be-fixed
    https://uk.pcmag.com/security-5/125159/intel-chip-flaw-could-allow-access-to-encrypted-data-cant-be-patched
    https://meltdownattack.com

    C) Intel is an American company, and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing (TSM) is an Taiwan. Apple will be spending our American dollars and NOT putting our money BACK into our economy. This is the result of Tim Cook's past behavior at IBM. He is a selfish cash flow hoarder. 

    Mmmm. 

    Not putting money back into the US economy you say …

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/04/heres-how-many-jobs-apple-has-created-so-far.html
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/30/apples-plan-to-repatriate-285-billion-could-be-a-boost-for-investors.html
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2018/01/17/apple-says-it-will-bring-cash-back-to-us-pay-38-billion-in-repatriation-tax/


    D) Apple's last argument that they will do better at having their TSM-based coded apps unified between iOS and MacOS is BASELESS. Apple has the capacity to CREATE an emulated environment app for MacOS, which could port an emulated TSM processor, if they needed to create cross platform unification, that is the way to go. It would be far less costly also. 

    So rather than unifying the processors and taking control of the architecture from the ground up, your solution is to write an ARM emulator and take the performance hit of running it on Intel processors? This kind of thinking, my friend, is why you're not running a trillion dollar company.


    Tim Cook has ruined everything that I have learned to respect from the MacOS architecture

    Yup

    I had been an extremely versed PC user from the age of seven years old, to the age of 19 years old.

    Uh huh.

    Yet ever year Tim Cook goes above and beyond to erase the legacy of Steve Jobs. He is the most selfish money hoarded in any company

    Okey Dokey

    I hate you with all my life

    So he shouldn't expect a Christmas card from you then …

    You really should send this to Tim Cook. I bet he could do with a laugh right now.

    Okay, I think we're done here. Anything to add Ru?


    Not to mention, as of now Apple has yet to announce an ARM Mac. That post mentions Apple’s supposed “arguments” for switching, I’d like to see where Apple has said anything like that. 
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  • Reply 35 of 38
    Rayz2016rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    Rayz2016 said:
    beachboy1122 said:
    I want the brand designers at Apple and I want Tim Cook and everybody else to hear my view on the nixing of Intel's processor chips. 

    Go for it. Knock yourself out.

    This has got to be, without a doubt one of the most regressive and monetary selfish moves that Tim Cook ever did. 


    Tim Cook has ever *made*

    A) By nixing the Intel processors, it means that Intel's proprietary features, those tiny hardware building blocks that make Intel's processors more safe, will be gone from Macs.

    'safer' not 'more safe'.

    But 'safe' you say …

    https://www.windowscentral.com/serious-intel-cpu-security-flaw-affects-millions-and-cant-be-fixed
    https://uk.pcmag.com/security-5/125159/intel-chip-flaw-could-allow-access-to-encrypted-data-cant-be-patched
    https://meltdownattack.com

    C) Intel is an American company, and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing (TSM) is an Taiwan. Apple will be spending our American dollars and NOT putting our money BACK into our economy. This is the result of Tim Cook's past behavior at IBM. He is a selfish cash flow hoarder. 

    Mmmm. 

    Not putting money back into the US economy you say …

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/04/heres-how-many-jobs-apple-has-created-so-far.html
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/30/apples-plan-to-repatriate-285-billion-could-be-a-boost-for-investors.html
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2018/01/17/apple-says-it-will-bring-cash-back-to-us-pay-38-billion-in-repatriation-tax/


    D) Apple's last argument that they will do better at having their TSM-based coded apps unified between iOS and MacOS is BASELESS. Apple has the capacity to CREATE an emulated environment app for MacOS, which could port an emulated TSM processor, if they needed to create cross platform unification, that is the way to go. It would be far less costly also. 

    So rather than unifying the processors and taking control of the architecture from the ground up, your solution is to write an ARM emulator and take the performance hit of running it on Intel processors? This kind of thinking, my friend, is why you're not running a trillion dollar company.


    Tim Cook has ruined everything that I have learned to respect from the MacOS architecture

    Yup

    I had been an extremely versed PC user from the age of seven years old, to the age of 19 years old.

    Uh huh.

    Yet ever year Tim Cook goes above and beyond to erase the legacy of Steve Jobs. He is the most selfish money hoarded in any company

    Okey Dokey

    I hate you with all my life

    So he shouldn't expect a Christmas card from you then …

    You really should send this to Tim Cook. I bet he could do with a laugh right now.

    Okay, I think we're done here. Anything to add Ru?


    Not to mention, as of now Apple has yet to announce an ARM Mac. That post mentions Apple’s supposed “arguments” for switching, I’d like to see where Apple has said anything like that. 
    Well quite. 

    They might announce this. They might not. 
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  • Reply 36 of 38
    gregalexandergregalexander Posts: 1,401member
    But 
    Apple TV doesn't have that annual cycle, so Apple will announce that whenever it thinks it will get the most attention..
    Google is close to launching its <$100 Google Nest TV (Sabrina), a dongle device like the Chromecast but with an interface similar to The AppleTV App. 

    Apple was rumoured to be working on a cheaper dongle device. Perhaps now is the time to grab the attention from Google.  

    Still if you guys aren’t talking about this as a rumour I doubt it’s happening. 
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  • Reply 37 of 38
    gregalexandergregalexander Posts: 1,401member
    kenaustus said:
    I believe that a 2 hour Keynote will be fairly dull without at east some people in the audience - and not just Apple employees.

    My guess is that Apple will look for some pro-Apple folks to scatter around the room.
    Doing a normal keynote filmed live speaking to an empty room is the simplest version of moving online. A quick substitution of what they normally do. 

    My bet is that the keynote has already been made. They can create a 2 hour presentation that is more like a movie, or a morning show, or a SpaceX launch. 

    Not restricted to a stage format in any way.

    Teachers online have been struggling to switch to online systems these past months and some do a very rudimentary scam of work, asking students to print it, do it, and upload a photo of it. Very basic. But some really take their lessons to new levels of sophistication, unshackling from the old way.  Look up the SAMR model is you’re interested. 

    I hope Apple does something really creative and different with the keynote that achieves its same goals but in a new way entirely. Redefine how a keynote is done. 
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  • Reply 38 of 38
    The Developer Transition Kit wasn’t in a plain Intel box, it was in a Powermac G5 case. 
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