TSMC US effort seeking subsidy, similar to Foxconn Wisconsin deal

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Apple's processor manufacturing partner TSMC assures that the company still plans on opening a $12 billion factory in Arizona -- but is looking for big government subsidies to do it.

TSMC US effort seeking government subsidy, similar to Foxconn Wisconsin deal


TSMC -- Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co Ltd -- says that discussions with the United States government over subsidies for its new plant in Arizona are ongoing, despite previous security concerns.

"We hope federal and state governments could make up TSMC's running costs difference between the United States and Taiwan," said Liu, according to Reuters.

He also added that while the new plant won't be doing business directly with the military, some of their clients could supply TSMC-made components to the military.

Apple has long been using supplier TSMC to manufacture its A-series processors-- specifically 7-nanometer ones. Apple has also been known to be developing a 5nm processor with the company, and now industry sources report that orders have increased.

In May, TSMC officially announced that it will open an advanced semiconductor fabrication plant in Arizona, expected to cost over $12 billion. The plant could produce its first batch of chips as early as 2024. However, U.S. senators called on President Donald Trump to answer "serious questions" about a planned Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. chip plant, with the group seeking transparency on potential national security and financial issues.

Citing possible national security concerns -- TSMC is a supplier to U.S. black-listed Huawei -- and undisclosed subsidies, the senators asked the government to consider "companies that already have built a significant presence in the U.S." Those firms include Micron, GlobalFoundries, and Cree.

Foxconn took giant subsidies worth billions to open a manufacturing plant in the U.S. So far, the project has barely broken ground, is far behind hiring requirements, and the centers on the properties are mostly unused.

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  • Reply 1 of 10
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    Where will they find reliable, skilled, trainable workers in the U.S.?
    jony0
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  • Reply 2 of 10
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,001administrator
    lkrupp said:
    Where will they find reliable, skilled, trainable workers in the U.S.?
    Apparently, they think that labor pool is in Arizona. Otherwise, no idea.
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  • Reply 3 of 10
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,461member
    lkrupp said:
    Where will they find reliable, skilled, trainable workers in the U.S.?
    Apparently, they think that labor pool is in Arizona. Otherwise, no idea.
    I guessing that poaching Intel employees is part and parcel of that future foundry.

    https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/corporate-responsibility/intel-in-arizona.html
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  • Reply 4 of 10
    davgregdavgreg Posts: 1,056member
    America needs to wean corporations off of the welfare tit..

    It seems every business wants tax abatements or rebates and all kind of subsidy.  Some states even rebate the payroll taxes of employees back to the employer as an incentive.

    They should pay fair taxes like everyone else. If we are a capitalist economy we should start acting like it or stop pretending.  
    tokyojimudavenwatto_cobra
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  • Reply 5 of 10
    mknelsonmknelson Posts: 1,161member
    lkrupp said:
    Where will they find reliable, skilled, trainable workers in the U.S.?
    /s?

    Usually that complaint is targeted at the assembly stages with many tiny parts, not the component fabrication stage.
    jony0watto_cobra
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  • Reply 6 of 10
    Too much money for too few jobs. Easy pass normally, but it remains to be seen if Arizona is just as dumb as Wisconsin.
    watto_cobra
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  • Reply 7 of 10
    larryjwlarryjw Posts: 1,037member
    It’s called negotiating power. 

    For two generations, businesses have been transferring manufacturing overseas, where the skills are and making tons of money for investors and losing skills in the US, or never developing them in the first place, the US is in no position to dictate terms. 

    “If you want to manufacture on US soil with US labor, pay up!” 
    watto_cobra
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  • Reply 8 of 10
    larryjw said: For two generations, businesses have been transferring manufacturing overseas, where the skills are and making tons of money for investors and losing skills in the US, or never developing them in the first place, the US is in no position to dictate terms. 

    “If you want to manufacture on US soil with US labor, pay up!” 
    More like "if you want to manufacture on U.S. soil, do it with robots". Manufacturing output today in the U.S. is double what it was in the 1980s, but with 1/3 of the jobs.
    jony0
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  • Reply 9 of 10
    sconosciutosconosciuto Posts: 356member
    considering how Arizona's leadership has proven repeatedly that it will gladly slash public education funding in order to give taxpayer money away to corporations, I'd say TSMC has found an excellent mark... er, I mean place to strike a deal similar to the fantastic Foxconn-WI 'partnership'.



    https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/12/21217060/foxconn-wisconsin-innovation-centers-empty-buildings
    davenmuthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 10 of 10
    seanismorrisseanismorris Posts: 1,624member
    lkrupp said:
    Where will they find reliable, skilled, trainable workers in the U.S.?
    Mexico?
    jony0larryjw
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