Latest Poop From MOSR:

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
(From <a href="http://macosrumors.com/)" target="_blank">http://macosrumors.com/)</a>



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Quad-processor PowerMac G4s? Yeah, you heard right. Quad processors; every high-end Mac fanatic's dream. Recent revelations from old-school friends at Apple whom we haven't talked to in a while seem to suggest that the new "Apollo" PowerPC 7470 processors and Apple's new PowerMac motherboard controller chip may make more than two G4 processors a reasonable price/performance proposition...and if the 7470 doesn't do it, its next-generation brother, the PPC 7500, is purported to be less than a year away with its 500MHz RapidIO bus.

We don't expect to see quad processors at the August Apple Event, but the new PowerMac enclosure has clearly been designed to dissipate a whooooole lotta heat. The new 7470s are hot chips to be sure, but even at 1.6GHz, our reports indicate that this is not dramatically worse than with the 1GHz 7450 used in today's PowerMacs. This would seem to suggest, along with the new heatsink's almost ridiculously large dimensions, that quad processors are on the horizon.

No G4 iBooks. For those who don't have to follow Apple's quieter public statements as closely as certain computer journalists (yours truly), you may have missed the relevant interview earlier this year when an Apple executive stated quite clearly that the company expects to keep the iBook using G3 processors for quite some time. We interpret this to mean at least a year....so don't expect G4 iBooks until the latter half of 2003, at the earliest.

SuperDrive on PowerBook G4s? A lot of readers want to know when Apple is going to get around to putting DVD-R capabilities into the ultraslim PBG4 Titanium. From what we've heard, Apple's next PBG4 update will not only reach 1GHz in the processor arena, but it will also include the world's first ultraslim portable DVD burner. Granted, the Superdrive model can be expected to ship much later than its DVD-ROM/CD-RW cousins, but it's definitely coming.

When, might you ask? Probably at an Apple Event in late winter of next year, some time between February and early April. Macworld San Francisco in January isn't out of the question, but it would leave the new Superdrive models lagging so severely that it could hurt sales beyond acceptable limits....
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  • Reply 1 of 23
    MOSR, very optimistic, but they have a bad tendancy of giving people expectations higher than they should have. MOSR's 'sources' are about as reputable as I am, (and I'm kind of a sleazebag) and the info they pass on from them is all over the place.



    This is how a typical MOSR post goes:



    1. MOSR says "insiders at Apple have told us Steve will release quad G5s at 800 Thz this Macworld..."



    2. Apple releases speed bumped PowerMacs



    3. MOSR says "Apple is holding back!!!" instead of "We need new sources, cuz our current ones are full of crap."



    Incidentally, i hope they're right about the quad processors.



    [ 07-29-2002: Message edited by: Agent Cooper ]</p>
  • Reply 2 of 23
    crusadercrusader Posts: 1,129member
    Quad processors make sense with a friggin' 7 lb heatsink :eek:
  • Reply 3 of 23
    serranoserrano Posts: 1,806member
    I doubt it.
  • Reply 4 of 23
    junkyard dawgjunkyard dawg Posts: 2,801member
    Yeah but these are "old-school" friends at Apple who Meader hasn't talked to in a while.



    At least not since he posted that drivel about an octa-CPU Powermac in the shape of a dodecahedron.
  • Reply 5 of 23
    [quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:

    <strong>Yeah but these are "old-school" friends at Apple who Meader hasn't talked to in a while.



    At least not since he posted that drivel about an octa-CPU Powermac in the shape of a dodecahedron.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    OH! Those old freinds... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />



    "Latest poop from MOSR" is right. notice where i place the italics.



    [ 07-29-2002: Message edited by: Agent Cooper ]</p>
  • Reply 6 of 23
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    MOSR has been jizzing over QUAD PPC boxes (and bigger) ever since the PPC was 1st introduced... The day it happens they'll have a 'we called it' story all about it.



    I guess they'll have to be right some year... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />



    D
  • Reply 7 of 23
    gandhigandhi Posts: 6member
    [quote]Originally posted by Agent Cooper:

    [QB]MOSR, very optimistic, but they have a bad tendancy of giving people expectations higher than they should have. MOSR's 'sources' are about as reputable as I am, (and I'm kind of a sleazebag) and the info they pass on from them is all over the place.<hr></blockquote>



    The main problem with all of this is that you assume that MOSR has sources, albeit bad ones. MOSR's sources consist of Meader's left hand, which has considerably more palm hair than his right.
  • Reply 8 of 23
    brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
    The article seems to suggest that the 7470 = Apollo, when everyone here knows that the chip in the current machines is the Apollo.
  • Reply 9 of 23
    macroninmacronin Posts: 1,174member
    This is what I would love to see...!



    But I am sure that I won't be showing up anytime soon... ;^(



    PowerMac G4 Workstation



    Quad Motorola PowerPC G4 7470 CPUs @ 1.6GHz

    512KB on-die 1:1 L2 cache per CPU

    4MB backside 2:1 L3 cache per CPU

    333MHz DDR Front Side Bus

    4GB PC2700 333MHz DDR SDRAM (4 @ 1GB DIMMs)

    Dual ATA133 interfaces (hardware RAID implemented in system controller; supports 4 devices)

    Four (4) 120GB ATA133 HDDs (RAID Level 0/Striped; 7,200rpm; 8MB cache per HDD)

    Single ATA100 interface (supports 2 devices)

    SuperDrive2 optical drive

    CD-R/RW optical drive

    AGP Pro110 8x graphics slot

    nVidia/Apple Quartz Extreme OpenGL card (256MB DDR RAM; dual NV30 GPUs; dual ADC ports)

    Two (2) Apple Cinema HD Displays (23"/1920x1200/32bit)

    Four (4) PCI-X expansion slots (133MHz/64bit; dual busses; two slots per bus)

    Two (2) FireWire2 ports (800Mbps)

    Two (2) FireWire ports (400Mbps)

    Four (4) USB ports (12Mbps)

    10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet; RJ45 port

    Airport2/BlueTooth integrated into single PC Card

    Keyboard (USB standard/BlueTooth optional)

    Mouse (USB standard/BlueTooth optional; three-button optional)

    Mac OS X v10.2 (JagWire) standard





    Maya Unlimited

    Shake

    Final Cut Pro

    Cinema Tools

    DVD Studio Pro

    Photoshop

    Illustrator



    I would figure the list above would run about US$27,500.00(!), which would be a very good price for a quality workstation w/ dual displays, and a full load of DCC software...



    Important, when one is footing the hardware/software bill oneself...!



    And WAY cheaper than any other loaded Unix 3D workstation out there...
  • Reply 10 of 23
    [quote]Originally posted by dstranathan:

    <strong>(From <a href="http://macosrumors.com/)" target="_blank">http://macosrumors.com/)</a>



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    Quad-processor PowerMac G4s? Yeah, you heard right. Quad processors; every high-end Mac fanatic's dream. Recent revelations from old-school friends at Apple whom we haven't talked to in a while

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Indeed. Meader does have a fanciful imagination, I suppose Ryan and his intrepid team of Space Monkeys have once again infiltrated Apple HQ with the help of the Hot Chicks and Ninjas of OS X to bring us this latest piece of tripe.

    i've followed MOSR for years and I cannot remember when any of their sources got it right I wonder what Ryan's excuse will be this time if his predictions do not come true. Any Takers?
  • Reply 11 of 23
    derrick 61derrick 61 Posts: 178member
    The current Mac mobo can't even keep dualie 1GHz G4s well-fed...



    So, the quad 1.6GHz'ers come out, and only show 20% improvement in performance!
  • Reply 12 of 23
    MOSR does come out and say they don't expect Quads in August, so - while MOSR deserves some spanky-spanky for getting us all hot and bothered in the past, at least now they're saying:



    "Here's some leg, just don't expect any"



    Which is perhaps as honest as we can expect a rumours site to be.



    Never the less ... does anybody know anything about the 7470? Cause since we pretty much know the next Apple's gonna be a heat pumpin' sweat-box, it's bound to have some new kind of chip in it ... and the 7470 looks pretty likely.



    And now, back to growing hair on my other palm.



    Hugs



    [edit: grammar]



    [ 07-29-2002: Message edited by: OverToasty ]</p>
  • Reply 13 of 23
    algolalgol Posts: 833member
    What I want to know is what that shiny stainless steel plate on the front of the case is for. Doesn't look like it even has a CD drive. Also it looks like it has a lock on it. Maybe it opens up some how to reveal the drives.
  • Reply 14 of 23
    [quote]Originally posted by DaveGee:

    <strong>MOSR has been jizzing over QUAD PPC boxes (and bigger) ever since the PPC was 1st introduced... The day it happens they'll have a 'we called it' story all about it.



    I guess they'll have to be right some year... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />



    D</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Anyone remember a little company called Daystar Digital?

    <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
  • Reply 15 of 23
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,756member
    While MOSR gets the vast majority of it's rumous directly from Meaders @ss, they have occasionally got one right. Didin't they call the original iMac or the Cube? Did they not also call Jobs return way back? I remember when MOSR actually got respect. I think I even saw them make time on a technlogy show on Discovery or TLC...but that was back in the day..way before Jobs return and his leak killing methods. Once Jobs returned, MOSR seemed to just start making stuff up to fill pages.
  • Reply 16 of 23
    MOSR got the Cube right in concept, but wrong in specs- they had it sized about 200% of what it actually ended up being.



    No one got the (original) iMac- speculation was that code-name Columbus was a set-top box (i.e. "discovery of a new world"), and when it came out in the "Pro. Go. Whoa." homepage stunt, it was a complete surprise all around.
  • Reply 17 of 23
    brbr Posts: 8,395member
    [quote]Originally posted by Derrick 61:

    <strong>The current Mac mobo can't even keep dualie 1GHz G4s well-fed...



    So, the quad 1.6GHz'ers come out, and only show 20% improvement in performance! </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Give them a little credit. When meader made up the story...errrrrr...talked to his sources, his sources told him that the quads would come with RapidIO!
  • Reply 18 of 23
    spotbugspotbug Posts: 361member
    [quote]Originally posted by Agent Cooper:

    <strong>3. MOSR says "Apple is holding back!!!" instead of "We need new sources, cuz our current ones are full of crap."</strong><hr></blockquote>



    MOSR convinced me long ago that they have no sources at all. Or, what they call "sources", the rest of us would call, "people that send us emails."
  • Reply 19 of 23
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Well, since Steve is an a$$hole, we might as well humor this pice of garbage from MOSR.



    Lets say that the current 133bus does a decent job of feeding the dual Ghz PM. Tht is, 'Decent' for what it is -- an antiquated 133SDR bus. Still, people who know a lot more about this than me insist it's a remarkably good (old) bus, very efficient. SO,



    IF mot could supply a doubl pumped 133 or 166MPX bus Apple could then fully utilize DDR266 or DDR333. Seeing as they can feed two 1Ghz g4's decently, then such a memory system would probably let them get decent performance out of 4 G4 chips. If said chips were all on ONE daughtercard and shared a really big L3 (acting almot like a psuedo multi-core chip), hmmm...



    Could be interesting. The Ghz SOI G4 uses 20watts. Compare with a P4 @ between 50-80 watts, and it's at least possible to put 4 G4's into close quarters with each other.



    Still meader is full of crap, and he probably just got the idea from me making the same argument a few months ago.
  • Reply 20 of 23
    programmerprogrammer Posts: 3,409member
    [quote]Originally posted by Matsu:

    <strong>IF mot could supply a doubl pumped 133 or 166MPX bus Apple could then fully utilize DDR266 or DDR333. Seeing as they can feed two 1Ghz g4's decently, then such a memory system would probably let them get decent performance out of 4 G4 chips. If said chips were all on ONE daughtercard and shared a really big L3 (acting almot like a psuedo multi-core chip), hmmm...</strong><hr></blockquote>



    They wouldn't share the L3 cache because each processor has its own controller for that cache. The cache's advantage is that it is private to the CPU and gets a high speed data channel.



    If Apple can double the bandwidth (due to a new processor version), then they can double the processors -- why is this so objectionable? Obviously this would significantly increase the cost and heat output, but with all the talk of the large heatsink in the supposed new machine at least one of those problems is dealt with. The cost issue is probably about another US$1000-1500, so this would become a new workstation level machine. As mentioned above, DayStar managed to build a quad 604e machine years ago, so a quad G4 machine is doable given enough bandwidth to keep them all fed. It would be better if MERSI was put back in, but the 604e got along without it and its caches were much much smaller (only 64K L1!) compared to the 7455's huge L1/L2/L3 system.
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