European Commission launches antitrust probes over Apple's App Store and Apple Pay

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The EU's antitrust authorities has officially launched two investigations into Apple, specifically surrounding the App Store and with Apple Pay.

The EU is investigating how Apple Pay is the only system allowed to use the contactless payment technology in iPhones
The EU is investigating how Apple Pay is the only system allowed to use the contactless payment technology in iPhones


Apple is now facing formal investigation into alleged anticompetitive practices over both the App Store and Apple Pay. The European Union's antitrust authority has announced the two conduct investigations, and this is the start of a process that potentially could lead to Apple being fined up to 10% of its annual revenue.

"It appears that Apple sets the conditions on how Apple Pay should be used in merchants' apps and websites," said EU Executive Vice-President Margrethe Vestager in a statement. "It also reserves the "tap and go" functionality of iPhones to Apple Pay."

"It is important that Apple's measures do not deny consumers the benefits of new payment technologies, including better choice, quality, innovation and competitive prices," she continued. "I have therefore decided to take a close look at Apple's practices regarding Apple Pay and their impact on competition."

In a separate announcement about the App Store investigation, Vestager said that Apple appears to have created a "gatekeeper" role for itself regarding "the distribution of apps and content to users of Apple's popular devices."

"We need to ensure that Apple's rules do not distort competition in markets where Apple is competing with other app developers, for example with its music streaming service Apple Music or with Apple Books," she said.

Apple has responded to the investigation with a very brief statement, critical of the complainants and the European Commission itself.

"It is disappointing the European Commission is advancing baseless complaints from a handful of companies who simply want a free ride, and don't want to play by the same rules as everyone else," Apple said to AppleInsider and other venues.

These two probes follow on from complaints by Spotify that Apple allegedly employs restrictive and anticompetitive rules for developers on the App Store. Spotify filed its complaint in 2019 and Apple has publicly denied its accusations. That Spotify complaint has most recently been followed by the Japanese retail firm Rakuten, which has now made an antitrust complaint to the EU against Apple.

The EU has not announced any timescale for the investigations, and together with any possibly court cases, the probes are likely to take several years.
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  • Reply 1 of 56
    Oh for crying out loud!! 
    lolliver
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  • Reply 2 of 56
    Joe Piervincentijoe piervincenti Posts: 26unconfirmed, member
    This is the kind of thing that won’t go anywhere.. notice how they don’t have the same issue with Google Pay on a Pixel, etc... can’t use Apple Pay on those but that’s fine... 
    StrangeDayslolliveranantksundaram
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  • Reply 3 of 56
    gwydiongwydion Posts: 1,101member
    This is the kind of thing that won’t go anywhere.. notice how they don’t have the same issue with Google Pay on a Pixel, etc... can’t use Apple Pay on those but that’s fine... 
    You can't because Apple has not developed the app. If they do, you can use Apple Pay in any Android smartphone with NFC
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  • Reply 4 of 56
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    This is the kind of thing that won’t go anywhere.. notice how they don’t have the same issue with Google Pay on a Pixel, etc... can’t use Apple Pay on those but that’s fine... 
    Of course they wouldn't be talking about Pixels in the investigation of Apple. That's what forum members do. ;)
    muthuk_vanalingammpw_amherstCarnage
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  • Reply 5 of 56
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    Based on Libertarian, Free Market principles, if that's all one is looking at, then yes, Apple's practices are anti-competitive.

    But, if one looks at the whole picture then, like any and every government, Apple sets rules.   And those Rules & Restrictions are designed to protect both the brand and the consumers who buy that brand.   One simply can't separate the two.

    Perhaps a good analogy is to look at AT&T:   various private enterprise groups wanted to start their own telephone companies, so they used anti-competitive rulings to take down one of America's premier companies.  The result:  AT&T was destroyed, the start-ups failed and America and Americans lost.
    (Interesting side note:   Without AT&T we may not have ever had an Apple as hacking into its systems with their blue box was Steve & Woz's first taste producing a marketable product together)

    Personally, I welcome the security and peace of mind ApplePay gives me and do not want that interfered with.   Likewise, I wish that Apple would increase and improve its policing of 3rd party apps on the App Store.
    ... One of the reasons I favor Apple is its stability, security and privacy protections.  Opening up to third parties would make it more Microsoft like.
    ....... Perhaps that emphasis on security & privacy stems from the founders initial efforts as entrepreneurs by hacking one of America's most prestigious organzations?

    But, with lots of money sloshing around, there will always be people and organizations looking for a slice of that pie -- and (mis)using government to get it.
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  • Reply 6 of 56
    goofy1958goofy1958 Posts: 168member
    What a bunch of idiots.  What the heck is anti-competitive about Apple Pay?

    lolliverGeorgeBMac
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  • Reply 7 of 56
    Margrethe Vestager, can you read this, “(bleep) off”?


    Edited: change bad word to “bleep”
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  • Reply 8 of 56
    YP101yp101 Posts: 183member
    Another free money hand out looking for EU?
    lolliver
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  • Reply 9 of 56
    Rayz2016rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    YP101 said:
    Another free money hand out looking for EU?
    Yup. 
    elijahgjony0
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  • Reply 10 of 56
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    goofy1958 said:
    What a bunch of idiots.  What the heck is anti-competitive about Apple Pay?

    That's what the official investigation is for. Perhaps nothing.
    uraharasphericCarnage
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  • Reply 11 of 56
    "It is disappointing the European Commission is advancing baseless complaints from a handful of companies who simply want a free ride, and don't want to play by the same rules as everyone else."
    Wait, is that projection? Let's find out. Who exactly made those rules? Could it be ... Apple?
    So based on that statement, Apple should fully embrace new rules by the EU and the USA governments that require phones to be open to third party app stores and support the right to repair your device at an independent shop. After all, Apple should not be given a free ride and should have to play by the same rules as everyone else, right Apple?
    edited June 2020
    singularityavon b7Ofersphericmocseg
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  • Reply 12 of 56
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Corrupt, talentless EU criminals getting ready for their next bogus shake down.
    edited June 2020
    anantksundaram
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  • Reply 13 of 56
    hammeroftruthhammeroftruth Posts: 1,418member
    This is just a cash grab for the EU. It’s like Apple is their go to piggy bank when they need money. 
    yoyo2222anantksundaram
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  • Reply 14 of 56
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    This is just a cash grab for the EU. It’s like Apple is their go to piggy bank when they need money. 
    They haven't been found guilty of anything. It's just an official inquiry. Besides, if the EU needs money they have another big US tech already set up as the piggybank. ;)
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  • Reply 15 of 56
    razmatazrazmataz Posts: 26member
    Based on Libertarian, Free Market principles, if that's all one is looking at, then yes, Apple's practices are anti-competitive.

    But, if one looks at the whole picture then, like any and every government, Apple sets rules.   And those Rules & Restrictions are designed to protect both the brand and the consumers who buy that brand.   One simply can't separate the two.

    Perhaps a good analogy is to look at AT&T:   various private enterprise groups wanted to start their own telephone companies, so they used anti-competitive rulings to take down one of America's premier companies.  The result:  AT&T was destroyed, the start-ups failed and America and Americans lost.
    (Interesting side note:   Without AT&T we may not have ever had an Apple as hacking into its systems with their blue box was Steve & Woz's first taste producing a marketable product together)

    Personally, I welcome the security and peace of mind ApplePay gives me and do not want that interfered with.   Likewise, I wish that Apple would increase and improve its policing of 3rd party apps on the App Store.
    ... One of the reasons I favor Apple is its stability, security and privacy protections.  Opening up to third parties would make it more Microsoft like.
    ....... Perhaps that emphasis on security & privacy stems from the founders initial efforts as entrepreneurs by hacking one of America's most prestigious organzations?

    But, with lots of money sloshing around, there will always be people and organizations looking for a slice of that pie -- and (mis)using government to get it.

    I doubt the EU can be viewed as market libertarians. But on a wide range of subjects they often express a genuine concern for a "level playing field". I think they are going to investigate this under that lens. We'll see what comes out. The perceived problem with the technology sector is that in many areas it is often winner-takes-all. The argument  against curtailing the leader is that it slows down progress to force competition. Maybe there is a balance to be found once the innovator's position is extremely well established, and I doubt the innovator would ever do it without a bit of prodding.

    Out of interest, do you see allowing other payment systems threatening interference with the security and peace that ApplePay gives you? I'm not seeing it.




    avon b7gatorguympw_amherstentropysuraharasphericCarnage
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  • Reply 16 of 56
    tobiantobian Posts: 163member
    I'm with Spotify and others about this. You just can't create some in-app credit charging mechanism without being loosing draconian 30%. What maintenance costs Apple has with that? - near nothing. I would require such apps to be paid, so Apple can take 30% off an app purchase one time, while in-app purchases free of the cut. And free apps unable to have any in-app purchases.. it's the most popular model in AppStore and I dislike it.
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  • Reply 17 of 56
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,357member
    EU fails to recognize that most iPhone users want Apple to be the gate keepers of what can run on our phones. It’s the very reason that the ecosystem isn’t riddled with malware, as other platforms tend to be. 
    lolliveranantksundaramGeorgeBMacjdb8167
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  • Reply 18 of 56
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,927member
    Why should a company which provides integrated solutions be forced to disintegrate them by law? Especially when the ‘open’ model was never the norm?
    I think the public should gatecrash the commissioners private parties to show how forced openness feels.
    lolliverjdb8167
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  • Reply 19 of 56
    uraharaurahara Posts: 733member
    apple ][ said:
    Corrupt, talentless EU criminals getting ready for their next bogus shake down.
    What was the previous one? 

    And from your perspective: corrupt, talentless US criminals getting ready for their next bogus shake down: https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/214517
    edited June 2020
    Carnage
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  • Reply 20 of 56
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,478member
    Based on Libertarian, Free Market principles, if that's all one is looking at, then yes, Apple's practices are anti-competitive.
    And just like that, Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, and Frederich Hayek leapt up in unison to exclaim “excuse me?”
    What’s going on with regard to Spotify et al is simply explained in a little tale that used to be taught in schools. It’s called The Little Red Hen.

    tobian said:
    I'm with Spotify and others about this. You just can't create some in-app credit charging mechanism without being loosing draconian 30%. What maintenance costs Apple has with that? - near nothing. I would require such apps to be paid, so Apple can take 30% off an app purchase one time, while in-app purchases free of the cut. And free apps unable to have any in-app purchases.. it's the most popular model in AppStore and I dislike it.
    It’s 30% in the first year. Thereafter it is 15%.  Aren’t too many businesses that can run on 15% revenue to cover costs.  The problem for Spotify is that being charged anything at all is inconvenient to its business model.
    edited June 2020
    lolliveranantksundaram
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