Apps stumble all the time with OS upgrade changes, giving them time to get things right makes sense. Especially for my iPhone, too critical to get impatient with.
Or they could give themselves time, maybe?? Maybe not push products out the door until they are ready, maybe ...maybe???
Why are we supposed to be all forgiving when Apple stumble all the time with OS upgrades?
As for the developers and their complaints: Um, how long have there been beta releases available for iOS 14? Since the official announcement of iOS 14?
Covid-19 aside (because this computer industry bullshit happens constantly, every year, with or without pandemics):
The degree of special pleading that is constantly used to defend this industry’s perpetual bullshit is grotesque. It’s even more maddening being one of a tiny minority of tech people willing to acknowledge it and call it out...
...and not be eager to lick the corporate boot, defending every company & developer, as users are tossed incomplete products (and, no, don’t give me the BS special pleading excuse “users should know not to be early adopters”), being thrown into usability chaos with broken and incomplete features, device slowdowns, app incompatibilities (no, end users shouldn’t have to “know not to accept the update until later”, when it’s literally pushed at them daily by Apple)...
... all because Apple are focused only on pushing new devices onto market, at rigidly set dates, to feed the dogdamned stock market pundits their fresh meat...
... and when developers are behind on updating for new OS releases & platform changes that have been telegraphed for years - looking at you, 32-bit holdovers (few have excuses, most don’t).
Everyone is in the wrong here, AFAIC:
• Apple, for their focus on Wall Street, perpetually shitty release cycles, unwillingness to do proper QA, bugs, & generally incomplete development at release day.
• Developers, for acting like they were taken by surprise when long-announced changes were finalized, well after betas were made available.
• Fanatics, for defending the behavior of one or both of them, and pulling out their “us vs them” tribalism bullshit responses to legitimate criticism of Apple and/or developers.
No industry is as bad as those based on computer tech and its perpetual abuse of (and scapegoating of) their own customers and endless logical fallacy excuses.
iOS 14 not even out and you’re already complaining about it. Nothing if not consistent!
Since Apple is a proprietary hardware company that exist to enrich its shareholders, software releases are driven by the hardware releases period! Over the last few iOS cycles, certain developers have used their early access to drill down into the code and exposed and leaked future products names and details. This sad history along with the latest Fortnight controversy, I would not be surprised that iOS 14 GM was released on a short notice as a reminder of who actually owns, control, trademarks and patents the various Apple OS’s and all the hardware that they supports!. In other words:
I think BIG DADDY/MOMMA just slapped all the whining witches to remind them that they all get fed by food and the table that he/she provides for his customers and graciously lets developers partake in! 😜
Keep in mind they did have 8 betas to get their app ready for iOS 14. I ran ever single beta on my personal phone that gets used extensively daily and never had one problem.
The GM build seems flawless.
The GM build is nice for users. I agree.
It also removed at least two APIs that were in the previous beta. This is why 25 or so hours between the GM and the full release is bad for developers.
Which APIs? A beta is supposed to be feature-complete. Sounds more like Apple were doing alpha builds.
Apps stumble all the time with OS upgrade changes, giving them time to get things right makes sense. Especially for my iPhone, too critical to get impatient with.
Or they could give themselves time, maybe?? Maybe not push products out the door until they are ready, maybe ...maybe???
Why are we supposed to be all forgiving when Apple stumble all the time with OS upgrades?
As for the developers and their complaints: Um, how long have there been beta releases available for iOS 14? Since the official announcement of iOS 14?
Covid-19 aside (because this computer industry bullshit happens constantly, every year, with or without pandemics):
The degree of special pleading that is constantly used to defend this industry’s perpetual bullshit is grotesque. It’s even more maddening being one of a tiny minority of tech people willing to acknowledge it and call it out...
...and not be eager to lick the corporate boot, defending every company & developer, as users are tossed incomplete products (and, no, don’t give me the BS special pleading excuse “users should know not to be early adopters”), being thrown into usability chaos with broken and incomplete features, device slowdowns, app incompatibilities (no, end users shouldn’t have to “know not to accept the update until later”, when it’s literally pushed at them daily by Apple)...
... all because Apple are focused only on pushing new devices onto market, at rigidly set dates, to feed the dogdamned stock market pundits their fresh meat...
... and when developers are behind on updating for new OS releases & platform changes that have been telegraphed for years - looking at you, 32-bit holdovers (few have excuses, most don’t).
Everyone is in the wrong here, AFAIC:
• Apple, for their focus on Wall Street, perpetually shitty release cycles, unwillingness to do proper QA, bugs, & generally incomplete development at release day.
• Developers, for acting like they were taken by surprise when long-announced changes were finalized, well after betas were made available.
• Fanatics, for defending the behavior of one or both of them, and pulling out their “us vs them” tribalism bullshit responses to legitimate criticism of Apple and/or developers.
No industry is as bad as those based on computer tech and its perpetual abuse of (and scapegoating of) their own customers and endless logical fallacy excuses.
iOS 14 not even out and you’re already complaining about it. Nothing if not consistent!
Congratulations on your overly simplistic response. You’re also consistent. Yay?
Since Apple is a proprietary hardware company that exist to enrich its shareholders, software releases are driven by the hardware releases period! Over the last few iOS cycles, certain developers have used their early access to drill down into the code and exposed and leaked future products names and details. This sad history along with the latest Fortnight controversy, I would not be surprised that iOS 14 GM was released on a short notice as a reminder of who actually owns, control, trademarks and patents the various Apple OS’s and all the hardware that they supports!. In other words:
I think BIG DADDY/MOMMA just slapped all the whining witches to remind them that they all get fed by food and the table that he/she provides for his customers and graciously lets developers partake in! 😜
That would be incredibly childish and unprofessional. I really hope that isn’t even remotely close to Apple’s real motivation.
Which APIs? A beta is supposed to be feature-complete. Sounds more like Apple were doing alpha builds.
This isn’t unusual for Apple betas. The worst I ever saw happened about five years ago. Apple removed – not just deprecated but removed – iOS’s WiFi scanning API in beta 3 without any prior notice. A lot of IoT apps relied on the API and entire hardware product lines were effectively rendered useless by Apple’s change.
Thankfully developers managed to convince Apple to reverse course. However there was a good month of radio silence from Apple where companies didn’t know whether their whole business would continue to exist.
Here’s the thing ... as a user who has repeatedly asked for simple app bugs to be fixed or new features to be updated for years now in certain apps ... I honestly don’t thing many app developers are loosing sleep over this . The iPhone X was released in 2017 and there are sadly still many apps that never even tried to update their platforms to utilize the new phone/OSs features . The last time my SYFY app or AMC app worked correctly or to their full potential on a iPhone of mine was mid 2017. Also I didn’t just leave a sad review in the App Store I went out of my way for going on 3 years now to go through all the avenues available and speak to actual people who could fix these problems and ..... wait for it ..... still not fixed or updated . Maybe Apple realized that developers take their sweet ass time anyways ...... food for thought .
OK, this is not good. Just discovered in iOS 14 on the iPhone 11 Pro...
Using FaceTime with another person, was unable to quit the call, but they were able to force FaceTime to quit, which then crashed the app on my side. Then I did a hard restart and discovered SpringBoard wouldn’t load (SpringBoard is the application which manages the iPhone’s home screen).
Apps stumble all the time with OS upgrade changes, giving them time to get things right makes sense. Especially for my iPhone, too critical to get impatient with.
Or they could give themselves time, maybe?? Maybe not push products out the door until they are ready, maybe ...maybe???
Why are we supposed to be all forgiving when Apple stumble all the time with OS upgrades?
As for the developers and their complaints: Um, how long have there been beta releases available for iOS 14? Since the official announcement of iOS 14?
Covid-19 aside (because this computer industry bullshit happens constantly, every year, with or without pandemics):
The degree of special pleading that is constantly used to defend this industry’s perpetual bullshit is grotesque. It’s even more maddening being one of a tiny minority of tech people willing to acknowledge it and call it out...
...and not be eager to lick the corporate boot, defending every company & developer, as users are tossed incomplete products (and, no, don’t give me the BS special pleading excuse “users should know not to be early adopters”), being thrown into usability chaos with broken and incomplete features, device slowdowns, app incompatibilities (no, end users shouldn’t have to “know not to accept the update until later”, when it’s literally pushed at them daily by Apple)...
... all because Apple are focused only on pushing new devices onto market, at rigidly set dates, to feed the dogdamned stock market pundits their fresh meat...
... and when developers are behind on updating for new OS releases & platform changes that have been telegraphed for years - looking at you, 32-bit holdovers (few have excuses, most don’t).
Everyone is in the wrong here, AFAIC:
• Apple, for their focus on Wall Street, perpetually shitty release cycles, unwillingness to do proper QA, bugs, & generally incomplete development at release day.
• Developers, for acting like they were taken by surprise when long-announced changes were finalized, well after betas were made available.
• Fanatics, for defending the behavior of one or both of them, and pulling out their “us vs them” tribalism bullshit responses to legitimate criticism of Apple and/or developers.
No industry is as bad as those based on computer tech and its perpetual abuse of (and scapegoating of) their own customers and endless logical fallacy excuses.
Apple doesn't care about the stock market. They've repeatedly said this. Just saying.
People complaining about developers and saying there were months of betas don’t really understand software development. This is understandable but this article is on point and iOS and iPadOS users should be patient.
More than the late GM of the OSes is the even later GM of Xcode. Xcode is a 12+ GB download. Most devs are probably on reasonably fast internet but even so that is large. The GM didn’t come out until early afternoon on the east coast. That doesn’t leave a lot of time to test before the end of the day and every developer needs to test before submitting a new build because a rejection from Apple review for a faulty build is big problem. It puts you back at the end of the review queue.
Developers aren’t being prima-donnas. There are real issues involved in this and Apple forced a lot of developers to have a very late night. Not cool.
I think that a lot of people are just mad at Apple developers right now. Between the monopoly lawsuits, complaints about apps wrongfully rejected, the Fortnite/Spotify/Facebook stuff and xCloud there has been a steady drumbeat of Apple criticism from developers the past 6 months. This is jarring to Apple fans who - despite convincing themselves otherwise - are used to glowing fawning stuff from the press instead of the antagonism from the media that Microsoft, Amazon, Samsung, Facebook, Google, the cable companies and the mobile carriers generally get.
What folks need to realize is that these are not the same people. 1. For example, no one agrees with Epic Games (who lest we forget was kicked off Google Play too). 2. There are lots of people who agree with the 30% fee who believe that Apple should allow alternative app stores and vice versa. 3. There are lots of people who agree with the 30% fee and a single app store who believe in more flexible payment options (which Apple adopted thanks to Basecamp). 4. There are lots of people who agree with Apple's policies generally who believe that their giving special treatment to Amazon - an adversary who refused to sell Apple TVs and has been involved in 3 major lawsuits with Apple - to be very disappointing on a number of levels. 5. There are lots of people who agree with Apple's policies generally who find Apple's rejection of cloud gaming - by Google, Microsoft and Nvidia with Amazon and PlayStation products set to launch in 2021 - as accomplishing nothing but diminishing one of the main benefits of iOS over Android in the first place (key apps and services generally arriving on iOS before Android, if they ever launch on Android at all). 6. And ... there are lots of developers who have no real position or interest in any of 1-5 who were just sorely inconvenienced by Apple releasing iOS 14 with virtually no prior notice.
Basically if you are taking out your frustration over Epic Games' nonsense on some dev who is voicing his frustrations over his app missing 3-4 days or revenue over something that Apple decided to do, then you are part of the problem. I have my own opinion over why Apple did this. They needed a bit of sleight of hand to get people to focus on something other than the iPhone delay so they decided to emphasize services and software ... which are available right now! So ... Apple chose its own needs over its developers. From the point of view of Apple and the vast majority of its consumers, no big deal and no real harm done. A couple days from now no one is going to be talking about this and everyone is going to be back to leaks and speculation on the iPhone 12 and ARM-based Macs. But if you are a developer that was impacted by this you have every right to talk about how it impacted you. That really, truly is all that is going on.
People complaining about developers and saying there were months of betas don’t really understand software development. This is understandable but this article is on point and iOS and iPadOS users should be patient.
More than the late GM of the OSes is the even later GM of Xcode. Xcode is a 12+ GB download. Most devs are probably on reasonably fast internet but even so that is large. The GM didn’t come out until early afternoon on the east coast. That doesn’t leave a lot of time to test before the end of the day and every developer needs to test before submitting a new build because a rejection from Apple review for a faulty build is big problem. It puts you back at the end of the review queue.
Developers aren’t being prima-donnas. There are real issues involved in this and Apple forced a lot of developers to have a very late night. Not cool.
Yeah, but how many betas were there of iOS 14? Like eight? Devs should’ve been fine tuning and bug-squashing for months.
I’ve started emailing developers whose apps have been broken by iOS 14 now (one replied immediately, which was nice), with specific notes about how and why their app no longer works properly. Hopefully this will help some to make rapid fixes.
People complaining about developers and saying there were months of betas don’t really understand software development. This is understandable but this article is on point and iOS and iPadOS users should be patient.
More than the late GM of the OSes is the even later GM of Xcode. Xcode is a 12+ GB download. Most devs are probably on reasonably fast internet but even so that is large. The GM didn’t come out until early afternoon on the east coast. That doesn’t leave a lot of time to test before the end of the day and every developer needs to test before submitting a new build because a rejection from Apple review for a faulty build is big problem. It puts you back at the end of the review queue.
Developers aren’t being prima-donnas. There are real issues involved in this and Apple forced a lot of developers to have a very late night. Not cool.
Yeah, but how many betas were there of iOS 14? Like eight? Devs should’ve been fine tuning and bug-squashing for months.
From everything that I have read there are real differences between the final build and the previous version in particular the removal of a widely used and very important API. I don't get the need to put the onus on the developers here. Siding with a $2 trillion company over a bunch of development shops that have anywhere from 1-20 coders is bizarre. The former is going to be fine. The latter is likely being inundated with angry emails from users of the app that they paid for not working and is scrambling to preserve the revenue that they need to survive. Having sympathy for the latter doesn't mean joining forces with Epic Games or the (totally imaginary) hordes of Apple bashers that (allegedly but not really) exist in the media.
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Since Apple is a proprietary hardware company that exist to enrich its shareholders, software releases are driven by the hardware releases period! Over the last few iOS cycles, certain developers have used their early access to drill down into the code and exposed and leaked future products names and details. This sad history along with the latest Fortnight controversy, I would not be surprised that iOS 14 GM was released on a short notice as a reminder of who actually owns, control, trademarks and patents the various Apple OS’s and all the hardware that they supports!. In other words:
I think BIG DADDY/MOMMA just slapped all the whining witches to remind them that they all get fed by food and the table that he/she provides for his customers and graciously lets developers partake in! 😜
Thankfully developers managed to convince Apple to reverse course. However there was a good month of radio silence from Apple where companies didn’t know whether their whole business would continue to exist.
Using FaceTime with another person, was unable to quit the call, but they were able to force FaceTime to quit, which then crashed the app on my side. Then I did a hard restart and discovered SpringBoard wouldn’t load (SpringBoard is the application which manages the iPhone’s home screen).
This would seem to be a major bug.
Apple doesn't care about the stock market. They've repeatedly said this. Just saying.
What folks need to realize is that these are not the same people.
1. For example, no one agrees with Epic Games (who lest we forget was kicked off Google Play too).
2. There are lots of people who agree with the 30% fee who believe that Apple should allow alternative app stores and vice versa.
3. There are lots of people who agree with the 30% fee and a single app store who believe in more flexible payment options (which Apple adopted thanks to Basecamp).
4. There are lots of people who agree with Apple's policies generally who believe that their giving special treatment to Amazon - an adversary who refused to sell Apple TVs and has been involved in 3 major lawsuits with Apple - to be very disappointing on a number of levels.
5. There are lots of people who agree with Apple's policies generally who find Apple's rejection of cloud gaming - by Google, Microsoft and Nvidia with Amazon and PlayStation products set to launch in 2021 - as accomplishing nothing but diminishing one of the main benefits of iOS over Android in the first place (key apps and services generally arriving on iOS before Android, if they ever launch on Android at all).
6. And ... there are lots of developers who have no real position or interest in any of 1-5 who were just sorely inconvenienced by Apple releasing iOS 14 with virtually no prior notice.
Basically if you are taking out your frustration over Epic Games' nonsense on some dev who is voicing his frustrations over his app missing 3-4 days or revenue over something that Apple decided to do, then you are part of the problem. I have my own opinion over why Apple did this. They needed a bit of sleight of hand to get people to focus on something other than the iPhone delay so they decided to emphasize services and software ... which are available right now! So ... Apple chose its own needs over its developers. From the point of view of Apple and the vast majority of its consumers, no big deal and no real harm done. A couple days from now no one is going to be talking about this and everyone is going to be back to leaks and speculation on the iPhone 12 and ARM-based Macs. But if you are a developer that was impacted by this you have every right to talk about how it impacted you. That really, truly is all that is going on.