Judge temporarily halts Trump administration's TikTok ban

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in General Discussion edited September 2020
A U.S. federal judge on Sunday partially granted TikTok's preliminary injunction against a Trump administration order to ban downloads of the app, though more sweeping restrictions are still on track to take effect in November.

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In his order, Judge Carl Nichols of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia said the temporary relief does not cover a pending service shutdown "at this time," reports The New York Times.

"We're pleased that the court agreed with our legal arguments and issued an injunction preventing the implementation of the TikTok app ban," a spokesman for TikTok told the publication following news of the decision. "We will continue defending our rights for the benefit of our community and employees. At the same time, we will also maintain our ongoing dialogue with the government to turn our proposal, which the president gave his preliminary approval to last weekend, into an agreement."

TikTok is facing a multifaceted attack from the Trump administration, which views the Chinese-owned company as a threat to national security. The Commerce Department in September announced the app would be pulled from app stores like Apple's App Store and Google's Play Store on Sept. 20. A more comprehensive ban set for Nov. 12 will prohibit American internet carriers from handling TikTok's traffic, rendering the app useless.

To avoid a shutdown, TikTok owner ByteDance has been seeking a buyer for its U.S. operations in compliance with the Trump administration's vague demands. A tentative arrangement with Oracle and a host of financial partners was reached on Sept. 17, leading Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross to extend the September download ban to 11:59 p.m. today.

TikTok last week filed a request for an emergency injunction as it worked toward a permanent deal. Judge Nichols' decision came down less than five hours before deadline.

The Commerce Department in a statement on Sunday said it will comply with the injunction, but noted Trump's order was "fully consistent with the law and promotes legitimate national security interests."
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  • Reply 1 of 26
    "Show us your Facts please Mr.  President"
    "Uhh,  what are those?   What are facts?   We don't need no stinkin facts!    Never liked them.   Never used them.   Lies and smear campaigns are better than truth and facts any day!"
    sphericforegoneconclusionOferITGUYINSD
  • Reply 2 of 26
    "Show us your Facts please Mr.  President"
    "Uhh,  what are those?   What are facts?   We don't need no stinkin facts!    Never liked them.   Never used them.   Lies and smear campaigns are better than truth and facts any day!"
    Yes, because a president is not privy to more information than the average citizen. And in the unlikely event a president knows something the citizens don’t, he is obligated to tell them everything. If he doesn’t tell them everything, perhaps because every single president in the history of the US knows that certain information is not suitable for public awareness, then it’s basically the same thing as the president not having any reason.

    The thing that concerns me is not a TikTok ban but that so many politicians and organisations and citizens are wilfully blind toward China’s government, despite there being overwhelming evidence that they are not passive and innocent and are a real threat to the US.
    SpamSandwichGG1civalkruppCluntBaby92
  • Reply 3 of 26
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,093member
    georgie01 said:
    "Show us your Facts please Mr.  President"
    "Uhh,  what are those?   What are facts?   We don't need no stinkin facts!    Never liked them.   Never used them.   Lies and smear campaigns are better than truth and facts any day!"
    Yes, because a president is not privy to more information than the average citizen. And in the unlikely event a president knows something the citizens don’t, he is obligated to tell them everything. If he doesn’t tell them everything, perhaps because every single president in the history of the US knows that certain information is not suitable for public awareness, then it’s basically the same thing as the president not having any reason.
    I see your sarcasm, and raise you: Trump's twitter feed. Next round: Bob Woodward's tapes. 

    The man is absolutely notoriously resistant to ANY advice or info that contradict his bizarre little world view, be it from economic advisers, the State Department, the CDC, epidemiologists, or the fucking Pentagon

    He has NO idea about TikTok; he just saw a way to maybe funnel a check through a charity into his own pocket, to spend on reëlection campaigning. 
    edited September 2020 hammeroftruthOferGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 4 of 26
    A Trump-appointed Federal judge decides to block the ban two days after https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/26/doj-opposes-tiktok-request-stall-download-ban-calls-bytedance-ceo-mouthpiece-for-ccp and five hours before the ban was scheduled to take effect is just another act in this sh*t show.
    hammeroftruthOfer
  • Reply 5 of 26
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    georgie01 said:
    "Show us your Facts please Mr.  President"
    "Uhh,  what are those?   What are facts?   We don't need no stinkin facts!    Never liked them.   Never used them.   Lies and smear campaigns are better than truth and facts any day!"
    Yes, because a president is not privy to more information than the average citizen. And in the unlikely event a president knows something the citizens don’t, he is obligated to tell them everything. If he doesn’t tell them everything, perhaps because every single president in the history of the US knows that certain information is not suitable for public awareness, then it’s basically the same thing as the president not having any reason.

    The thing that concerns me is not a TikTok ban but that so many politicians and organisations and citizens are wilfully blind toward China’s government, despite there being overwhelming evidence that they are not passive and innocent and are a real threat to the US.
    Fascinating that you think China is a bigger threat to the US than the current president of the US. Fixing the sh*tshow that is the current administration should be the top priority before worrying about anything else. 
    sphericOferlkruppGeorgeBMacITGUYINSD
  • Reply 6 of 26
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,171member
    Rayz2016 said:
    georgie01 said:
    "Show us your Facts please Mr.  President"
    "Uhh,  what are those?   What are facts?   We don't need no stinkin facts!    Never liked them.   Never used them.   Lies and smear campaigns are better than truth and facts any day!"
    Yes, because a president is not privy to more information than the average citizen. And in the unlikely event a president knows something the citizens don’t, he is obligated to tell them everything. If he doesn’t tell them everything, perhaps because every single president in the history of the US knows that certain information is not suitable for public awareness, then it’s basically the same thing as the president not having any reason.

    The thing that concerns me is not a TikTok ban but that so many politicians and organisations and citizens are wilfully blind toward China’s government, despite there being overwhelming evidence that they are not passive and innocent and are a real threat to the US.
    Fascinating that you think China is a bigger threat to the US than the current president of the US. Fixing the sh*tshow that is the current administration should be the top priority before worrying about anything else. 
    We can rid ourselves of the current President in a few weeks. China will continue on.

    So Rayz, which one to you should the US be keeping an eye on as a larger potential threat, a 74-year old+ former President with failing thought, or a rapidly expanding China with a semi-permanent leader whose political and social interests are not shared by even its neighbors?

    Anyway to get back on topic, the judge did not reverse the ultimate ban but only put a hold on the demand that both Apple and Google remove the app from their respective app stores today. 
    edited September 2020
  • Reply 7 of 26
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,543member
    Good Job USA screwing your own president's power. No wonder everyone like to live and do business in USA. Rip benefits and when you are challened; use it's judiciary system to fend off and continue doing the same without consequences. USA is doomed in long term. Learn Chinese and be prepared to work for them. Accept no shame to that.
    civalkrupp
  • Reply 8 of 26
    georgie01 said: The thing that concerns me is not a TikTok ban but that so many politicians and organisations and citizens are wilfully blind toward China’s government, despite there being overwhelming evidence that they are not passive and innocent and are a real threat to the US.
    I've never seen anyone explain what threat is possible from China via data that TikTok could collect from a civilian user. Usually national security threats related to data would involve classified information, not the type of info that a civilian user of TikTok might provide when using the app.
    Ofermuthuk_vanalingamGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 9 of 26
    georgie01 said: The thing that concerns me is not a TikTok ban but that so many politicians and organisations and citizens are wilfully blind toward China’s government, despite there being overwhelming evidence that they are not passive and innocent and are a real threat to the US.
    I've never seen anyone explain what threat is possible from China via data that TikTok could collect from a civilian user. Usually national security threats related to data would involve classified information, not the type of info that a civilian user of TikTok might provide when using the app.
    Then you haven’t been paying attention. It was widely discussed that the app had full access to the contents of a device’s clipboard before they were called to the carpet over that fact. In addition, their unwillingness to hand over their source code during this company sale process has been very informative.
    civa
  • Reply 10 of 26
    SpamSandwich said: Then you haven’t been paying attention. It was widely discussed that the app had full access to the contents of a device’s clipboard before they were called to the carpet over that fact. In addition, their unwillingness to hand over their source code during this company sale process has been very informative.
    Same question again: how would access to the clipboard of a civilian TikTok user be a threat to national security? There isn't going to be anything classified on there. 
    OferGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 11 of 26
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,171member
    SpamSandwich said: Then you haven’t been paying attention. It was widely discussed that the app had full access to the contents of a device’s clipboard before they were called to the carpet over that fact. In addition, their unwillingness to hand over their source code during this company sale process has been very informative.
    Same question again: how would access to the clipboard of a civilian TikTok user be a threat to national security? There isn't going to be anything classified on there. 
    The same question was asked and the rationale offered here:
    https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/8/11/21363092/why-is-tiktok-national-security-threat-wechat-trump-ban
    civa
  • Reply 12 of 26
    gatorguy said: The same question was asked and the rationale offered here:
    I could see how civilians that are employed as government contractors could be a potential issue, but that's about it. The whole "censor political speech and spread misinformation that could hurt democracy in the US" part isn't believable coming from the Trump administration. Trump himself routinely criticizes the media in the United States as being an "enemy of the people" and constantly provides misinformation to the public through his Twitter feed. 
    Oferleavingthebiggmuthuk_vanalingamGeorgeBMacdewme
  • Reply 13 of 26
    gatorguy said:
    SpamSandwich said: Then you haven’t been paying attention. It was widely discussed that the app had full access to the contents of a device’s clipboard before they were called to the carpet over that fact. In addition, their unwillingness to hand over their source code during this company sale process has been very informative.
    Same question again: how would access to the clipboard of a civilian TikTok user be a threat to national security? There isn't going to be anything classified on there. 
    The same question was asked and the rationale offered here:
    https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/8/11/21363092/why-is-tiktok-national-security-threat-wechat-trump-ban

    Not buying their excuses. This is 100% about Trump being made a fool of at his Tulsa rally.

    The reasoning they give (government employee might also have sensitive information on their phones) is pure bullshit. Anyone in government in any sort of position with access to such information would have a managed device with severe restrictions. They couldn’t even install Tik Tok on their phones in the first place.

    To imply that people who work for the FBI, CIA, military, federal government or any other agency got their phone from Verizon or AT&T and set it up themselves with their own personal number is beyond ridiculous.
    Oferforegoneconclusionleavingthebiggmuthuk_vanalingamthtGeorgeBMacdewme
  • Reply 14 of 26
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,171member
    gatorguy said:
    SpamSandwich said: Then you haven’t been paying attention. It was widely discussed that the app had full access to the contents of a device’s clipboard before they were called to the carpet over that fact. In addition, their unwillingness to hand over their source code during this company sale process has been very informative.
    Same question again: how would access to the clipboard of a civilian TikTok user be a threat to national security? There isn't going to be anything classified on there. 
    The same question was asked and the rationale offered here:
    https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/8/11/21363092/why-is-tiktok-national-security-threat-wechat-trump-ban

    Not buying their excuses. This is 100% about Trump being made a fool of at his Tulsa rally.

    The reasoning they give (government employee might also have sensitive information on their phones) is pure bullshit. Anyone in government in any sort of position with access to such information would have a managed device with severe restrictions. They couldn’t even install Tik Tok on their phones in the first place.

    To imply that people who work for the FBI, CIA, military, federal government or any other agency got their phone from Verizon or AT&T and set it up themselves with their own personal number is beyond ridiculous.
    And I generally agree with you. I won't discount the possibility that intelligence agencies might have an undisclosed but valid reason for distrusting the apps involved, but the reasons offered to the public so far seem more like after-the-fact excuses.
    muthuk_vanalingamGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 15 of 26
    A Trump-appointed Federal judge decides to block the ban two days after https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/26/doj-opposes-tiktok-request-stall-download-ban-calls-bytedance-ceo-mouthpiece-for-ccp and five hours before the ban was scheduled to take effect is just another act in this sh*t show.
    You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. 
  • Reply 16 of 26
    gatorguy said:
    SpamSandwich said: Then you haven’t been paying attention. It was widely discussed that the app had full access to the contents of a device’s clipboard before they were called to the carpet over that fact. In addition, their unwillingness to hand over their source code during this company sale process has been very informative.
    Same question again: how would access to the clipboard of a civilian TikTok user be a threat to national security? There isn't going to be anything classified on there. 
    The same question was asked and the rationale offered here:
    https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/8/11/21363092/why-is-tiktok-national-security-threat-wechat-trump-ban

    Not buying their excuses. This is 100% about Trump being made a fool of at his Tulsa rally.

    The reasoning they give (government employee might also have sensitive information on their phones) is pure bullshit. Anyone in government in any sort of position with access to such information would have a managed device with severe restrictions. They couldn’t even install Tik Tok on their phones in the first place.

    To imply that people who work for the FBI, CIA, military, federal government or any other agency got their phone from Verizon or AT&T and set it up themselves with their own personal number is beyond ridiculous.
    Wrong. Tik Tok knew this was coming and staged the Tulsa thing, which the media falsely highlighted, as shown by real video from the rally. 
    I myself started looking at where the app store affiliates were located a long time ago, due to the fact I know China is a big security hole. 

    Tik Tok is a security hole. Just because YOU don't know the specifics does not make that untrue. 

    Best to comment on subjects you actually have knowledge of. 
  • Reply 17 of 26
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    SpamSandwich said: Then you haven’t been paying attention. It was widely discussed that the app had full access to the contents of a device’s clipboard before they were called to the carpet over that fact. In addition, their unwillingness to hand over their source code during this company sale process has been very informative.
    Same question again: how would access to the clipboard of a civilian TikTok user be a threat to national security? There isn't going to be anything classified on there. 
    The same question was asked and the rationale offered here:
    https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/8/11/21363092/why-is-tiktok-national-security-threat-wechat-trump-ban

    Not buying their excuses. This is 100% about Trump being made a fool of at his Tulsa rally.

    The reasoning they give (government employee might also have sensitive information on their phones) is pure bullshit. Anyone in government in any sort of position with access to such information would have a managed device with severe restrictions. They couldn’t even install Tik Tok on their phones in the first place.

    To imply that people who work for the FBI, CIA, military, federal government or any other agency got their phone from Verizon or AT&T and set it up themselves with their own personal number is beyond ridiculous.
    And I generally agree with you. I won't discount the possibility that intelligence agencies might have an undisclosed but valid reason for distrusting the apps involved, but the reasons offered to the public so far seem more like after-the-fact excuses.
    The public has no need to learn classified information, which would then be funneled by the media and the CIA back to China. 
    GG1
  • Reply 18 of 26
    gatorguy said: The same question was asked and the rationale offered here:
    I could see how civilians that are employed as government contractors could be a potential issue, but that's about it. The whole "censor political speech and spread misinformation that could hurt democracy in the US" part isn't believable coming from the Trump administration. Trump himself routinely criticizes the media in the United States as being an "enemy of the people" and constantly provides misinformation to the public through his Twitter feed. 
    with distributed networking, everyone is a risk
  • Reply 19 of 26
    gatorguy said:
    Rayz2016 said:
    georgie01 said:
    "Show us your Facts please Mr.  President"
    "Uhh,  what are those?   What are facts?   We don't need no stinkin facts!    Never liked them.   Never used them.   Lies and smear campaigns are better than truth and facts any day!"
    Yes, because a president is not privy to more information than the average citizen. And in the unlikely event a president knows something the citizens don’t, he is obligated to tell them everything. If he doesn’t tell them everything, perhaps because every single president in the history of the US knows that certain information is not suitable for public awareness, then it’s basically the same thing as the president not having any reason.

    The thing that concerns me is not a TikTok ban but that so many politicians and organisations and citizens are wilfully blind toward China’s government, despite there being overwhelming evidence that they are not passive and innocent and are a real threat to the US.
    Fascinating that you think China is a bigger threat to the US than the current president of the US. Fixing the sh*tshow that is the current administration should be the top priority before worrying about anything else. 
    We can rid ourselves of the current President in a few weeks. China will continue on.

    So Rayz, which one to you should the US be keeping an eye on as a larger potential threat, a 74-year old+ former President with failing thought, or a rapidly expanding China with a semi-permanent leader whose political and social interests are not shared by even its neighbors?

    Anyway to get back on topic, the judge did not reverse the ultimate ban but only put a hold on the demand that both Apple and Google remove the app from their respective app stores today. 
    Good luck with that
  • Reply 20 of 26
    spheric said:
    georgie01 said:
    "Show us your Facts please Mr.  President"
    "Uhh,  what are those?   What are facts?   We don't need no stinkin facts!    Never liked them.   Never used them.   Lies and smear campaigns are better than truth and facts any day!"
    Yes, because a president is not privy to more information than the average citizen. And in the unlikely event a president knows something the citizens don’t, he is obligated to tell them everything. If he doesn’t tell them everything, perhaps because every single president in the history of the US knows that certain information is not suitable for public awareness, then it’s basically the same thing as the president not having any reason.
    I see your sarcasm, and raise you: Trump's twitter feed. Next round: Bob Woodward's tapes. 

    The man is absolutely notoriously resistant to ANY advice or info that contradict his bizarre little world view, be it from economic advisers, the State Department, the CDC, epidemiologists, or the fucking Pentagon

    He has NO idea about TikTok; he just saw a way to maybe funnel a check through a charity into his own pocket, to spend on reëlection campaigning. 
    If the Woodward tapes are your gambling chip, either cash in now, or prepare to be fleeced. 
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