This is a TERRIBLE IDEA. I was against Apple TV+ because I don’t think Apple should be creating content.. this is much much scarier to me. As much as I love Apple my politics don’t line up with them and Big Tech Censorship of Conservative Voices is a HUGE PROBLEM. I don’t think Apple would play it any different from Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg. We will see more one-sided censorship. How ironic that 1984 was the inspiration for the Apple’s ad decades ago.. people are now getting de-platformed for “wrong think”. Our own President is censored on Twitter! Does Apple really wanna be doing this? I do not like this.
Given "wrong think" in this case is literally harmful misinformation, I'm all for it.
I’m sure Apple stockholders won’t be happy; that’s a big slice of revenue gone and given Apple’s privacy stance they won’t monetize the data to make up for it.
For those saying this would put Apple in the crosshairs for monopoly rulings, I disagree. Apple customers willingly pay a premium for the quality of service - hw and sw - and security. There are options.
Apple has become a monopoly due to it's expansive halo of product and services. The App is a monopoly which dictates rates and it is the only way for a developer to sell an app for the worlds best phone.
Good thing for Apple that's not what "monopoly" means!
China has 3 main search engines(Baidu, Qihoo360/Haosou, Sogou), so company like Apple if decides to have their own search engine than it can be done. It may take some time to come at the level of Google but can be done with Apple's focus,talent and resources. Apple MAP is very good example. It was laughing matter when released but now I love to use Apple Map as my default map navigation and don't miss Google map. Wish IOS 14 would let me set default to Apple Map.
I’m sure Apple stockholders won’t be happy; that’s a big slice of revenue gone and given Apple’s privacy stance they won’t monetize the data to make up for it.
For those saying this would put Apple in the crosshairs for monopoly rulings, I disagree. Apple customers willingly pay a premium for the quality of service - hw and sw - and security. There are options.
I worry that Apple would be tempted into the Ad business by this, further straining the alignment of priorities between them and their users.
I’m sure Apple stockholders won’t be happy; that’s a big slice of revenue gone and given Apple’s privacy stance they won’t monetize the data to make up for it.
For those saying this would put Apple in the crosshairs for monopoly rulings, I disagree. Apple customers willingly pay a premium for the quality of service - hw and sw - and security. There are options.
I worry that Apple would be tempted into the Ad business by this, further straining the alignment of priorities between them and their users.
I’m sure Apple stockholders won’t be happy; that’s a big slice of revenue gone and given Apple’s privacy stance they won’t monetize the data to make up for it.
For those saying this would put Apple in the crosshairs for monopoly rulings, I disagree. Apple customers willingly pay a premium for the quality of service - hw and sw - and security. There are options.
Apple has become a monopoly due to it's expansive halo of product and services. The App is a monopoly which dictates rates and it is the only way for a developer to sell an app for the worlds best phone.
"Monopoly" doesn't mean what you think it means. Try again.
I’m pretty sure Apple shareholders won’t give a sh*t.
I agree. And more importantly - the day Apple worries more about shareholders than product developer and user experience is the day the Apple brand begins to evaporate.
Which is actually a lot more important than the point I was trying to make. Once Apple puts shareholder interest above its customers – game over.
Would love Apple to demolish Google search and ads for making knockoffs after stealing secrets from Apple's iPhone.
Look at this way: if Google hadn't stolen the ideas then they would have released that piece of crap they originally planned to release. Can you imagine the kind of anti-trust investigations Apple would be facing today?
As much as I love Apple my politics don’t line up with them and Big Tech Censorship of Conservative Voices is a HUGE PROBLEM.
And by 'Big Tech Censorship', you mean that conservative voices should be allowed to lie with impunity. You have the Fox Channel for that, you'll be fine.
I’m sure Apple stockholders won’t be happy; that’s a big slice of revenue gone and given Apple’s privacy stance they won’t monetize the data to make up for it.
For those saying this would put Apple in the crosshairs for monopoly rulings, I disagree. Apple customers willingly pay a premium for the quality of service - hw and sw - and security. There are options.
Apple has become a monopoly due to it's expansive halo of product and services. The App is a monopoly which dictates rates and it is the only way for a developer to sell an app for the worlds best phone.
Luckily, ‘best’ is nowhere present in the legal definition of monopoly.
Indeed.
And as people are doing their best to forget, there is nothing illegal about being a monopoly.
This is a TERRIBLE IDEA. I was against Apple TV+ because I don’t think Apple should be creating content.. this is much much scarier to me. As much as I love Apple my politics don’t line up with them and Big Tech Censorship of Conservative Voices is a HUGE PROBLEM. I don’t think Apple would play it any different from Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg. We will see more one-sided censorship. How ironic that 1984 was the inspiration for the Apple’s ad decades ago.. people are now getting de-platformed for “wrong think”. Our own President is censored on Twitter! Does Apple really wanna be doing this? I do not like this.
History will show that what’s being censored is mistruths, misdirection and misinformation. It just happens there’s one major source of that above all others these past few years.
What an amusing comment, especially in light of current events....
The reason why the powers that be, whether over in China or right here in Silicon Valley, feel the need to censor information is because such information is generally true. For if it were false, it would die off soon enough on its own accord.
Take the recent censorship efforts over Hunter Biden's laptop for example. If this laptop were indeed a hoax, some sort of "russian disinfo" what have you, then there would hardly be a reason to censor it. For if fake, people would quickly punch holes in its contents, the NY Post who broke the story would be turned into laughingstocks, and that would be that. But since the laptop appears genuine and is damaging to big tech's preferred candidate, well then, better hurry up and censor it before word gets out.
In like manner any cursory glance through history will show that whatever the authorities have tried to ban in any given year, have inevitably been because such ideas were true, either in whole or in part.
2020 then is no different from historical norms whether the censored ideas are political, or medical, such as what we've seen with covid....
The good news though is information wants to be free, so ultimately the CCP & Silicon Valley will fail in their efforts.
Liberals have Silicon Valley and conservatives have religion. One wants to suppress what people can say via their services, and the other wants to oppress what people can do in their own lives.
This is a TERRIBLE IDEA. I was against Apple TV+ because I don’t think Apple should be creating content.. this is much much scarier to me. As much as I love Apple my politics don’t line up with them and Big Tech Censorship of Conservative Voices is a HUGE PROBLEM. I don’t think Apple would play it any different from Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg. We will see more one-sided censorship. How ironic that 1984 was the inspiration for the Apple’s ad decades ago.. people are now getting de-platformed for “wrong think”. Our own President is censored on Twitter! Does Apple really wanna be doing this? I do not like this.
History will show that what’s being censored is mistruths, misdirection and misinformation. It just happens there’s one major source of that above all others these past few years.
Exactly. It's actually reality-based conservative voices that have been largely silenced in the conservative media echo chambers, ostracized as "RINOs," etc. The world gets better when "alternative facts" aren't legitimized as top results on mainstream search engines. Conservatism is actually well-served when the fact-free fringe is pushed back to the margins where it belongs, so that the responsible adults can use things like reliable search results to debate the issues of the day in a civil manner.
This is a TERRIBLE IDEA. I was against Apple TV+ because I don’t think Apple should be creating content.. this is much much scarier to me. As much as I love Apple my politics don’t line up with them and Big Tech Censorship of Conservative Voices is a HUGE PROBLEM. I don’t think Apple would play it any different from Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg. We will see more one-sided censorship. How ironic that 1984 was the inspiration for the Apple’s ad decades ago.. people are now getting de-platformed for “wrong think”. Our own President is censored on Twitter! Does Apple really wanna be doing this? I do not like this.
History will show that what’s being censored is mistruths, misdirection and misinformation. It just happens there’s one major source of that above all others these past few years.
... For if fake, people would quickly punch holes in its contents, the NY Post who broke the story would be turned into laughingstocks, and that would be that. ...
Outside the echo chamber, that's already happened. To the rest of the world, that would indeed be that.
Would love Apple to demolish Google search and ads for making knockoffs after stealing secrets from Apple's iPhone.
Look at this way: if Google hadn't stolen the ideas then they would have released that piece of crap they originally planned to release. Can you imagine the kind of anti-trust investigations Apple would be facing today?
Outside the echo chamber, that's already happened. To the rest of the world, that would indeed be that.
You really believe what you just wrote?? Well then, you're in for a rude surprise when the indictments start to drop.
The FBI currently has three separate teams combing over Hunter's laptop, one dealing with money laundering, one for child exploitation, and then a third team as well.
Sure, the press is hoping they can bury the story and people will forget, but we'll see how that strategy plays out for the laptop is indeed legit and those who suggest otherwise are playing partisan politics.
This is not a forum on politics, so I will just note that you are stating as fact things that, outside of the conservative media echo chamber, have not at all been established as facts. Making my comment topical to this forum I will just add that it is welcome for search engines to not affirm that sort of unverified info by offering such things as "top results."
This is a TERRIBLE IDEA. I was against Apple TV+ because I don’t think Apple should be creating content.. this is much much scarier to me. As much as I love Apple my politics don’t line up with them and Big Tech Censorship of Conservative Voices is a HUGE PROBLEM. I don’t think Apple would play it any different from Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg. We will see more one-sided censorship. How ironic that 1984 was the inspiration for the Apple’s ad decades ago.. people are now getting de-platformed for “wrong think”. Our own President is censored on Twitter! Does Apple really wanna be doing this? I do not like this.
For starters, it seems odd that anyone would object to Apple creating TV content, but I guess that's an issue for another thread. As for censorship, who knows what Apple will do? Is having another choice really such a bad thing? Even if they did censor searches, are you any worse off than you are now?
You can be worse off. Now you have one more source for false witness. A source that has spent years building its reputation in one area now attempting to used it’s earn status in a new specialty. The default is people will automatically trust what information/results Apple presents. Political philosophy/point of view on topics is completely different than delivering a product.
This is a TERRIBLE IDEA. I was against Apple TV+ because I don’t think Apple should be creating content.. this is much much scarier to me. As much as I love Apple my politics don’t line up with them and Big Tech Censorship of Conservative Voices is a HUGE PROBLEM. I don’t think Apple would play it any different from Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg. We will see more one-sided censorship. How ironic that 1984 was the inspiration for the Apple’s ad decades ago.. people are now getting de-platformed for “wrong think”. Our own President is censored on Twitter! Does Apple really wanna be doing this? I do not like this.
History will show that what’s being censored is mistruths, misdirection and misinformation. It just happens there’s one major source of that above all others these past few years.
You get to moderate these forums. Thankfully you don’t get to moderate more than that. There are emails, videos, recordings, text messages, witnesses, willing to tell what they saw, heard, wrote, and you do not want them to have a voice. Meanwhile we spent 3.5 years on accusations and unnamed sources and you’re fine with that?
There are people out there that think the world is flat. Others think it is hollow with aliens living inside. Yet more don’t believe the holocaust happened. What if one of those people gained control to the levers and switches of Google or Bing. Do they have the right to decide what’s a mistruth, misdirection, yadda, yadda?
Outside the echo chamber, that's already happened. To the rest of the world, that would indeed be that.
You really believe what you just wrote?? Well then, you're in for a rude surprise when the indictments start to drop.
The FBI currently has three separate teams combing over Hunter's laptop, one dealing with money laundering, one for child exploitation, and then a third team as well.
Sure, the press is hoping they can bury the story and people will forget, but we'll see how that strategy plays out for the laptop is indeed legit and those who suggest otherwise are playing partisan politics.
This is not a forum on politics, so I will just note that you are stating as fact things that, outside of the conservative media echo chamber, have not at all been established as facts. Making my comment topical to this forum I will just add that it is welcome for search engines to not affirm that sort of unverified info by offering such things as "top results."
We’re a week and a half in to it. Give it time. If you are as open as you claim to be you should be eager to see what happens instead of silencing everyone. This is just like the left when they jumped on Trump when he said his wires were tapped. Took them 2 minutes to say no they weren’t instead of even bothering to look in to it. No apologies were given when it was proven true.
If Apple Search is anything like Apple Maps or Siri, NO THANKS! If someone can give me an alternative to Google Search that is AS GOOD, then I might switch, but I know, in fact, there isn't one. Someone above said DuckDuckGo isn't as good, and ever try Bing? It's a joke.
Be careful what you wish for.
Sounds like FUD to me.
I use Apple Maps exclusively and it works great for the directions I need. It appears to be more limited in terms of finding businesses (e.g., a search for "swimming pool supplies"), but that's not my primary use case (which is getting me where I want to go).
And Bing works just fine as well. What obscure searches are you doing that Bing (or DuckDuckGo) doesn't give you reasonable, useful results? Google is insanely powerful, but, for my purposes, it's way more than I need.
Seriously, provide an example of a search query that Google nails that completely foils DDG or Bing.
I use Apple maps as well and have no issues. I see people make these claims of how badly it performs and always assume they aren't in US after this many years. I used maps just this past weekend to get to a friends new house on a tiny private road up in West End ( Pocono Area ) here in Pennsylvania. Apple maps was turn for turn accurate. If people don't know PA this area is in the middle of the mountains and rural enough to have acres of land between homes.
I also us DDG as my primary search. Unless I am unable to find something and I will default to Google. An example is searching for something by part # or model #. I find that DDG requires more info than Google to come up with what I am looking for.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAd
Bing gives random results and Google just throws up a bunch of fan sites for Stargate.
I still don't know what would happen.
Don't let me down Apple.
The excellent Ted Lasso disproves your point.
And by 'Big Tech Censorship', you mean that conservative voices should be allowed to lie with impunity. You have the Fox Channel for that, you'll be fine.
Indeed.
And as people are doing their best to forget, there is nothing illegal about being a monopoly.
Liberals have Silicon Valley and conservatives have religion. One wants to suppress what people can say via their services, and the other wants to oppress what people can do in their own lives.
Sounds fair to me. /s
If Google had "stolen the iPhone secrets" then why were they surprised when the iPhone was revealed? Very obviously they had not. LOL
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/the-day-google-had-to-start-over-on-android/282479/
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111021/16380816459/steve-jobs-was-willing-to-rip-off-everyone-else-was-pissed-about-android-copying-iphone.shtml
You can be worse off. Now you have one more source for false witness. A source that has spent years building its reputation in one area now attempting to used it’s earn status in a new specialty. The default is people will automatically trust what information/results Apple presents. Political philosophy/point of view on topics is completely different than delivering a product.
You get to moderate these forums. Thankfully you don’t get to moderate more than that. There are emails, videos, recordings, text messages, witnesses, willing to tell what they saw, heard, wrote, and you do not want them to have a voice. Meanwhile we spent 3.5 years on accusations and unnamed sources and you’re fine with that?
There are people out there that think the world is flat. Others think it is hollow with aliens living inside. Yet more don’t believe the holocaust happened. What if one of those people gained control to the levers and switches of Google or Bing. Do they have the right to decide what’s a mistruth, misdirection, yadda, yadda?