If cameras are such a big deal get an SLR. Most of these made on iPhone commercials use thousands of dollars of extra lenses and a team of people to run it all. For me the 12 is iterative and the networks are not really ready for 5G. As an Apple shareholder, I love cool aid articles like this as more iPhone sales means more money for me but I will pass and take a look at the 13 next year.
As someone who has purchased a new iPhone every year since 2007, I find Apple upgrades to be almost always worth the expense. For me, the best thing about the new iPhone 12 models is that QUALCOMM will be inside instead of Intel.
I’m always amazed at all of the “I’m unimpressed” comments that come every year when Apple updates the iPhone, as if they expect the world to be reinvented overnight on an annual basis. Except for the original iPhone each iteration of the iPhone has arguably been incremental. That doesn’t mean that the phone isn’t worthy. I just bought the iPhone 12 Pro, which I plan on keeping 3-4 years just like I did my last phone. I don’t buy a new car, refrigerator, or TV every year either. Yet somehow the cars, appliances, and TVs that I own today are many times better than the ones I owned many years ago. Same with this phone. If you are ready to buy a new phone, then it is fantastic. If you are happy with the one you own, then wait a few years.
My car will be 21 in April. Part of the reason I haven't gone for a new one is that they really don't offer me anything mine doesn't already have. Cars have pretty much stagnated. Cell Phones? The pace of improvement is pretty much slowing but far from the stagnation we see in the auto industry (except for Tesla and the like -- which are out of my price range).
The new MagSafe system makes wireless charging seem even more impractical than it already did. Apart from the fact that the name doesn’t really make sense, since unlike the previous system for laptops there’s no clear safety advantage, the new MagSafe is also clunky and inefficient. You need a bunch of magnets in the phone and a big puck on the other side, and it’s slower and less efficient (more wasteful) than a lightning cable. A better solution would be something more like the original MagSafe, or the Smart Connector on an iPad, which would be every bit as easy to connect and disconnect, would not require as many magnets in the phone or the big puck on the cable (saving weight and bulk in both), and would charge just as fast as the Lightning cable and would waste less energy than Qi, because there would be a direct connection of metal to metal. Yes, you would still need an internal coil if you wanted support for Qi charging, but value of that is arguably a separate discussion.
Yes, it's curious why the original MagSafe idea didn't spread out to iPads and iPhones. Perhaps the higher risks for electrical shorts and corrosion of the contact pads on devices that ostensibly are exposed to a lot more fluids, dust, and who knows what else kills the idea every single time. Maybe that's why the Smart Connector never made it to iPhones. Interestingly, the idea of magnetically latching contact charging pins are in AirPods, and many in-ear cordless headphones. I'm not enamored with contact pin charging on headphones. Just not good for people who workout and sweat gets all over the contact pads and the speaker covers. So, it's not a big win, imo.
The modern MagSafe is essentially the Apple Watch magnetic latching inductive charging idea, but designed for the iPhone 12. It trades out the convenience of zero force lifting of a phone off its inductive charging pad for the convenience knowing that the inductive charging coils are properly aligned, so that inductive charging would be at its most efficient. People who have a inductive charging pad at the desk need to go find some heavier MagSafe compatible pads or tape down the Apple one. Or, perhaps you can slide the iPhone 12 off it very easily and the MagSafe charger will stay where its at.
After more than a year with the Apple Watch, I think this type of charging design is a net win. Too bad about AirPower though. Wish they made that work.
MacBook style Magsafe never made it to the iPhone because the iPhone only every had a combined power and data port. Making it power only like the MacBook would have eliminated a lot of functionality.
Eventually it will all be wireless though. But that will involve obsoleting a lot of peripherals looking for a wire.
I’m always amazed at all of the “I’m unimpressed” comments that come every year when Apple updates the iPhone, as if they expect the world to be reinvented overnight on an annual basis. Except for the original iPhone each iteration of the iPhone has arguably been incremental. That doesn’t mean that the phone isn’t worthy. I just bought the iPhone 12 Pro, which I plan on keeping 3-4 years just like I did my last phone. I don’t buy a new car, refrigerator, or TV every year either. Yet somehow the cars, appliances, and TVs that I own today are many times better than the ones I owned many years ago. Same with this phone. If you are ready to buy a new phone, then it is fantastic. If you are happy with the one you own, then wait a few years.
My car will be 21 in April. Part of the reason I haven't gone for a new one is that they really don't offer me anything mine doesn't already have. Cars have pretty much stagnated. Cell Phones? The pace of improvement is pretty much slowing but far from the stagnation we see in the auto industry (except for Tesla and the like -- which are out of my price range).
That's an amazingly ignorant comment about the automobile industry. You have every right to say that you're fine owning an old clunky automobile spanning 3 decades, or that you really don't like or understand the new technologies being utilized, and you can even make claims about how you can fix it more easily and cheaply now but will lose that option when you buy a modern vehicle, but you can't claim that they have nothing to offer.
I'm not even going to list the ways in which automobiles are safer, more efficient, or better built because comparing 20th century automobile tech to what is available in 2020 would take many hours just to list the bullet points without even getting into the minutia of what really makes certain companies, vehicles, and feature sets worth developing.
I’m always amazed at all of the “I’m unimpressed” comments that come every year when Apple updates the iPhone, as if they expect the world to be reinvented overnight on an annual basis. Except for the original iPhone each iteration of the iPhone has arguably been incremental. That doesn’t mean that the phone isn’t worthy. I just bought the iPhone 12 Pro, which I plan on keeping 3-4 years just like I did my last phone. I don’t buy a new car, refrigerator, or TV every year either. Yet somehow the cars, appliances, and TVs that I own today are many times better than the ones I owned many years ago. Same with this phone. If you are ready to buy a new phone, then it is fantastic. If you are happy with the one you own, then wait a few years.
My car will be 21 in April. Part of the reason I haven't gone for a new one is that they really don't offer me anything mine doesn't already have. Cars have pretty much stagnated. Cell Phones? The pace of improvement is pretty much slowing but far from the stagnation we see in the auto industry (except for Tesla and the like -- which are out of my price range).
That's an amazingly ignorant comment about the automobile industry. You have every right to say that you're fine owning an old clunky automobile spanning 3 decades, or that you really don't like or understand the new technologies being utilized, and you can even make claims about how you can fix it more easily and cheaply now but will lose that option when you buy a modern vehicle, but you can't claim that they have nothing to offer.
I'm not even going to list the ways in which automobiles are safer, more efficient, or better built because comparing 20th century automobile tech to what is available in 2020 would take many hours just to list the bullet points without even getting into the minutia of what really makes certain companies, vehicles, and feature sets worth developing.
Sorry, but when I look at or drive a new car, I simply don't see anything there that my 21 year old car doesn't already have. Admittedly, the driver assist features are tempting. But I find them weak. The auto industry had been stagnating technologically for 30 years until Japan woke it up in the 80's but since then it has stagnated once again.
But we will see some major advances happening over the next decade as the industry abandons its 100 year old internal combustion engines and launches new technologies along with automated driving features. And, that's another reason why I hesitate to throw away a car that does everything a "modern" car can do and does it well: I'm waiting for the auto industry to get off their butts and open their doors to the coming technological revolution they have been resisting. (like the American steel industry of the 1980's, they are milking old technology for all its worth rather than investing in new).
I’m always amazed at all of the “I’m unimpressed” comments that come every year when Apple updates the iPhone, as if they expect the world to be reinvented overnight on an annual basis. Except for the original iPhone each iteration of the iPhone has arguably been incremental. That doesn’t mean that the phone isn’t worthy. I just bought the iPhone 12 Pro, which I plan on keeping 3-4 years just like I did my last phone. I don’t buy a new car, refrigerator, or TV every year either. Yet somehow the cars, appliances, and TVs that I own today are many times better than the ones I owned many years ago. Same with this phone. If you are ready to buy a new phone, then it is fantastic. If you are happy with the one you own, then wait a few years.
My car will be 21 in April. Part of the reason I haven't gone for a new one is that they really don't offer me anything mine doesn't already have. Cars have pretty much stagnated. Cell Phones? The pace of improvement is pretty much slowing but far from the stagnation we see in the auto industry (except for Tesla and the like -- which are out of my price range).
That's an amazingly ignorant comment about the automobile industry. You have every right to say that you're fine owning an old clunky automobile spanning 3 decades, or that you really don't like or understand the new technologies being utilized, and you can even make claims about how you can fix it more easily and cheaply now but will lose that option when you buy a modern vehicle, but you can't claim that they have nothing to offer.
I'm not even going to list the ways in which automobiles are safer, more efficient, or better built because comparing 20th century automobile tech to what is available in 2020 would take many hours just to list the bullet points without even getting into the minutia of what really makes certain companies, vehicles, and feature sets worth developing.
Sorry, but when I look at or drive a new car, I simply don't see anything there that my 21 year old car doesn't already have. Admittedly, the driver assist features are tempting. But I find them weak. The auto industry had been stagnating technologically for 30 years until Japan woke it up in the 80's but since then it has stagnated once again.
But we will see some major advances happening over the next decade as the industry abandons its 100 year old internal combustion engines and launches new technologies along with automated driving features. And, that's another reason why I hesitate to throw away a car that does everything a "modern" car can do and does it well: I'm waiting for the auto industry to get off their butts and open their doors to the coming technological revolution they have been resisting. (like the American steel industry of the 1980's, they are milking old technology for all its worth rather than investing in new).
Don't confuse a lack of compression and awareness with a lack of engineering. It's the same thing people do with the "S-version" of the iPhone that looks pretty much the same to the ignorant eye but has major engineering differences.
I’m always amazed at all of the “I’m unimpressed” comments that come every year when Apple updates the iPhone, as if they expect the world to be reinvented overnight on an annual basis. Except for the original iPhone each iteration of the iPhone has arguably been incremental. That doesn’t mean that the phone isn’t worthy. I just bought the iPhone 12 Pro, which I plan on keeping 3-4 years just like I did my last phone. I don’t buy a new car, refrigerator, or TV every year either. Yet somehow the cars, appliances, and TVs that I own today are many times better than the ones I owned many years ago. Same with this phone. If you are ready to buy a new phone, then it is fantastic. If you are happy with the one you own, then wait a few years.
My car will be 21 in April. Part of the reason I haven't gone for a new one is that they really don't offer me anything mine doesn't already have. Cars have pretty much stagnated. Cell Phones? The pace of improvement is pretty much slowing but far from the stagnation we see in the auto industry (except for Tesla and the like -- which are out of my price range).
That's an amazingly ignorant comment about the automobile industry. You have every right to say that you're fine owning an old clunky automobile spanning 3 decades, or that you really don't like or understand the new technologies being utilized, and you can even make claims about how you can fix it more easily and cheaply now but will lose that option when you buy a modern vehicle, but you can't claim that they have nothing to offer.
I'm not even going to list the ways in which automobiles are safer, more efficient, or better built because comparing 20th century automobile tech to what is available in 2020 would take many hours just to list the bullet points without even getting into the minutia of what really makes certain companies, vehicles, and feature sets worth developing.
Sorry, but when I look at or drive a new car, I simply don't see anything there that my 21 year old car doesn't already have. Admittedly, the driver assist features are tempting. But I find them weak. The auto industry had been stagnating technologically for 30 years until Japan woke it up in the 80's but since then it has stagnated once again.
But we will see some major advances happening over the next decade as the industry abandons its 100 year old internal combustion engines and launches new technologies along with automated driving features. And, that's another reason why I hesitate to throw away a car that does everything a "modern" car can do and does it well: I'm waiting for the auto industry to get off their butts and open their doors to the coming technological revolution they have been resisting. (like the American steel industry of the 1980's, they are milking old technology for all its worth rather than investing in new).
Don't confuse a lack of compression and awareness with a lack of engineering. It's the same thing people do with the "S-version" of the iPhone that looks pretty much the same to the ignorant eye but has major engineering differences.
So what are the engineering differences? 4 cylinders instead of 6? either one gets me where I want to go pretty much the same way.
I’m always amazed at all of the “I’m unimpressed” comments that come every year when Apple updates the iPhone, as if they expect the world to be reinvented overnight on an annual basis. Except for the original iPhone each iteration of the iPhone has arguably been incremental. That doesn’t mean that the phone isn’t worthy. I just bought the iPhone 12 Pro, which I plan on keeping 3-4 years just like I did my last phone. I don’t buy a new car, refrigerator, or TV every year either. Yet somehow the cars, appliances, and TVs that I own today are many times better than the ones I owned many years ago. Same with this phone. If you are ready to buy a new phone, then it is fantastic. If you are happy with the one you own, then wait a few years.
My car will be 21 in April. Part of the reason I haven't gone for a new one is that they really don't offer me anything mine doesn't already have. Cars have pretty much stagnated. Cell Phones? The pace of improvement is pretty much slowing but far from the stagnation we see in the auto industry (except for Tesla and the like -- which are out of my price range).
That's an amazingly ignorant comment about the automobile industry. You have every right to say that you're fine owning an old clunky automobile spanning 3 decades, or that you really don't like or understand the new technologies being utilized, and you can even make claims about how you can fix it more easily and cheaply now but will lose that option when you buy a modern vehicle, but you can't claim that they have nothing to offer.
I'm not even going to list the ways in which automobiles are safer, more efficient, or better built because comparing 20th century automobile tech to what is available in 2020 would take many hours just to list the bullet points without even getting into the minutia of what really makes certain companies, vehicles, and feature sets worth developing.
Sorry, but when I look at or drive a new car, I simply don't see anything there that my 21 year old car doesn't already have. Admittedly, the driver assist features are tempting. But I find them weak. The auto industry had been stagnating technologically for 30 years until Japan woke it up in the 80's but since then it has stagnated once again.
But we will see some major advances happening over the next decade as the industry abandons its 100 year old internal combustion engines and launches new technologies along with automated driving features. And, that's another reason why I hesitate to throw away a car that does everything a "modern" car can do and does it well: I'm waiting for the auto industry to get off their butts and open their doors to the coming technological revolution they have been resisting. (like the American steel industry of the 1980's, they are milking old technology for all its worth rather than investing in new).
Don't confuse a lack of compression and awareness with a lack of engineering. It's the same thing people do with the "S-version" of the iPhone that looks pretty much the same to the ignorant eye but has major engineering differences.
So what are the engineering differences? 4 cylinders instead of 6? either one gets me where I want to go pretty much the same way.
Ah, the same argument as to why some generic device is just as good as anything Apple produces without the "Apple tax". Well done, but you're going to wear out that shovel the way you keep digging those holes.
iPhone 12 mini for me. I don’t care about the camera upgrades, and the rest of the upgrades are incremental. I’ll take that smaller price and smaller phone.
I agree with the meh comments. I have an iPhone XR and I don't see a huge benefit of having flat sides and an OLED screen that isn't that great, as OLEDs go. At least the mini is something new. I just think the display is going to be too small (2mm narrower than an iPhone 8) for most people. It also feels like completely the wrong time to be increasing prices.
Glad you came here & created an account just to say this one post...
Sad how far iphone has lag behind if this is considered a massive upgrade.
This is at best a mid tier phone in the android universe. No fingerprint reader, come on we are masking up now. No high refresh screen. No 10 or even 5x zoom. Biggest notch out there woohoo but mediocre front facing cam. Smallest batt known to men and slow af charging.
I don’t compare specs, which is why I don’t care about the world best cpu or USB c. The features that I listed above impact my user experience.
I’m always amazed at all of the “I’m unimpressed” comments that come every year when Apple updates the iPhone, as if they expect the world to be reinvented overnight on an annual basis. Except for the original iPhone each iteration of the iPhone has arguably been incremental. That doesn’t mean that the phone isn’t worthy. I just bought the iPhone 12 Pro, which I plan on keeping 3-4 years just like I did my last phone. I don’t buy a new car, refrigerator, or TV every year either. Yet somehow the cars, appliances, and TVs that I own today are many times better than the ones I owned many years ago. Same with this phone. If you are ready to buy a new phone, then it is fantastic. If you are happy with the one you own, then wait a few years.
My car will be 21 in April. Part of the reason I haven't gone for a new one is that they really don't offer me anything mine doesn't already have. Cars have pretty much stagnated. Cell Phones? The pace of improvement is pretty much slowing but far from the stagnation we see in the auto industry (except for Tesla and the like -- which are out of my price range).
That's an amazingly ignorant comment about the automobile industry. You have every right to say that you're fine owning an old clunky automobile spanning 3 decades, or that you really don't like or understand the new technologies being utilized, and you can even make claims about how you can fix it more easily and cheaply now but will lose that option when you buy a modern vehicle, but you can't claim that they have nothing to offer.
I'm not even going to list the ways in which automobiles are safer, more efficient, or better built because comparing 20th century automobile tech to what is available in 2020 would take many hours just to list the bullet points without even getting into the minutia of what really makes certain companies, vehicles, and feature sets worth developing.
Sorry, but when I look at or drive a new car, I simply don't see anything there that my 21 year old car doesn't already have. Admittedly, the driver assist features are tempting. But I find them weak. The auto industry had been stagnating technologically for 30 years until Japan woke it up in the 80's but since then it has stagnated once again.
But we will see some major advances happening over the next decade as the industry abandons its 100 year old internal combustion engines and launches new technologies along with automated driving features. And, that's another reason why I hesitate to throw away a car that does everything a "modern" car can do and does it well: I'm waiting for the auto industry to get off their butts and open their doors to the coming technological revolution they have been resisting. (like the American steel industry of the 1980's, they are milking old technology for all its worth rather than investing in new).
Don't confuse a lack of compression and awareness with a lack of engineering. It's the same thing people do with the "S-version" of the iPhone that looks pretty much the same to the ignorant eye but has major engineering differences.
So what are the engineering differences? 4 cylinders instead of 6? either one gets me where I want to go pretty much the same way.
Ah, the same argument as to why some generic device is just as good as anything Apple produces without the "Apple tax". Well done, but you're going to wear out that shovel the way you keep digging those holes.
You're babbling nonsense again. All over the map. Diversion and personal attacks. They're always a sign of a weak argument.
Sad how far iphone has lag behind if this is considered a massive upgrade.
This is at best a mid tier phone in the android universe. No fingerprint reader, come on we are masking up now. No high refresh screen. No 10 or even 5x zoom. Biggest notch out there woohoo but mediocre front facing cam. Smallest batt known to men and slow af charging.
I don’t compare specs, which is why I don’t care about the world best cpu or USB c. The features that I listed above impact my user experience.
While the iPhone has many hardware features that put any Android to shame, that misses the point of owning an iPhone.
iPhone users are there for the experience (which includes features of Apple's ecosystem, and reliable systems that just work) rather than glitzy hardware features.
Only looking at hardware (where Apple holds it own) is only looking at half the picture.
iPhone 12 mini for me. I don’t care about the camera upgrades, and the rest of the upgrades are incremental. I’ll take that smaller price and smaller phone.
I agree with the meh comments. I have an iPhone XR and I don't see a huge benefit of having flat sides and an OLED screen that isn't that great, as OLEDs go. At least the mini is something new. I just think the display is going to be too small (2mm narrower than an iPhone 8) for most people. It also feels like completely the wrong time to be increasing prices.
Glad you came here & created an account just to say this one post...
iPhone 12 mini for me. I don’t care about the camera upgrades, and the rest of the upgrades are incremental. I’ll take that smaller price and smaller phone.
I agree with the meh comments. I have an iPhone XR and I don't see a huge benefit of having flat sides and an OLED screen that isn't that great, as OLEDs go. At least the mini is something new. I just think the display is going to be too small (2mm narrower than an iPhone 8) for most people. It also feels like completely the wrong time to be increasing prices.
Glad you came here & created an account just to say this one post...
And the prices did not increase!
What a pointless comment. Get a life dude.
American politics have made it a pretty common approach: If you don't like what the messenger says, attack the messenger. He obviously didn't like what you said. He should have addressed the points you made if he thought they were invalid. But instead he attacked you. Weak.
My upgrade cycle is every 2-3 years, so what is offered by the iPhone 12 is certainly appealing. The biggest draw probably being the much improved camera.
The one thing that would have been amazing, would be the same side based finger print reader as on the iPad. I say this as in the context of 2020, where masks are an inconvenience to face recognition based biometrics. Hopefully they’ll find a way to squeeze it into the 2021 model.
Sad how far iphone has lag behind if this is considered a massive upgrade.
This is at best a mid tier phone in the android universe. No fingerprint reader, come on we are masking up now. No high refresh screen. No 10 or even 5x zoom. Biggest notch out there woohoo but mediocre front facing cam. Smallest batt known to men and slow af charging.
I don’t compare specs, which is why I don’t care about the world best cpu or USB c. The features that I listed above impact my user experience.
While the iPhone has many hardware features that put any Android to shame, that misses the point of owning an iPhone.
iPhone users are there for the experience (which includes features of Apple's ecosystem, and reliable systems that just work) rather than glitzy hardware features.
Only looking at hardware (where Apple holds it own) is only looking at half the picture.
Look I like iOS and apples customer’s service. But that’s it. iPhone’s hardware is lagging badly and the thick bezel and ugly colors of the non pro... man I was hoping apple design will get better without jony but it sadly isn’t the case. If it weren’t for Apple Watch and AirPods/HomePod I’d be switching to an android phone. Damn ecosystem.
Personally I was never a fan of the square sided phones. Nothing against the looks, I just found that I dropped my 4s(?) a whole lot more often than I did my 3G with rounded sides, or my 6s that I got after it. A case generally negates that issue, though.
Agreed on form factor, the 3G and 3GS were my personal favs. I have the 12 Pro and the flat sides seem to provide less surface area to grip, you're gripping the edge point rather than entire wrap around touch points. Pros and cons.
I disagree. I liked the squares sides and chamfered edges of the 5s. It was my favorite form factor. It felt comfortable in my hands, the sharper edges gripped my hand better, more friction than the rounded. I didn’t drop my 5S at all, whereas I’ve dropped the 7 a multitude of times in the first 2 years.
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My car will be 21 in April. Part of the reason I haven't gone for a new one is that they really don't offer me anything mine doesn't already have. Cars have pretty much stagnated. Cell Phones? The pace of improvement is pretty much slowing but far from the stagnation we see in the auto industry (except for Tesla and the like -- which are out of my price range).
I'm not even going to list the ways in which automobiles are safer, more efficient, or better built because comparing 20th century automobile tech to what is available in 2020 would take many hours just to list the bullet points without even getting into the minutia of what really makes certain companies, vehicles, and feature sets worth developing.
So what are the engineering differences? 4 cylinders instead of 6? either one gets me where I want to go pretty much the same way.
And the prices did not increase!
American politics have made it a pretty common approach: If you don't like what the messenger says, attack the messenger. He obviously didn't like what you said. He should have addressed the points you made if he thought they were invalid. But instead he attacked you. Weak.