Here's what to expect from Samsung's Galaxy S21, S21+, and Ultra launches

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Samsung is anticipated to reveal its Galaxy S21, S21+, and S21 Ultra smartphones on January 14, but how will the new generation compare to the current crop of iPhones? We look at the rumors for Apple's biggest rival.

Render of the Samsung Galaxy S21 [Steve Hemmerstoffer, OnLeaks]
Render of the Samsung Galaxy S21 [Steve Hemmerstoffer, OnLeaks]


While fall is synonymous with Apple events revealing new iPhone models, the spring is associated with the same sort of product launches from Samsung, as it reveals the newest Galaxy S-models. Just like the iPhone, Samsung's latest models are often the subject of rumors and speculation for how the South Korean electronics giant will compete against the recently-launched Apple smartphones.

With the launch of the 5G-equipped iPhone 12 range, including the compact iPhone 12 mini and the two iPhone 12 Pro models with LiDAR, Samsung has a lot to contend with for its early 2021 launches.

Here's what we believe Samsung will be launching, based on the rumors and leaks that have already surfaced, and how they could compare against their Apple counterparts.

Event timings

A January launch for the models was previously leaked, though more recent murmurings put the launch on January 14th, followed by a release in the following weeks.

Samsung has since confirmed a Galaxy Unpacked event will be taking place on January 14, with a live video stream of the presentation commencing at 10 a.m. Eastern.

The timing is a change for Samsung as typically it waits for February and March to coincide with Mobile World Congress, but this time the launch coincides with the last day of CES 2021.

Galaxy S21, S21 Plus, S21 Ultra

While Apple's iPhone range consists of four models, Samsung is thought to instead offer three models to consumers: the Galaxy S21, the Galaxy S21 Plus, and Galaxy S21 Ultra.

Render of the Samsung Galaxy S21 [Steve Hemmerstoffer, OnLeaks]
Render of the Samsung Galaxy S21 [Steve Hemmerstoffer, OnLeaks]


The count may fewer than Apple's roster, but while there is a distinctive difference when you move from the non-Pro models to the iPhone 12 Pro and iPhone 12 Pro Max, it seems that Samsung won't be doing the same sort of thing with its models. There will still be differences as you go up the range, but arguably not at the same sort of volume as Apple's versions.

Of the three, the Galaxy S21 stands to be the entry-level model, with the S21 Plus offering a larger and slightly enhanced version. The S21 Ultra serves as Samsung's "Pro" variant, with the biggest size and better specifications in some elements.

Displays

Rumors generally point to the S21 as having a 6.2-inch OLED display, which makes it relatively comparable with the 6.1-inch screens of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro in terms of size. As the smallest of the range, it's not quite at the 5.4-inch size of the iPhone 12 mini, but Samsung does tend to err towards the larger form factor.

The middle S21+ is expected to have a 6.7-inch screen, putting it toe-to-toe with the iPhone 12 Pro Max. Meanwhile, at the high end of the range, the S21 Ultra is tipped to have a 6.8-inch display, exceeding Apple's range.

The resolutions of each model are also thought to be FHD+ on the S21 and S21+, equating to 2,220 by 1,080 pixels. This would put them as having resolutions below that of the iPhone 12 mini at 2,340x1080, while the iPhone 12 and Pro sport 2,532 by 1,170 resolutions.

On the Ultra model, it is expected to have a WQHD+ resolution, which is 2,960 by 1,440. This is far higher than the iPhone 12 Pro Max's 2,778 x 1,284 resolution.

The lower comparable resolutions of the S21 and S21+ could be beneficial in extending battery life for the models, albeit at the cost of pixel density. The Ultra would have a pixel density relatively comparable to the iPhone 12 Pro Max, given its slightly larger size.

Where Samsung may pull ahead from Apple is in the technologies used in the displays, especially considering Samsung invests heavily into research and development as a major screen supplier. This could potentially include an improved refresh rate.

While Apple's iPhones continue to operate at 60Hz, though with rumors proposing 120Hz ProMotion refresh rates could arrive with the "iPhone 13," Samsung may beat Apple to the punch. All three models are speculated to include the ability to run at 120Hz, with the Ultra potentially offering an adaptive variant that could run at lower rates to reduce battery load.

There may also be some variation on how the screen feels, with the Ultra said to have a curved screen while the others use flat versions.

Cameras

For the front camera, Samsung is anticipated to use a hole-punch-style camera in the middle of the top of the screen. This isn't a major departure for Samsung, as it basically reuses the same design as it used in the Galaxy S20 range.

Render of the Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra [Steve Hemmerstoffer, OnLeaks]
Render of the Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra [Steve Hemmerstoffer, OnLeaks]


Specifications for the front cameras haven't really leaked, but they are probably going to use 10-megapixel sensors like the 2020 range, with the exception of a 40-megapixel sensor for the Ultra. If so, this would be a lower resolution than the 12-megapixel TrueDepth camera Apple employs, again excluding the Ultra.

The real changes are around the back, but the bigger story is probably the styling rather than the specifications for the rear cameras.

Instead of adopting the traditional camera bump, which typically appears away from the edge of the device, leaked images point to Samsung pushing the camera bump into the corner. Incorporating it with the main chassis leads to a more seamless design for the bump itself, and one that may be stronger overall.

Aside from leaks, Samsung itself has incorporated what appears to be the camera bump into its pre-event teaser video, effectively confirming the design choice.

As for the specifications, the rear cameras for the S21 and S21+ are anticipated to be made up of an ultra-wide 12-megapixel sensor and a 12-megapixel wide-angle version, as well as a 64-megapixel telephoto. While the S20+ had a Time of Flight camera on the rear, it seems that the S21+ won't sport the same imaging device.

With the exception of the 64-megapixel telephoto, the rumored ultra-wide and wide sensors are the same comparable resolution as what Apple includes in the iPhone 12 range.

The S20 Ultra had a large number of cameras and considerably better specifications, which seems to be a strategy Samsung is reusing here. The 12-megapixel ultra-wide camera is accompanied by the high-resolution 108-megapixel main camera, as well as the return of the laser sensor for a fast and accurate low-light autofocus.

The departure for 2021 in the Ultra seems to be the telephoto camera, as this time it appears Samsung is using two cameras for the job, not one. A pair of 10-megapixel cameras with optical image stabilization are expected, with one offering a 3x optical zoom range while the other can do up to 10x.

This may be an intelligent solution for Samsung, as it could offer an enhanced optical zoom range without dealing with complicated optical systems, simply by using two sensors for different zoom levels.

Even if you take into account the iPhone 12 Pro Max having a 12-megapixel telephoto sensor, its 2.5x optical zoom in range and 12x digital zoom is likely to be beaten by Samsung's Ultra version.

As for what the cameras can do, it's probable that features such as being able to record at an 8K resolution at 30fps on the rear cameras and 4K60 on the front, or the 100-times digital zoom for the S21 Ultra, will make an appearance.

Of course, all this doesn't take into account elements such as computational photography and any other image processing that takes place each time a user takes a photograph.

Performance

Driving Samsung's smartphones for 2021 will be one of two chips, depending on the market, with Samsung's own Exynos SoC accompanied by a version from Qualcomm. This time around, all models are expected to pack either Qualcomm's Snapdragon 888 SoC or Samsung's Exynos 2100.

This will likely be good news for existing Android device users, as the Snapdragon 888 is already said to be a very powerful chip in its own right. Geekbench 5 scores supplied by Qualcomm itself demonstrated a score of 1,135 for single-core tests and 3,794 for multi-core.

Though this seems promising, those claimed scores aren't able to topple the A14, which saw respective scores of 1,603 and 4,187.

The Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 SoC
The Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 SoC


The news doesn't get much better for Samsung, as leaker Ice Universe claimed the Exynos 2100 scored a lower 1,108 for the single-core test, but an improved 3,963 points for multi-core. If true, this is still not as good as the A14, making the iPhone 12 range theoretically more powerful until proper real-world benchmarks are performed.

To back the chip up, Samsung is rumored to be including 12 gigabytes of memory in the range. This is double what the iPhone 12 Pro range uses and triple the iPhone 12 pair, which seems impressive but would still require applications that can take advantage of that memory.

Not to mention the many differences between Android and iOS, as well as Samsung's own implementation of Android itself.

Storage and expansion

Apple's storage options start from 64GB and rise to 256GB in the iPhone 12 and mini, while the range shifts up one step for the Pro models, going from 128GB to 512GB. Both variants offer three capacity options in their respective ranges.

Rumors point to Samsung offering fewer storage options in the S21 and 21+, with variants set to include 128GB and 256GB capacities. The S21 Ultra will extend the range with a 512GB capacity option.

However, while in previous years you had the option to expand the storage capacity of the Samsung models via a microSD card, things may be different this year. It seems that rumored specifications are lacking any mention of a microSD card slot, which may mean there won't be an expansion option available to users this year.

In theory, this would put Samsung users in the same boat as iPhone owners, in having to rely on cloud storage or offloading media in various ways.

The S-Pen?

Samsung's other main flagship smartphone line, the Note range, is well known for being quite similar to the Galaxy S, except they typically have a larger display to match their phablet form factor, as well as support for the S Pen stylus. It seems that, at least for one Samsung model, some elements of the S-Pen may be usable.

Rumors point to potential S-Pen support for the S21 Ultra, allowing the stylus to be used with the display, but not the S21 nor the S21+. While the support would be added, there apparently won't be a hole or compartment available to stow the S Pen when not in use.

Samsung's S-Pen and the Apple Pencil
Samsung's S-Pen and the Apple Pencil


This could be handy for occasional use, especially considering the large phablet-like 6.8-inch display, but the lack of storage capacity for the stylus itself could prevent it from being a more meaningful feature.

The equivalent would be Apple Pencil support being added to the iPhone range, but that would ultimately have the same storage problem. There's certainly solutions for the problem for iPad users, but given the scale of smartphones relative to tablets, it might be trickier to fix.

Other specifications

Samsung is expected to include 5G support in the new models, continuing on from the previous generation, and it is likely to include both sub-6GHz and mmWave support, like the entire iPhone 12 line.

Bluetooth 5.1 support is also tipped across the board, bringing it to a newer standard than Apple's continued Bluetooth 5.0 support in the iPhone range.

Wi-Fi 6 is anticipated as well, matching the iPhones, though the Ultra could go one better again to Wi-Fi 6E. In theory, this would allow the S21 Ultra to communicate with other supported hardware that uses spectrum released by the FCC in the 6GHz band, and potentially have more bandwidth for Wi-Fi connections.

The extended Wi-Fi support would be attention-grabbing, but more a preemptive measure until more hardware with Wi-Fi 6E support is released and put to use in the world. It's an academic improvement for the moment, rather than a realistically useful one.

Battery capacities are currently anticipated to be 4,000mAh for the S21, 4,800mAh for the S21+, and 5,000mAh for the S21 Ultra, with the S21+ seeing an improvement from 4,500mAh in the S20+. While this doesn't necessarily suggest how long each will be able to function for, it's probable that they will last all day, and be in the same ballpark as Apple's 15-hour to 20-hour battery life, depending on iPhone model.

Anticipate fast charging capabilities as well starting from 25W, and possibly beating or exceeding the 45W of the S20 Ultra.

Samsung is also rumored to be joining Apple in supporting Ultra Wide Band communications. It is chiefly believed to work with Samsung's also-rumored SmartThings tags, its own take on the AirTags concept.

Update January 3, 6:54 PM Eastern Time: Samsung has confirmed it will be holding its Galaxy Unpacked 2021 event on January 14.
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  • Reply 1 of 27
    Sounds like pretty good stuff if Android is your preference.

    How much child and slave labor will they be using? More than Apple?
  • Reply 2 of 27
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    tommikele said:
    Sounds like pretty good stuff if Android is your preference.

    How much child and slave labor will they be using? More than Apple?
    Yes, when can we expect AppleInsider to publish an article about Samsung, Huawei, Google, Moto, et al Chinese supplier factories using child/forced/slave labor like Apple does? All we ever get regarding Samsung are release announcements, like this one, of new products and how they are superior to Apple’s offerings in every way.

    Perhaps AppleInsider should change its name to AnyBrandInsider since we get glowing reports of the competition on a regular basis. 
    leavingthebiggSpamSandwichmacplusplus
  • Reply 3 of 27
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,976member
    lkrupp said:
    tommikele said:
    Sounds like pretty good stuff if Android is your preference.

    How much child and slave labor will they be using? More than Apple?
    Yes, when can we expect AppleInsider to publish an article about Samsung, Huawei, Google, Moto, et al Chinese supplier factories using child/forced/slave labor like Apple does? All we ever get regarding Samsung are release announcements, like this one, of new products and how they are superior to Apple’s offerings in every way.

    Perhaps AppleInsider should change its name to AnyBrandInsider since we get glowing reports of the competition on a regular basis. 
    AI is Apple centric, not Apple exclusive. 

    As a rough guess, how much of AI's content is not Apple related? Perhaps less than 5%?

    Surely, having knowledge of what's happening on the other side is useful and interesting while not losing the Apple centric focus. 

    And often, the non Apple content is skewed to leaving Apple in a 'better' light than perhaps objectively it should be, but again, that's because it is an Apple centric site. I think that's reasonable to a degree.

    I'm not seeing what you are complaining about. 

    king editor the gratedoozydozenmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 4 of 27
    I know these weeks are slow for tech news, but one can know the content of a piece such as this by just remembering last year’s: Samsung will promote an overprice PoS hardware that can’t keep up with a 3 year old iPhone, absolutely bloated with crapware, with a fad for a tent pole feature that in a year time no one will remember (unless it catches fire).

    Come January 2022 I’ll copy paste this comment, and it will remain true, as it has been for about a decade now!
    watto_cobraAndy.Hardwakewilliamlondonlkruppleavingthebiggdoozydozen
  • Reply 5 of 27
    williamhwilliamh Posts: 1,044member
    There are only two things that matter:  1) does it come with a charger, and 2) will it blend?


    watto_cobradoozydozen
  • Reply 6 of 27
    This wasn't mentioned in the article (but is a big delta for 5G)...  S21 5G modems will be the Qualcomm X60 versus X55 on the iPhone 12.  This means simultaneous multi-band 5G (including carrier aggregation) versus only one band at a time on the X55.  This is critical in that 5G is a "layered" network with some bands not penetrating buildings and others (low band) doing that well but at a lower bandwidth.  You want a modem that can talk to them all at the same time and pick the best -- or even merge them.  This allows for a more reliable and consistent 5G connection.

    The X60 is also a 5nm part which means when using 5G it will pull less power than the X55 (which is 7nm... 2x the physical layout size) on the iPhone 12. 

    The iPhone 13 will have this but it was a huge miss for the iphone 12.

    Qualcomm overview on the X60 and it's benefits versus X55:   
    edited January 2021 doozydozenmuthuk_vanalingamdewmerazorpit
  • Reply 7 of 27
    I know these weeks are slow for tech news, but one can know the content of a piece such as this by just remembering last year’s: Samsung will promote an overprice PoS hardware that can’t keep up with a 3 year old iPhone, absolutely bloated with crapware, with a fad for a tent pole feature that in a year time no one will remember (unless it catches fire).

    Come January 2022 I’ll copy paste this comment, and it will remain true, as it has been for about a decade now!
    ROTFLMAO! And that’s why I’ve never spent a cent on anything Android, hopefully I’ll never have to do that.
    svanstromwatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 27
    FastLane said:
    This wasn't mentioned in the article (but is a big delta for 5G)...  S21 5G modems will be the Qualcomm X60 versus X55 on the iPhone 12.  This means simultaneous multi-band 5G (including carrier aggregation) versus only one band at a time on the X55.  This is critical in that 5G is a "layered" network with some bands not penetrating buildings and others (low band) doing that well but at a lower bandwidth.  You want a modem that can talk to them all at the same time and pick the best -- or even merge them.  This allows for a more reliable and consistent 5G connection.

    The X60 is also a 5nm part which means when using 5G it will pull less power than the X55 (which is 7nm... 2x the physical layout size) on the iPhone 12. 

    The iPhone 13 will have this but it was a huge miss for the iphone 12.

    Qualcomm overview on the X60 and it's benefits versus X55:   
    When was the X60 released?
    leavingthebiggdoozydozenwatto_cobrarazorpit
  • Reply 9 of 27
    FastLane said:
    This wasn't mentioned in the article (but is a big delta for 5G)...  S21 5G modems will be the Qualcomm X60 versus X55 on the iPhone 12.  This means simultaneous multi-band 5G (including carrier aggregation) versus only one band at a time on the X55.  This is critical in that 5G is a "layered" network with some bands not penetrating buildings and others (low band) doing that well but at a lower bandwidth.  You want a modem that can talk to them all at the same time and pick the best -- or even merge them.  This allows for a more reliable and consistent 5G connection.

    The X60 is also a 5nm part which means when using 5G it will pull less power than the X55 (which is 7nm... 2x the physical layout size) on the iPhone 12. 

    The iPhone 13 will have this but it was a huge miss for the iphone 12.

    Qualcomm overview on the X60 and it's benefits versus X55:   
    Apple: We have the improved next generation of the most liked smartphone ever.
    Others: Look at the specs of [something].

    Admittedly I'm a bit of an Apple fanboy, but one of the things keeping me from jumping ship is that I never get a feel for what the opposition is trying to offer; I just get thrown facts about some individual part, or there's a fancy glossy picture that shows nothing but the look of the device. And that's pretty much also what I get from Android-users, either a fanboy rant about some tech specs, or a blank stare (indicating a lack of caring beyond that it works).

    The only thing new seems to be that Samsung nowadays also try to "win" by having phones more expensive than iPhones.  :D
    lkruppMplsPwatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 27
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Samsung's (and others) hardware has long out performed Apple's -- it's a combination of them pushing the technological envelope as well as a later release.

    But, one Apple feature they will never, ever be able to duplicate:   Apple's ecosystem that promotes security/privacy, stability and reliability and seamless interoperability.

    For myself, i would always go with the superior hardware and open architecture -- except I'm not willing to sacrifice Apple's ecosystem to get it.   So, I'm happily stuck with Apple
    Andy.Hardwake
  • Reply 11 of 27
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    Samsung's (and others) hardware has long out performed Apple's -- it's a combination of them pushing the technological envelope as well as a later release.

    But, one Apple feature they will never, ever be able to duplicate:   Apple's ecosystem that promotes security/privacy, stability and reliability and seamless interoperability.

    For myself, i would always go with the superior hardware and open architecture -- except I'm not willing to sacrifice Apple's ecosystem to get it.   So, I'm happily stuck with Apple
    I think the psychological term for your condition is Stockholm Syndrome. The victim falls in love with the abuser and can’t leave. You think Apple makes inferior products yet you are unable to switch. Try harder.
    macplusplusauxioRayz2016
  • Reply 12 of 27
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,976member
    svanstrom said:
    FastLane said:
    This wasn't mentioned in the article (but is a big delta for 5G)...  S21 5G modems will be the Qualcomm X60 versus X55 on the iPhone 12.  This means simultaneous multi-band 5G (including carrier aggregation) versus only one band at a time on the X55.  This is critical in that 5G is a "layered" network with some bands not penetrating buildings and others (low band) doing that well but at a lower bandwidth.  You want a modem that can talk to them all at the same time and pick the best -- or even merge them.  This allows for a more reliable and consistent 5G connection.

    The X60 is also a 5nm part which means when using 5G it will pull less power than the X55 (which is 7nm... 2x the physical layout size) on the iPhone 12. 

    The iPhone 13 will have this but it was a huge miss for the iphone 12.

    Qualcomm overview on the X60 and it's benefits versus X55:   
    Apple: We have the improved next generation of the most liked smartphone ever.
    Others: Look at the specs of [something].

    Admittedly I'm a bit of an Apple fanboy, but one of the things keeping me from jumping ship is that I never get a feel for what the opposition is trying to offer; I just get thrown facts about some individual part, or there's a fancy glossy picture that shows nothing but the look of the device. And that's pretty much also what I get from Android-users, either a fanboy rant about some tech specs, or a blank stare (indicating a lack of caring beyond that it works).

    The only thing new seems to be that Samsung nowadays also try to "win" by having phones more expensive than iPhones.  :D
    Where have you been? 

    Those dual frequency GPS modules have been aiding people for years now. 

    Apple's low light photography was way behind competing phones. 

    Or photography versatility. Tri cameras, periscope zooms, AI etc. 

    Batteries and charging. Wireless charging.

    Modems and WiFi chipsets.

    High screen refresh rates. 

    Those aren't simply specs. They are features that are very useful to users.

    Having an on-SoC third gen 5G multiband modem offers benefits users might not be aware of but they are there all the same.

    This next S series release is weird because it seems to be taking a step backwards (at least that's what rumours are pointing to) but for Samsung as a whole it seems not to be a problem and folks like Dave Lee are even speculating that this deliberate move is because Samsung wants folding phones to edge by the S series, and it is those phones that will be the true flagships of the future. 

    Impossible to know for sure though. 
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 13 of 27
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 4,006member
    Is the 5G modem included in the snapdragon 888 SOC? That would potentially give a space and power advantage over the iPhone. 

    Unfortunately There’s not much Apple can do about that until they make their own modem. 
  • Reply 14 of 27
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    lkrupp said:
    Samsung's (and others) hardware has long out performed Apple's -- it's a combination of them pushing the technological envelope as well as a later release.

    But, one Apple feature they will never, ever be able to duplicate:   Apple's ecosystem that promotes security/privacy, stability and reliability and seamless interoperability.

    For myself, i would always go with the superior hardware and open architecture -- except I'm not willing to sacrifice Apple's ecosystem to get it.   So, I'm happily stuck with Apple
    I think the psychological term for your condition is Stockholm Syndrome. The victim falls in love with the abuser and can’t leave. You think Apple makes inferior products yet you are unable to switch. Try harder.
    I think in this case it’s more like he just loves being abused in general. Why else would such a pathetic troll come here to incite such hatred on a regular basis?
    razorpit
  • Reply 15 of 27
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    lkrupp said:
    Samsung's (and others) hardware has long out performed Apple's -- it's a combination of them pushing the technological envelope as well as a later release.

    But, one Apple feature they will never, ever be able to duplicate:   Apple's ecosystem that promotes security/privacy, stability and reliability and seamless interoperability.

    For myself, i would always go with the superior hardware and open architecture -- except I'm not willing to sacrifice Apple's ecosystem to get it.   So, I'm happily stuck with Apple
    I think the psychological term for your condition is Stockholm Syndrome. The victim falls in love with the abuser and can’t leave. You think Apple makes inferior products yet you are unable to switch. Try harder.

    LOL...
    Try learning how to read!
    Dogperson
  • Reply 16 of 27
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    lkrupp said:
    Samsung's (and others) hardware has long out performed Apple's -- it's a combination of them pushing the technological envelope as well as a later release.

    But, one Apple feature they will never, ever be able to duplicate:   Apple's ecosystem that promotes security/privacy, stability and reliability and seamless interoperability.

    For myself, i would always go with the superior hardware and open architecture -- except I'm not willing to sacrifice Apple's ecosystem to get it.   So, I'm happily stuck with Apple
    I think the psychological term for your condition is Stockholm Syndrome. The victim falls in love with the abuser and can’t leave. You think Apple makes inferior products yet you are unable to switch. Try harder.
    I think in this case it’s more like he just loves being abused in general. Why else would such a pathetic troll come here to incite such hatred on a regular basis?

    LOL....
    No, it's just that the fools who can't read are easily triggered -- like kids.
  • Reply 17 of 27
    auxioauxio Posts: 2,754member
    For myself, i would always go with the superior hardware and open architecture -- except I'm not willing to sacrifice Apple's ecosystem to get it.
    I'd argue that those two things are diametrically opposed to each other.  When you have an open architecture, everyone building devices gets the benefit from it, but no one has a competitive advantage.  So they end up having to add their own proprietary value on top of it, which then eliminates any sort of consistent and compatible ecosystem.

    I get why people working in the tech industry building hardware/software love "open": it means they get something for free which they can build on.  However, I never understand why consumers care about it.
    edited January 2021 watto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 27
    auxio said:
    For myself, i would always go with the superior hardware and open architecture -- except I'm not willing to sacrifice Apple's ecosystem to get it.
    I'd argue that those two things are diametrically opposed to each other.  When you have an open architecture, everyone building devices gets the benefit from it, but no one has a competitive advantage.  So they end up having to add their own proprietary value on top of it, which then eliminates any sort of consistent and compatible ecosystem.

    I get why people working in the tech industry building hardware/software love "open": it means they get something for free which they can build on.  However, I never understand why consumers care about it.
    Open doesn't necessarily imply free, and free doesn't necessarily imply without cost.

    You might want to read up on the definitions a bit. I'd suggest starting at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software.
  • Reply 19 of 27
    X60 was announced early 2020.  Apple probably missed it by a month for production. 

    The bottom line is kinda this... No different from what we went through on 4g/lte modems.

    Rev 1 moderns were pretty bad.  Didn't support many bands.  Were power hogs. 

    Rev 2 fixed  compatibility and marginally better power.  Didn't have final key features telecoms wanted to roll out. Power not great.

    Rev 3 were basically  right on.  All key features present.  Power decent   Marginal improvements made after that. 


    Someone asked if the 888 was SoC with X60.  Answer is yes.

    watto_cobradewmerazorpit
  • Reply 20 of 27
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    auxio said:
    For myself, i would always go with the superior hardware and open architecture -- except I'm not willing to sacrifice Apple's ecosystem to get it.
    I'd argue that those two things are diametrically opposed to each other.  When you have an open architecture, everyone building devices gets the benefit from it, but no one has a competitive advantage.  So they end up having to add their own proprietary value on top of it, which then eliminates any sort of consistent and compatible ecosystem.

    I get why people working in the tech industry building hardware/software love "open": it means they get something for free which they can build on.  However, I never understand why consumers care about it.

    Why would consumers care?
    Perhaps an analogy is the advent of personal computing during the mainframe era:
    We had our mainframes locked down tight -- only specific people could do specific things and the users/consumers got whatever we gave them.   But along came PCs with spreadsheets and data base software and they could create anything they wanted -- at a fraction of the cost.   Meanwhile the mainframe was stable and safe as a rock and that's where the vital software of the enterprise stayed while the stuff on the PCs often died when the creator of the its software moved on or the disk crashed.

    Each has its advantages and its disadvantages.

    Here Steve Jobs takes on an angry consumer over OpenDoc


    firelock
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