Gimme a break, the cut feature in windows is way more convinent than copying, pasting, and manually deleting. Cut should be there, even if it does not do what it is supposed to. Maybe call it Move or something.
You want inconsistencies? Open up Safari, iTunes, Quicktime and what not.
I really want background screensavers not to kill Quartz; most of them kill things like minimizing/active refreshing of moving windows (only screensaver I've encountered on my DP1250 that doesn't do this is ix Xirtram). But hey, that's why it is uofficial now.
I don't know if I would purchase 10.3 as a stand alone product, but certainly will if it comes packaged with a machine running the PPC 970. I have to admit that spring loaded folders from the Dock would be pretty nice. I hope they give us a choice of interface rather than forcing the brushed metal interface appearance.
I don't think thats good though. Cuz thats not how Cut works everywhere else. It would introduce an inconsistency, and that would lead to the eventual downfall of mank-ind. Cutting should put the file into the clipboard (is it still called that in osx?); and cutting or copying again should destroy the file. Possibly allowig an undo to replace the old file. But, I think it would be realy bad to put a cut that doesn't really cut it. It might even be better to avoid the whole cutting scene, so as not to deal with that flaring inconsistency.
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The feature I want in order to pay for x.3: speed. i want a huge increase in spead all over the place; some how, i want this next point release to so dramatically increase the spead, that i simultaneously crap and shit myself.
Actually it would be very stupid to have copying again destroy the cut file. Very stupid. I don't give a rat's ass about consistency in this case, it's doing what's more convenient and what makes sense.
I agree that Apple should strive for consistency within applications - get rid of brushed metal or keep it, make a lot of common keyboard shortcuts that are the same in all their applications, etc. But the Finder isn't the same type of application. Why should it behave exactly like one? As was described earlier, cmd-N makes a new Finder window, or a new playlist in iTunes, or a new document in AppleWorks, and so on. What if cmd-N had to make a new document no matter what application it was in? That would be consistent but it would make no sense for cmd-N to make a new blank MP3 file in iTunes, or a new blank picture in iPhoto.
So... consistency is important, but not so important that you end up making the OS more difficult to use just for the sake of consistency. Maybe you only disagree with the way Windows handles cut and paste because you're unwilling to admit that MS has actually come up with something remotely logical and smart for a change?
As for the speed... wow, yeah, it REALLY needs to get faster. If anything, make it so the little animations and eye candy effects move faster. Right now even the fastest Mac can't go very fast because minimizing windows, opening them, etc, can't physically go from point A to point B in X amount of time. My iBook... well, it feels sluggish. It shouldn't feel sluggish on new hardware. As it is, I find OS X to be incapable of feeling Snappy(tm), the best it can do is be "like butter." Starting up and shutting down should hopefully be faster too, even though most Mac users don't use those commands much. I want it to feel like a IIfx running system 6!
I was reading discussions about bitmap fonts and anti-aliasing issues in Hyatt blog and posted an thought in his blog comment thread.
I think 10.3 should bring a fully vectorized UI. Now that computers are getting powerful enough to handle this, and now that monitors and LCD screens are capable of very high DPI, I think it's time for Apple to vectorize the GUI.
This would mean that screen elements such as window titlebars, scrollbars, widgets, menubar etc... would be resized to decent sizes at higher DPI resolutions. So instead of having tiny little widgets, we'd get decent size widgets but they'd be much crisper since the eye wouldn't be able to distinguish the pixels as easily.
The problem with vector graphics though is that it's very, very difficult to achieve the good-looks of bitmap graphics.
Bitmaps graphics would still remain. I suppose the widgets themselves would resizable via vector means and a very large high-res bitmap of the widget would be created (exactly the way icons work...people create 128x128 versions and then 64x64, 32x32 etc. to help the scaling...but essentially, icons resizing is vector driven...so why not do the same for every widgets? Eventually, in the future, 128x128 icons will be the size of what 64x64 icons look like (ok I may be exagerating a little) on low DPI screens. Except they'll look very, very nice.
OT: Oh...and bitmap fonts shouldn't exist in the kind of world I just explained. Which was why I was bitching about it on Hyatt's blog...people complaining that their bitmap fonts shouldn't be anti-aliased should first realize that bitmap fonts shouldn't exist anymore...or shouldn't in the very near future. Average consumer computer screens will eventually reach a limit in size...I mean, how would you manage things on your desktop on a 42" extremely high res screen? You'd get neck cramps from following your cursor on a screen of that size. So either people will slowly start to sit further and further away from the screen...or the screen size will remain fixed at, say 23", but start getting better DPI making the picture much, much crisper.
Well...I know why...people would be complaining that OS X just got 3 times slower but now that the 970 is coming, 10.3 should at least start bringing this kind of stuff.
A simple thing for me, using OSX daily in a production environment, would be if Apple added back in labels. I know there are haxies and such available, but come on Apple, why is this taking so long??
2) Integration of language translation into OS with application support, Sorry folks, I am a born American but it is true that 90% of the world lives outside of the USA.
3) Better UTF-8 support in applications. (Even though it good now in some apps now.)
4) Easier use of integrated Services across OS-applications Spelling in all application, translation under edit menu, etc. (Everything under services get too long of a list.)
5) Mail-itunes integration, i.e. I'm on the run a my itune just sync with my Mac... I would like my email read to me while driving. (Hence reason 1)
6) Floating progress bar or progress bar on right of menus and in dock (Like Photoshop), not just spinning ball.
7) Global systemwide language support base off of UTF-8... Think about this one!!! Just like everyone is localizing Safari (See VersionTracker.com type Safari in search). The OS can be localized by anyone... the local government, school, library, military etc...
8) Global code rendering, XML, HTML, javascript is standardized now, so anywhere in the system it should render it.
9) Systemwide plug-ins that allow the system or application to take advantage of flash (not via QT), quicktime, pdf, etc.
10) THEMES! The one thing to this day that I see you average computer user using is themes... myself personally nope but you average Joe Smow love themes. This help should increase market share, because imagine the themes that Apple could produce... WOW! Even better integrate it with .Mac and get 10 extra themes or a theme based on you iPhoto images even icons!
11) More open source... Quicktime should be the first and then maybe others.
Well I signed up, just to get some down to earth reasons to buy 10.3, yes dbase system, cut/copy/paste files, etc are great but think stupid consumer and not on bleeding edge. The iMac didn't appeal to the technical crowd and it saved Apple arse... If Apple can do another iMac with 10.3 installed, you will see some changes around here.
Be sure to remove the line break when copying and pasting the command!
Whichever screensaver you've chosen in System Preferences now appears on the desktop , under your windows and icons! This feature is Jaguar only, and requires a video card capable of running Quartz Extreme (32 MB recommended). Performance was not good on my 16 MB card. You can hit Control-C (in the Terminal window to terminate the program.
This tip was mentioned by Ken Dyke at last night's BANG meeting.
[Editor's note: On my G4/733 with the GeForce3, this is simply amazing. The new \\"flurry\\" screensaver is running right now on the destop at 1600x1200 in thousands, iTunes is playing, the ink recognition floater is open, and yet the CPU utilization is averaging at or below 50% of thereabouts. Everything is smooth, including the iTunes playback, typing in this text box, and the screensaver . A very cool trick to show your friends the power of OS X if you have the hardware for it. I had closed and opened a new terminal window, so I had to use \\"ps -ax | grep screensaver \\" and then \\"kill\\" the process ID number to end the effect.]
ere in bulk some information on Panther: - It will bring the support of a new format, very similar to the Be OS BSF. This format is supposed to become the substitute of HFS+. It allows in particular a journalizing much simpler. - APPLE still terribly progressed to the optimization of its OS. It is likely y to have a difference in performances between 10.3 and 10.2 as significant as that which separated 10.1 from 10.2. They would have finally done the housework in the code of Next by optimizing it. In any event one will need large innovations in this OS to encourage the customers to buy it. Highly the WWDC!
If it could cut the grass, do my laundry, wash the dishes, make my bed, wash my car, etc. Then I think that Apple would have 100% marketshare, until Microsoft comes out with a cheap rip off.
- A fscking fix to the dreaded death-on-network-mount-unexpected-disconnect-bug (it's tEh Jaguar bug right now, IMO)
- New file-system
- More speed
- Heavily updated OpenGL, with controllers for FSAA/other phat features the graphics-card supports
- More configurable and customizable GUI
- Easier (no, it's not easy to have to move every file you want to share into a one directory) and more customizable filesharing, and FTP-server (an advanced GUI to configure locations, shares and stuff like that)
- A better way to handle remote shares (which of course includes an "invisible" FTP-client that works like a real client with upload-support)
- Heavier multithreading in the Finder
- Improved Quicktime with improved Mpeg4-support
- Minimize/optimize widgets moved away or separated from close-button
- The ability to reserve screen-space to special windows, or applications
- Spring-loaded folders in the dock (and Finder-app icon)
- Built in dynamic wallpaper-support
- New dock-minimize-fx
- A Mouse-controlpanel more like USB Overdrive, customization for several buttons, acceleration, applications. Heck, I'd be very happy if they bought USB-overdrive, made it free, built in and improved it.
- A more advanced Displays-controlpanel (I have a monitor that doesn't run on optimum refreshrates at certain resolutions)
- A progress-bar at earlier stages of bootup
- A new, redisigned and more modern happy-mac instead of the apple, at bootup
- cmd+alt+shift+esq would restart GUI, if possible, and cmd+alt+esq working more often
- SSH (or something like M$ RDC) with visuals, or SSH in an app with a GUI+commandline, unlike the terminal
- Safari 1.0 (which also needs some improvements) as default
- SnapBack implemented in Finder
- Some new intuitive features, both in the Finder and elsewhere, that I can't think of or do not know that I need yet
And I think all this would make me smile when I hand over my $129 for it.
-what everyone else said, especially THT and r-0X#Zapchud.
-802.1x
The Finder chokes almost as much on my PBG4 mini as it did on my iBook! Ow. Also right-clicking menus has lag on Dock items, and it does take a microsecond before folders open in the finder, even with Zoom turned off. Why? System *7* didn't have this kind of lag on my IIsi so I can't understand how some things in OS X can be so slow on a newest G-money system.
A clean network interface. the 'Connect to' dialog is archaic and all the other necessary pieces for connecting to a non-apple-only network are spread all around (directory browser, keychain, network control panel, sharing control panel).
I trust apple is the one that can put all this together into a tight applet that does what the 'network neighborhood' tries to do for windows (why do I have to click through 5 windows to browse my workgroup, bill?).
We need something better than current offerings. Something that auto-activates with no hassles for ALL apps like ATM Deluxe did on OS 9... this IS after all supposed to be the OS for desktop publishing right? C'mon Apple don't force us to buy clunky products like Suitcase or Font Reserve.
4) Faster GUI (ie heavily threaded finder)
6) Faster FS (ie the rumored Be-OS like thing)
7) Better Open/Save dialogs (sorry but current ones are a bit annoying)
8 ) Better Connect dialogs (see wookies comments)
9) More GUI niceties and user-friendliness touches
The Font Panel is avilable to any app. It's just a matter of the developer using it. Nearly all Cocoa apps do, it's the Carbon apps that have get to get on board. You can create collections of fonts, but activating/deactivating fonts is its weak point. You have to move them in and out of the Fonts folder(s) right now.
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You want inconsistencies? Open up Safari, iTunes, Quicktime and what not.
I really want background screensavers not to kill Quartz; most of them kill things like minimizing/active refreshing of moving windows (only screensaver I've encountered on my DP1250 that doesn't do this is ix Xirtram). But hey, that's why it is uofficial now.
Originally posted by thuh Freak
I don't think thats good though. Cuz thats not how Cut works everywhere else. It would introduce an inconsistency, and that would lead to the eventual downfall of mank-ind. Cutting should put the file into the clipboard (is it still called that in osx?); and cutting or copying again should destroy the file. Possibly allowig an undo to replace the old file. But, I think it would be realy bad to put a cut that doesn't really cut it. It might even be better to avoid the whole cutting scene, so as not to deal with that flaring inconsistency.
-
The feature I want in order to pay for x.3: speed. i want a huge increase in spead all over the place; some how, i want this next point release to so dramatically increase the spead, that i simultaneously crap and shit myself.
Actually it would be very stupid to have copying again destroy the cut file. Very stupid. I don't give a rat's ass about consistency in this case, it's doing what's more convenient and what makes sense.
I agree that Apple should strive for consistency within applications - get rid of brushed metal or keep it, make a lot of common keyboard shortcuts that are the same in all their applications, etc. But the Finder isn't the same type of application. Why should it behave exactly like one? As was described earlier, cmd-N makes a new Finder window, or a new playlist in iTunes, or a new document in AppleWorks, and so on. What if cmd-N had to make a new document no matter what application it was in? That would be consistent but it would make no sense for cmd-N to make a new blank MP3 file in iTunes, or a new blank picture in iPhoto.
So... consistency is important, but not so important that you end up making the OS more difficult to use just for the sake of consistency. Maybe you only disagree with the way Windows handles cut and paste because you're unwilling to admit that MS has actually come up with something remotely logical and smart for a change?
As for the speed... wow, yeah, it REALLY needs to get faster. If anything, make it so the little animations and eye candy effects move faster. Right now even the fastest Mac can't go very fast because minimizing windows, opening them, etc, can't physically go from point A to point B in X amount of time. My iBook... well, it feels sluggish. It shouldn't feel sluggish on new hardware. As it is, I find OS X to be incapable of feeling Snappy(tm), the best it can do is be "like butter." Starting up and shutting down should hopefully be faster too, even though most Mac users don't use those commands much. I want it to feel like a IIfx running system 6!
I think 10.3 should bring a fully vectorized UI. Now that computers are getting powerful enough to handle this, and now that monitors and LCD screens are capable of very high DPI, I think it's time for Apple to vectorize the GUI.
This would mean that screen elements such as window titlebars, scrollbars, widgets, menubar etc... would be resized to decent sizes at higher DPI resolutions. So instead of having tiny little widgets, we'd get decent size widgets but they'd be much crisper since the eye wouldn't be able to distinguish the pixels as easily.
The problem with vector graphics though is that it's very, very difficult to achieve the good-looks of bitmap graphics.
Bitmaps graphics would still remain. I suppose the widgets themselves would resizable via vector means and a very large high-res bitmap of the widget would be created (exactly the way icons work...people create 128x128 versions and then 64x64, 32x32 etc. to help the scaling...but essentially, icons resizing is vector driven...so why not do the same for every widgets? Eventually, in the future, 128x128 icons will be the size of what 64x64 icons look like (ok I may be exagerating a little) on low DPI screens. Except they'll look very, very nice.
OT: Oh...and bitmap fonts shouldn't exist in the kind of world I just explained. Which was why I was bitching about it on Hyatt's blog...people complaining that their bitmap fonts shouldn't be anti-aliased should first realize that bitmap fonts shouldn't exist anymore...or shouldn't in the very near future. Average consumer computer screens will eventually reach a limit in size...I mean, how would you manage things on your desktop on a 42" extremely high res screen? You'd get neck cramps from following your cursor on a screen of that size. So either people will slowly start to sit further and further away from the screen...or the screen size will remain fixed at, say 23", but start getting better DPI making the picture much, much crisper.
Well...I know why...people would be complaining that OS X just got 3 times slower but now that the 970 is coming, 10.3 should at least start bringing this kind of stuff.
Please Apple!
2) Integration of language translation into OS with application support, Sorry folks, I am a born American but it is true that 90% of the world lives outside of the USA.
3) Better UTF-8 support in applications. (Even though it good now in some apps now.)
4) Easier use of integrated Services across OS-applications Spelling in all application, translation under edit menu, etc. (Everything under services get too long of a list.)
5) Mail-itunes integration, i.e. I'm on the run a my itune just sync with my Mac... I would like my email read to me while driving. (Hence reason 1)
6) Floating progress bar or progress bar on right of menus and in dock (Like Photoshop), not just spinning ball.
7) Global systemwide language support base off of UTF-8... Think about this one!!! Just like everyone is localizing Safari (See VersionTracker.com type Safari in search). The OS can be localized by anyone... the local government, school, library, military etc...
8) Global code rendering, XML, HTML, javascript is standardized now, so anywhere in the system it should render it.
9) Systemwide plug-ins that allow the system or application to take advantage of flash (not via QT), quicktime, pdf, etc.
10) THEMES! The one thing to this day that I see you average computer user using is themes... myself personally nope but you average Joe Smow love themes. This help should increase market share, because imagine the themes that Apple could produce... WOW! Even better integrate it with .Mac and get 10 extra themes or a theme based on you iPhoto images even icons!
11) More open source... Quicktime should be the first and then maybe others.
Well I signed up, just to get some down to earth reasons to buy 10.3, yes dbase system, cut/copy/paste files, etc are great but think stupid consumer and not on bleeding edge. The iMac didn't appeal to the technical crowd and it saved Apple arse... If Apple can do another iMac with 10.3 installed, you will see some changes around here.
Ciao,
Charles
Originally posted by MacGregor
1. slowly morphing textures or colors on the desktop like a screen saver that doesn't go away when you are working
From osxhints.com
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...20824082233907
Run the screensaver in the Finder [10.2]
To run a screensaver module on the desktop , type this command into a terminal:
/System/Library/Frameworks/ screensaver .framework/Resources/
screensaver Engine.app/Contents/MacOS/ screensaver Engine -background &
Be sure to remove the line break when copying and pasting the command!
Whichever screensaver you've chosen in System Preferences now appears on the desktop , under your windows and icons! This feature is Jaguar only, and requires a video card capable of running Quartz Extreme (32 MB recommended). Performance was not good on my 16 MB card. You can hit Control-C (in the Terminal window to terminate the program.
This tip was mentioned by Ken Dyke at last night's BANG meeting.
[Editor's note: On my G4/733 with the GeForce3, this is simply amazing. The new \\"flurry\\" screensaver is running right now on the destop at 1600x1200 in thousands, iTunes is playing, the ink recognition floater is open, and yet the CPU utilization is averaging at or below 50% of thereabouts. Everything is smooth, including the iTunes playback, typing in this text box, and the screensaver . A very cool trick to show your friends the power of OS X if you have the hardware for it. I had closed and opened a new terminal window, so I had to use \\"ps -ax | grep screensaver \\" and then \\"kill\\" the process ID number to end the effect.]
Google Translation
ere in bulk some information on Panther: - It will bring the support of a new format, very similar to the Be OS BSF. This format is supposed to become the substitute of HFS+. It allows in particular a journalizing much simpler. - APPLE still terribly progressed to the optimization of its OS. It is likely y to have a difference in performances between 10.3 and 10.2 as significant as that which separated 10.1 from 10.2. They would have finally done the housework in the code of Next by optimizing it. In any event one will need large innovations in this OS to encourage the customers to buy it. Highly the WWDC!
Originally posted by wwwork
From osxhints.com
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...20824082233907
Run the screensaver in the Finder [10.2]
Thanks wwwork! I have been looking for such things, unfortunately I don't have Jaguar yet....
1: More speed
2: Less bugs
3: More killer Features
Also, iChat Video Conferencing that is secure P2P, works well over dial-up, multiple user windows and ability to save conference to hard drive.
Thats all I want for Christmas
- New file-system
- More speed
- Heavily updated OpenGL, with controllers for FSAA/other phat features the graphics-card supports
- More configurable and customizable GUI
- Easier (no, it's not easy to have to move every file you want to share into a one directory) and more customizable filesharing, and FTP-server (an advanced GUI to configure locations, shares and stuff like that)
- A better way to handle remote shares (which of course includes an "invisible" FTP-client that works like a real client with upload-support)
- Heavier multithreading in the Finder
- Improved Quicktime with improved Mpeg4-support
- Minimize/optimize widgets moved away or separated from close-button
- The ability to reserve screen-space to special windows, or applications
- Spring-loaded folders in the dock (and Finder-app icon)
- Built in dynamic wallpaper-support
- New dock-minimize-fx
- A Mouse-controlpanel more like USB Overdrive, customization for several buttons, acceleration, applications. Heck, I'd be very happy if they bought USB-overdrive, made it free, built in and improved it.
- A more advanced Displays-controlpanel (I have a monitor that doesn't run on optimum refreshrates at certain resolutions)
- A progress-bar at earlier stages of bootup
- A new, redisigned and more modern happy-mac instead of the apple, at bootup
- cmd+alt+shift+esq would restart GUI, if possible, and cmd+alt+esq working more often
- SSH (or something like M$ RDC) with visuals, or SSH in an app with a GUI+commandline, unlike the terminal
- Safari 1.0 (which also needs some improvements) as default
- SnapBack implemented in Finder
- Some new intuitive features, both in the Finder and elsewhere, that I can't think of or do not know that I need yet
And I think all this would make me smile when I hand over my $129 for it.
-what everyone else said, especially THT and r-0X#Zapchud.
-802.1x
The Finder chokes almost as much on my PBG4 mini as it did on my iBook! Ow. Also right-clicking menus has lag on Dock items, and it does take a microsecond before folders open in the finder, even with Zoom turned off. Why? System *7* didn't have this kind of lag on my IIsi so I can't understand how some things in OS X can be so slow on a newest G-money system.
I can't imagine *not* buying a 10.x upgrade anytime in near future, unless it was an incredibly paltry one. There's still so much to do.
I trust apple is the one that can put all this together into a tight applet that does what the 'network neighborhood' tries to do for windows (why do I have to click through 5 windows to browse my workgroup, bill?).
the dream continues...
2) A built-in font manager app
3) A built-in font manager app
We need something better than current offerings. Something that auto-activates with no hassles for ALL apps like ATM Deluxe did on OS 9... this IS after all supposed to be the OS for desktop publishing right? C'mon Apple don't force us to buy clunky products like Suitcase or Font Reserve.
4) Faster GUI (ie heavily threaded finder)
6) Faster FS (ie the rumored Be-OS like thing)
7) Better Open/Save dialogs (sorry but current ones are a bit annoying)
8 ) Better Connect dialogs (see wookies comments)
9) More GUI niceties and user-friendliness touches
10) Switch Users feature
Originally posted by dviant
1) A built-in font manager app
2) A built-in font manager app
3) A built-in font manager app
Not quite perfect, but well on its way...
The Font Panel is avilable to any app. It's just a matter of the developer using it. Nearly all Cocoa apps do, it's the Carbon apps that have get to get on board. You can create collections of fonts, but activating/deactivating fonts is its weak point. You have to move them in and out of the Fonts folder(s) right now.