Malcolm, you lost your credibility in your very first sentence: "Microsoft's latest attempt to promote its Surface tablet lineup has it comparing the Surface Pro 7 against Apple's MacBook Pro, despite the iPad Air potentially being a closer rival device."
WTH are you talking about? I think the following describes best the ridiculousness of your comparison:
Use an iPad Air to connect via Remote Desktop to a computer running Eclipse for development including an Oracle Database Server and a Tomcat server
The that computer running all of that is a Surface Pro
I'm using my Surface Pro for my presenting our complete software solution in front of customers when running Oracle and two Tomcat servers on it, and you say iPad Air is potentially being closer to it than MacBook Pro, just because Suface has pen and touchscreen? Is his serious journalism? It only proves the versatility of Surface Pro compared to MacBook Pro, but it does not mean any device with pen and touchscreen would be comparable to Surface Pro or MacBook Pro.
Malcolm, you lost your credibility in your very first sentence: "Microsoft's latest attempt to promote its Surface tablet lineup has it comparing the Surface Pro 7 against Apple's MacBook Pro, despite the iPad Air potentially being a closer rival device."
WTH are you talking about? I think the following describes best the ridiculousness of your comparison:
Use an iPad Air to connect via Remote Desktop to a computer running Eclipse for development including an Oracle Database Server and a Tomcat server
The that computer running all of that is a Surface Pro
I'm using my Surface Pro for my presenting our complete software solution in front of customers when running Oracle and two Tomcat servers on it, and you say iPad Air is potentially being closer to it than MacBook Pro, just because Suface has pen and touchscreen? Is his serious journalism? It only proves the versatility of Surface Pro compared to MacBook Pro, but it does not mean any device with pen and touchscreen would be comparable to Surface Pro or MacBook Pro.
He was correct.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
Malcolm, you lost your credibility in your very first sentence: "Microsoft's latest attempt to promote its Surface tablet lineup has it comparing the Surface Pro 7 against Apple's MacBook Pro, despite the iPad Air potentially being a closer rival device."
WTH are you talking about? I think the following describes best the ridiculousness of your comparison:
Use an iPad Air to connect via Remote Desktop to a computer running Eclipse for development including an Oracle Database Server and a Tomcat server
The that computer running all of that is a Surface Pro
I'm using my Surface Pro for my presenting our complete software solution in front of customers when running Oracle and two Tomcat servers on it, and you say iPad Air is potentially being closer to it than MacBook Pro, just because Suface has pen and touchscreen? Is his serious journalism? It only proves the versatility of Surface Pro compared to MacBook Pro, but it does not mean any device with pen and touchscreen would be comparable to Surface Pro or MacBook Pro.
He was correct.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
Was that supposed to be a joke? That aspect makes the iPad rather a competitor to Surface Pro than the MacBook? Seriously? Based on this logic this one is a competitor to iPad Pro! The versatility of Surface Pro does not make every device that has a feature in common with it a competitor.
You can't even do something simple like install VSCode or Atom and write Javascript or Python code on an iPad.
WTF are you talking about? I write code on an iPad all the time (Python, Perl, PHP, BASH, etc.) - there are many fine code editors (VSCode is not one of them & Atom is ok) and there is even a Python IDE that actually runs Python code - Pythonista 3 & a version for Python 2. Here is a PHP IDE I've used on an iPad - DraftCode Offline PHP IDE.
VSCode on macOS is a PoS - doesn't even follow standard keyboard shortcuts. It's just a poorly ported Windows app.
I tried Atom on macOS for some embedded development - another poorly ported app, with some good ideas, but if things like undo/redo don't follow standard Mac app conventions - WTF?!?!?
I use Atom on MacOS and I have no idea what you mean by undo/redo... I tried that and it works as expected.
...Apple will now turn to making a serious investment in improving Mac gaming. If they can spend billions on making their own movies/TV shows, surely they can spend some $$ on making the Mac competitive for gaming
Indeed! My interests are rather narrow (eg. Mathematica), however, Apple would be the best placed 'developer' to promote their platform's remarkable (thinking M series silicon) capabilities and possibilities in all software spheres, including games.
Man you guys kinda need to get one thing straight. HAPPINESS
ALL of these product from ALL the PC manufactures down to Apple, I think the main thing is, to not be like Sony in the old days. Sony has like IDK a million different MAIN products from Cameras to You Name IT!
But if you can keep your NUMBER of products relatively LOW, and have a semblance of a nice little eco-system, you kind of WIN at this POINT.
I mean Microsoft HAS an ecosystem, but we all know ECO ECO blah blah.
I think where Apple is really really shining is the branches at this point. Like I mean HAPPINESS. It's a fickle thing in the tech industry. It's like the old school feeling of having a nice sweat suit and shoes in the 80's RUN DMC LL Cool J style, and maybe with a Kangol hat.
Just feels good having 4-5 parts all working together. (Watch I am lookin' at you)
Apple has slowly gotten in a direction like Sony with umpteenth products, but they are like in recent post a "Lifestyle Company", but so is Microsoft. BUT the main thing that HURTS Microsoft SO effing BAD is LACK of a PHONE. I mean that's just like the Death-knell. And to me the iPad, especially with the Pencil, is strictly an Artists, Digital Artist's, dream, that's the iPad to me, with a little OS for files and social etc, some games. I remember when I was gonna have dual phones and PCs but then they killed Nokia after they bought them, and I was like "you know what?" pfsht
HAPPINESS, if you are OK and happy with the LOOK, the STYLE, the FEEL, the TEXTURE, etc etc I mean there are tons FACTORS that go into the whole, Mac PC argument, beside this is better that's better.
If you are HAPPY with Windows I don't see why you need to put down Apple, and vice versa... it's funny to say "Can't we all just get along" -Rodney King. But it's just like man, make yourself happy, and if you have to freakin' SHOP around and READ articles DO SO...
But guys there's no 100% answer, (I mean even if you are like I only have $200, you can HIT eBay HARD CORE! man)
Malcolm, you lost your credibility in your very first sentence: "Microsoft's latest attempt to promote its Surface tablet lineup has it comparing the Surface Pro 7 against Apple's MacBook Pro, despite the iPad Air potentially being a closer rival device."
WTH are you talking about? I think the following describes best the ridiculousness of your comparison:
Use an iPad Air to connect via Remote Desktop to a computer running Eclipse for development including an Oracle Database Server and a Tomcat server
The that computer running all of that is a Surface Pro
I'm using my Surface Pro for my presenting our complete software solution in front of customers when running Oracle and two Tomcat servers on it, and you say iPad Air is potentially being closer to it than MacBook Pro, just because Suface has pen and touchscreen? Is his serious journalism? It only proves the versatility of Surface Pro compared to MacBook Pro, but it does not mean any device with pen and touchscreen would be comparable to Surface Pro or MacBook Pro.
He was correct.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
Was that supposed to be a joke? That aspect makes the iPad rather a competitor to Surface Pro than the MacBook? Seriously? Based on this logic this one is a competitor to iPad Pro! The versatility of Surface Pro does not make every device that has a feature in common with it a competitor.
It's not about processing power. It is about functionality.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
If my grandson only had a MacBook he could not complete his school work -- it requires BOTH a laptop and a tablet & pencil. A 2 in 1 can do that. A laptop can't,
Malcolm, you lost your credibility in your very first sentence: "Microsoft's latest attempt to promote its Surface tablet lineup has it comparing the Surface Pro 7 against Apple's MacBook Pro, despite the iPad Air potentially being a closer rival device."
WTH are you talking about? I think the following describes best the ridiculousness of your comparison:
Use an iPad Air to connect via Remote Desktop to a computer running Eclipse for development including an Oracle Database Server and a Tomcat server
The that computer running all of that is a Surface Pro
I'm using my Surface Pro for my presenting our complete software solution in front of customers when running Oracle and two Tomcat servers on it, and you say iPad Air is potentially being closer to it than MacBook Pro, just because Suface has pen and touchscreen? Is his serious journalism? It only proves the versatility of Surface Pro compared to MacBook Pro, but it does not mean any device with pen and touchscreen would be comparable to Surface Pro or MacBook Pro.
He was correct.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
Was that supposed to be a joke? That aspect makes the iPad rather a competitor to Surface Pro than the MacBook? Seriously? Based on this logic this one is a competitor to iPad Pro! The versatility of Surface Pro does not make every device that has a feature in common with it a competitor.
It's not about processing power. It is about functionality.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
If my grandson only had a MacBook he could not complete his school work -- it requires BOTH a laptop and a tablet & pencil. A 2 in 1 can do that. A laptop can't,
This only proves once
again the versatility of Surface Pro which was also demonstrated in the ad. But
it does not prove that the iPad could replace Surface Pro, not even remotely.
But a MacBook could replace the Surface Pro in many areas and vice versa .
You can't even do something simple like install VSCode or Atom and write Javascript or Python code on an iPad.
WTF are you talking about? I write code on an iPad all the time (Python, Perl, PHP, BASH, etc.) - there are many fine code editors (VSCode is not one of them & Atom is ok) and there is even a Python IDE that actually runs Python code - Pythonista 3 & a version for Python 2. Here is a PHP IDE I've used on an iPad - DraftCode Offline PHP IDE.
VSCode on macOS is a PoS - doesn't even follow standard keyboard shortcuts. It's just a poorly ported Windows app.
I tried Atom on macOS for some embedded development - another poorly ported app, with some good ideas, but if things like undo/redo don't follow standard Mac app conventions - WTF?!?!?
The whole premise of cloudguy's argument assumes that everyone writes code. Yet another developer who believes everyone in the world is exactly like them. If a product doesn't meet their needs, it mustn't meet anyone else's needs either. There are other professions in the world.
Also, as you said, VSCode is horrible on non-Windows platforms. Personally, I use Visual Studio Professional on Windows and Xcode on Mac since they give the best experience. I've tried a number of cross-platform development apps over the years, and they're always a compromise compared to those gold standards. Then again, I don't do web development because it's the very basis of that compromised experience. I prefer apps which give me a great, native platform experience and so I want to create the same types of apps myself.
In regard to Atom, it's not terrible, but man is it dog slow to load up when you just need to edit something quickly. It also defaults to showing this dumb project editing tab on the left side which takes up 1/3rd of the window and I don't use it enough to invest time in figuring out how to turn that thing off.
Agree completely. I bought the uber-expensive smart keyboard for my ipad pro 12.9 and tried using it to replace my Dell XPS 13 (a fantastic notebook). My main frustration with the iPad is switching between apps...it loses focus where I was when I switch back to an app or in the case of remote desktop-like software I use to manage systems, it downright disconnects me if I switch away for mere moments.
I guess Apple thinks everyone edits photos or draws for a living.
And who created that remote desktop software? Likely not Apple, but hey, it's Apple's fault other developers can't figure out how to handle app switches properly. Do you also blame Walmart when the Samsung TV you bought there has problems?
Malcolm, you lost your credibility in your very first sentence: "Microsoft's latest attempt to promote its Surface tablet lineup has it comparing the Surface Pro 7 against Apple's MacBook Pro, despite the iPad Air potentially being a closer rival device."
WTH are you talking about? I think the following describes best the ridiculousness of your comparison:
Use an iPad Air to connect via Remote Desktop to a computer running Eclipse for development including an Oracle Database Server and a Tomcat server
The that computer running all of that is a Surface Pro
I'm using my Surface Pro for my presenting our complete software solution in front of customers when running Oracle and two Tomcat servers on it, and you say iPad Air is potentially being closer to it than MacBook Pro, just because Suface has pen and touchscreen? Is his serious journalism? It only proves the versatility of Surface Pro compared to MacBook Pro, but it does not mean any device with pen and touchscreen would be comparable to Surface Pro or MacBook Pro.
He was correct.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
Was that supposed to be a joke? That aspect makes the iPad rather a competitor to Surface Pro than the MacBook? Seriously? Based on this logic this one is a competitor to iPad Pro!
The versatility of Surface Pro does not make every device that has a feature in common with it a competitor.
It's not about processing power. It is about functionality.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
If my grandson only had a MacBook he could not complete his school work -- it requires BOTH a laptop and a tablet & pencil. A 2 in 1 can do that. A laptop can't,
And the iPad isn't a 2 in 1?
My son was literally in tears trying to deal with all the complication caused by the Windows-based 2-in-1 computer his school loaned him for online school. I was constantly trying to configure it to do his work and helping him, so I finally broke down and got him an iPad Air with pencil and keyboard. After a bit of setup hassle (mainly due to the complicated school logins), he's now able to do everything himself without problems: video conferencing for his classes, using a PDF editor and Apple Pencil for his assignments, taking pictures of his paper-based work and uploading them, switching back and forth between conferencing and his work like a pro. So much more intuitive to use. I'm actually able to get my work done while he's in class again!
Malcolm, you lost your credibility in your very first sentence: "Microsoft's latest attempt to promote its Surface tablet lineup has it comparing the Surface Pro 7 against Apple's MacBook Pro, despite the iPad Air potentially being a closer rival device."
WTH are you talking about? I think the following describes best the ridiculousness of your comparison:
Use an iPad Air to connect via Remote Desktop to a computer running Eclipse for development including an Oracle Database Server and a Tomcat server
The that computer running all of that is a Surface Pro
I'm using my Surface Pro for my presenting our complete software solution in front of customers when running Oracle and two Tomcat servers on it, and you say iPad Air is potentially being closer to it than MacBook Pro, just because Suface has pen and touchscreen? Is his serious journalism? It only proves the versatility of Surface Pro compared to MacBook Pro, but it does not mean any device with pen and touchscreen would be comparable to Surface Pro or MacBook Pro.
He was correct.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
Was that supposed to be a joke? That aspect makes the iPad rather a competitor to Surface Pro than the MacBook? Seriously? Based on this logic this one is a competitor to iPad Pro! The versatility of Surface Pro does not make every device that has a feature in common with it a competitor.
It's not about processing power. It is about functionality.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
If my grandson only had a MacBook he could not complete his school work -- it requires BOTH a laptop and a tablet & pencil. A 2 in 1 can do that. A laptop can't,
This only proves once
again the versatility of Surface Pro which was also demonstrated in the ad. But
it does not prove that the iPad could replace Surface Pro, not even remotely.
But a MacBook could replace the Surface Pro in many areas and vice versa .
If you need both a laptop and a tablet then neither the iPad nor the MacBook by itself could replace the Surface Pro.
It's like asking if someone moving dirt needs either a shovel or a wheelbarrow. He needs both.
Malcolm, you lost your credibility in your very first sentence: "Microsoft's latest attempt to promote its Surface tablet lineup has it comparing the Surface Pro 7 against Apple's MacBook Pro, despite the iPad Air potentially being a closer rival device."
WTH are you talking about? I think the following describes best the ridiculousness of your comparison:
Use an iPad Air to connect via Remote Desktop to a computer running Eclipse for development including an Oracle Database Server and a Tomcat server
The that computer running all of that is a Surface Pro
I'm using my Surface Pro for my presenting our complete software solution in front of customers when running Oracle and two Tomcat servers on it, and you say iPad Air is potentially being closer to it than MacBook Pro, just because Suface has pen and touchscreen? Is his serious journalism? It only proves the versatility of Surface Pro compared to MacBook Pro, but it does not mean any device with pen and touchscreen would be comparable to Surface Pro or MacBook Pro.
He was correct.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
Was that supposed to be a joke? That aspect makes the iPad rather a competitor to Surface Pro than the MacBook? Seriously? Based on this logic this one is a competitor to iPad Pro!
The versatility of Surface Pro does not make every device that has a feature in common with it a competitor.
It's not about processing power. It is about functionality.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
If my grandson only had a MacBook he could not complete his school work -- it requires BOTH a laptop and a tablet & pencil. A 2 in 1 can do that. A laptop can't,
And the iPad isn't a 2 in 1?
My son was literally in tears trying to deal with all the complication caused by the Windows-based 2-in-1 computer his school loaned him for online school. I was constantly trying to configure it to do his work and helping him, so I finally broke down and got him an iPad Air with pencil and keyboard. After a bit of setup hassle (mainly due to the complicated school logins), he's now able to do everything himself without problems: video conferencing for his classes, using a PDF editor and Apple Pencil for his assignments, taking pictures of his paper-based work and uploading them, switching back and forth between conferencing and his work like a pro. So much more intuitive to use. I'm actually able to get my work done while he's in class again!
I hear you!
But the iPad is a poor substitute for a high quality 2 in 1.
My grandson's school also gave him a small, crappy 2 in 1 -- it even uses a Celeron processor! (I thought they had been retired a decade ago!).
Fortunately, he already had both an iPad (6th gen) and a MacBook. He uses both . Technically the iPad could be used for all (or 95%) of what he needs, but its 9.7" screen and cramped keyboard make it a real pain to use for laptop type tasks. So he switches back and forth. He'll even switch back and forth on a single assignment: his last science assignment had him graphing a something and then typing interpretations of the graph: he used the iPad for the graph and then his MacBook for the essay questions.
That won't work though when he returns to in-school classes -- he'll need a single device.
Malcolm, you lost your credibility in your very first sentence: "Microsoft's latest attempt to promote its Surface tablet lineup has it comparing the Surface Pro 7 against Apple's MacBook Pro, despite the iPad Air potentially being a closer rival device."
WTH are you talking about? I think the following describes best the ridiculousness of your comparison:
Use an iPad Air to connect via Remote Desktop to a computer running Eclipse for development including an Oracle Database Server and a Tomcat server
The that computer running all of that is a Surface Pro
I'm using my Surface Pro for my presenting our complete software solution in front of customers when running Oracle and two Tomcat servers on it, and you say iPad Air is potentially being closer to it than MacBook Pro, just because Suface has pen and touchscreen? Is his serious journalism? It only proves the versatility of Surface Pro compared to MacBook Pro, but it does not mean any device with pen and touchscreen would be comparable to Surface Pro or MacBook Pro.
He was correct.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
Was that supposed to be a joke? That aspect makes the iPad rather a competitor to Surface Pro than the MacBook? Seriously? Based on this logic this one is a competitor to iPad Pro!
The versatility of Surface Pro does not make every device that has a feature in common with it a competitor.
It's not about processing power. It is about functionality.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
If my grandson only had a MacBook he could not complete his school work -- it requires BOTH a laptop and a tablet & pencil. A 2 in 1 can do that. A laptop can't,
And the iPad isn't a 2 in 1?
My son was literally in tears trying to deal with all the complication caused by the Windows-based 2-in-1 computer his school loaned him for online school. I was constantly trying to configure it to do his work and helping him, so I finally broke down and got him an iPad Air with pencil and keyboard. After a bit of setup hassle (mainly due to the complicated school logins), he's now able to do everything himself without problems: video conferencing for his classes, using a PDF editor and Apple Pencil for his assignments, taking pictures of his paper-based work and uploading them, switching back and forth between conferencing and his work like a pro. So much more intuitive to use. I'm actually able to get my work done while he's in class again!
I hear you!
But the iPad is a poor substitute for a high quality 2 in 1.
My grandson's school also gave him a small, crappy 2 in 1 -- it even uses a Celeron processor! (I thought they had been retired a decade ago!).
Fortunately, he already had both an iPad (6th gen) and a MacBook. He uses both . Technically the iPad could be used for all (or 95%) of what he needs, but its 9.7" screen and cramped keyboard make it a real pain to use for laptop type tasks. So he switches back and forth. He'll even switch back and forth on a single assignment: his last science assignment had him graphing a something and then typing interpretations of the graph: he used the iPad for the graph and then his MacBook for the essay questions.
That won't work though when he returns to in-school classes -- he'll need a single device.
The small keyboard is actually perfect for my son's small hands. However, a trackpad isn't a substitute for a good mouse. Thankfully it's simple to pair a bluetooth mouse with the iPad (which I've done). It's also possible to pair bluetooth keyboards if you want a full sized one.
As for the small screen, I agree. I'm going to get the USB-C to HDMI adapter so that my son can hook it up to my 4K monitor. No need for extra devices, there are plenty of solutions for the iPad itself.
Malcolm, you lost your credibility in your very first sentence: "Microsoft's latest attempt to promote its Surface tablet lineup has it comparing the Surface Pro 7 against Apple's MacBook Pro, despite the iPad Air potentially being a closer rival device."
WTH are you talking about? I think the following describes best the ridiculousness of your comparison:
Use an iPad Air to connect via Remote Desktop to a computer running Eclipse for development including an Oracle Database Server and a Tomcat server
The that computer running all of that is a Surface Pro
I'm using my Surface Pro for my presenting our complete software solution in front of customers when running Oracle and two Tomcat servers on it, and you say iPad Air is potentially being closer to it than MacBook Pro, just because Suface has pen and touchscreen? Is his serious journalism? It only proves the versatility of Surface Pro compared to MacBook Pro, but it does not mean any device with pen and touchscreen would be comparable to Surface Pro or MacBook Pro.
He was correct.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
Was that supposed to be a joke? That aspect makes the iPad rather a competitor to Surface Pro than the MacBook? Seriously? Based on this logic this one is a competitor to iPad Pro!
The versatility of Surface Pro does not make every device that has a feature in common with it a competitor.
It's not about processing power. It is about functionality.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
If my grandson only had a MacBook he could not complete his school work -- it requires BOTH a laptop and a tablet & pencil. A 2 in 1 can do that. A laptop can't,
And the iPad isn't a 2 in 1?
My son was literally in tears trying to deal with all the complication caused by the Windows-based 2-in-1 computer his school loaned him for online school. I was constantly trying to configure it to do his work and helping him, so I finally broke down and got him an iPad Air with pencil and keyboard. After a bit of setup hassle (mainly due to the complicated school logins), he's now able to do everything himself without problems: video conferencing for his classes, using a PDF editor and Apple Pencil for his assignments, taking pictures of his paper-based work and uploading them, switching back and forth between conferencing and his work like a pro. So much more intuitive to use. I'm actually able to get my work done while he's in class again!
I hear you!
But the iPad is a poor substitute for a high quality 2 in 1.
For me, Windows itself just isn't a high quality experience. I had to spend 20 minutes the other day removing stuff from my PC after my son installed a Minecraft mod which was littered with spam software that was trying to "optimize" it. Just so much garbage on Windows that you never have to deal with on iPad. I also had to do a Google search and dig through 3 levels of settings just to figure out how to get the volume level up on the microphone. So much wasted time.
nad comparisons. They should have done a Samsung and compared their knockoffs to 5 year old Apple products.
what I hate about these ads is iKnockoff morons will reference them(yes they’re THAT stupid) during argument. They are HEAVILY influenced by media and ads but call people who buy authentic Apple products “sheep”. Apparently in order to not be a “sheep” you have to buy crap knockoffs.
Malcolm, you lost your credibility in your very first sentence: "Microsoft's latest attempt to promote its Surface tablet lineup has it comparing the Surface Pro 7 against Apple's MacBook Pro, despite the iPad Air potentially being a closer rival device."
WTH are you talking about? I think the following describes best the ridiculousness of your comparison:
Use an iPad Air to connect via Remote Desktop to a computer running Eclipse for development including an Oracle Database Server and a Tomcat server
The that computer running all of that is a Surface Pro
I'm using my Surface Pro for my presenting our complete software solution in front of customers when running Oracle and two Tomcat servers on it, and you say iPad Air is potentially being closer to it than MacBook Pro, just because Suface has pen and touchscreen? Is his serious journalism? It only proves the versatility of Surface Pro compared to MacBook Pro, but it does not mean any device with pen and touchscreen would be comparable to Surface Pro or MacBook Pro.
He was correct.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
Was that supposed to be a joke? That aspect makes the iPad rather a competitor to Surface Pro than the MacBook? Seriously? Based on this logic this one is a competitor to iPad Pro!
The versatility of Surface Pro does not make every device that has a feature in common with it a competitor.
It's not about processing power. It is about functionality.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
If my grandson only had a MacBook he could not complete his school work -- it requires BOTH a laptop and a tablet & pencil. A 2 in 1 can do that. A laptop can't,
And the iPad isn't a 2 in 1?
My son was literally in tears trying to deal with all the complication caused by the Windows-based 2-in-1 computer his school loaned him for online school. I was constantly trying to configure it to do his work and helping him, so I finally broke down and got him an iPad Air with pencil and keyboard. After a bit of setup hassle (mainly due to the complicated school logins), he's now able to do everything himself without problems: video conferencing for his classes, using a PDF editor and Apple Pencil for his assignments, taking pictures of his paper-based work and uploading them, switching back and forth between conferencing and his work like a pro. So much more intuitive to use. I'm actually able to get my work done while he's in class again!
I hear you!
But the iPad is a poor substitute for a high quality 2 in 1.
My grandson's school also gave him a small, crappy 2 in 1 -- it even uses a Celeron processor! (I thought they had been retired a decade ago!).
Fortunately, he already had both an iPad (6th gen) and a MacBook. He uses both . Technically the iPad could be used for all (or 95%) of what he needs, but its 9.7" screen and cramped keyboard make it a real pain to use for laptop type tasks. So he switches back and forth. He'll even switch back and forth on a single assignment: his last science assignment had him graphing a something and then typing interpretations of the graph: he used the iPad for the graph and then his MacBook for the essay questions.
That won't work though when he returns to in-school classes -- he'll need a single device.
The small keyboard is actually perfect for my son's small hands. However, a trackpad isn't a substitute for a good mouse. Thankfully it's simple to pair a bluetooth mouse with the iPad (which I've done). It's also possible to pair bluetooth keyboards if you want a full sized one.
As for the small screen, I agree. I'm going to get the USB-C to HDMI adapter so that my son can hook it up to my 4K monitor. No need for extra devices, there are plenty of solutions for the iPad itself.
Good job!
Yeh, the regular keyboard, mouse and monitor will make a huge difference. (I assume he has an Apple Pencil as well?)
Malcolm, you lost your credibility in your very first sentence: "Microsoft's latest attempt to promote its Surface tablet lineup has it comparing the Surface Pro 7 against Apple's MacBook Pro, despite the iPad Air potentially being a closer rival device."
WTH are you talking about? I think the following describes best the ridiculousness of your comparison:
Use an iPad Air to connect via Remote Desktop to a computer running Eclipse for development including an Oracle Database Server and a Tomcat server
The that computer running all of that is a Surface Pro
I'm using my Surface Pro for my presenting our complete software solution in front of customers when running Oracle and two Tomcat servers on it, and you say iPad Air is potentially being closer to it than MacBook Pro, just because Suface has pen and touchscreen? Is his serious journalism? It only proves the versatility of Surface Pro compared to MacBook Pro, but it does not mean any device with pen and touchscreen would be comparable to Surface Pro or MacBook Pro.
He was correct.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
Was that supposed to be a joke? That aspect makes the iPad rather a competitor to Surface Pro than the MacBook? Seriously? Based on this logic this one is a competitor to iPad Pro!
The versatility of Surface Pro does not make every device that has a feature in common with it a competitor.
It's not about processing power. It is about functionality.
The Surface pro is a 2 in 1 -- it can function either in laptop mode or tablet mode. So can the iPad. The MacBook cannot.
If my grandson only had a MacBook he could not complete his school work -- it requires BOTH a laptop and a tablet & pencil. A 2 in 1 can do that. A laptop can't,
And the iPad isn't a 2 in 1?
My son was literally in tears trying to deal with all the complication caused by the Windows-based 2-in-1 computer his school loaned him for online school. I was constantly trying to configure it to do his work and helping him, so I finally broke down and got him an iPad Air with pencil and keyboard. After a bit of setup hassle (mainly due to the complicated school logins), he's now able to do everything himself without problems: video conferencing for his classes, using a PDF editor and Apple Pencil for his assignments, taking pictures of his paper-based work and uploading them, switching back and forth between conferencing and his work like a pro. So much more intuitive to use. I'm actually able to get my work done while he's in class again!
I hear you!
But the iPad is a poor substitute for a high quality 2 in 1.
For me, Windows itself just isn't a high quality experience. I had to spend 20 minutes the other day removing stuff from my PC after my son installed a Minecraft mod which was littered with spam software that was trying to "optimize" it. Just so much garbage on Windows that you never have to deal with on iPad. I also had to do a Google search and dig through 3 levels of settings just to figure out how to get the volume level up on the microphone. So much wasted time.
My grandson was the opposite: he asked for a MacBook and I got him one. But then he refused to use it because he found MacOS confusing (because he had been trained on Windows). I installed Windows 10 under Boot Camp and now it gets used everyday by him and his mom.
It's not that Windows is better -- just what he was familiar with. Call it a bias or a prejudice.
But the iPad is a poor substitute for a high quality 2 in 1.
My grandson's school also gave him a small, crappy 2 in 1 -- it even uses a Celeron processor! (I thought they had been retired a decade ago!).
Fortunately, he already had both an iPad (6th gen) and a MacBook. He uses both . Technically the iPad could be used for all (or 95%) of what he needs, but its 9.7" screen and cramped keyboard make it a real pain to use for laptop type tasks. So he switches back and forth. He'll even switch back and forth on a single assignment: his last science assignment had him graphing a something and then typing interpretations of the graph: he used the iPad for the graph and then his MacBook for the essay questions.
That won't work though when he returns to in-school classes -- he'll need a single device.
The small keyboard is actually perfect for my son's small hands. However, a trackpad isn't a substitute for a good mouse. Thankfully it's simple to pair a bluetooth mouse with the iPad (which I've done). It's also possible to pair bluetooth keyboards if you want a full sized one.
As for the small screen, I agree. I'm going to get the USB-C to HDMI adapter so that my son can hook it up to my 4K monitor. No need for extra devices, there are plenty of solutions for the iPad itself.
Good job!
Yeh, the regular keyboard, mouse and monitor will make a huge difference. (I assume he has an Apple Pencil as well?)
Yeah, he loves using the Apple Pencil for his writing work. Which is perfect because he has fine motor skill issues and would fight against doing regular writing because of that.
For me, Windows itself just isn't a high quality experience. I had to spend 20 minutes the other day removing stuff from my PC after my son installed a Minecraft mod which was littered with spam software that was trying to "optimize" it. Just so much garbage on Windows that you never have to deal with on iPad. I also had to do a Google search and dig through 3 levels of settings just to figure out how to get the volume level up on the microphone. So much wasted time.
My grandson was the opposite: he asked for a MacBook and I got him one. But then he refused to use it because he found MacOS confusing (because he had been trained on Windows). I installed Windows 10 under Boot Camp and now it gets used everyday by him and his mom.
It's not that Windows is better -- just what he was familiar with. Call it a bias or a prejudice.
Yeah, I hear that from people a lot, and it's understandable.
I've personally always been the type who wants to try everything in order to find what really works for me (and my son has inherited that trait). Learning different hotkeys and desktop UIs is worth the effort for me if I can find something that works well and saves me time in the long run.
Over the years I've used (roughly in order) MS DOS, Windows 3.x/95/NT/7/10, OS/2, Linux, NetBSD, Solaris, IRIX, Mac OS 9/X. Out of learning all those, I've found that Mac OS X has been the best for my needs. It runs all the software I need (which is lacking on most UNIX-based systems), it "just works" out of the box (no driver installs and long configuration sessions to get everything working like Windows tends to require when you first install it or upgrade to new versions), the organization of the settings is very intuitive (I rarely need to Google anything), and when I want to get under the hood and do something unique with it like set up a dedicated video streaming box, it has the full power of a UNIX system (not the half-baked command prompt or so-called "Powershell" on Windows). It can be as easy-to-use or as powerful as you need it. The best of both worlds.
The YouTube video has the comments turned off? What are they afraid of?
All of Apple's YouTube videos and all their social media channels have the comments turned off. What are they afraid of?
In all fairness which one of Apple's Youtube videos are directly comparing an Apple Product against a competitor? These videos are product info and not commercials showing why they are better than another company's machine.
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"Microsoft's latest attempt to promote its Surface tablet lineup has it comparing the Surface Pro 7 against Apple's MacBook Pro, despite the iPad Air potentially being a closer rival device."
WTH are you talking about? I think the following describes best the ridiculousness of your comparison:
- Use an iPad Air to connect via Remote Desktop to a computer running Eclipse for development including an Oracle Database Server and a Tomcat server
- The that computer running all of that is a Surface Pro
I'm using my Surface Pro for my presenting our complete software solution in front of customers when running Oracle and two Tomcat servers on it, and you say iPad Air is potentially being closer to it than MacBook Pro, just because Suface has pen and touchscreen? Is his serious journalism?It only proves the versatility of Surface Pro compared to MacBook Pro, but it does not mean any device with pen and touchscreen would be comparable to Surface Pro or MacBook Pro.
Based on this logic this one is a competitor to iPad Pro!
The versatility of Surface Pro does not make every device that has a feature in common with it a competitor.
Apparently, you don't know that it's common for corporations to disable comments. Even Apple doesn't allow it.
I use Atom on MacOS and I have no idea what you mean by undo/redo... I tried that and it works as expected.
ALL of these product from ALL the PC manufactures down to Apple, I think the main thing is, to not be like Sony in the old days. Sony has like IDK a million different MAIN products from Cameras to You Name IT!
But if you can keep your NUMBER of products relatively LOW, and have a semblance of a nice little eco-system, you kind of WIN at this POINT.
I mean Microsoft HAS an ecosystem, but we all know ECO ECO blah blah.
I think where Apple is really really shining is the branches at this point. Like I mean HAPPINESS. It's a fickle thing in the tech industry. It's like the old school feeling of having a nice sweat suit and shoes in the 80's RUN DMC LL Cool J style, and maybe with a Kangol hat.
Just feels good having 4-5 parts all working together. (Watch I am lookin' at you)
Apple has slowly gotten in a direction like Sony with umpteenth products, but they are like in recent post a "Lifestyle Company", but so is Microsoft. BUT the main thing that HURTS Microsoft SO effing BAD is LACK of a PHONE. I mean that's just like the Death-knell. And to me the iPad, especially with the Pencil, is strictly an Artists, Digital Artist's, dream, that's the iPad to me, with a little OS for files and social etc, some games. I remember when I was gonna have dual phones and PCs but then they killed Nokia after they bought them, and I was like "you know what?" pfsht
HAPPINESS, if you are OK and happy with the LOOK, the STYLE, the FEEL, the TEXTURE, etc etc I mean there are tons FACTORS that go into the whole, Mac PC argument, beside this is better that's better.
If you are HAPPY with Windows I don't see why you need to put down Apple, and vice versa... it's funny to say "Can't we all just get along" -Rodney King. But it's just like man, make yourself happy, and if you have to freakin' SHOP around and READ articles DO SO...
But guys there's no 100% answer, (I mean even if you are like I only have $200, you can HIT eBay HARD CORE! man)
Laters...
This only proves once again the versatility of Surface Pro which was also demonstrated in the ad. But it does not prove that the iPad could replace Surface Pro, not even remotely.
But a MacBook could replace the Surface Pro in many areas and vice versa .
Also, as you said, VSCode is horrible on non-Windows platforms. Personally, I use Visual Studio Professional on Windows and Xcode on Mac since they give the best experience. I've tried a number of cross-platform development apps over the years, and they're always a compromise compared to those gold standards. Then again, I don't do web development because it's the very basis of that compromised experience. I prefer apps which give me a great, native platform experience and so I want to create the same types of apps myself.
In regard to Atom, it's not terrible, but man is it dog slow to load up when you just need to edit something quickly. It also defaults to showing this dumb project editing tab on the left side which takes up 1/3rd of the window and I don't use it enough to invest time in figuring out how to turn that thing off.
ITGUYINSD said: And who created that remote desktop software? Likely not Apple, but hey, it's Apple's fault other developers can't figure out how to handle app switches properly. Do you also blame Walmart when the Samsung TV you bought there has problems?
My son was literally in tears trying to deal with all the complication caused by the Windows-based 2-in-1 computer his school loaned him for online school. I was constantly trying to configure it to do his work and helping him, so I finally broke down and got him an iPad Air with pencil and keyboard. After a bit of setup hassle (mainly due to the complicated school logins), he's now able to do everything himself without problems: video conferencing for his classes, using a PDF editor and Apple Pencil for his assignments, taking pictures of his paper-based work and uploading them, switching back and forth between conferencing and his work like a pro. So much more intuitive to use. I'm actually able to get my work done while he's in class again!
As for the small screen, I agree. I'm going to get the USB-C to HDMI adapter so that my son can hook it up to my 4K monitor. No need for extra devices, there are plenty of solutions for the iPad itself.
For me, Windows itself just isn't a high quality experience. I had to spend 20 minutes the other day removing stuff from my PC after my son installed a Minecraft mod which was littered with spam software that was trying to "optimize" it. Just so much garbage on Windows that you never have to deal with on iPad. I also had to do a Google search and dig through 3 levels of settings just to figure out how to get the volume level up on the microphone. So much wasted time.
nad comparisons. They should have done a Samsung and compared their knockoffs to 5 year old Apple products.
what I hate about these ads is iKnockoff morons will reference them(yes they’re THAT stupid) during argument. They are HEAVILY influenced by media and ads but call people who buy authentic Apple products “sheep”. Apparently in order to not be a “sheep” you have to buy crap knockoffs.
You guys are surprised? 99% of Android phones and knockoff iPads use Apple packaging.
”But but that’s where the industry was heading!!”
They call them “knockoff iPads”.
Trolls. Difference is, Apple has comments turned off by default for obvious reasons. Microsoft usually has them turned on.
This comment is as dumb as saying “Banks won’t let customers into their vaults!! What are they afraid of?!???”
When they’ve never allowed that.
Yeah, I hear that from people a lot, and it's understandable.
I've personally always been the type who wants to try everything in order to find what really works for me (and my son has inherited that trait). Learning different hotkeys and desktop UIs is worth the effort for me if I can find something that works well and saves me time in the long run.
Over the years I've used (roughly in order) MS DOS, Windows 3.x/95/NT/7/10, OS/2, Linux, NetBSD, Solaris, IRIX, Mac OS 9/X. Out of learning all those, I've found that Mac OS X has been the best for my needs. It runs all the software I need (which is lacking on most UNIX-based systems), it "just works" out of the box (no driver installs and long configuration sessions to get everything working like Windows tends to require when you first install it or upgrade to new versions), the organization of the settings is very intuitive (I rarely need to Google anything), and when I want to get under the hood and do something unique with it like set up a dedicated video streaming box, it has the full power of a UNIX system (not the half-baked command prompt or so-called "Powershell" on Windows). It can be as easy-to-use or as powerful as you need it. The best of both worlds.