Apple reportedly testing in-screen Touch ID for the next iPhone

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The next iPhone could feature both Face ID and a version of Touch ID using an optical fingerprint scanner built into the display.

Touch ID and Face ID
Touch ID and Face ID


Following many previous reports that Apple has been investigating under-display optical Touch ID, a new claim says that the feature is in testing. If correct, it backs up predictions that the technology will appear in the "iPhone 13."

According to the Wall Street Journal, two unnamed former Apple employees have confirmed that a new optical Touch ID may be featured alongside the existing Face ID.

One former employee previously worked on Touch ID and said that an optical version could be more reliable than the existing ultrasonic technique. However, this source also said that Apple would not adopt optical fingerprint sensing unless it proved to be as secure as the current Touch ID.

Touch ID is currently used in the iPhone SE, iPad, and MacBooks. Most recently, Apple moved the Touch ID sensor to the sleep/wake button on the iPad Air 4.
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  • Reply 1 of 21
    roakeroake Posts: 809member
    I wear a mask all day.  Face ID is great, but useless with the mask.  The return of Touch ID would be SO NICE...

    I would like to see security options that could allow requirements for both Touch and Face ID (and possibly passcode), combinations of these, or none of them (security off).

    I also want to see a “poison finger” option where, if a certain finger is used on the fingerprint scanner, the phone is disabled and wiped.
    SpamSandwichpulseimagesrotateleftbytellamaplastico23ravnorodompatchythepiratemuthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 21
    roakeroake Posts: 809member
    Duplicate post deleted.
    edited January 2021
  • Reply 3 of 21
    roake said:
    I wear a mask all day.  Face ID is great, but useless with the mask.  The return of Touch ID would be SO NICE...

    I would like to see security options that could allow requirements for both Touch and Face ID (and possibly passcode), combinations of these, or none of them (security off).

    I also want to see a “poison finger” option where, if a certain finger is used on the fingerprint scanner, the phone is disabled and wiped.
    I’d be OK with a pattern that would erase a locked phone, not just one finger. The chances of accidental erasure would be too great.
    gregoriusmpulseimagespatchythepiraterazorpitwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 21
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,902member
    Under-screen touch ID is work/tech in progress. When it reaches to perfection of current touch id; Apple will adopt.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 21
    wood1208 said:
    Under-screen touch ID is work/tech in progress. When it reaches to perfection of current touch id; Apple will adopt.
    My brother-in-law has a Samsung Galaxy S10 with built in touch-ID and it’s reliable and fast. 
    chemengin1
  • Reply 6 of 21
    flydogflydog Posts: 1,121member
    wood1208 said:
    Under-screen touch ID is work/tech in progress. When it reaches to perfection of current touch id; Apple will adopt.
    My brother-in-law has a Samsung Galaxy S10 with built in touch-ID and it’s reliable and fast. 
    yeah, it's flawless:
     
    https://www.valuewalk.com/2020/01/slow-galaxy-s10-fingerprint-sensor/

    https://www.samsung.com/us/support/troubleshooting/TSG01200322/

    https://thedroidguy.com/fix-s10-fingerprint-scanner-not-working-1101193

    https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxys10/comments/bj4x9m/still_experiencing_fingerprint_scanner_issues/

    edited January 2021 watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 21
    flydog said:
    wood1208 said:
    Under-screen touch ID is work/tech in progress. When it reaches to perfection of current touch id; Apple will adopt.
    My brother-in-law has a Samsung Galaxy S10 with built in touch-ID and it’s reliable and fast. 
    yeah, it's flawless:
     
    https://www.valuewalk.com/2020/01/slow-galaxy-s10-fingerprint-sensor/

    https://www.samsung.com/us/support/troubleshooting/TSG01200322/

    https://thedroidguy.com/fix-s10-fingerprint-scanner-not-working-1101193

    https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxys10/comments/bj4x9m/still_experiencing_fingerprint_scanner_issues/

    1. I have it on my Galaxy Note 20 Ultra and it works great; more accurate than the rear fingerprint scanner on my Galaxy S8+. Credible sources state that the version on the Galaxy S21 is even better.
    2. New features that are "Apple first" don't always work flawlessly out of the gate. They also don't always succeed! Instead it is the features that have become popular and refined from years of use on hundreds of millions of Android devices first that are more likely to be very popular and well implemented initially on Apple products.
    3. Despite everyone claiming "Apple did it right" or "waited until it was ready", Apple features that are adopted after having been in use on Android devices for years don't work any better (5G, NFC, widgets, stylus support, OLED screens, phablet form factors, set top boxes with app stores) and at times are even behind the Android implementation and need years to catch up. Case in point: HomePod.

    Apple is still with the waterfall SDLC while Google relies on agile. That means the latter comes out with more products faster, but at the cost of having a lot more products be half-baked and ultimately fail. Samsung for their part is SDLC like Apple, but unlike Apple they do their own manufacturing and are a leader in components and the basic engineering/physics behind them. So a lot of features are going to be in Samsung phones first merely because Samsung themselves invented the components for those features. 

    It is no big deal: it just means that Apple's strengths are in other areas. But Google and Samsung have their own strengths and you should just go ahead and admit that Apple copies and benefits from those strengths on a regular basis. I myself prefer benefiting from new tech early instead of waiting 3-4  years until Apple is able to polish it nice and shiny. That is why I obtained my first phablet years before Apple introduced one - and years more before Apple's phablets actually had OS functionality to make it more than merely the same phone with a bigger screen - and on that phone was using Google Wallet years before Apple introduced Apple Pay, and why in a few months I am going to trade in my Galaxy Note 20 for a Galaxy Fold 3 (again at least a couple of years before Apple gets around to it). 

    edited January 2021 avon b7elijahgmuthuk_vanalingamchemengin1
  • Reply 8 of 21
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,277member
    I think apple have kept swipe up to unlock. They can use the same gesture and have the sensor under the white line. 

    Make touchID as frictionless as faceID.

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 21
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,894member
    cloudguy said:
    flydog said:
    wood1208 said:
    Under-screen touch ID is work/tech in progress. When it reaches to perfection of current touch id; Apple will adopt.
    My brother-in-law has a Samsung Galaxy S10 with built in touch-ID and it’s reliable and fast. 
    yeah, it's flawless:
     
    https://www.valuewalk.com/2020/01/slow-galaxy-s10-fingerprint-sensor/

    https://www.samsung.com/us/support/troubleshooting/TSG01200322/

    https://thedroidguy.com/fix-s10-fingerprint-scanner-not-working-1101193

    https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxys10/comments/bj4x9m/still_experiencing_fingerprint_scanner_issues/

    3. Despite everyone claiming "Apple did it right" or "waited until it was ready", Apple features that are adopted after having been in use on Android devices for years don't work any better (5G, NFC, widgets, stylus support, OLED screens, phablet form factors, set top boxes with app stores) and at times are even behind the Android implementation and need years to catch up. Case in point: HomePod.


    we won't bring up samsung's version of face ID that could be fooled with a photo....
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 21
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,894member
    The question is what's the technology? There was a report recently about an in screen fingerprint sensor by Qualcomm - I don't recall if it was optical or ultrasonic. Does anyone know what samsung is using? If both samsung and Apple use the same QC chip one could expect similar performance.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 21
    Essential during COVD 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 21
    The iPad's  touch ID button is fantastic and would be welcome on the phone if under the screen does not happen
    patchythepiraterazorpitwatto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 21
    I prefer Touch ID in a pandemic. and it would be great to have both options. Guess I'll be waiting for the NEXT iPhone.
  • Reply 14 of 21
    roakeroake Posts: 809member
    cloudguy said:
    flydog said:
    wood1208 said:
    Under-screen touch ID is work/tech in progress. When it reaches to perfection of current touch id; Apple will adopt.
    My brother-in-law has a Samsung Galaxy S10 with built in touch-ID and it’s reliable and fast. 
    yeah, it's flawless:
     
    https://www.valuewalk.com/2020/01/slow-galaxy-s10-fingerprint-sensor/

    https://www.samsung.com/us/support/troubleshooting/TSG01200322/

    https://thedroidguy.com/fix-s10-fingerprint-scanner-not-working-1101193

    https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxys10/comments/bj4x9m/still_experiencing_fingerprint_scanner_issues/

    1. I have it on my Galaxy Note 20 Ultra and it works great; more accurate than the rear fingerprint scanner on my Galaxy S8+. Credible sources state that the version on the Galaxy S21 is even better.
    2. New features that are "Apple first" don't always work flawlessly out of the gate. They also don't always succeed! Instead it is the features that have become popular and refined from years of use on hundreds of millions of Android devices first that are more likely to be very popular and well implemented initially on Apple products.
    3. Despite everyone claiming "Apple did it right" or "waited until it was ready", Apple features that are adopted after having been in use on Android devices for years don't work any better (5G, NFC, widgets, stylus support, OLED screens, phablet form factors, set top boxes with app stores) and at times are even behind the Android implementation and need years to catch up. Case in point: HomePod.

    Apple is still with the waterfall SDLC while Google relies on agile. That means the latter comes out with more products faster, but at the cost of having a lot more products be half-baked and ultimately fail. Samsung for their part is SDLC like Apple, but unlike Apple they do their own manufacturing and are a leader in components and the basic engineering/physics behind them. So a lot of features are going to be in Samsung phones first merely because Samsung themselves invented the components for those features. 

    It is no big deal: it just means that Apple's strengths are in other areas. But Google and Samsung have their own strengths and you should just go ahead and admit that Apple copies and benefits from those strengths on a regular basis. I myself prefer benefiting from new tech early instead of waiting 3-4  years until Apple is able to polish it nice and shiny. That is why I obtained my first phablet years before Apple introduced one - and years more before Apple's phablets actually had OS functionality to make it more than merely the same phone with a bigger screen - and on that phone was using Google Wallet years before Apple introduced Apple Pay, and why in a few months I am going to trade in my Galaxy Note 20 for a Galaxy Fold 3 (again at least a couple of years before Apple gets around to it). 

    They are so cute when they get like this!
    Rayz2016razorpitwatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 21
    flydog said:
    wood1208 said:
    Under-screen touch ID is work/tech in progress. When it reaches to perfection of current touch id; Apple will adopt.
    My brother-in-law has a Samsung Galaxy S10 with built in touch-ID and it’s reliable and fast. 
    yeah, it's flawless:
     
    https://www.valuewalk.com/2020/01/slow-galaxy-s10-fingerprint-sensor/

    https://www.samsung.com/us/support/troubleshooting/TSG01200322/

    https://thedroidguy.com/fix-s10-fingerprint-scanner-not-working-1101193

    https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxys10/comments/bj4x9m/still_experiencing_fingerprint_scanner_issues/

    HAHAHAHAHA....ops spoke so soon
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 21
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,274member
    I'm looking forward to this feature coming to iPhone. I don't care at all who is first to market with a feature. Until it lands on the iPhone, which is the only smartphone I'll buy, it's just a curiosity. 
    Xedwatto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 21
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    cloudguy said:
    flydog said:
    wood1208 said:
    Under-screen touch ID is work/tech in progress. When it reaches to perfection of current touch id; Apple will adopt.
    My brother-in-law has a Samsung Galaxy S10 with built in touch-ID and it’s reliable and fast. 
    yeah, it's flawless:
     
    https://www.valuewalk.com/2020/01/slow-galaxy-s10-fingerprint-sensor/

    https://www.samsung.com/us/support/troubleshooting/TSG01200322/

    https://thedroidguy.com/fix-s10-fingerprint-scanner-not-working-1101193

    https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxys10/comments/bj4x9m/still_experiencing_fingerprint_scanner_issues/

    1. I have it on my Galaxy Note 20 Ultra and it works great; more accurate than the rear fingerprint scanner on my Galaxy S8+. Credible sources state that the version on the Galaxy S21 is even better.
    2. New features that are "Apple first" don't always work flawlessly out of the gate. They also don't always succeed! Instead it is the features that have become popular and refined from years of use on hundreds of millions of Android devices first that are more likely to be very popular and well implemented initially on Apple products.
    3. Despite everyone claiming "Apple did it right" or "waited until it was ready", Apple features that are adopted after having been in use on Android devices for years don't work any better (5G, NFC, widgets, stylus support, OLED screens, phablet form factors, set top boxes with app stores) and at times are even behind the Android implementation and need years to catch up. Case in point: HomePod.

    Apple is still with the waterfall SDLC while Google relies on agile. That means the latter comes out with more products faster, but at the cost of having a lot more products be half-baked and ultimately fail. Samsung for their part is SDLC like Apple, but unlike Apple they do their own manufacturing and are a leader in components and the basic engineering/physics behind them. So a lot of features are going to be in Samsung phones first merely because Samsung themselves invented the components for those features. 

    It is no big deal: it just means that Apple's strengths are in other areas. But Google and Samsung have their own strengths and you should just go ahead and admit that Apple copies and benefits from those strengths on a regular basis. I myself prefer benefiting from new tech early instead of waiting 3-4  years until Apple is able to polish it nice and shiny. That is why I obtained my first phablet years before Apple introduced one - and years more before Apple's phablets actually had OS functionality to make it more than merely the same phone with a bigger screen - and on that phone was using Google Wallet years before Apple introduced Apple Pay, and why in a few months I am going to trade in my Galaxy Note 20 for a Galaxy Fold 3 (again at least a couple of years before Apple gets around to it). 

    Never really understood the need for Samsung users to try to convince Apple users that they’re happy with Samsung (I AM HAPPY, DAMMIT!).  It always looks like they’re trying to convince themselves. 🤔

    I mean, it obviously is a big deal because you took nearly a page to write about it. 



    edited January 2021 watto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 21
    Add my name to the folks clamoring for the return of Touch ID. Oh how I miss it! 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 21
    MplsP said:
    The question is what's the technology? There was a report recently about an in screen fingerprint sensor by Qualcomm - I don't recall if it was optical or ultrasonic. Does anyone know what samsung is using? If both samsung and Apple use the same QC chip one could expect similar performance.
    Samsung has been using the "not so reliable" ultrasonic one, just for trying to be different from other Android OEMs, getting it completely wrong for 2 full years. Samsung has finally caught up with the technology and the ultrasonic one has become reliable at last in the S21 family phones. All other Android OEMs are using the optical one, which has been reliable for 2 years already.
  • Reply 20 of 21
    Kuyangkoh said:
    flydog said:
    wood1208 said:
    Under-screen touch ID is work/tech in progress. When it reaches to perfection of current touch id; Apple will adopt.
    My brother-in-law has a Samsung Galaxy S10 with built in touch-ID and it’s reliable and fast. 
    yeah, it's flawless:
     
    https://www.valuewalk.com/2020/01/slow-galaxy-s10-fingerprint-sensor/

    https://www.samsung.com/us/support/troubleshooting/TSG01200322/

    https://thedroidguy.com/fix-s10-fingerprint-scanner-not-working-1101193

    https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxys10/comments/bj4x9m/still_experiencing_fingerprint_scanner_issues/

    HAHAHAHAHA....ops spoke so soon
    Nope. This under screen FPS (optical one, used by all other Android OEMs except Samsung) is  a "matured" technology for 2 full years already. Apple is simply late to the party by 2.5 years IF they decide to include in next generation iPhones.
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