Kuo: 48MP camera with 8K support coming to iPhone in 2022, 'mini' model axed

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  • Reply 61 of 69
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    thedba said:
    thedba said:
    thedba said:

    thedba said:

    elijahg said:
    entropys said:
    Love the mini. Will keep it as long as possible.
    Apple needs to remember that it didn't get to where it is by satisfying stockholders.

    Meeting customer wants and needs (even if it had to create them!) is what made (and makes) Apple great.  Yeh, only a minority want a smaller phone.  But likewise only a minority (8%) want a Mac.  

    I strongly doubt that Apple is losing money on the mini.  Rather, because of lower demand they aren't making as much on it as a larger phone.  If that assumption is true then Apple is putting the interests of stockholders above those of their customers -- and that is not a sustainable business plan.

    Unfortunately Cook is all about two things - squeezing as much profit out of products as possible, with the sole aim of increasing share price to satisfy investors, and using Apple as a platform for his virtue signalling. He only cares about the products as much as he has to to ensure continued profit growth.

    The HomePod was probably cancelled as it didn’t hit some return on investment metric. AppleTV+ on the other hand is being given a free pass as it’s Cook’s attempt at a legacy. They’ve spent billions on AppleTV+, likely much more than the HP, but barely anyone talks about it. When the HP was cancelled, the thread had more comments by non-regulars than I’ve seen in years. The threads on AppleTV+ get a couple of comments, if that. 
    As is often the case with postings like this, perception trumps reality. 
    A simple Google search yields some interesting facts. 



    We can see that Apple's margins started their upwards trajectory under Jobs until they hit their peak in 2012 (peak iPhone?). They have since levelled off under Tim Cook. So what conclusions can we draw? SJ was a greedy S.O.B. and TC is level headed manager?

    Source: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/profit-margins


    How to lie with statistics  I won't let facts stand in the way of a good rant.
    Fixed it for you. 
    You just don't get it.   The best way to lie is to tell PART of the truth.  And his statistics told a lie that way.

    Sorry if you can't, or won't, grasp that.

    Well we're still waiting for YOUR PART of the truth (I can use CAPS too), backed by facts. 

    Better not to legitimize a lie by debating it.
     :D  :D :D

    I can see that we've entered flat earth territory now. 

    More lies?
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  • Reply 62 of 69
    uraharaurahara Posts: 733member
    48 MP. 
    What would be the size of the picture?
    My 2 GB iCloud with 2 users is almost full. And the biggest part is taken by photos. 
    So 48 MP and still 2 GB iCloud? 
    Really bad. 
    They should have given an option to increase iCloud long ago. 
    cornchip
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  • Reply 63 of 69
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,327member
    urahara said:
    48 MP. 
    What would be the size of the picture?
    My 2 GB iCloud with 2 users is almost full. And the biggest part is taken by photos. 
    So 48 MP and still 2 GB iCloud? 
    Really bad. 
    They should have given an option to increase iCloud long ago. 
    I agree with you on the default iCloud storage.

    On the sensor size, it will probably be less of an issue, although Apple has traditionally skimped on all baseline storage options for as long as I can remember.

    The default resolution will probably use pixel binning to output much lower sized files. 

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  • Reply 64 of 69
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    urahara said:
    48 MP. 
    What would be the size of the picture?
    My 2 GB iCloud with 2 users is almost full. And the biggest part is taken by photos. 
    So 48 MP and still 2 GB iCloud? 
    Really bad. 
    They should have given an option to increase iCloud long ago. 
    Uhm, it's 5GB per iCloud user account, so given that each user can have a iCloud Account, your numbers are off.

    The pricing for additional storage;

    United States (USD)

    5GB Free
    50GB: $0.99
    200GB: $2.99
    2TB: $9.99

    Apple One plans;

    https://www.apple.com/apple-one/

    Example;

    200 GB with a $19.95 Family plan which includes;

    I have the Premier Plan for $29.95 per month, which is probably overkill for me, but I wanted News as part of my bundle. That's a dollar a day.


    Apple TV+, Apple Music, Arcade, News+, Fitness+, and 2 TB, family sharing for up to five people.

    https://www.apple.com/family-sharing/

    Oh, and you don't need and Apple device to create an Apple ID;

    https://macreports.com/how-to-create-an-apple-id-without-an-apple-device-credit-card/

    Then, of course, you have the option of converting .jpg to HEIF format, which is about twice as efficient, and is actually a container for still images, including sequences, and it is based on HEVC, H.265

    "Since iOS 11, your iPhone has, by default, captured images in a format called HEIC (also known as HEIF), and HEVC for video. It's a more efficient format than the old default, JPEG, because it saves storage space with smaller file sizes, even though the quality of images is nearly identical."

    Google pricing comparison;

    15 GB free,
    100GB: $0.99
    200GB: $2.99
    2TB: $9.99

    I don't see why you can't store your photos on Google's free 15GB tier if you don't want to pay for the iCloud 50 GB plan. Another option is to purchase more storage on your devices next time, which seems reasonable given a device with 48 MP, and 4K video, and keep it there. Lastly, it is possible to store photos on flash drives, hard drives, and SSD's, but access is limited.

    edited April 2021
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  • Reply 65 of 69
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    I hope he's wrong about the Mini, I was thinking of upgrading this year, and the Mini is the phone that appeals..
    cornchip
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  • Reply 66 of 69
    uraharaurahara Posts: 733member
    tmay said:
    urahara said:
    48 MP. 
    What would be the size of the picture?
    My 2 GB iCloud with 2 users is almost full. And the biggest part is taken by photos. 
    So 48 MP and still 2 GB iCloud? 
    Really bad. 
    They should have given an option to increase iCloud long ago. 
    Uhm, it's 5GB per iCloud user account, so given that each user can have a iCloud Account, your numbers are off.

    The pricing for additional storage;

    United States (USD)

    5GB Free
    50GB: $0.99
    200GB: $2.99
    2TB: $9.99

    Apple One plans;

    https://www.apple.com/apple-one/

    Example;

    200 GB with a $19.95 Family plan which includes;

    I have the Premier Plan for $29.95 per month, which is probably overkill for me, but I wanted News as part of my bundle. That's a dollar a day.


    Apple TV+, Apple Music, Arcade, News+, Fitness+, and 2 TB, family sharing for up to five people.

    https://www.apple.com/family-sharing/

    Oh, and you don't need and Apple device to create an Apple ID;

    https://macreports.com/how-to-create-an-apple-id-without-an-apple-device-credit-card/

    Then, of course, you have the option of converting .jpg to HEIF format, which is about twice as efficient, and is actually a container for still images, including sequences, and it is based on HEVC, H.265

    "Since iOS 11, your iPhone has, by default, captured images in a format called HEIC (also known as HEIF), and HEVC for video. It's a more efficient format than the old default, JPEG, because it saves storage space with smaller file sizes, even though the quality of images is nearly identical."

    Google pricing comparison;

    15 GB free,
    100GB: $0.99
    200GB: $2.99
    2TB: $9.99

    I don't see why you can't store your photos on Google's free 15GB tier if you don't want to pay for the iCloud 50 GB plan. Another option is to purchase more storage on your devices next time, which seems reasonable given a device with 48 MP, and 4K video, and keep it there. Lastly, it is possible to store photos on flash drives, hard drives, and SSD's, but access is limited.

    I am sorry for my typo. I meant 2 TB. 
    5GB is just a joke. Especially if you have several devices. 
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  • Reply 67 of 69
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    urahara said:
    tmay said:
    urahara said:
    48 MP. 
    What would be the size of the picture?
    My 2 GB iCloud with 2 users is almost full. And the biggest part is taken by photos. 
    So 48 MP and still 2 GB iCloud? 
    Really bad. 
    They should have given an option to increase iCloud long ago. 
    Uhm, it's 5GB per iCloud user account, so given that each user can have a iCloud Account, your numbers are off.

    The pricing for additional storage;

    United States (USD)

    5GB Free
    50GB: $0.99
    200GB: $2.99
    2TB: $9.99

    Apple One plans;

    https://www.apple.com/apple-one/

    Example;

    200 GB with a $19.95 Family plan which includes;

    I have the Premier Plan for $29.95 per month, which is probably overkill for me, but I wanted News as part of my bundle. That's a dollar a day.


    Apple TV+, Apple Music, Arcade, News+, Fitness+, and 2 TB, family sharing for up to five people.

    https://www.apple.com/family-sharing/

    Oh, and you don't need and Apple device to create an Apple ID;

    https://macreports.com/how-to-create-an-apple-id-without-an-apple-device-credit-card/

    Then, of course, you have the option of converting .jpg to HEIF format, which is about twice as efficient, and is actually a container for still images, including sequences, and it is based on HEVC, H.265

    "Since iOS 11, your iPhone has, by default, captured images in a format called HEIC (also known as HEIF), and HEVC for video. It's a more efficient format than the old default, JPEG, because it saves storage space with smaller file sizes, even though the quality of images is nearly identical."

    Google pricing comparison;

    15 GB free,
    100GB: $0.99
    200GB: $2.99
    2TB: $9.99

    I don't see why you can't store your photos on Google's free 15GB tier if you don't want to pay for the iCloud 50 GB plan. Another option is to purchase more storage on your devices next time, which seems reasonable given a device with 48 MP, and 4K video, and keep it there. Lastly, it is possible to store photos on flash drives, hard drives, and SSD's, but access is limited.

    I am sorry for my typo. I meant 2 TB. 
    5GB is just a joke. Especially if you have several devices. 
    Well, if your 2 TB tier is almost full, then you have the option of buying more multiples of 2 TB at $9.99/month. 

    I get that 5GB is "a joke" but it is almost 3 magnitudes of difference, which makes that comment irrelevant in your use case.

    At this point, you might want to consider a WD My Book 8 TB USB 3 drive, or even something larger;

    https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-External-Drive-WDBBGB0080HBK-NESN/dp/B01LQQHLGC/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-rsf-lq2a1_0?cv_ct_cx=WD+My+Book&dchild=1&keywords=WD+My+Book&pd_rd_i=B01LQQHLGC&pd_rd_r=9520d6ed-d939-4be3-a786-16e4220cf9e1&pd_rd_w=OSBQX&pd_rd_wg=4uehj&pf_rd_p=654e971b-9dd5-438c-aac0-793feffede86&pf_rd_r=3PY39259X5KDC8GX4THQ&psc=1&qid=1618825283&sr=1-1-49946e88-733b-44df-869b-c05699555c56

    I'm currently at 21 MP with my Nikon D500, and will be looking forwards to a mirrorless Z at 46 to 61 MP in the future, shooting RAW, so cloud storage for photos hasn't made sense for me in a long time, other than for a smaller number of curated images available to friends and family.

    urahara
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  • Reply 68 of 69
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,327member
    tmay said:
    urahara said:
    tmay said:
    urahara said:
    48 MP. 
    What would be the size of the picture?
    My 2 GB iCloud with 2 users is almost full. And the biggest part is taken by photos. 
    So 48 MP and still 2 GB iCloud? 
    Really bad. 
    They should have given an option to increase iCloud long ago. 
    Uhm, it's 5GB per iCloud user account, so given that each user can have a iCloud Account, your numbers are off.

    The pricing for additional storage;

    United States (USD)

    5GB Free
    50GB: $0.99
    200GB: $2.99
    2TB: $9.99

    Apple One plans;

    https://www.apple.com/apple-one/

    Example;

    200 GB with a $19.95 Family plan which includes;

    I have the Premier Plan for $29.95 per month, which is probably overkill for me, but I wanted News as part of my bundle. That's a dollar a day.


    Apple TV+, Apple Music, Arcade, News+, Fitness+, and 2 TB, family sharing for up to five people.

    https://www.apple.com/family-sharing/

    Oh, and you don't need and Apple device to create an Apple ID;

    https://macreports.com/how-to-create-an-apple-id-without-an-apple-device-credit-card/

    Then, of course, you have the option of converting .jpg to HEIF format, which is about twice as efficient, and is actually a container for still images, including sequences, and it is based on HEVC, H.265

    "Since iOS 11, your iPhone has, by default, captured images in a format called HEIC (also known as HEIF), and HEVC for video. It's a more efficient format than the old default, JPEG, because it saves storage space with smaller file sizes, even though the quality of images is nearly identical."

    Google pricing comparison;

    15 GB free,
    100GB: $0.99
    200GB: $2.99
    2TB: $9.99

    I don't see why you can't store your photos on Google's free 15GB tier if you don't want to pay for the iCloud 50 GB plan. Another option is to purchase more storage on your devices next time, which seems reasonable given a device with 48 MP, and 4K video, and keep it there. Lastly, it is possible to store photos on flash drives, hard drives, and SSD's, but access is limited.

    I am sorry for my typo. I meant 2 TB. 
    5GB is just a joke. Especially if you have several devices. 
    Well, if your 2 TB tier is almost full, then you have the option of buying more multiples of 2 TB at $9.99/month. 

    I get that 5GB is "a joke" but it is almost 3 magnitudes of difference, which makes that comment irrelevant in your use case.

    At this point, you might want to consider a WD My Book 8 TB USB 3 drive, or even something larger;

    https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-External-Drive-WDBBGB0080HBK-NESN/dp/B01LQQHLGC/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-rsf-lq2a1_0?cv_ct_cx=WD+My+Book&dchild=1&keywords=WD+My+Book&pd_rd_i=B01LQQHLGC&pd_rd_r=9520d6ed-d939-4be3-a786-16e4220cf9e1&pd_rd_w=OSBQX&pd_rd_wg=4uehj&pf_rd_p=654e971b-9dd5-438c-aac0-793feffede86&pf_rd_r=3PY39259X5KDC8GX4THQ&psc=1&qid=1618825283&sr=1-1-49946e88-733b-44df-869b-c05699555c56

    I'm currently at 21 MP with my Nikon D500, and will be looking forwards to a mirrorless Z at 46 to 61 MP in the future, shooting RAW, so cloud storage for photos hasn't made sense for me in a long time, other than for a smaller number of curated images available to friends and family.

    Depends on where you live and what's available to you.

    I currently have 1Gb symmetrical fibre, unlimited cellular data on two mobile lines, an extra data-only SIM and unlimited cloud storage via my carrier, plus Disney+, the major European football leagues and tournaments and a bunch of other channels for 89€ per month. If I'd taken a third line, Netflix would have been thrown into the deal. 

    I've been on mirrorless (m4/3) for over a decade but unfortunately Panasonic has had terrible WiFi services. It often doesn't work so I try the quick and dirty NFC option which is ok for occasional transfers.


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  • Reply 69 of 69
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,585moderator
    crowley said:
    I hope he's wrong about the Mini, I was thinking of upgrading this year, and the Mini is the phone that appeals..
    This article is about the iPhone 14, which will be late next year. The iPhone 13 this year is still expected to have a mini version.

    https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_13_mini_leak_suggests_new_dual_camera_module-news-48680.php
    https://www.tomsguide.com/news/iphone-13-could-be-the-last-iphone-mini-apples-plans-just-leaked
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