Epic Games is keeping 'Fortnite' off Microsoft xCloud because it sees it as a rival

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  • Reply 21 of 26
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 9,989member
    elijahg said:
    Not a good look when they're going after Apple for antitrust issues.
    ‘Not a good look’ applies only to Apple. Did you not get the memo?
    edited April 2021 watto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 26
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 9,989member
    so... isn't that what keeping iMessage off android is?

    these clowns at epic...
    Well, I have to give Epic some slack here. What is anti-competitive about developing a killer app (Messages, Fortnite, etc.) and keeping it away from the competition’s platform?
    FileMakerFellerwatto_cobra
  • Reply 23 of 26
    davidwdavidw Posts: 1,538member
    JinTech said:
    davidw said:
    JinTech said:
    d_2 said:
    Epic: “let’s not go after Sony’s platform where much of our revenue is made - rather, let’s go after Apple’s and only risk 7% - if we win and a new precedent is set we can then negotiate with Sony, et al”
    Isn't Sony heavily invested in Epic?
      Do you consider $250m "heavily invested?"
    https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/epic-games-2/company_financials
    Not just $250M, but another $20OM just 2 weeks ago. Sony invested $250M in an earlier funding round just last year and invested another $200M in this latest funding round. So that's a total of $450M that Sony has already invested, in less than a year. 

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/13/22381691/epic-games-sony-investment-fortnite-fall-guys-rocket-league
    That sounds like are pretty heavily invested.
    You can bet that Epic will be or already, working on games that will be exclusive to the Playstation. You know, like how iMessage is exclusive to iDevices.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 24 of 26
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,025member
    davidw said:
    JinTech said:
    davidw said:
    JinTech said:
    d_2 said:
    Epic: “let’s not go after Sony’s platform where much of our revenue is made - rather, let’s go after Apple’s and only risk 7% - if we win and a new precedent is set we can then negotiate with Sony, et al”
    Isn't Sony heavily invested in Epic?
      Do you consider $250m "heavily invested?"
    https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/epic-games-2/company_financials
    Not just $250M, but another $20OM just 2 weeks ago. Sony invested $250M in an earlier funding round just last year and invested another $200M in this latest funding round. So that's a total of $450M that Sony has already invested, in less than a year. 

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/13/22381691/epic-games-sony-investment-fortnite-fall-guys-rocket-league
    That sounds like are pretty heavily invested.
    You can bet that Epic will be or already, working on games that will be exclusive to the Playstation. You know, like how iMessage is exclusive to iDevices.
    $450m is about a 10% stake by Epic's market cap.  They haven't got enough sway to set Epic's direction and also limit their market like that.  They might have a foot in the door for exclusivity agreements, but Sony will still have to pay for them, and it wouldn't be cheap.  Epic have a long standing relationship with Microsoft through the Gears Of War series.
    FileMakerFeller
  • Reply 25 of 26
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,356member
    Epic Games is intentionally holding off on making "Fortnite" available on Microsoft's xCloud service because it views the platform as competition.

    Credit: Epic Games
    Credit: Epic Games


    A new deposition made public as part of the Apple v. Epic Games case and seen by The Verge indicates that Epic views Microsoft's offering as a rival to its own platforms. More than that, the "Fortnite" maker is deliberately keeping the game off the platform as a result.

    Epic Vice President of Business Development Joe Kreiner was questioned about the game's availability in the deposition and said that the company "viewed Microsoft's efforts with xCloud to be competitive with our PC offerings."

    In 2020, Epic partnered with Nvidia to launch "Fortnite" on the GeForce Now cloud gaming service. As part of that collaboration, all revenue that "Fortnite" makes on the platform goes back to Epic Games instead of Nvidia.

    As The Verge notes, that's likely a key reason why Epic didn't partner with Microsoft. Currently, Microsoft doesn't allow any rival game stores, and all transactions must go through its own payment platform. In the deposition, Kreiner admits that Epic hasn't attempted to negotiate with Microsoft about the requirement to use the first-party app stores or payment platforms.

    Epic Games' main argument against Apple's App Store is the fact that Apple doesn't allow third-party app stores or payment systems. In fact, Epic Games took advantage of this by implementing a direct payment system to bait Apple into removing "Fortnite," kicking off the ongoing dispute.

    Although Epic Games claims to be fighting for developer profits by arguing that Apple takes too much of its revenue, other documents seen by The Verge indicate that "Fortnite" on iOS only accounted for about 7% of Epic's total revenue. In fact, the lion's share of Epic Games' revenue actually comes from Sony, which generated 46.8% of the company's cash.

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    Does Epic allow 3rd party stores in its web gaming platform? 
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  • Reply 26 of 26
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,025member
    genovelle said:
    Epic Games is intentionally holding off on making "Fortnite" available on Microsoft's xCloud service because it views the platform as competition.

    Credit: Epic Games
    Credit: Epic Games


    A new deposition made public as part of the Apple v. Epic Games case and seen by The Verge indicates that Epic views Microsoft's offering as a rival to its own platforms. More than that, the "Fortnite" maker is deliberately keeping the game off the platform as a result.

    Epic Vice President of Business Development Joe Kreiner was questioned about the game's availability in the deposition and said that the company "viewed Microsoft's efforts with xCloud to be competitive with our PC offerings."

    In 2020, Epic partnered with Nvidia to launch "Fortnite" on the GeForce Now cloud gaming service. As part of that collaboration, all revenue that "Fortnite" makes on the platform goes back to Epic Games instead of Nvidia.

    As The Verge notes, that's likely a key reason why Epic didn't partner with Microsoft. Currently, Microsoft doesn't allow any rival game stores, and all transactions must go through its own payment platform. In the deposition, Kreiner admits that Epic hasn't attempted to negotiate with Microsoft about the requirement to use the first-party app stores or payment platforms.

    Epic Games' main argument against Apple's App Store is the fact that Apple doesn't allow third-party app stores or payment systems. In fact, Epic Games took advantage of this by implementing a direct payment system to bait Apple into removing "Fortnite," kicking off the ongoing dispute.

    Although Epic Games claims to be fighting for developer profits by arguing that Apple takes too much of its revenue, other documents seen by The Verge indicate that "Fortnite" on iOS only accounted for about 7% of Epic's total revenue. In fact, the lion's share of Epic Games' revenue actually comes from Sony, which generated 46.8% of the company's cash.

    Stay on top of all Apple news right from your HomePod. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider," and you'll get latest AppleInsider Podcast. Or ask your HomePod mini for "AppleInsider Daily" instead and you'll hear a fast update direct from our news team. And, if you're interested in Apple-centric home automation, say "Hey, Siri, play HomeKit Insider," and you'll be listening to our newest specialized podcast in moments.
    Does Epic allow 3rd party stores in its web gaming platform? 
    Epic has a web gaming platform?
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