The 24" iMac won't be a big seller. Limited ports, limited storage, limited RAM, and not exactly attractive colors...and that white bezel. Ugh. It is a stop-gap machine. The chip shortage has had a huge impact so Apple decided to use an M1 in an iMac to satisfy people. The 21.5" with upgraded graphics is faster than the M1s integrated graphics. And the 27" iMac smokes the M1 with the 10-core i9 and upgraded graphics. People have been waiting for the 'second generation' Apple Silicon to fill in the gaps missing in the M1, but nothing in sight for the replacement 16" MacBook Pro or 27" iMac. It is odd that not long ago, people were complaining that Apple was still shipping Macs with 8 and 16GB RAM, and now suddenly they all claim 8 and 16GB is the best thing ever. Look how fast M1 MacBooks appeared in the refurb store because they were customer returns.
People will skip this first generation iMac and wait for something better, that is not so limited in features.
Limited ports Please stop with this limited ports nonsense. Thunderbolt 3 is the fastest and most versatile connector in the industry today. You can daisy chain, another monitor, to another disk array, to whatever else your heart desires and not miss a beat.
limited RAM Yes it goes up to 16GB for an entry level machine. How is that a problem?
the 27" iMac smokes the M1 with the 10-core i9 and upgraded graphics Smokes it at what? In making the fans spin at full speed? Every benchmark I've seen shows that entry level M1 holds its own against Intel's or AMD's desktop silicon. It also does with less power and hence quieter. If you want to see tests check this from a couple of former AI contributors. Or check some of his videos (Linus Tech Tips) and he's not exactly your Apple fanboy.
all claim 8 and 16GB is the best thing ever Nobody ever claimed that here. Citations please. In fact many of us are waiting for WWDC to see what the next generation Apple Silicon brings to the table. Many of us are waiting for more RAM.
The 24" iMac won't be a big seller. Limited ports, limited storage, limited RAM, and not exactly attractive colors...and that white bezel. Ugh. It is a stop-gap machine. The chip shortage has had a huge impact so Apple decided to use an M1 in an iMac to satisfy people. The 21.5" with upgraded graphics is faster than the M1s integrated graphics. And the 27" iMac smokes the M1 with the 10-core i9 and upgraded graphics. People have been waiting for the 'second generation' Apple Silicon to fill in the gaps missing in the M1, but nothing in sight for the replacement 16" MacBook Pro or 27" iMac. It is odd that not long ago, people were complaining that Apple was still shipping Macs with 8 and 16GB RAM, and now suddenly they all claim 8 and 16GB is the best thing ever. Look how fast M1 MacBooks appeared in the refurb store because they were customer returns.
People will skip this first generation iMac and wait for something better, that is not so limited in features.
Limited ports Please stop with this limited ports nonsense. Thunderbolt 3 is the fastest and most versatile connector in the industry today. You can daisy chain, another monitor, to another disk array, to whatever else your heart desires and not miss a beat.
limited RAM Yes it goes up to 16GB for an entry level machine. How is that a problem?
the 27" iMac smokes the M1 with the 10-core i9 and upgraded graphics Smokes it at what? In making the fans spin at full speed? Every benchmark I've seen shows that entry level M1 holds its own against Intel's or AMD's desktop silicon. It also does with less power and hence quieter. If you want to see tests check this from a couple of former AI contributors. Or check some of his videos (Linus Tech Tips) and he's not exactly your Apple fanboy.
all claim 8 and 16GB is the best thing ever Nobody ever claimed that here. Citations please. In fact many of us are waiting for WWDC to see what the next generation Apple Silicon brings to the table. Many of us are waiting for more RAM.
Those MacBook knockoffs run Windows though. It’s like bragging about a Ferrari with a Moped engine.
P.S. realized it wasn’t YET ANOTHER anti-Apple video and you were defending M1.
The 24" iMac won't be a big seller. Limited ports, limited storage, limited RAM, and not exactly attractive colors...and that white bezel. Ugh. It is a stop-gap machine. The chip shortage has had a huge impact so Apple decided to use an M1 in an iMac to satisfy people. The 21.5" with upgraded graphics is faster than the M1s integrated graphics. And the 27" iMac smokes the M1 with the 10-core i9 and upgraded graphics. People have been waiting for the 'second generation' Apple Silicon to fill in the gaps missing in the M1, but nothing in sight for the replacement 16" MacBook Pro or 27" iMac. It is odd that not long ago, people were complaining that Apple was still shipping Macs with 8 and 16GB RAM, and now suddenly they all claim 8 and 16GB is the best thing ever. Look how fast M1 MacBooks appeared in the refurb store because they were customer returns.
People will skip this first generation iMac and wait for something better, that is not so limited in features.
Limited ports Please stop with this limited ports nonsense. Thunderbolt 3 is the fastest and most versatile connector in the industry today. You can daisy chain, another monitor, to another disk array, to whatever else your heart desires and not miss a beat.
limited RAM Yes it goes up to 16GB for an entry level machine. How is that a problem?
the 27" iMac smokes the M1 with the 10-core i9 and upgraded graphics Smokes it at what? In making the fans spin at full speed? Every benchmark I've seen shows that entry level M1 holds its own against Intel's or AMD's desktop silicon. It also does with less power and hence quieter. If you want to see tests check this from a couple of former AI contributors. Or check some of his videos (Linus Tech Tips) and he's not exactly your Apple fanboy.
all claim 8 and 16GB is the best thing ever Nobody ever claimed that here. Citations please. In fact many of us are waiting for WWDC to see what the next generation Apple Silicon brings to the table. Many of us are waiting for more RAM.
Those MacBook knockoffs run Windows though. It’s like bragging about a Ferrari with a Moped engine.
P.S. realized it wasn’t YET ANOTHER anti-Apple video and you were defending M1.
I know that Linus has a flare for the dramatic but even he admits that MS and the PC industry in general dropped the ball on the ARM transition. They were treating it more as a curiosity rather than a roadmap.
This is entirely price based. Those HP AIOs are just horrible. Their only case for redemption being they are not as bad as the Dell AIOs.
I’ve had a different experience with the Dell AIO. I’ve now purchased a total of 10 of the ones at Costco for various business clients. At $850 each Apple simply can’t compete price wise. Admittedly there’s a couple hours of prep work to have all the bloat ware removed, but that’s how/why I get paid ;-)
And yes, I’ve tried desperately to get the clients to move to macOS. Some are blocked by Windows only medical software and others by cost.
So they are not only $850 - if you're any good, you should be charging $100+ per hour. Couple of hours, and now you're over $1050. And then the repeat calls to you for support (because it's Windows) and now the cost is at the 24" iMac, and the quality will never be there.
You have to consider the total cost of ownership.
Even an iMac would need initial setup (you have to realize, these are clients that don’t even know how to download/install Chrome). And this isn’t Windows XP/7. Windows 10 has been rock solid and I’ve never had to do any work after initial setup.
I’m a huge Apple/Mac fan, and I’d love nothing more then to switch all my clients to iMacs. MY job would be so much easier (and fun), but it’d be unethical for me to steer them towards Macs when the WORK they need to do can be easily done on a machine that costs considerably less.
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Intel i3.......Hmmmm OK!
DVD Writer .........
Full HD (1920x1080) ......... 'nuff said.
I'm sure it has its market somewhere but we can easily why it costs that little.
Limited ports
Please stop with this limited ports nonsense. Thunderbolt 3 is the fastest and most versatile connector in the industry today. You can daisy chain, another monitor, to another disk array, to whatever else your heart desires and not miss a beat.
limited RAM
Yes it goes up to 16GB for an entry level machine. How is that a problem?
the 27" iMac smokes the M1 with the 10-core i9 and upgraded graphics
Smokes it at what? In making the fans spin at full speed? Every benchmark I've seen shows that entry level M1 holds its own against Intel's or AMD's desktop silicon. It also does with less power and hence quieter.
If you want to see tests check this from a couple of former AI contributors.
Or check some of his videos (Linus Tech Tips) and he's not exactly your Apple fanboy.
all claim 8 and 16GB is the best thing ever
Nobody ever claimed that here. Citations please. In fact many of us are waiting for WWDC to see what the next generation Apple Silicon brings to the table. Many of us are waiting for more RAM.
P.S. realized it wasn’t YET ANOTHER anti-Apple video and you were defending M1.
I’m a huge Apple/Mac fan, and I’d love nothing more then to switch all my clients to iMacs. MY job would be so much easier (and fun), but it’d be unethical for me to steer them towards Macs when the WORK they need to do can be easily done on a machine that costs considerably less.