Like I said- revisionist history. Keep an eye on'em, folks. Just a public service announcement.
An Ad Hominem attack means you have no argument. Attack my character because you have nothing left. History clearly shows that progress was being made, not that it's relevant to this thread.
WASHINGTON - U.S. military investigators have found no evidence that chemical weapons have been made in recent years at a suspect chemical plant secured by U.S. troops in southern Iraq (news - web sites), a senior defense official said Tuesday.
Before the war, American intelligence agencies had identified the site in the town of Najaf as a possible part of Iraq's chemical weapons program, the official said, speaking on condition he not be identified. Indications then were that the plant had not been used for banned weapons activities since 1998, the official said......snip
"history lesson: The US was not a military dictatorship."
If you were Black in America, It sure was. Not only were you subject to any white citizen "disapearing" you or your family members. you also were subject to radom or not so random police violence.
But obviously YOUR not black so YOU don't know these things.
"history lesson: The US was not a military dictatorship."
If you were Black in America, It sure was. Not only were you subject to any white citizen "disapearing" you or your family members. you also were subject to random or not so random police violence.
But obviously YOUR'RE not black so YOU don't know these things.
sorry, didn't realize we had an actual 40's revolutionary here on the boards. so tell us, what was it like there with the military running everything?
or are you saying that if i were black, i would have some kind of racial memory that all black people share? man, i never knew black guys had that, those guys have been holding out on me! would that racial memory happen to include a proper defintion of the term "military dictatorship"?
you can always trust AppleInsider to bring you the inside scoop to history that no one else knew existed, and new meanings of words you always thought you knew.
tonton, turns out you can't edit the titles of your threads anymore, at least not after a short while, so it'd have to be an AO mod or admin who changes it.
racial memory= history books, autobiographies, slave narratives. Yeah, I guess we've been holding out on you.
Just too hard to admit that not to long ago if you weren't the right color, the US was one big military dictatorship, replete with no ability to vote.
Of course things have changed now. We can vote for people who don't particularly care or listen to well. We can get shot at by police and have those persons aquited. We can drive down anyroad,anywhere in the US and be subject to illegal searches, have our licenses run, and questioned as to our drinking habits, simply because we "fit the description."
But of course, you don't really know about that do you?
But obviously YOUR'RE not black so YOU don't know these things.
or
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racial memory= history books, autobiographies, slave narratives
so is it because i'm not black or because i can't read that i can't know these things, make up your mind.
also, while you're at it toss a dictionary in with the history book, autobiographis and slave narratives and look up the meaing of a military dictatorship.
" In essence, a military dictatorship is a form of government in which absolute power is concentrated in a repressive ruler or a small clique who use military and police power to dominate the people mentally and physically. "
"a military strong man places himself in power with few if any constraints from judicial or legislative oversight."
Ok. So let's review. If you are a Slave in the United States, or a Post Civil War "African American." You do not have the right to vote. Therefore Anyone who claims to rule over you (MR. Slave or Mr. Ex-Slave) is your dictator. You can't remove him or her from power by voting, create legislation or appeal throught the courts (see Dred Scott Decision). So that person (The President, US Govornors, Mayors) are all dictators by virtue of the fact that you (mr. Slave or Ex Slave) cannot put them into or remove them from office.
In order to maintain power, These Dictators, as previously demonstrated, can authorize the use of the Police and other armed forces to dominate your population ( examples already given). Therefore as viewed from the perspective of the "slave" or "ex-slave". The dictator has the military means to "dominate" your population "mentally" and Physically." Furthermore, since we already know... sorry I already know about the various Slave Codes and other legislatitive means used to "dominate the people mentally and physically," it would seem that all the basic requirements for "military dictatorship." has been met as I used it vis-a-vis Blacks in the US.
Did these "slaves" overthrow their "dictator" to become free, or did the "dictator" implement reform and free the slaves? Honestly, where are you going with this analogy?
Sondjata, i'll assume you just got caught up in the moment and completly forgot how this all started, but we were talking about the difference between elections in the U.S. and having an election in Iraq.
you said
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hostory lesson: Blacks in the US voted against white racist running for office in spite of the fear of reprisals from terrorist groups such as the KKK and various Citizen Councils.
to which i replied that the U.S. *when black people were voting* was not a military dictatorship.
you then said it was a dictatorship because, and i quote
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Ok. So let's review. If you are a Slave in the United States, or a Post Civil War "African American." You do not have the right to vote. Therefore Anyone who claims to rule over you (MR. Slave or Mr. Ex-Slave) is your dictator. You can't remove him or her from power by voting, create legislation or appeal throught the courts (see Dred Scott Decision). So that person (The President, US Govornors, Mayors) are all dictators by virtue of the fact that you (mr. Slave or Ex Slave) cannot put them into or remove them from office.
so now you've gone from black people voting even though they fear whitey, to the US was a dictatorship because black people couldn't vote and overthrow their oppressors.
you were so busy trying to twist and turn out of being wrong you just agreed with me that you can't vote your way out of a dictatorship.
make up your mind.
but thank you for reestablishing that i'm right that voting doesn't work in a dictatorship. you might want to go ahead and edit your posts so that you appear to have some sort of continuity and logic to your posts though.
ok. now that I've established the whole "military dictatorship" issue. BAck to the voting issue. It was to show that even under situations where a population is being oppressed by "it's government" it can risks reprisals for exercising a means to end that oppression. Whither aide comes from forces within the country ( sympathetic elites) or from without. Inspectors....sanctions....smartly used political pressure...arming of disidents...etc.
You know... it just occurred to me. About these chemical suits they found.
In typical brutal dictator style, Saddam is not the sharpest knife in the box, and is pretty damn ignorant of world affairs generally. He really is that violent thug. Apparently he was actually surprised when an American official told him once that the President didn't lock up and 'disappear' people who disagreed with him. He thought everyone did that.
He really is that stupid; it takes an awesome feat of self-delusion and plenty of ignorance to be able to justify the kind of brutality in which he's expert.
This man keeps abreast of current affairs by watching satellite TV: Al'Jazeera and BBC News 24 and CNN (he doesn't speak English, so he watches the pictures: true.)
What does he see when he turns on CNN and the BBC? He sees Donald Rumsfeld.
"Ah," he thinks. "That's the chap who sold me all that VX nerve agent and anthrax culture." Indeed, that's the US Secretary of Defense.
He EXPECTS the US to use this stuff: where did he buy it in the first place?
Not to say that he doesn't have these WOMD. Just that these suits and IV atropine were probably intended for his own soldiers as a defence against 'our' WOMD.
You know... it just occurred to me. About these chemical suits they found.
In typical brutal dictator style, Saddam is not the sharpest knife in the box, and is pretty damn ignorant of world affairs generally. He really is that violent thug. Apparently he was actually surprised when an American official told him once that the President didn't lock up and 'disappear' people who disagreed with him. He thought everyone did that.
He really is that stupid; it takes an awesome feat of self-delusion and plenty of ignorance to be able to justify the kind of brutality in which he's expert.
This man keeps abreast of current affairs by watching satellite TV: Al'Jazeera and BBC News 24 and CNN (he doesn't speak English, so he watches the pictures: true.)
What does he see when he turns on CNN and the BBC? He sees Donald Rumsfeld.
"Ah," he thinks. "That's the chap who sold me all that VX nerve agent and anthrax culture." Indeed, that's the US Secretary of Defense.
He EXPECTS the US to use this stuff: where did he buy it in the first place?
Not to say that he doesn't have these WOMD. Just that these suits and IV atropine were probably intended for his own soldiers as a defence against 'our' WOMD.
He is, as I say, very stupid.
Interesting but I think Saddam would watch CNN, etc. with advisors that ARE fluent in english and explain to him whats going on. How he interprets what he hears is another thing.
Interesting but I think Saddam would watch CNN, etc. with advisors that ARE fluent in english and explain to him whats going on. How he interprets what he hears is another thing.
Yes... but the guy plays by different rules he expects the world to share.
And besides, even his closest advisors are shit scared of him, and frankly I would be too.
You know... it just occurred to me. About these chemical suits they found.....
Nice post Hassan, very possible. I thought of some similar myself, but you worded it very well.
But to be honest, I think he has the suits because he intends to maybe use his own weapons, even if he did think the US might use theirs. As, you say, he is that stupid.
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Originally posted by bunge
There are plenty of threads that show your comments are utter crap.
Ooh! Nuh-ah!
Like I said- revisionist history. Keep an eye on'em, folks. Just a public service announcement.
Originally posted by Randycat99
Ooh! Nuh-ah!
Like I said- revisionist history. Keep an eye on'em, folks. Just a public service announcement.
An Ad Hominem attack means you have no argument. Attack my character because you have nothing left. History clearly shows that progress was being made, not that it's relevant to this thread.
Oh- YOUR WELCOME!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...emical_plant_2
WASHINGTON - U.S. military investigators have found no evidence that chemical weapons have been made in recent years at a suspect chemical plant secured by U.S. troops in southern Iraq (news - web sites), a senior defense official said Tuesday.
Before the war, American intelligence agencies had identified the site in the town of Najaf as a possible part of Iraq's chemical weapons program, the official said, speaking on condition he not be identified. Indications then were that the plant had not been used for banned weapons activities since 1998, the official said......snip
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"history lesson: The US was not a military dictatorship."
If you were Black in America, It sure was. Not only were you subject to any white citizen "disapearing" you or your family members. you also were subject to radom or not so random police violence.
But obviously YOUR not black so YOU don't know these things.
Originally posted by Sondjata
Quote:
"history lesson: The US was not a military dictatorship."
If you were Black in America, It sure was. Not only were you subject to any white citizen "disapearing" you or your family members. you also were subject to random or not so random police violence.
But obviously YOUR'RE not black so YOU don't know these things.
sorry, didn't realize we had an actual 40's revolutionary here on the boards. so tell us, what was it like there with the military running everything?
or are you saying that if i were black, i would have some kind of racial memory that all black people share? man, i never knew black guys had that, those guys have been holding out on me! would that racial memory happen to include a proper defintion of the term "military dictatorship"?
you can always trust AppleInsider to bring you the inside scoop to history that no one else knew existed, and new meanings of words you always thought you knew.
tonton, turns out you can't edit the titles of your threads anymore, at least not after a short while, so it'd have to be an AO mod or admin who changes it.
Just too hard to admit that not to long ago if you weren't the right color, the US was one big military dictatorship, replete with no ability to vote.
Of course things have changed now. We can vote for people who don't particularly care or listen to well. We can get shot at by police and have those persons aquited. We can drive down anyroad,anywhere in the US and be subject to illegal searches, have our licenses run, and questioned as to our drinking habits, simply because we "fit the description."
But of course, you don't really know about that do you?
But obviously YOUR'RE not black so YOU don't know these things.
or
racial memory= history books, autobiographies, slave narratives
so is it because i'm not black or because i can't read that i can't know these things, make up your mind.
also, while you're at it toss a dictionary in with the history book, autobiographis and slave narratives and look up the meaing of a military dictatorship.
"a military strong man places himself in power with few if any constraints from judicial or legislative oversight."
-http://www.hermes-press.com/militarismindex.htm
Ok. So let's review. If you are a Slave in the United States, or a Post Civil War "African American." You do not have the right to vote. Therefore Anyone who claims to rule over you (MR. Slave or Mr. Ex-Slave) is your dictator. You can't remove him or her from power by voting, create legislation or appeal throught the courts (see Dred Scott Decision). So that person (The President, US Govornors, Mayors) are all dictators by virtue of the fact that you (mr. Slave or Ex Slave) cannot put them into or remove them from office.
In order to maintain power, These Dictators, as previously demonstrated, can authorize the use of the Police and other armed forces to dominate your population ( examples already given). Therefore as viewed from the perspective of the "slave" or "ex-slave". The dictator has the military means to "dominate" your population "mentally" and Physically." Furthermore, since we already know... sorry I already know about the various Slave Codes and other legislatitive means used to "dominate the people mentally and physically," it would seem that all the basic requirements for "military dictatorship." has been met as I used it vis-a-vis Blacks in the US.
R U-DUN?
you said
hostory lesson: Blacks in the US voted against white racist running for office in spite of the fear of reprisals from terrorist groups such as the KKK and various Citizen Councils.
to which i replied that the U.S. *when black people were voting* was not a military dictatorship.
you then said it was a dictatorship because, and i quote
Ok. So let's review. If you are a Slave in the United States, or a Post Civil War "African American." You do not have the right to vote. Therefore Anyone who claims to rule over you (MR. Slave or Mr. Ex-Slave) is your dictator. You can't remove him or her from power by voting, create legislation or appeal throught the courts (see Dred Scott Decision). So that person (The President, US Govornors, Mayors) are all dictators by virtue of the fact that you (mr. Slave or Ex Slave) cannot put them into or remove them from office.
so now you've gone from black people voting even though they fear whitey, to the US was a dictatorship because black people couldn't vote and overthrow their oppressors.
you were so busy trying to twist and turn out of being wrong you just agreed with me that you can't vote your way out of a dictatorship.
make up your mind.
but thank you for reestablishing that i'm right that voting doesn't work in a dictatorship. you might want to go ahead and edit your posts so that you appear to have some sort of continuity and logic to your posts though.
to bad we had to take that detour though.
Did these "slaves" overthrow their "dictator" to become free, or did the "dictator" implement reform and free the slaves?
A bit of both. But "implementation" wouldn't have gotten started without a certain amount of "overthrow" beforehand.
In typical brutal dictator style, Saddam is not the sharpest knife in the box, and is pretty damn ignorant of world affairs generally. He really is that violent thug. Apparently he was actually surprised when an American official told him once that the President didn't lock up and 'disappear' people who disagreed with him. He thought everyone did that.
He really is that stupid; it takes an awesome feat of self-delusion and plenty of ignorance to be able to justify the kind of brutality in which he's expert.
This man keeps abreast of current affairs by watching satellite TV: Al'Jazeera and BBC News 24 and CNN (he doesn't speak English, so he watches the pictures: true.)
What does he see when he turns on CNN and the BBC? He sees Donald Rumsfeld.
"Ah," he thinks. "That's the chap who sold me all that VX nerve agent and anthrax culture." Indeed, that's the US Secretary of Defense.
He EXPECTS the US to use this stuff: where did he buy it in the first place?
Not to say that he doesn't have these WOMD. Just that these suits and IV atropine were probably intended for his own soldiers as a defence against 'our' WOMD.
He is, as I say, very stupid.
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
You know... it just occurred to me. About these chemical suits they found.
In typical brutal dictator style, Saddam is not the sharpest knife in the box, and is pretty damn ignorant of world affairs generally. He really is that violent thug. Apparently he was actually surprised when an American official told him once that the President didn't lock up and 'disappear' people who disagreed with him. He thought everyone did that.
He really is that stupid; it takes an awesome feat of self-delusion and plenty of ignorance to be able to justify the kind of brutality in which he's expert.
This man keeps abreast of current affairs by watching satellite TV: Al'Jazeera and BBC News 24 and CNN (he doesn't speak English, so he watches the pictures: true.)
What does he see when he turns on CNN and the BBC? He sees Donald Rumsfeld.
"Ah," he thinks. "That's the chap who sold me all that VX nerve agent and anthrax culture." Indeed, that's the US Secretary of Defense.
He EXPECTS the US to use this stuff: where did he buy it in the first place?
Not to say that he doesn't have these WOMD. Just that these suits and IV atropine were probably intended for his own soldiers as a defence against 'our' WOMD.
He is, as I say, very stupid.
Interesting but I think Saddam would watch CNN, etc. with advisors that ARE fluent in english and explain to him whats going on. How he interprets what he hears is another thing.
Originally posted by Outsider
Interesting but I think Saddam would watch CNN, etc. with advisors that ARE fluent in english and explain to him whats going on. How he interprets what he hears is another thing.
Yes... but the guy plays by different rules he expects the world to share.
And besides, even his closest advisors are shit scared of him, and frankly I would be too.
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
You know... it just occurred to me. About these chemical suits they found.....
Nice post Hassan, very possible. I thought of some similar myself, but you worded it very well.
But to be honest, I think he has the suits because he intends to maybe use his own weapons, even if he did think the US might use theirs. As, you say, he is that stupid.
Compare this WMD search to a DEA operation. When the contraband isn't there and the reason for going in can't be justified, what do they often do?
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...fromEmail=true
Speculations? Guesses?