I’d love to know what percentage of the people saying this nonsense actually believe it. I bet it’s a very small number, although maybe I’m underestimating people’s ability to believe something just because they wish it were true.
There is a very large group of people in the world today that want a strongman to guide them thru life with lies big and small….
Here we go again with Apple is a “monopoly” crap. If Apple was a monopoly like Standard Oil or Ma Bell then you would not have a choice would you? who sells the most phones world wide? It isn’t Apple. Who sells the most PC’s? It is t Apple who has the largest share of Office software? No it isn’t Apple.
No one is holding an effing gun to your head forcing you to be on Apple’s ecosystem. The big difference here is Apple has always charged the 30% fee and until very recently Google has started enforcing its 30% fee so now developers are angry (probably rightfully so) but at the same time it is funny to watch a lot of tech companies that did the Democrats bidding in the last Presidential election how they are now becoming the democrats favorite target because the democrats want that wealth back. Got to love Karma and her *itchyness. Loyalty is not a two way street.
Apple hasn't done anything to abuse their position, and have actually softened their stance in many areas over the years.
To be guilty of an antitrust issue you have to find something Apple has done with their market position to benefit themselves or hurt others. For example, raising App Store fees after the App Store became so successful or eliminating the ability for subscriptions to be purchased outside The App Store.
SEE, WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND. IF YOU DONT LIKE APPLE GOOGLE RULES WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT PLATFORM? ITS AS THOUGH, THEY WANT ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE APP GOOGLE PLAYSTORE, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO PAY. IF YOU DONT LIKE KETCHUP ON YOUR HOT DOG, YOU DINT HAVE TO EAT IT.
Works the same way, right?
yet, google is a bigger market. Why would you want to target a small market ?
Forced? Does anyone here feel forced? I'm aware of the options but I choose to use several of Apple products and services, as well as choose NOT to use most of the products and services they offer because they don't fit my needs.
Forced...?
...ehhh...
“Forced” only by the fact that I hate Apple and their products much less than I hate everything else that’s claimed as an alternative. There’s not much else beyond Microsoft. Google, and the user-hostile chaos of Open Source “solutions”, which aren’t appropriate for my needs, even if I didn’t find the user experience awful.
It would be nice if the computer industry wasn’t constantly competing to see who can have the worst products and services, while trying to keep people believing that “this is just how it is and has to be”. I miss the Apple I didn’t feel impotent rage toward. Those were good days. But what are ya gonna do...
SEE, WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND. IF YOU DONT LIKE APPLE GOOGLE RULES WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT PLATFORM? ITS AS THOUGH, THEY WANT ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE APP GOOGLE PLAYSTORE, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO PAY. IF YOU DONT LIKE KETCHUP ON YOUR HOT DOG, YOU DINT HAVE TO EAT IT.
Works the same way, right?
yet, google is a bigger market. Why would you want to target a small market ?
The Appstore is much larger than Google Play. There are more than a BILLION Android users who do not rely on Google Play for apps, and millions more who take advantage of having Google Play plus more than one alternate app store to choose from on their personal device. How many iOS users rely on the App Store for apps and have an option for "other"?
But that isn't pertinent anyway. This is strictly pertaining to the US and its market and HERE Apple's iOS is the dominant platform with Android playing second fiddle. So again IMHO, it's odd that the AG's would file this antitrust lawsuit against the provider to the smaller marketshare, and the less restrictive one with alternate application sources if the device owner wishes.
This guy is full of BS. Nobody is forced to use Apple's ecosystem.
Build your own ecosystem and make it free to the world. Wonder how he will pay the bills??
Exorbitant fees are irrelevant if alternative services and goods are available elsewhere.
If this is the case, the government should be focusing their efforts on the exorbitant cost of healthcare. One area should be how healthcare passes along the cost of equipment use—equipment that has been paid for, in some cases, decades ago, but the ridiculously high cost of usage is still at the premium price.
SEE, WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND. IF YOU DONT LIKE APPLE GOOGLE RULES WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT PLATFORM? ITS AS THOUGH, THEY WANT ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE APP GOOGLE PLAYSTORE, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO PAY. IF YOU DONT LIKE KETCHUP ON YOUR HOT DOG, YOU DINT HAVE TO EAT IT.
Works the same way, right?
yet, google is a bigger market. Why would you want to target a small market ?
The Appstore is much larger than Google Play. There are more than a BILLION Android users who do not rely on Google Play for apps, and millions more who take advantage of having Google Play plus more than one alternate app store to choose from on their personal device. How many iOS users rely on the App Store for apps and have an option for "other"?
But that isn't pertinent anyway. This is strictly pertaining to the US and its market and HERE Apple's iOS is the dominant platform with Android playing second fiddle. So again IMHO, it's odd that the AG's would file this antitrust lawsuit against the provider to the smaller marketshare, and the less restrictive one with alternate application sources if the device owner wishes.
Still playing dumb I see.
Android WAS less restrictive in the beginning, but has become much more restrictive in recent years. That’s classic antitrust behavior (make your product more attractive to gain market share, and after you’ve become dominant then start locking it down).
Android is the dominant mobile OS, having pretty much 100% of the market. There is no other viable OS anyone can use besides AOSP (customized for your needs) or Android with Google services. That’s it.
The actions Google is taking to lock down Android affect pretty much 100% of OEMs who make mobile phones.
SEE, WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND. IF YOU DONT LIKE APPLE GOOGLE RULES WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT PLATFORM? ITS AS THOUGH, THEY WANT ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE APP GOOGLE PLAYSTORE, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO PAY. IF YOU DONT LIKE KETCHUP ON YOUR HOT DOG, YOU DINT HAVE TO EAT IT.
Works the same way, right?
yet, google is a bigger market. Why would you want to target a small market ?
The Appstore is much larger than Google Play. There are more than a BILLION Android users who do not rely on Google Play for apps, and millions more who take advantage of having Google Play plus more than one alternate app store to choose from on their personal device. How many iOS users rely on the App Store for apps and have an option for "other"?
But that isn't pertinent anyway. This is strictly pertaining to the US and its market and HERE Apple's iOS is the dominant platform with Android playing second fiddle. So again IMHO, it's odd that the AG's would file this antitrust lawsuit against the provider to the smaller marketshare, and the less restrictive one with alternate application sources if the device owner wishes.
Still playing dumb I see.
Android WAS less restrictive in the beginning, but has become much more restrictive in recent years. That’s classic antitrust behavior (make your product more attractive to gain market share, and after you’ve become dominant then start locking it down).
Android is the dominant mobile OS, having pretty much 100% of the market.
Mirror mirror...
The dominant mobile OS in the United States is Apple's iOS and their App store. The more restrictive of the two and also tightening their grip since their AppStore was introduced is Apple and their App Store. Zero question about either one. Also, no question that the AG's aren't representing anything except their own states. The market outside of the US is of zero relevance. In the US iOS rules in every category.
Whatever reason the AG's are targeting the Play Store is, the one you're guessing at in nonsensical. Try again.
EDIT:
This seems more politically motivated than protecting consumers from paying too much for apps.
Google's argument is essentially the same as Apple's as it pertains to their respective app stores:
"In a blog post, Google dismissed the suit as "meritless," saying the changes the plaintiffs demand for its Google Play store risk "raising costs for small developers, impeding their ability to innovate and compete, and making apps across the Android ecosystem less secure for consumers."
"This lawsuit isn’t about helping the little guy or protecting consumers," the company said. "It’s about boosting a handful of major app developers who want the benefits of Google Play without paying for it."
If that makes sense for Apple, and the overwhelming opinion held here is that it does, why would it not equally apply to Google? Any comment whether Google's argument is just as valid as Apple's @ericthehalfbee ?
SEE, WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND. IF YOU DONT LIKE APPLE GOOGLE RULES WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT PLATFORM? ITS AS THOUGH, THEY WANT ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE APP GOOGLE PLAYSTORE, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO PAY. IF YOU DONT LIKE KETCHUP ON YOUR HOT DOG, YOU DINT HAVE TO EAT IT.
Works the same way, right?
yet, google is a bigger market. Why would you want to target a small market ?
The Appstore is much larger than Google Play. There are more than a BILLION Android users who do not rely on Google Play for apps, and millions more who take advantage of having Google Play plus more than one alternate app store to choose from on their personal device. How many iOS users rely on the App Store for apps and have an option for "other"?
But that isn't pertinent anyway. This is strictly pertaining to the US and its market and HERE Apple's iOS is the dominant platform with Android playing second fiddle. So again IMHO, it's odd that the AG's would file this antitrust lawsuit against the provider to the smaller marketshare, and the less restrictive one with alternate application sources if the device owner wishes.
That's just more FUD. I have no doubt that your numbers are correct but, even with all that, over 90% of the apps on the average Android device was downloaded from the Google Play Store. The number of Android users that only rely on the Google Play Store for their apps outnumbers ALL of the iOS users.
The "size" of a store can be based on square area, number of items for sale, number of items sold, number of customers, number of stores or profitability.
Apple App Store sells more and is more profitable than the Google Play Store. But the Google Play Store has more available apps, have more stores (if we count each Android device as having a store), more customers and 3X the downloads, than the Apple App Store. To claim that the Apple App Store is ....... much larger than Google Play .... is FUD.
Plus, using quarter sales figure to determine marketshare for anti-trust purpose is wrong. Those figures can swing more than 5%, either way, from quarter to quarter, depending on who's releasing the next ... must have device. All the quarterly sale marketshare is saying is that in last quarter, there were more consumers buying iOS devices than Android devices.
In order for this figure to be used as an indication of the true marketshare, every iOS users and every Android users must have purchased a new device in the quarter. Just because in the last two quarters, more iPhone users replaced their phones (with newer 5G iPhones) than Android users replacing their devices, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden, Apple gained more than 10% marketshare in the US. What they gained was over 10% of the sales in the last 2 quarters. iOS users buying new iOS devices did not increase the percent of consumers using iOS. And Android users that did not buy new devices, did not reduce the percent of consumers using Android.
A better "marker share" indicator is the number of users, in each mobile OS.
Based on users, iOS do not "dominate" in the US or UK, as many seems to think, because they are basing it on quarterly sale figures. It's going to take a Hell a lot more than just 2 quarters of 58% of sales, for iOS to be the "dominate" mobile OS in the US.
The percent of iOS vs Android users in the US is closer to 50/50, when one include tablets, (where the iPad rule), into the smartphone numbers.
SEE, WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND. IF YOU DONT LIKE APPLE GOOGLE RULES WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT PLATFORM? ITS AS THOUGH, THEY WANT ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE APP GOOGLE PLAYSTORE, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO PAY. IF YOU DONT LIKE KETCHUP ON YOUR HOT DOG, YOU DINT HAVE TO EAT IT.
Works the same way, right?
yet, google is a bigger market. Why would you want to target a small market ?
The Appstore is much larger than Google Play. There are more than a BILLION Android users who do not rely on Google Play for apps, and millions more who take advantage of having Google Play plus more than one alternate app store to choose from on their personal device. How many iOS users rely on the App Store for apps and have an option for "other"?
But that isn't pertinent anyway. This is strictly pertaining to the US and its market and HERE Apple's iOS is the dominant platform with Android playing second fiddle. So again IMHO, it's odd that the AG's would file this antitrust lawsuit against the provider to the smaller marketshare, and the less restrictive one with alternate application sources if the device owner wishes.
That's just more FUD. I have no doubt that your numbers are correct but, even with all that, over 90% of the apps on the average Android device was downloaded from the Google Play Store. The number of Android users that only rely on the Google Play Store for their apps outnumbers ALL of the iOS users.
The "size" of a store can be based on square area, number of items for sale, number of items sold, number of customers, number of stores or profitability.
Apple App Store sells more and is more profitable than the Google Play Store. But the Google Play Store has more available apps, have more stores (if we count each Android device as having a store), more customers and 3X the downloads, than the Apple App Store. To claim that the Apple App Store is ....... much larger than Google Play .... is FUD.
Plus, using quarter sales figure to determine marketshare for anti-trust purpose is wrong. Those figures can swing more than 5%, either way, from quarter to quarter, depending on who's releasing the next ... must have device. All the quarterly sale marketshare is saying is that in last quarter, there were more consumers buying iOS devices than Android devices.
In order for this figure to be used as an indication of the true marketshare, every iOS users and every Android users must have purchased a new device in the quarter. Just because in the last two quarters, more iPhone users replaced their phones (with newer 5G iPhones) than Android users replacing their devices, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden, Apple gained more than 10% marketshare in the US. What they gained was over 10% of the sales in the last 2 quarters. iOS users buying new iOS devices did not increase the percent of consumers using iOS. And Android users that did not buy new devices, did not reduce the percent of consumers using Android.
A better "marker share" indicator is the number of users, in each mobile OS.
Based on users, iOS do not "dominate" in the US or UK, as many seems to think, because they are basing it on quarterly sale figures. It's going to take a Hell a lot more than just 2 quarters of 58% of sales, for iOS to be the "dominate" mobile OS in the US.
The percent of iOS vs Android users in the US is closer to 50/50, when one include tablets, (where the iPad rule), into the iPhone numbers.
The FUD is all yours DavidW.
You make arguments that only have any validity if you include worldwide Android numbers, and you know that and do it anyway. One thing you are 100% correct about: There are a significant number of not-Google Play app sources.
In the US the OS split is not 50/50 according to the stat sources I find. it's closer to 60/40 in favor of iOS. The US market is the only relevant one in an antitrust case brought by US AG's. The world outside is not theirs to sue. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
SEE, WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND. IF YOU DONT LIKE APPLE GOOGLE RULES WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT PLATFORM? ITS AS THOUGH, THEY WANT ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE APP GOOGLE PLAYSTORE, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO PAY. IF YOU DONT LIKE KETCHUP ON YOUR HOT DOG, YOU DINT HAVE TO EAT IT.
Works the same way, right?
yet, google is a bigger market. Why would you want to target a small market ?
The Appstore is much larger than Google Play. There are more than a BILLION Android users who do not rely on Google Play for apps, and millions more who take advantage of having Google Play plus more than one alternate app store to choose from on their personal device. How many iOS users rely on the App Store for apps and have an option for "other"?
But that isn't pertinent anyway. This is strictly pertaining to the US and its market and HERE Apple's iOS is the dominant platform with Android playing second fiddle. So again IMHO, it's odd that the AG's would file this antitrust lawsuit against the provider to the smaller marketshare, and the less restrictive one with alternate application sources if the device owner wishes.
That's just more FUD. I have no doubt that your numbers are correct but, even with all that, over 90% of the apps on the average Android device was downloaded from the Google Play Store. The number of Android users that only rely on the Google Play Store for their apps outnumbers ALL of the iOS users.
The "size" of a store can be based on square area, number of items for sale, number of items sold, number of customers, number of stores or profitability.
Apple App Store sells more and is more profitable than the Google Play Store. But the Google Play Store has more available apps, have more stores (if we count each Android device as having a store), more customers and 3X the downloads, than the Apple App Store. To claim that the Apple App Store is ....... much larger than Google Play .... is FUD.
Plus, using quarter sales figure to determine marketshare for anti-trust purpose is wrong. Those figures can swing more than 5%, either way, from quarter to quarter, depending on who's releasing the next ... must have device. All the quarterly sale marketshare is saying is that in last quarter, there were more consumers buying iOS devices than Android devices.
In order for this figure to be used as an indication of the true marketshare, every iOS users and every Android users must have purchased a new device in the quarter. Just because in the last two quarters, more iPhone users replaced their phones (with newer 5G iPhones) than Android users replacing their devices, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden, Apple gained more than 10% marketshare in the US. What they gained was over 10% of the sales in the last 2 quarters. iOS users buying new iOS devices did not increase the percent of consumers using iOS. And Android users that did not buy new devices, did not reduce the percent of consumers using Android.
A better "marker share" indicator is the number of users, in each mobile OS.
Based on users, iOS do not "dominate" in the US or UK, as many seems to think, because they are basing it on quarterly sale figures. It's going to take a Hell a lot more than just 2 quarters of 58% of sales, for iOS to be the "dominate" mobile OS in the US.
The percent of iOS vs Android users in the US is closer to 50/50, when one include tablets, (where the iPad rule), into the iPhone numbers.
The FUD is all yours DavidW.
You make arguments that only have any validity if you include worldwide Android numbers, and you know that. and do it anyway.
Read my link. Those numbers only apply to the US and the UK. Those are not Worldwide numbers. Those numbers are based on "users" in the US, not latest quarterly sales numbers.
I bet you can not provide me a link that shows iOS as the "dominate" mobile OS in the US, that do not rely on the latest quarterly sale numbers. Nearly everyone of them will be using the latest quarterly sales numbers. If in the next quarter iPhones sales drop to 52% and Android increases to 47%, would the true market share of iOS vs Android had really change by that much? In 3 months?
Look at this chart. Is the US smartphone quarterly sales. From Q3 2020 to Q4 2020, iPhones sales went from 40% of US sales to 65% of sales. Do you really believe that Apple iOS true market share in the US gained 15% in 3 months? If so, how many bridges have you bought? This is why quarterly sales numbers are not a true indication of the true market share.
This is like back in the days of PC vs Mac and Macs market share was in the mid single digit (before Jobs returned), based on quarterly sales number. But is was easily shown that Mac user base was closer to 15%-18% of the World's computers. Consumers don't replace their Macs as often as PC users, so their quarterly sales numbers were not a true indication of what percent of consumers were using Macs.
SEE, WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND. IF YOU DONT LIKE APPLE GOOGLE RULES WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT PLATFORM? ITS AS THOUGH, THEY WANT ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE APP GOOGLE PLAYSTORE, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO PAY. IF YOU DONT LIKE KETCHUP ON YOUR HOT DOG, YOU DINT HAVE TO EAT IT.
Works the same way, right?
yet, google is a bigger market. Why would you want to target a small market ?
The Appstore is much larger than Google Play. There are more than a BILLION Android users who do not rely on Google Play for apps, and millions more who take advantage of having Google Play plus more than one alternate app store to choose from on their personal device. How many iOS users rely on the App Store for apps and have an option for "other"?
But that isn't pertinent anyway. This is strictly pertaining to the US and its market and HERE Apple's iOS is the dominant platform with Android playing second fiddle. So again IMHO, it's odd that the AG's would file this antitrust lawsuit against the provider to the smaller marketshare, and the less restrictive one with alternate application sources if the device owner wishes.
That's just more FUD. I have no doubt that your numbers are correct but, even with all that, over 90% of the apps on the average Android device was downloaded from the Google Play Store. The number of Android users that only rely on the Google Play Store for their apps outnumbers ALL of the iOS users.
The "size" of a store can be based on square area, number of items for sale, number of items sold, number of customers, number of stores or profitability.
Apple App Store sells more and is more profitable than the Google Play Store. But the Google Play Store has more available apps, have more stores (if we count each Android device as having a store), more customers and 3X the downloads, than the Apple App Store. To claim that the Apple App Store is ....... much larger than Google Play .... is FUD.
Plus, using quarter sales figure to determine marketshare for anti-trust purpose is wrong. Those figures can swing more than 5%, either way, from quarter to quarter, depending on who's releasing the next ... must have device. All the quarterly sale marketshare is saying is that in last quarter, there were more consumers buying iOS devices than Android devices.
In order for this figure to be used as an indication of the true marketshare, every iOS users and every Android users must have purchased a new device in the quarter. Just because in the last two quarters, more iPhone users replaced their phones (with newer 5G iPhones) than Android users replacing their devices, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden, Apple gained more than 10% marketshare in the US. What they gained was over 10% of the sales in the last 2 quarters. iOS users buying new iOS devices did not increase the percent of consumers using iOS. And Android users that did not buy new devices, did not reduce the percent of consumers using Android.
A better "marker share" indicator is the number of users, in each mobile OS.
Based on users, iOS do not "dominate" in the US or UK, as many seems to think, because they are basing it on quarterly sale figures. It's going to take a Hell a lot more than just 2 quarters of 58% of sales, for iOS to be the "dominate" mobile OS in the US.
The percent of iOS vs Android users in the US is closer to 50/50, when one include tablets, (where the iPad rule), into the iPhone numbers.
The FUD is all yours DavidW.
You make arguments that only have any validity if you include worldwide Android numbers, and you know that. and do it anyway.
Read my link. Those numbers only apply to the US and the UK. Those are not Worldwide numbers. Those numbers are based on "users" in the US, not latest quarterly sales numbers.
SEE, WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND. IF YOU DONT LIKE APPLE GOOGLE RULES WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT PLATFORM? ITS AS THOUGH, THEY WANT ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE APP GOOGLE PLAYSTORE, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO PAY. IF YOU DONT LIKE KETCHUP ON YOUR HOT DOG, YOU DINT HAVE TO EAT IT.
Works the same way, right?
yet, google is a bigger market. Why would you want to target a small market ?
The Appstore is much larger than Google Play. There are more than a BILLION Android users who do not rely on Google Play for apps, and millions more who take advantage of having Google Play plus more than one alternate app store to choose from on their personal device. How many iOS users rely on the App Store for apps and have an option for "other"?
But that isn't pertinent anyway. This is strictly pertaining to the US and its market and HERE Apple's iOS is the dominant platform with Android playing second fiddle. So again IMHO, it's odd that the AG's would file this antitrust lawsuit against the provider to the smaller marketshare, and the less restrictive one with alternate application sources if the device owner wishes.
That's just more FUD. I have no doubt that your numbers are correct but, even with all that, over 90% of the apps on the average Android device was downloaded from the Google Play Store. The number of Android users that only rely on the Google Play Store for their apps outnumbers ALL of the iOS users.
The "size" of a store can be based on square area, number of items for sale, number of items sold, number of customers, number of stores or profitability.
Apple App Store sells more and is more profitable than the Google Play Store. But the Google Play Store has more available apps, have more stores (if we count each Android device as having a store), more customers and 3X the downloads, than the Apple App Store. To claim that the Apple App Store is ....... much larger than Google Play .... is FUD.
Plus, using quarter sales figure to determine marketshare for anti-trust purpose is wrong. Those figures can swing more than 5%, either way, from quarter to quarter, depending on who's releasing the next ... must have device. All the quarterly sale marketshare is saying is that in last quarter, there were more consumers buying iOS devices than Android devices.
In order for this figure to be used as an indication of the true marketshare, every iOS users and every Android users must have purchased a new device in the quarter. Just because in the last two quarters, more iPhone users replaced their phones (with newer 5G iPhones) than Android users replacing their devices, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden, Apple gained more than 10% marketshare in the US. What they gained was over 10% of the sales in the last 2 quarters. iOS users buying new iOS devices did not increase the percent of consumers using iOS. And Android users that did not buy new devices, did not reduce the percent of consumers using Android.
A better "marker share" indicator is the number of users, in each mobile OS.
Based on users, iOS do not "dominate" in the US or UK, as many seems to think, because they are basing it on quarterly sale figures. It's going to take a Hell a lot more than just 2 quarters of 58% of sales, for iOS to be the "dominate" mobile OS in the US.
The percent of iOS vs Android users in the US is closer to 50/50, when one include tablets, (where the iPad rule), into the iPhone numbers.
The FUD is all yours DavidW.
You make arguments that only have any validity if you include worldwide Android numbers, and you know that. and do it anyway.
Read my link. Those numbers only apply to the US and the UK. Those are not Worldwide numbers. Those numbers are based on "users" in the US, not latest quarterly sales numbers.
By the way, what matter is the UK stats to a US antitrust case brought by the states? You seem to think it's relevant.
Just because the link I provided has both US and UK stats, it doesn't mean that I thought the UK stat were relevant to to this. What? Are you going to say that the US stats in the link are not relevant because they also cited UK stats?
There are more 113M iPhones users and that accounts for 47% all smartphone users in 2021. Add in iPads and you'll get about 50% to 52% of users on iOS.
Oh, BTW, the numbers in your link were derided from from the mobile OSes that were used to access web pages that they were tracking. In other words, close to 60% of the people that access their web sites (in the US) were using iOS. Though there is probably a correlation, it's not going to be 1 to 1. The only sure thing these numbers indicate, is that there were more iOS users viewing their web pages, than Android users. That is not how the AG will be determining the market share of iOS users, in the US.
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SEE, WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND. IF YOU DONT LIKE APPLE GOOGLE RULES WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT PLATFORM? ITS AS THOUGH, THEY WANT ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE APP GOOGLE PLAYSTORE, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO PAY. IF YOU DONT LIKE KETCHUP ON YOUR HOT DOG, YOU DINT HAVE TO EAT IT.
Works the same way, right?
yet, google is a bigger market. Why would you want to target a small market ?
The Appstore is much larger than Google Play. There are more than a BILLION Android users who do not rely on Google Play for apps, and millions more who take advantage of having Google Play plus more than one alternate app store to choose from on their personal device. How many iOS users rely on the App Store for apps and have an option for "other"?
But that isn't pertinent anyway. This is strictly pertaining to the US and its market and HERE Apple's iOS is the dominant platform with Android playing second fiddle. So again IMHO, it's odd that the AG's would file this antitrust lawsuit against the provider to the smaller marketshare, and the less restrictive one with alternate application sources if the device owner wishes.
Still playing dumb I see.
Android WAS less restrictive in the beginning, but has become much more restrictive in recent years. That’s classic antitrust behavior (make your product more attractive to gain market share, and after you’ve become dominant then start locking it down).
Android is the dominant mobile OS, having pretty much 100% of the market.
Mirror mirror...
The dominant mobile OS in the United States is Apple's iOS and their App store. The more restrictive of the two and also tightening their grip since their AppStore was introduced is Apple and their App Store. Zero question about either one. Also, no question that the AG's aren't representing anything except their own states. The market outside of the US is of zero relevance. In the US iOS rules in every category.
Whatever reason the AG's are targeting the Play Store is, the one you're guessing at in nonsensical. Try again.
EDIT:
This seems more politically motivated than protecting consumers from paying too much for apps.
Google's argument is essentially the same as Apple's as it pertains to their respective app stores:
"In a blog post, Google dismissed the suit as "meritless," saying the changes the plaintiffs demand for its Google Play store risk "raising costs for small developers, impeding their ability to innovate and compete, and making apps across the Android ecosystem less secure for consumers."
"This lawsuit isn’t about helping the little guy or protecting consumers," the company said. "It’s about boosting a handful of major app developers who want the benefits of Google Play without paying for it."
If that makes sense for Apple, and the overwhelming opinion held here is that it does, why would it not equally apply to Google? Any comment whether Google's argument is just as valid as Apple's @ericthehalfbee ?
SEE, WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND. IF YOU DONT LIKE APPLE GOOGLE RULES WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THAT PLATFORM? ITS AS THOUGH, THEY WANT ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE APP GOOGLE PLAYSTORE, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO PAY. IF YOU DONT LIKE KETCHUP ON YOUR HOT DOG, YOU DINT HAVE TO EAT IT.
Works the same way, right?
yet, google is a bigger market. Why would you want to target a small market ?
The Appstore is much larger than Google Play. There are more than a BILLION Android users who do not rely on Google Play for apps, and millions more who take advantage of having Google Play plus more than one alternate app store to choose from on their personal device. How many iOS users rely on the App Store for apps and have an option for "other"?
But that isn't pertinent anyway. This is strictly pertaining to the US and its market and HERE Apple's iOS is the dominant platform with Android playing second fiddle. So again IMHO, it's odd that the AG's would file this antitrust lawsuit against the provider to the smaller marketshare, and the less restrictive one with alternate application sources if the device owner wishes.
Still playing dumb I see.
Android WAS less restrictive in the beginning, but has become much more restrictive in recent years. That’s classic antitrust behavior (make your product more attractive to gain market share, and after you’ve become dominant then start locking it down).
Android is the dominant mobile OS, having pretty much 100% of the market.
Mirror mirror...
The dominant mobile OS in the United States is Apple's iOS and their App store. The more restrictive of the two and also tightening their grip since their AppStore was introduced is Apple and their App Store. Zero question about either one. Also, no question that the AG's aren't representing anything except their own states. The market outside of the US is of zero relevance. In the US iOS rules in every category.
Whatever reason the AG's are targeting the Play Store is, the one you're guessing at in nonsensical. Try again.
EDIT:
This seems more politically motivated than protecting consumers from paying too much for apps.
Google's argument is essentially the same as Apple's as it pertains to their respective app stores:
"In a blog post, Google dismissed the suit as "meritless," saying the changes the plaintiffs demand for its Google Play store risk "raising costs for small developers, impeding their ability to innovate and compete, and making apps across the Android ecosystem less secure for consumers."
"This lawsuit isn’t about helping the little guy or protecting consumers," the company said. "It’s about boosting a handful of major app developers who want the benefits of Google Play without paying for it."
If that makes sense for Apple, and the overwhelming opinion held here is that it does, why would it not equally apply to Google? Any comment whether Google's argument is just as valid as Apple's @ericthehalfbee ?
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who sells the most phones world wide? It isn’t Apple. Who sells the most PC’s? It is t Apple
who has the largest share of Office software? No it isn’t Apple.
Apple hasn't done anything to abuse their position, and have actually softened their stance in many areas over the years.
To be guilty of an antitrust issue you have to find something Apple has done with their market position to benefit themselves or hurt others. For example, raising App Store fees after the App Store became so successful or eliminating the ability for subscriptions to be purchased outside The App Store.
Simply being large and successful isn’t enough.
[rolls eyes all the way across floor]
...ehhh...
“Forced” only by the fact that I hate Apple and their products much less than I hate everything else that’s claimed as an alternative. There’s not much else beyond Microsoft. Google, and the user-hostile chaos of Open Source “solutions”, which aren’t appropriate for my needs, even if I didn’t find the user experience awful.
It would be nice if the computer industry wasn’t constantly competing to see who can have the worst products and services, while trying to keep people believing that “this is just how it is and has to be”. I miss the Apple I didn’t feel impotent rage toward. Those were good days. But what are ya gonna do...
But that isn't pertinent anyway. This is strictly pertaining to the US and its market and HERE Apple's iOS is the dominant platform with Android playing second fiddle. So again IMHO, it's odd that the AG's would file this antitrust lawsuit against the provider to the smaller marketshare, and the less restrictive one with alternate application sources if the device owner wishes.
Android WAS less restrictive in the beginning, but has become much more restrictive in recent years. That’s classic antitrust behavior (make your product more attractive to gain market share, and after you’ve become dominant then start locking it down).
Android is the dominant mobile OS, having pretty much 100% of the market. There is no other viable OS anyone can use besides AOSP (customized for your needs) or Android with Google services. That’s it.
phones.
The dominant mobile OS in the United States is Apple's iOS and their App store. The more restrictive of the two and also tightening their grip since their AppStore was introduced is Apple and their App Store. Zero question about either one. Also, no question that the AG's aren't representing anything except their own states. The market outside of the US is of zero relevance. In the US iOS rules in every category.
Whatever reason the AG's are targeting the Play Store is, the one you're guessing at in nonsensical. Try again.
EDIT:
Google's argument is essentially the same as Apple's as it pertains to their respective app stores:
"In a blog post, Google dismissed the suit as "meritless," saying the changes the plaintiffs demand for its Google Play store risk "raising costs for small developers, impeding their ability to innovate and compete, and making apps across the Android ecosystem less secure for consumers."
"This lawsuit isn’t about helping the little guy or protecting consumers," the company said. "It’s about boosting a handful of major app developers who want the benefits of Google Play without paying for it."
If that makes sense for Apple, and the overwhelming opinion held here is that it does, why would it not equally apply to Google? Any comment whether Google's argument is just as valid as Apple's @ericthehalfbee ?
The "size" of a store can be based on square area, number of items for sale, number of items sold, number of customers, number of stores or profitability.
Apple App Store sells more and is more profitable than the Google Play Store. But the Google Play Store has more available apps, have more stores (if we count each Android device as having a store), more customers and 3X the downloads, than the Apple App Store. To claim that the Apple App Store is ....... much larger than Google Play .... is FUD.
https://42matters.com/stats
https://www.statista.com/statistics/276623/number-of-apps-available-in-leading-app-stores/
https://game-insider.com/2020/10/14/google-play-hit-28-3-billion-downloads-in-q3-2020-3x-more-than-app-store/
Plus, using quarter sales figure to determine marketshare for anti-trust purpose is wrong. Those figures can swing more than 5%, either way, from quarter to quarter, depending on who's releasing the next ... must have device. All the quarterly sale marketshare is saying is that in last quarter, there were more consumers buying iOS devices than Android devices.
In order for this figure to be used as an indication of the true marketshare, every iOS users and every Android users must have purchased a new device in the quarter. Just because in the last two quarters, more iPhone users replaced their phones (with newer 5G iPhones) than Android users replacing their devices, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden, Apple gained more than 10% marketshare in the US. What they gained was over 10% of the sales in the last 2 quarters. iOS users buying new iOS devices did not increase the percent of consumers using iOS. And Android users that did not buy new devices, did not reduce the percent of consumers using Android.
A better "marker share" indicator is the number of users, in each mobile OS.
https://www.emarketer.com/content/iphones-gaining-us-market-share-losing-uk ;
Based on users, iOS do not "dominate" in the US or UK, as many seems to think, because they are basing it on quarterly sale figures. It's going to take a Hell a lot more than just 2 quarters of 58% of sales, for iOS to be the "dominate" mobile OS in the US.
The percent of iOS vs Android users in the US is closer to 50/50, when one include tablets, (where the iPad rule), into the smartphone numbers.
You make arguments that only have any validity if you include worldwide Android numbers, and you know that and do it anyway. One thing you are 100% correct about: There are a significant number of not-Google Play app sources.
In the US the OS split is not 50/50 according to the stat sources I find. it's closer to 60/40 in favor of iOS. The US market is the only relevant one in an antitrust case brought by US AG's. The world outside is not theirs to sue.
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
https://www.emarketer.com/content/iphones-gaining-us-market-share-losing-uk
I bet you can not provide me a link that shows iOS as the "dominate" mobile OS in the US, that do not rely on the latest quarterly sale numbers. Nearly everyone of them will be using the latest quarterly sales numbers. If in the next quarter iPhones sales drop to 52% and Android increases to 47%, would the true market share of iOS vs Android had really change by that much? In 3 months?
Look at this chart. Is the US smartphone quarterly sales. From Q3 2020 to Q4 2020, iPhones sales went from 40% of US sales to 65% of sales. Do you really believe that Apple iOS true market share in the US gained 15% in 3 months? If so, how many bridges have you bought? This is why quarterly sales numbers are not a true indication of the true market share.
https://www.counterpointresearch.com/us-market-smartphone-share/
This is like back in the days of PC vs Mac and Macs market share was in the mid single digit (before Jobs returned), based on quarterly sales number. But is was easily shown that Mac user base was closer to 15%-18% of the World's computers. Consumers don't replace their Macs as often as PC users, so their quarterly sales numbers were not a true indication of what percent of consumers were using Macs.
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
You're welcome.
By the way, what matter is the UK stats to a US antitrust case brought by the states? You seem to think it's relevant.
Try this ...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/236550/percentage-of-us-population-that-own-a-iphone-smartphone/
There are more 113M iPhones users and that accounts for 47% all smartphone users in 2021. Add in iPads and you'll get about 50% to 52% of users on iOS.
Oh, BTW, the numbers in your link were derided from from the mobile OSes that were used to access web pages that they were tracking. In other words, close to 60% of the people that access their web sites (in the US) were using iOS. Though there is probably a correlation, it's not going to be 1 to 1. The only sure thing these numbers indicate, is that there were more iOS users viewing their web pages, than Android users. That is not how the AG will be determining the market share of iOS users, in the US.
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