Want to see a war than nobody wanted apart from an unelected president and the Prime Minister of a country prepared to ignore the wishes of his people?
i think it's sad regardless of whether the bombing resulted from our error or iraqi treachery. that being said, i don't think it is very significant in the big scheme of things. it's war. bullets are flying, bombs are dropping, and missiles are exploding. civilians are going to die. i think it's pretty amazing that for the amount of activity that's going on in and around bagdad that more casualties haven't been reported. also, you have take everything that iraq is reporting with a grain of salt the size of a dumptruck. these guys don't have the best track record in that regard. be thankfull that our military goes to the extreme lengths that it does in order to protect the innocent. the same can not be said for the opposition.
But you're not a British soldier are you? Still seems like you would use third person then.
Us to me implies an association or grouping with the British soliders. I suppose that you could be identifying with them on the basis of your common nationality but I thought that you had rejected the notion that this action was being carried it in the British people's name and rather asserting that this was strictly the Blair govt. Anyway, what percolates your coffeemaker.
Shit, I knew I shouldn't express my thoughts on all this. I'm too much "sitting on the fence" about it all.
But I will say one more time, as many before...war = death. I don't like death. I don't like evil either. I'd wish that the 21st century had a better start, but the abuse of the powers that be (political and corporate) in the past 40 years haven't helped.
Uh yeah, they have (though not with chemical agents...yet). Where's your proof they haven't? What the **** were the Patriot missiles shooting down?
Not SCUDS...
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Why did the Iraqi's have 3,000 chemical suits and andidote syringes to nerve agents in a hospital?
Maybe for the same reasons as the rest of us, to protect them from possible chemical attacks. There neighbours, Iran, are known to have and use chemical weapons as well.
Maybe for the same reasons as the rest of us, to protect them from possible chemical attacks. There neighbours, Iran, are known to have and use chemical weapons as well.
Maybe. But their war is with us. Not with anyone else. First paragraph:
"NASIRIYA, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. Marines on Tuesday seized a hospital in Nasiriya and captured nearly 170 Iraqi soldiers who had been staging military operations from the facility, U.S. authorities said. "
Maybe. But their war is with us. Not with anyone else. First paragraph:
"NASIRIYA, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. Marines on Tuesday seized a hospital in Nasiriya and captured nearly 170 Iraqi soldiers who had been staging military operations from the facility, U.S. authorities said. "
That ain't no hospital.
I never said they wern't bastards. But I also belive much of what that lady says to be pure propaganda.
A sidenote: I re-read some history on how the norwegian resistance fought the nazis. What strikes me is how those guys didn't give a shit about how many civilians were killed as long as they reached their goal.
These are our national heros. They once blew up a ferry full of civilians to stop the nazis from getting heavy-water for their a-bomb project. In the end. It was all acceptable because they were defending our fatherland.
Iraqi officials said U.S. munitions killed 15 Iraqi civilians at a popular market in Baghdad on Wednesday.
Following the report from the Iraqi Information Ministry, photographers from international news agencies confirmed seeing an undetermined number of dead and injured people, apparently civilians, and burned vehicles in the capital city.
No further information was available.
Iraq has reported 78 civilian deaths since Monday as a result of bombing raids. CNN cannot independently verify Iraq's figures.
I wouldn't consider "Iraqi officials" to be a credible source for any news. And with their military fighting in civilian clothes, who is to say that those dead aren't members of the army or republican guard?
I wouldn't consider "Iraqi officials" to be a credible source for any news. And with their military fighting in civilian clothes, who is to say that those dead aren't members of the army or republican guard?
Wouldn´t it be quite a coinciedent if all the killed on the marked was fanatic members of Saddams loyal force shopping for the wife on the way home from a hard day at the war?
McChrystal said coalition forces did not target any sites in the area of the marketplace. He said the damage could have been caused by a surface-to-air missile fired by the Iraqis or by fallout from Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery
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"Iraqi civilians (are) being marched out in front of irregular formations while they are firing," he said.
"Iraqi civilians are being killed on the battlefield by Iraqis. I can't make that point more strongly than I've just done."
He added: "We can't say that those are our bombs. We've seen people wearing civilian clothes strapped with bombs. We've seen a number of things that shows what meets the eye is not always true."
sorry, but i'd rather wait and see what really happened before making a snap decision.
with as well as the US forces have been doing not hitting civillians, i wouldn't think that this was a US bomb automatically.
I think it may be based on the fact that Saddam's guys have been firing on civilians and the fact that the US says it was no where near that market when it was bombed.
Comments
Please.
Somebody.
Thought so.
Originally posted by drewprops
Show me a war that everybody wanted to happen.
Please.
Somebody.
Thought so.
Want to see a war than nobody wanted apart from an unelected president and the Prime Minister of a country prepared to ignore the wishes of his people?
This one.
They don't dig us. They don't dig Saddam, but they don't dig us either.
Why "us" rather than the third person?
Originally posted by ColanderOfDeath
Why "us" rather than the third person?
Meaning British troops.
Us to me implies an association or grouping with the British soliders. I suppose that you could be identifying with them on the basis of your common nationality but I thought that you had rejected the notion that this action was being carried it in the British people's name and rather asserting that this was strictly the Blair govt. Anyway, what percolates your coffeemaker.
Originally posted by tonton
Saddam launched SCUDs? Really!? That's HUGE news.
Either that, or you're still spreading a lie that was disproved five days ago.
Uh yeah, they have (though not with chemical agents...yet). Where's your proof they haven't? What the **** were the Patriot missiles shooting down?
Link...
Why did the Iraqi's have 3,000 chemical suits and andidote syringes to nerve agents in a hospital?
Link...
Shit, I knew I shouldn't express my thoughts on all this. I'm too much "sitting on the fence" about it all.
But I will say one more time, as many before...war = death. I don't like death. I don't like evil either. I'd wish that the 21st century had a better start, but the abuse of the powers that be (political and corporate) in the past 40 years haven't helped.
Reap what you sow...
Originally posted by Artman @_@
Uh yeah, they have (though not with chemical agents...yet). Where's your proof they haven't? What the **** were the Patriot missiles shooting down?
Not SCUDS...
Maybe for the same reasons as the rest of us, to protect them from possible chemical attacks. There neighbours, Iran, are known to have and use chemical weapons as well.
I might be stupid, but I'm not a moron.
Originally posted by New
Not SCUDS...
Maybe for the same reasons as the rest of us, to protect them from possible chemical attacks. There neighbours, Iran, are known to have and use chemical weapons as well.
Maybe. But their war is with us. Not with anyone else. First paragraph:
"NASIRIYA, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. Marines on Tuesday seized a hospital in Nasiriya and captured nearly 170 Iraqi soldiers who had been staging military operations from the facility, U.S. authorities said. "
That ain't no hospital.
Originally posted by Artman @_@
Maybe. But their war is with us. Not with anyone else. First paragraph:
"NASIRIYA, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. Marines on Tuesday seized a hospital in Nasiriya and captured nearly 170 Iraqi soldiers who had been staging military operations from the facility, U.S. authorities said. "
That ain't no hospital.
I never said they wern't bastards. But I also belive much of what that lady says to be pure propaganda.
A sidenote: I re-read some history on how the norwegian resistance fought the nazis. What strikes me is how those guys didn't give a shit about how many civilians were killed as long as they reached their goal.
These are our national heros. They once blew up a ferry full of civilians to stop the nazis from getting heavy-water for their a-bomb project. In the end. It was all acceptable because they were defending our fatherland.
Originally posted by Eugene
Iraqi officials said U.S. munitions killed 15 Iraqi civilians at a popular market in Baghdad on Wednesday.
Following the report from the Iraqi Information Ministry, photographers from international news agencies confirmed seeing an undetermined number of dead and injured people, apparently civilians, and burned vehicles in the capital city.
No further information was available.
Iraq has reported 78 civilian deaths since Monday as a result of bombing raids. CNN cannot independently verify Iraq's figures.
I wouldn't consider "Iraqi officials" to be a credible source for any news. And with their military fighting in civilian clothes, who is to say that those dead aren't members of the army or republican guard?
Originally posted by DanMacMan
I wouldn't consider "Iraqi officials" to be a credible source for any news. And with their military fighting in civilian clothes, who is to say that those dead aren't members of the army or republican guard?
Wouldn´t it be quite a coinciedent if all the killed on the marked was fanatic members of Saddams loyal force shopping for the wife on the way home from a hard day at the war?
McChrystal said coalition forces did not target any sites in the area of the marketplace. He said the damage could have been caused by a surface-to-air missile fired by the Iraqis or by fallout from Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery
"Iraqi civilians (are) being marched out in front of irregular formations while they are firing," he said.
"Iraqi civilians are being killed on the battlefield by Iraqis. I can't make that point more strongly than I've just done."
He added: "We can't say that those are our bombs. We've seen people wearing civilian clothes strapped with bombs. We've seen a number of things that shows what meets the eye is not always true."
sorry, but i'd rather wait and see what really happened before making a snap decision.
with as well as the US forces have been doing not hitting civillians, i wouldn't think that this was a US bomb automatically.
Unfortunately this we did do.