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  • Reply 21 of 48
    The Iraq Body Count Database has been tracking civilian deaths in Iraq since military actions began. The figure is now somewhere between 227 and 307.
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  • Reply 22 of 48
    drewpropsdrewprops Posts: 2,321member
    Show me a war that everybody wanted to happen.



    Please.



    Somebody.



    Thought so.
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  • Reply 23 of 48
    Quote:

    Originally posted by drewprops

    Show me a war that everybody wanted to happen.



    Please.



    Somebody.



    Thought so.




    Want to see a war than nobody wanted apart from an unelected president and the Prime Minister of a country prepared to ignore the wishes of his people?



    This one.
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  • Reply 24 of 48
    i think it's sad regardless of whether the bombing resulted from our error or iraqi treachery. that being said, i don't think it is very significant in the big scheme of things. it's war. bullets are flying, bombs are dropping, and missiles are exploding. civilians are going to die. i think it's pretty amazing that for the amount of activity that's going on in and around bagdad that more casualties haven't been reported. also, you have take everything that iraq is reporting with a grain of salt the size of a dumptruck. these guys don't have the best track record in that regard. be thankfull that our military goes to the extreme lengths that it does in order to protect the innocent. the same can not be said for the opposition.
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  • Reply 25 of 48
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    They don't dig us. They don't dig Saddam, but they don't dig us either.



    Why "us" rather than the third person?
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  • Reply 26 of 48
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ColanderOfDeath

    Why "us" rather than the third person?



    Meaning British troops.
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  • Reply 27 of 48
    But you're not a British soldier are you? Still seems like you would use third person then.



    Us to me implies an association or grouping with the British soliders. I suppose that you could be identifying with them on the basis of your common nationality but I thought that you had rejected the notion that this action was being carried it in the British people's name and rather asserting that this was strictly the Blair govt. Anyway, what percolates your coffeemaker.
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  • Reply 28 of 48
    artman @_@artman @_@ Posts: 2,546member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by tonton

    Saddam launched SCUDs? Really!? That's HUGE news.



    Either that, or you're still spreading a lie that was disproved five days ago.








    Uh yeah, they have (though not with chemical agents...yet). Where's your proof they haven't? What the **** were the Patriot missiles shooting down?



    Link...



    Why did the Iraqi's have 3,000 chemical suits and andidote syringes to nerve agents in a hospital?



    Link...



    Shit, I knew I shouldn't express my thoughts on all this. I'm too much "sitting on the fence" about it all.



    But I will say one more time, as many before...war = death. I don't like death. I don't like evil either. I'd wish that the 21st century had a better start, but the abuse of the powers that be (political and corporate) in the past 40 years haven't helped.



    Reap what you sow...
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  • Reply 29 of 48
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Artman @_@





    Uh yeah, they have (though not with chemical agents...yet). Where's your proof they haven't? What the **** were the Patriot missiles shooting down?




    Not SCUDS...



    Quote:

    Why did the Iraqi's have 3,000 chemical suits and andidote syringes to nerve agents in a hospital?



    Maybe for the same reasons as the rest of us, to protect them from possible chemical attacks. There neighbours, Iran, are known to have and use chemical weapons as well.
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  • Reply 30 of 48
    artman @_@artman @_@ Posts: 2,546member
    ...Ok. Not SCUDS. But missiles. You know, the kinds that can kill people. Ok. I see the difference.







    I might be stupid, but I'm not a moron.



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  • Reply 31 of 48
    artman @_@artman @_@ Posts: 2,546member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by New

    Not SCUDS...

    Maybe for the same reasons as the rest of us, to protect them from possible chemical attacks. There neighbours, Iran, are known to have and use chemical weapons as well.




    Maybe. But their war is with us. Not with anyone else. First paragraph:



    "NASIRIYA, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. Marines on Tuesday seized a hospital in Nasiriya and captured nearly 170 Iraqi soldiers who had been staging military operations from the facility, U.S. authorities said. "



    That ain't no hospital.
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  • Reply 32 of 48
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Artman @_@

    Maybe. But their war is with us. Not with anyone else. First paragraph:



    "NASIRIYA, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. Marines on Tuesday seized a hospital in Nasiriya and captured nearly 170 Iraqi soldiers who had been staging military operations from the facility, U.S. authorities said. "



    That ain't no hospital.




    I never said they wern't bastards. But I also belive much of what that lady says to be pure propaganda.



    A sidenote: I re-read some history on how the norwegian resistance fought the nazis. What strikes me is how those guys didn't give a shit about how many civilians were killed as long as they reached their goal.

    These are our national heros. They once blew up a ferry full of civilians to stop the nazis from getting heavy-water for their a-bomb project. In the end. It was all acceptable because they were defending our fatherland.
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  • Reply 33 of 48
    danmacmandanmacman Posts: 773member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Eugene

    Iraqi officials said U.S. munitions killed 15 Iraqi civilians at a popular market in Baghdad on Wednesday.



    Following the report from the Iraqi Information Ministry, photographers from international news agencies confirmed seeing an undetermined number of dead and injured people, apparently civilians, and burned vehicles in the capital city.



    No further information was available.



    Iraq has reported 78 civilian deaths since Monday as a result of bombing raids. CNN cannot independently verify Iraq's figures.




    I wouldn't consider "Iraqi officials" to be a credible source for any news. And with their military fighting in civilian clothes, who is to say that those dead aren't members of the army or republican guard?
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  • Reply 34 of 48
    Quote:

    Originally posted by DanMacMan

    I wouldn't consider "Iraqi officials" to be a credible source for any news. And with their military fighting in civilian clothes, who is to say that those dead aren't members of the army or republican guard?



    Wouldn´t it be quite a coinciedent if all the killed on the marked was fanatic members of Saddams loyal force shopping for the wife on the way home from a hard day at the war?
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  • Reply 35 of 48
    alcimedesalcimedes Posts: 5,486member
    Quote:

    McChrystal said coalition forces did not target any sites in the area of the marketplace. He said the damage could have been caused by a surface-to-air missile fired by the Iraqis or by fallout from Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery



    Quote:

    "Iraqi civilians (are) being marched out in front of irregular formations while they are firing," he said.



    "Iraqi civilians are being killed on the battlefield by Iraqis. I can't make that point more strongly than I've just done."



    He added: "We can't say that those are our bombs. We've seen people wearing civilian clothes strapped with bombs. We've seen a number of things that shows what meets the eye is not always true."



    sorry, but i'd rather wait and see what really happened before making a snap decision.



    with as well as the US forces have been doing not hitting civillians, i wouldn't think that this was a US bomb automatically.
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  • Reply 36 of 48
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    I think it may be based on the fact that Saddam's guys have been firing on civilians and the fact that the US says it was no where near that market when it was bombed.





    Unfortunately this we did do.
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  • Reply 37 of 48
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    I hear their sending in Caruso from the Miami office to get to the bottom of this, tonton.
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  • Reply 38 of 48
    alcimedesalcimedes Posts: 5,486member
    i think it's the fact that Iraqi soldiers are pushing women and children out in front of them. they don't seem to mind killing civilians.
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  • Reply 39 of 48
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    I like how tonton assumes we're the ones who are lying.
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