Police, GreyShift struggle to keep iPhone unlocking tool purchases secret

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  • Reply 21 of 27
    gatorguy said:
    nizzard said:
    The hottest corners of Hell should be reserved for the people that make these device and those that keep them secret.
    OMG!! You haven't a clue. 

    The hottest corners of Hell should be reserved for the people who kill and maim and hide behind "privacy" as they are doing with my son who was killed 6 days ago by one of them, and not by accident. Check your priorities.

    That's all I'll say about it. 
    gatorguy - so sorry about your loss. I have an 11 year-old girl and an overactive imagination, and my days are constantly interrupted with darkness and worry without anything actually happening. Even with that, I can't even come close to knowing what you're going through, and neither can 'nizzard'. Our priorities are influenced by our experiences. It's safe to assume that 'nizzard' has led a pretty different life than yours, especially with what you're going through now.  As much as this dust can ever settle, I don't think it's wrong to want transparency between a  government and its constituents. It's also not wrong to want the swiftest and most complete justice aimed at those who commit the most heinous of crimes. Ultimately, I think wanting some daylight and transparency in this matter was all that was being said, just in a potentially hyperbolic and simplistic way. It's obvious that his statement made things infinitely worse when held up to the horrible tragedy that you are in the middle of. Again, I'm very sorry for your loss.
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    watto_cobrajony0
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  • Reply 22 of 27
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    Sezwhut said:
    gatorguy said:
    nizzard said:
    The hottest corners of Hell should be reserved for the people that make these device and those that keep them secret.
    OMG!! You haven't a clue. 

    The hottest corners of Hell should be reserved for the people who kill and maim and hide behind "privacy" as they are doing with my son who was killed 6 days ago by one of them, and not by accident. Check your priorities.

    That's all I'll say about it. 
    gatorguy - so sorry about your loss. I have an 11 year-old girl and an overactive imagination, and my days are constantly interrupted with darkness and worry without anything actually happening. Even with that, I can't even come close to knowing what you're going through, and neither can 'nizzard'. Our priorities are influenced by our experiences. It's safe to assume that 'nizzard' has led a pretty different life than yours, especially with what you're going through now.  As much as this dust can ever settle, I don't think it's wrong to want transparency between a  government and its constituents. It's also not wrong to want the swiftest and most complete justice aimed at those who commit the most heinous of crimes. Ultimately, I think wanting some daylight and transparency in this matter was all that was being said, just in a potentially hyperbolic and simplistic way. It's obvious that his statement made things infinitely worse when held up to the horrible tragedy that you are in the middle of. Again, I'm very sorry for your loss.
    Thank you. :)
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  • Reply 23 of 27
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    GG1 said:
    gatorguy said:
    nizzard said:
    The hottest corners of Hell should be reserved for the people that make these device and those that keep them secret.
    OMG!! You haven't a clue. 

    The hottest corners of Hell should be reserved for the people who kill and maim and hide behind "privacy" as they are doing with my son who was killed 6 days ago by one of them, and not by accident. Check your priorities.

    That's all I'll say about it. 
    My condolences.
    Thank you. 
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  • Reply 24 of 27
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    gatorguy said:
    crowley said:
    gatorguy said:
    nizzard said:
    The hottest corners of Hell should be reserved for the people that make these device and those that keep them secret.
    OMG!! You haven't a clue. 

    The hottest corners of Hell should be reserved for the people who kill and maim and hide behind "privacy" as they are doing with my son who was killed 6 days ago by one of them, and not by accident. Check your priorities.

    That's all I'll say about it. 
    I'm a bit confused by this, but I'm sorry for your loss.
    Two weeks ago another mother's son here died. There's a person who is believed to know how and where, but refuses to cooperate. A car he was driving that he claims is not his was taken, as was his phone that he would not unlock saying it wasn't really his either. I don't know if the detective's have been able yet to get anything from it but it's too late for my son. Would it have made a difference if the man had been arrested and charges and off the street. Probably, even if it was temporary and inevitable anyway. 

    I completely understand the privacy, and yet still see why there are two sides of the coin. My coin was flipped Friday.  While Apple is busy "saving the children" I hope there can be some way too that children like mine can be protected from the evils that our smartphones help propagate. 
    That is horrible, and like I’m sure everyone here is, I am sorry for your deeply personal loss.
    Thank you. Sincerely, thank you. 
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  • Reply 25 of 27
    JFC_PAjfc_pa Posts: 971member
    What will phone access provide? Cell tower pings locating a phone in the vicinity of a crime scene at the time it occurred is attainable with a routine warrant. 

    Odds of the suspect having “commit crime 9/22/2021, 2-3 P. M, include travel time to the scene” is effectively zero. Those crazed Jan 6 lynch mob participants aside, and most of their confessions were in Facebook not their todo lists. The FBI very loudly demanded iPhone access for the San Bernardino terrorists: when they very expensively got in; nothing. 
     

    Lots of cops it seems have gotten very lazy: gather up the magic phones and sit on their hands whining they can’t solve crime unless it’s handed to them on a platter. A handy scapegoat for not doing their job. 
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  • Reply 26 of 27
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    gatorguy said:
    nizzard said:
    The hottest corners of Hell should be reserved for the people that make these device and those that keep them secret.
    OMG!! You haven't a clue. 

    The hottest corners of Hell should be reserved for the people who kill and maim and hide behind "privacy" as they are doing with my son who was killed 6 days ago by one of them, and not by accident. Check your priorities.

    That's all I'll say about it. 

    I am so sorry to hear of your loss.   It's like losing part of yourself.  My thoughts and prayers are with you...
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  • Reply 27 of 27
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    gatorguy said:
    nizzard said:
    The hottest corners of Hell should be reserved for the people that make these device and those that keep them secret.
    OMG!! You haven't a clue. 

    The hottest corners of Hell should be reserved for the people who kill and maim and hide behind "privacy" as they are doing with my son who was killed 6 days ago by one of them, and not by accident. Check your priorities.

    That's all I'll say about it. 

    I am so sorry to hear of your loss.   It's like losing part of yourself.  My thoughts and prayers are with you...
    Thank you George. 
    GeorgeBMac
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