Unfair use of force in Iraq?

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  • Reply 81 of 186
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by drewprops

    Irresistable, immediate, overwhelming force is what you use.



    Not if you want to build a democracy.
  • Reply 82 of 186
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,035member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by groverat

    So is everyone convinced that the original question is idiotic beyond comprehension?



    Have we gotten that settled?




    Yes, I believe we have.
  • Reply 83 of 186
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    fine, your welcome to move on SDW. bye, byee!
  • Reply 84 of 186
    noahjnoahj Posts: 4,502member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by New

    sorry



    Apology accepted.
  • Reply 85 of 186
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    your welcome!
  • Reply 86 of 186
    stoostoo Posts: 1,490member
    Quote:

    Irresistable, immediate, overwhelming force is what you use.



    Quote:

    Not if you want to build a democracy.



    As usual, other ideas for a democratic Iraq on a postcard.
  • Reply 87 of 186
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    meaning?
  • Reply 88 of 186
    Quote:

    Originally posted by New

    Not if you want to build a democracy.



    since when? the military in iraq is part of the problem. saddam and his cronies controls the military, or at least the ones that are worth a shit and i'm not even talking about the paramilitant fvckers. there can be no peace in the region, let alone within iraq without severly disabling the military factor. how do you think saddam has stayed in power for as long as he has, because he's a popular guy that's fun at parties?
  • Reply 89 of 186
    stoostoo Posts: 1,490member
    What I mean is how else could democracy be set up in Iraq? Not necessarily a completely rhetorical question.
  • Reply 90 of 186
    dviantdviant Posts: 483member
    The Saddam in New's head says: "What's that you people want to build a Democracy?! Why didn't you say so in the first place! Geez, I'm sorry about all that evil-dictator stuff, my bad. Here let me pack my bags and get out of your way."



  • Reply 91 of 186
    drewpropsdrewprops Posts: 2,321member
    New, please don't confuse war with nation-building.
  • Reply 92 of 186
    I'll just reply directly to the first post...



    Even I, improperly characterised as a whining, socialist, student would say that I did not LIKE the enormous bombing campaign but that use of force ELSEWHERE from CURRENT REPORTS is actually well restrained...



    This is not as brutal as it will get when they have to enter Baghdad
  • Reply 93 of 186
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Stoo

    What I mean is how else could democracy be set up in Iraq? Not necessarily a completely rhetorical question.



    There is actually another thread on this.
  • Reply 94 of 186
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by drewprops

    New, please don't confuse war with nation-building.



    I'm one of the few who don't.
  • Reply 95 of 186
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by DigitalMonkeyBoy

    I'll just reply directly to the first post...



    Even I, improperly characterised as a whining, socialist, student would say that I did not LIKE the enormous bombing campaign but that use of force ELSEWHERE from CURRENT REPORTS is actually well restrained...



    This is not as brutal as it will get when they have to enter Baghdad




    agreed, its a quesiton that applies to many conflicts lately. Afghanistan in particular. As I said, the issue was brought to my attention by a lawyer specializing in international law. It's not something I invented out of my own whining, socialist head.
  • Reply 96 of 186
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by dviant

    The Saddam in New's head says: "What's that you people want to build a Democracy?! Why didn't you say so in the first place! Geez, I'm sorry about all that evil-dictator stuff, my bad. Here let me pack my bags and get out of your way."







    hey, get a sense of humor before you start making jokes, ok?
  • Reply 97 of 186
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by New

    Maybe that's part of the explanation behind the firece resistence this time. The people of Baghdad probably know better than anyone the effects of the bombing 12 years ago. Imagine being "liberated" by the guys who killed your father...



    I'm confused. Are you saying that Saddam is going to liberate them?
  • Reply 98 of 186
    newnew Posts: 3,244member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Scott

    I'm confused. Are you saying that Saddam is going to liberate them?



    I'm saying it would be best if they were givien the chance to liberate themselves. And for that to happen certain conditions need to be present.
  • Reply 99 of 186
    defiantdefiant Posts: 4,876member
    what a post count!



    New

    Senior Member



    Posts: 1111

    From: Oslo, Yurrup!
  • Reply 100 of 186
    drewpropsdrewprops Posts: 2,321member
    Finally!

    Finally New understands:



    Quote:

    I'm saying it would be best if they were givien the chance to liberate themselves. And for that to happen certain conditions need to be present.





    And those "certain conditions" that New is too timid to provide are what?

    Come now New, let's not speak in safe generalities, from whence we will never assert risky opinions....put your balls on the table!



    What are those "certain conditions"?





    Sayest New:

    I'm saying it would be best if they were givien the chance to liberate themselves. And for that to happen certain conditions need to be present.






    I'll tell you.



    The removal of the head of the snake. The removal of the regime that prevents the people from rising up. The removal of a regime that skins political prisoners alive, gases civilian populations and hangs a woman for waving to soldiers.





    Fair war my ass.

    Ass.
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