Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Did you have anything constructive to add to the conversation? Or just more trolling?
Have you ever had anything constructive to post about Apple and 2 in 1's.
No.
Just more whinging, same as you ever have.
Apple has stated that they won't build a 2 in 1. Take them at their word. Move on.
So you have nothing to contribute, just more trolling. Got it.
Missed this headline until now and clicked through fully expecting to see …this. I am unsurprised.
Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1. They keep saying it, and you keep complaining about it, so predictably that I looked just to see how quickly you got at it.
Also predictably, others disagree with your complaint and point out that they’ve read your predicable lament about this before, then you start calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Then sometimes you get really heated about it, and eventually the management comes in and clips off your ad hominem posts and leaves it with whoever made the last point that Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1, and that maybe you should just let it go.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Did you have anything constructive to add to the conversation? Or just more trolling?
Have you ever had anything constructive to post about Apple and 2 in 1's.
No.
Just more whinging, same as you ever have.
Apple has stated that they won't build a 2 in 1. Take them at their word. Move on.
So you have nothing to contribute, just more trolling. Got it.
Missed this headline until now and clicked through fully expecting to see …this. I am unsurprised.
Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1. They keep saying it, and you keep complaining about it, so predictably that I looked just to see how quickly you got at it.
Also predictably, others disagree with your complaint and point out that they’ve read your predicable lament about this before, then you start calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Then sometimes you get really heated about it, and eventually the management comes in and clips off your ad hominem posts and leaves it with whoever made the last point that Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1, and that maybe you should just let it go.
Sorry if you disagree with my logic. But it's not my problem that it upsets you. But, if you have anything constructive to add, please let us know.
By the way, Apple would never add a cursor to the iPad either, until they did. You were all upset over any mention of that too -- till Apple added it, then things got real quiet.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Is it just as fair to "call you out on your consistent whinging about" any criticism -- or suggestion of a better way -- for Apple?
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Did you have anything constructive to add to the conversation? Or just more trolling?
Have you ever had anything constructive to post about Apple and 2 in 1's.
No.
Just more whinging, same as you ever have.
Apple has stated that they won't build a 2 in 1. Take them at their word. Move on.
So you have nothing to contribute, just more trolling. Got it.
Missed this headline until now and clicked through fully expecting to see …this. I am unsurprised.
Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1. They keep saying it, and you keep complaining about it, so predictably that I looked just to see how quickly you got at it.
Also predictably, others disagree with your complaint and point out that they’ve read your predicable lament about this before, then you start calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Then sometimes you get really heated about it, and eventually the management comes in and clips off your ad hominem posts and leaves it with whoever made the last point that Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1, and that maybe you should just let it go.
Sorry if you disagree with my logic. But it's not my problem that it upsets you. But, if you have anything constructive to add, please let us know.
By the way, Apple would never add a cursor to the iPad either, until they did. You were all upset over any mention of that too -- till Apple added it, then things got real quiet.
There’s no logic to disagree with. Apple has said over and over and over that they’re not going to do the thing you want. As a refresher for you, here’s what Apple said about that this time:
According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
There’s no equivocation there. They’re not going to do the thing you keep going on about. Belittling everyone who points that out to you won’t make it happen, either.
Life is short. If you want a 2-in-1, go buy one. They’re out there. Instead of using the time you have left complaining that Apple isn’t making one for you, get one of the other ones and start using it. You can probably even use it to surf to a Windows forum where folks share tips and tricks for how to make the most of it. Could be a wholly positive, enjoyable experience for you. I hope it is.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Did you have anything constructive to add to the conversation? Or just more trolling?
Have you ever had anything constructive to post about Apple and 2 in 1's.
No.
Just more whinging, same as you ever have.
Apple has stated that they won't build a 2 in 1. Take them at their word. Move on.
So you have nothing to contribute, just more trolling. Got it.
Missed this headline until now and clicked through fully expecting to see …this. I am unsurprised.
Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1. They keep saying it, and you keep complaining about it, so predictably that I looked just to see how quickly you got at it.
Also predictably, others disagree with your complaint and point out that they’ve read your predicable lament about this before, then you start calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Then sometimes you get really heated about it, and eventually the management comes in and clips off your ad hominem posts and leaves it with whoever made the last point that Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1, and that maybe you should just let it go.
Sorry if you disagree with my logic. But it's not my problem that it upsets you. But, if you have anything constructive to add, please let us know.
By the way, Apple would never add a cursor to the iPad either, until they did. You were all upset over any mention of that too -- till Apple added it, then things got real quiet.
There’s no logic to disagree with. Apple has said over and over and over that they’re not going to do the thing you want. As a refresher for you, here’s what Apple said about that this time:
According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
There’s no equivocation there. They’re not going to do the thing you keep going on about. Belittling everyone who points that out to you won’t make it happen, either.
Life is short. If you want a 2-in-1, go buy one. They’re out there. Instead of using the time you have left complaining that Apple isn’t making one for you, get one of the other ones and start using it. You can probably even use it to surf to a Windows forum where folks share tips and tricks for how to make the most of it. Could be a wholly positive, enjoyable experience for you. I hope it is.
The lack of logic, as I pointed out, is not that they have, so far, refused to make a 2 in 1. But in them selling a car without a trunk and telling people to also buy a pickup truck if they want to carry anything.
2 in 1's are here to stay. They aren't going away and instead will, I think, continue to grow. Apple admitted that when they created the touchbar to take the place of a touch screen. But, that was clearly the wrong direction which they have rolled back from. Which leaves them with nothing.
That said, from their current direction, it appears more likely that they will develop the iPad into a 2 in 1 than the Mac. But, they really could and should do both.
You set a very low bar for Apple.
I think more highly of them and believe they can do better and will continue to point out where I think they can do better -- even if you think that should not be allowed.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Did you have anything constructive to add to the conversation? Or just more trolling?
Have you ever had anything constructive to post about Apple and 2 in 1's.
No.
Just more whinging, same as you ever have.
Apple has stated that they won't build a 2 in 1. Take them at their word. Move on.
So you have nothing to contribute, just more trolling. Got it.
Missed this headline until now and clicked through fully expecting to see …this. I am unsurprised.
Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1. They keep saying it, and you keep complaining about it, so predictably that I looked just to see how quickly you got at it.
Also predictably, others disagree with your complaint and point out that they’ve read your predicable lament about this before, then you start calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Then sometimes you get really heated about it, and eventually the management comes in and clips off your ad hominem posts and leaves it with whoever made the last point that Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1, and that maybe you should just let it go.
Sorry if you disagree with my logic. But it's not my problem that it upsets you. But, if you have anything constructive to add, please let us know.
By the way, Apple would never add a cursor to the iPad either, until they did. You were all upset over any mention of that too -- till Apple added it, then things got real quiet.
There’s no logic to disagree with. Apple has said over and over and over that they’re not going to do the thing you want. As a refresher for you, here’s what Apple said about that this time:
According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
There’s no equivocation there. They’re not going to do the thing you keep going on about. Belittling everyone who points that out to you won’t make it happen, either.
Life is short. If you want a 2-in-1, go buy one. They’re out there. Instead of using the time you have left complaining that Apple isn’t making one for you, get one of the other ones and start using it. You can probably even use it to surf to a Windows forum where folks share tips and tricks for how to make the most of it. Could be a wholly positive, enjoyable experience for you. I hope it is.
The lack of logic, as I pointed out, is not that they have, so far, refused to make a 2 in 1. But in them selling a car without a trunk and telling people to also buy a pickup truck if they want to carry anything.
2 in 1's are here to stay. They aren't going away and instead will, I think, continue to grow. Apple admitted that when they created the touchbar to take the place of a touch screen. But, that was clearly the wrong direction which they have rolled back from. Which leaves them with nothing.
That said, from their current direction, it appears more likely that they will develop the iPad into a 2 in 1 than the Mac. But, they really could and should do both.
You set a very low bar for Apple.
I think more highly of them and believe they can do better and will continue to point out where I think they can do better -- even if you think that should not be allowed.
Your analogy is incorrect. If you were to use vehicles as a comparison, it would be that Apple makes a really nice passenger car (with a trunk) and a really nice pickup truck. They see no point in making an El Camino instead.
Of course, the analogy doesn't really work, because with Apple, you're talking about two separate operating systems, one built and optimized for touch, and the other built and optimized for an indirect UI. MacOS not only runs MacBooks but also operates the full Mac Pro workstation. Cludging that up with touch UI would ruin the user experience for someone operating a workstation with multiple screens. Making touch UI elements come and go depending on what kind of screen is showing is just windows-like bloat. Simply putting MacOS as-is on an iPad then forces users into a non-touch UI on a touch device, which would be a huge step down from the current iPad experience. Having the OS swap back and forth on the iPad would be both suboptimal and also turn the OS into a massive bloatware mess.
Apple sets a high bar for their user experience, and they're not going to create a mish-mash of it just to compete in a segment that isn't very competitive at all. Even with brand new shiny upgraded devices, Surface sales continue to decline. For the 2-in-1 segment to "continue to grow," it would first have to quit declining.
Apple is not going to make the 2-in-1 you want. Go buy a Windows device if you really want one.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Did you have anything constructive to add to the conversation? Or just more trolling?
Have you ever had anything constructive to post about Apple and 2 in 1's.
No.
Just more whinging, same as you ever have.
Apple has stated that they won't build a 2 in 1. Take them at their word. Move on.
So you have nothing to contribute, just more trolling. Got it.
Missed this headline until now and clicked through fully expecting to see …this. I am unsurprised.
Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1. They keep saying it, and you keep complaining about it, so predictably that I looked just to see how quickly you got at it.
Also predictably, others disagree with your complaint and point out that they’ve read your predicable lament about this before, then you start calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Then sometimes you get really heated about it, and eventually the management comes in and clips off your ad hominem posts and leaves it with whoever made the last point that Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1, and that maybe you should just let it go.
Sorry if you disagree with my logic. But it's not my problem that it upsets you. But, if you have anything constructive to add, please let us know.
By the way, Apple would never add a cursor to the iPad either, until they did. You were all upset over any mention of that too -- till Apple added it, then things got real quiet.
There’s no logic to disagree with. Apple has said over and over and over that they’re not going to do the thing you want. As a refresher for you, here’s what Apple said about that this time:
According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
There’s no equivocation there. They’re not going to do the thing you keep going on about. Belittling everyone who points that out to you won’t make it happen, either.
Life is short. If you want a 2-in-1, go buy one. They’re out there. Instead of using the time you have left complaining that Apple isn’t making one for you, get one of the other ones and start using it. You can probably even use it to surf to a Windows forum where folks share tips and tricks for how to make the most of it. Could be a wholly positive, enjoyable experience for you. I hope it is.
The lack of logic, as I pointed out, is not that they have, so far, refused to make a 2 in 1. But in them selling a car without a trunk and telling people to also buy a pickup truck if they want to carry anything.
2 in 1's are here to stay. They aren't going away and instead will, I think, continue to grow. Apple admitted that when they created the touchbar to take the place of a touch screen. But, that was clearly the wrong direction which they have rolled back from. Which leaves them with nothing.
That said, from their current direction, it appears more likely that they will develop the iPad into a 2 in 1 than the Mac. But, they really could and should do both.
You set a very low bar for Apple.
I think more highly of them and believe they can do better and will continue to point out where I think they can do better -- even if you think that should not be allowed.
Your analogy is incorrect. If you were to use vehicles as a comparison, it would be that Apple makes a really nice passenger car (with a trunk) and a really nice pickup truck. They see no point in making an El Camino instead.
Of course, the analogy doesn't really work, because with Apple, you're talking about two separate operating systems, one built and optimized for touch, and the other built and optimized for an indirect UI. MacOS not only runs MacBooks but also operates the full Mac Pro workstation. Cludging that up with touch UI would ruin the user experience for someone operating a workstation with multiple screens. Making touch UI elements come and go depending on what kind of screen is showing is just windows-like bloat. Simply putting MacOS as-is on an iPad then forces users into a non-touch UI on a touch device, which would be a huge step down from the current iPad experience. Having the OS swap back and forth on the iPad would be both suboptimal and also turn the OS into a massive bloatware mess.
Apple sets a high bar for their user experience, and they're not going to create a mish-mash of it just to compete in a segment that isn't very competitive at all. Even with brand new shiny upgraded devices, Surface sales continue to decline. For the 2-in-1 segment to "continue to grow," it would first have to quit declining.
Apple is not going to make the 2-in-1 you want. Go buy a Windows device if you really want one.
You shot 100% with that one: I didn't see a single point that I think is true.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Did you have anything constructive to add to the conversation? Or just more trolling?
Have you ever had anything constructive to post about Apple and 2 in 1's.
No.
Just more whinging, same as you ever have.
Apple has stated that they won't build a 2 in 1. Take them at their word. Move on.
So you have nothing to contribute, just more trolling. Got it.
Missed this headline until now and clicked through fully expecting to see …this. I am unsurprised.
Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1. They keep saying it, and you keep complaining about it, so predictably that I looked just to see how quickly you got at it.
Also predictably, others disagree with your complaint and point out that they’ve read your predicable lament about this before, then you start calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Then sometimes you get really heated about it, and eventually the management comes in and clips off your ad hominem posts and leaves it with whoever made the last point that Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1, and that maybe you should just let it go.
Sorry if you disagree with my logic. But it's not my problem that it upsets you. But, if you have anything constructive to add, please let us know.
By the way, Apple would never add a cursor to the iPad either, until they did. You were all upset over any mention of that too -- till Apple added it, then things got real quiet.
There’s no logic to disagree with. Apple has said over and over and over that they’re not going to do the thing you want. As a refresher for you, here’s what Apple said about that this time:
According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
There’s no equivocation there. They’re not going to do the thing you keep going on about. Belittling everyone who points that out to you won’t make it happen, either.
Life is short. If you want a 2-in-1, go buy one. They’re out there. Instead of using the time you have left complaining that Apple isn’t making one for you, get one of the other ones and start using it. You can probably even use it to surf to a Windows forum where folks share tips and tricks for how to make the most of it. Could be a wholly positive, enjoyable experience for you. I hope it is.
The lack of logic, as I pointed out, is not that they have, so far, refused to make a 2 in 1. But in them selling a car without a trunk and telling people to also buy a pickup truck if they want to carry anything.
2 in 1's are here to stay. They aren't going away and instead will, I think, continue to grow. Apple admitted that when they created the touchbar to take the place of a touch screen. But, that was clearly the wrong direction which they have rolled back from. Which leaves them with nothing.
That said, from their current direction, it appears more likely that they will develop the iPad into a 2 in 1 than the Mac. But, they really could and should do both.
You set a very low bar for Apple.
I think more highly of them and believe they can do better and will continue to point out where I think they can do better -- even if you think that should not be allowed.
Your analogy is incorrect. If you were to use vehicles as a comparison, it would be that Apple makes a really nice passenger car (with a trunk) and a really nice pickup truck. They see no point in making an El Camino instead.
Of course, the analogy doesn't really work, because with Apple, you're talking about two separate operating systems, one built and optimized for touch, and the other built and optimized for an indirect UI. MacOS not only runs MacBooks but also operates the full Mac Pro workstation. Cludging that up with touch UI would ruin the user experience for someone operating a workstation with multiple screens. Making touch UI elements come and go depending on what kind of screen is showing is just windows-like bloat. Simply putting MacOS as-is on an iPad then forces users into a non-touch UI on a touch device, which would be a huge step down from the current iPad experience. Having the OS swap back and forth on the iPad would be both suboptimal and also turn the OS into a massive bloatware mess.
Apple sets a high bar for their user experience, and they're not going to create a mish-mash of it just to compete in a segment that isn't very competitive at all. Even with brand new shiny upgraded devices, Surface sales continue to decline. For the 2-in-1 segment to "continue to grow," it would first have to quit declining.
Apple is not going to make the 2-in-1 you want. Go buy a Windows device if you really want one.
You shot 100% with that one: I didn't see a single point that I think is true.
Ah, well, good for you.
One thing that is undeniably true is that John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, just said, "We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad. It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Did you have anything constructive to add to the conversation? Or just more trolling?
Have you ever had anything constructive to post about Apple and 2 in 1's.
No.
Just more whinging, same as you ever have.
Apple has stated that they won't build a 2 in 1. Take them at their word. Move on.
So you have nothing to contribute, just more trolling. Got it.
Missed this headline until now and clicked through fully expecting to see …this. I am unsurprised.
Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1. They keep saying it, and you keep complaining about it, so predictably that I looked just to see how quickly you got at it.
Also predictably, others disagree with your complaint and point out that they’ve read your predicable lament about this before, then you start calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Then sometimes you get really heated about it, and eventually the management comes in and clips off your ad hominem posts and leaves it with whoever made the last point that Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1, and that maybe you should just let it go.
Sorry if you disagree with my logic. But it's not my problem that it upsets you. But, if you have anything constructive to add, please let us know.
By the way, Apple would never add a cursor to the iPad either, until they did. You were all upset over any mention of that too -- till Apple added it, then things got real quiet.
There’s no logic to disagree with. Apple has said over and over and over that they’re not going to do the thing you want. As a refresher for you, here’s what Apple said about that this time:
According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
There’s no equivocation there. They’re not going to do the thing you keep going on about. Belittling everyone who points that out to you won’t make it happen, either.
Life is short. If you want a 2-in-1, go buy one. They’re out there. Instead of using the time you have left complaining that Apple isn’t making one for you, get one of the other ones and start using it. You can probably even use it to surf to a Windows forum where folks share tips and tricks for how to make the most of it. Could be a wholly positive, enjoyable experience for you. I hope it is.
The lack of logic, as I pointed out, is not that they have, so far, refused to make a 2 in 1. But in them selling a car without a trunk and telling people to also buy a pickup truck if they want to carry anything.
2 in 1's are here to stay. They aren't going away and instead will, I think, continue to grow. Apple admitted that when they created the touchbar to take the place of a touch screen. But, that was clearly the wrong direction which they have rolled back from. Which leaves them with nothing.
That said, from their current direction, it appears more likely that they will develop the iPad into a 2 in 1 than the Mac. But, they really could and should do both.
You set a very low bar for Apple.
I think more highly of them and believe they can do better and will continue to point out where I think they can do better -- even if you think that should not be allowed.
Your analogy is incorrect. If you were to use vehicles as a comparison, it would be that Apple makes a really nice passenger car (with a trunk) and a really nice pickup truck. They see no point in making an El Camino instead.
Of course, the analogy doesn't really work, because with Apple, you're talking about two separate operating systems, one built and optimized for touch, and the other built and optimized for an indirect UI. MacOS not only runs MacBooks but also operates the full Mac Pro workstation. Cludging that up with touch UI would ruin the user experience for someone operating a workstation with multiple screens. Making touch UI elements come and go depending on what kind of screen is showing is just windows-like bloat. Simply putting MacOS as-is on an iPad then forces users into a non-touch UI on a touch device, which would be a huge step down from the current iPad experience. Having the OS swap back and forth on the iPad would be both suboptimal and also turn the OS into a massive bloatware mess.
Apple sets a high bar for their user experience, and they're not going to create a mish-mash of it just to compete in a segment that isn't very competitive at all. Even with brand new shiny upgraded devices, Surface sales continue to decline. For the 2-in-1 segment to "continue to grow," it would first have to quit declining.
Apple is not going to make the 2-in-1 you want. Go buy a Windows device if you really want one.
You shot 100% with that one: I didn't see a single point that I think is true.
Ah, well, good for you.
One thing that is undeniably true is that John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, just said, "We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad. It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
What's weird is that, for the most part, it isn't a hardware issue. How to add touch to a screen was resolved a decade ago. It's mostly a software issue of how to manage that additional input -- just as adding a cursor to the iPad was a software issue.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Did you have anything constructive to add to the conversation? Or just more trolling?
Have you ever had anything constructive to post about Apple and 2 in 1's.
No.
Just more whinging, same as you ever have.
Apple has stated that they won't build a 2 in 1. Take them at their word. Move on.
So you have nothing to contribute, just more trolling. Got it.
Missed this headline until now and clicked through fully expecting to see …this. I am unsurprised.
Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1. They keep saying it, and you keep complaining about it, so predictably that I looked just to see how quickly you got at it.
Also predictably, others disagree with your complaint and point out that they’ve read your predicable lament about this before, then you start calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Then sometimes you get really heated about it, and eventually the management comes in and clips off your ad hominem posts and leaves it with whoever made the last point that Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1, and that maybe you should just let it go.
Sorry if you disagree with my logic. But it's not my problem that it upsets you. But, if you have anything constructive to add, please let us know.
By the way, Apple would never add a cursor to the iPad either, until they did. You were all upset over any mention of that too -- till Apple added it, then things got real quiet.
There’s no logic to disagree with. Apple has said over and over and over that they’re not going to do the thing you want. As a refresher for you, here’s what Apple said about that this time:
According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
There’s no equivocation there. They’re not going to do the thing you keep going on about. Belittling everyone who points that out to you won’t make it happen, either.
Life is short. If you want a 2-in-1, go buy one. They’re out there. Instead of using the time you have left complaining that Apple isn’t making one for you, get one of the other ones and start using it. You can probably even use it to surf to a Windows forum where folks share tips and tricks for how to make the most of it. Could be a wholly positive, enjoyable experience for you. I hope it is.
The lack of logic, as I pointed out, is not that they have, so far, refused to make a 2 in 1. But in them selling a car without a trunk and telling people to also buy a pickup truck if they want to carry anything.
2 in 1's are here to stay. They aren't going away and instead will, I think, continue to grow. Apple admitted that when they created the touchbar to take the place of a touch screen. But, that was clearly the wrong direction which they have rolled back from. Which leaves them with nothing.
That said, from their current direction, it appears more likely that they will develop the iPad into a 2 in 1 than the Mac. But, they really could and should do both.
You set a very low bar for Apple.
I think more highly of them and believe they can do better and will continue to point out where I think they can do better -- even if you think that should not be allowed.
Your analogy is incorrect. If you were to use vehicles as a comparison, it would be that Apple makes a really nice passenger car (with a trunk) and a really nice pickup truck. They see no point in making an El Camino instead.
Of course, the analogy doesn't really work, because with Apple, you're talking about two separate operating systems, one built and optimized for touch, and the other built and optimized for an indirect UI. MacOS not only runs MacBooks but also operates the full Mac Pro workstation. Cludging that up with touch UI would ruin the user experience for someone operating a workstation with multiple screens. Making touch UI elements come and go depending on what kind of screen is showing is just windows-like bloat. Simply putting MacOS as-is on an iPad then forces users into a non-touch UI on a touch device, which would be a huge step down from the current iPad experience. Having the OS swap back and forth on the iPad would be both suboptimal and also turn the OS into a massive bloatware mess.
Apple sets a high bar for their user experience, and they're not going to create a mish-mash of it just to compete in a segment that isn't very competitive at all. Even with brand new shiny upgraded devices, Surface sales continue to decline. For the 2-in-1 segment to "continue to grow," it would first have to quit declining.
Apple is not going to make the 2-in-1 you want. Go buy a Windows device if you really want one.
You shot 100% with that one: I didn't see a single point that I think is true.
Ah, well, good for you.
One thing that is undeniably true is that John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, just said, "We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad. It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
What's weird is that, for the most part, it isn't a hardware issue. How to add touch to a screen was resolved a decade ago. It's mostly a software issue of how to manage that additional input -- just as adding a cursor to the iPad was a software issue.
Apple doesn't believe that the user should mix touch input on a notebook, or a desktop, hence why the cursor appeared in iPadOS to support an accessory keyboard with trackpad or mouse when the user is primarily inputting text. There isn't anything that is user friendly about reaching out to touch a screen for input.
IMHO, there is no UI that works well with both touch and keyboard simultaneously. If you believe that the Surface has solved that problem, then buy a Surface, or a Surface clone, and enjoy it.
Stop stating that Apple is forcing users to buy two different devices, because they want to increase revenue. It's a lie on your part as there isn't any evidence of that.
Apple executives explain how the new MacBook Pro designs came about because of pro user feedback -- and how the company needs to do more work as it pertains to improving third-party repair access.
The new MacBook Pro
As the new 14-inch and redesigned 16-inch MacBook Pro begin arriving for customers -- or sometimes not -- Apple executives have been promoting their new features.
Talking to Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal, Apple vice president of Mac and iPad Product Marketing. Tom Boger, said that the new designs come from focusing on what most users need.
"We're constantly listening to our customers," he said, "and with this new lineup of MacBook Pros we decided to make some changes as we do a lot on the Mac."
Boger also admitted that in order to provide what hardware features were being asked for, "the 16-inch MacBook got a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier."
Despite Boger being in charge of both Mac and iPad product marketing, Apple does not plan to make a hybrid device. According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
Stern also questioned the pair about the difficulties of getting third-party repairs. Boger admitted that Apple has to "do work in that space."
She also pointed out that with these models answering most user requests of the last several years, there are now going to be more of them. Stern proposed a water-resistant laptop.
"That hasn't been on many people's lists," said Boger, concluding the interview.
So, Apple wants us to buy 2 devices when one would do both jobs -- that's been proven every time a person buys a two in one.
That's a good business decision -- stock holders will be happy.
Customers -- well, screw them.
Funny, but MS isn't having much luck with Surface sales.
Maybe you could help them out by buying one of their Surface devices, given that you have been whinging about Apple's lack of 2 in 1's since you have been posting, and also given that Apple has deprecated x86.
Give it to your Grandson for his "homework". I'm sure he'll be so excited.
Time to move on.
LOL... So you think Microsoft is the only company selling 2 in 1's? Really?
I'm quite aware of those OEM's.
So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
Glad you are aware of all the vendors selling 2 in 1's.
But, it's still not so clear why you ignore them and harp about Microsoft.
It's also not so clear why I would spend twice as much to buy two devices when one would do the job.
Yet, here you are, complaining about Apple not having a 2 in 1, which if it did, would still be much more than 2 times that cost of your $699 OEM 2 in 1.
What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
No, I was responding to a claim by another poster.
What you're claiming here is not only out of context but not in any way true.
Well, I also remind you of the context of your many previous posts on the subject. None of your context today, or in the past, was of acceptance of Apple's decision to avoid 2 in 1's, and you were as unhappy then about that, as you are today.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Did you have anything constructive to add to the conversation? Or just more trolling?
Have you ever had anything constructive to post about Apple and 2 in 1's.
No.
Just more whinging, same as you ever have.
Apple has stated that they won't build a 2 in 1. Take them at their word. Move on.
So you have nothing to contribute, just more trolling. Got it.
Missed this headline until now and clicked through fully expecting to see …this. I am unsurprised.
Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1. They keep saying it, and you keep complaining about it, so predictably that I looked just to see how quickly you got at it.
Also predictably, others disagree with your complaint and point out that they’ve read your predicable lament about this before, then you start calling everyone who disagrees with you a troll. Then sometimes you get really heated about it, and eventually the management comes in and clips off your ad hominem posts and leaves it with whoever made the last point that Apple isn’t going to make a 2-in-1, and that maybe you should just let it go.
Sorry if you disagree with my logic. But it's not my problem that it upsets you. But, if you have anything constructive to add, please let us know.
By the way, Apple would never add a cursor to the iPad either, until they did. You were all upset over any mention of that too -- till Apple added it, then things got real quiet.
There’s no logic to disagree with. Apple has said over and over and over that they’re not going to do the thing you want. As a refresher for you, here’s what Apple said about that this time:
According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
There’s no equivocation there. They’re not going to do the thing you keep going on about. Belittling everyone who points that out to you won’t make it happen, either.
Life is short. If you want a 2-in-1, go buy one. They’re out there. Instead of using the time you have left complaining that Apple isn’t making one for you, get one of the other ones and start using it. You can probably even use it to surf to a Windows forum where folks share tips and tricks for how to make the most of it. Could be a wholly positive, enjoyable experience for you. I hope it is.
The lack of logic, as I pointed out, is not that they have, so far, refused to make a 2 in 1. But in them selling a car without a trunk and telling people to also buy a pickup truck if they want to carry anything.
2 in 1's are here to stay. They aren't going away and instead will, I think, continue to grow. Apple admitted that when they created the touchbar to take the place of a touch screen. But, that was clearly the wrong direction which they have rolled back from. Which leaves them with nothing.
That said, from their current direction, it appears more likely that they will develop the iPad into a 2 in 1 than the Mac. But, they really could and should do both.
You set a very low bar for Apple.
I think more highly of them and believe they can do better and will continue to point out where I think they can do better -- even if you think that should not be allowed.
Your analogy is incorrect. If you were to use vehicles as a comparison, it would be that Apple makes a really nice passenger car (with a trunk) and a really nice pickup truck. They see no point in making an El Camino instead.
Of course, the analogy doesn't really work, because with Apple, you're talking about two separate operating systems, one built and optimized for touch, and the other built and optimized for an indirect UI. MacOS not only runs MacBooks but also operates the full Mac Pro workstation. Cludging that up with touch UI would ruin the user experience for someone operating a workstation with multiple screens. Making touch UI elements come and go depending on what kind of screen is showing is just windows-like bloat. Simply putting MacOS as-is on an iPad then forces users into a non-touch UI on a touch device, which would be a huge step down from the current iPad experience. Having the OS swap back and forth on the iPad would be both suboptimal and also turn the OS into a massive bloatware mess.
Apple sets a high bar for their user experience, and they're not going to create a mish-mash of it just to compete in a segment that isn't very competitive at all. Even with brand new shiny upgraded devices, Surface sales continue to decline. For the 2-in-1 segment to "continue to grow," it would first have to quit declining.
Apple is not going to make the 2-in-1 you want. Go buy a Windows device if you really want one.
You shot 100% with that one: I didn't see a single point that I think is true.
Ah, well, good for you.
One thing that is undeniably true is that John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, just said, "We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad. It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
What's weird is that, for the most part, it isn't a hardware issue. How to add touch to a screen was resolved a decade ago. It's mostly a software issue of how to manage that additional input -- just as adding a cursor to the iPad was a software issue.
That’s a Microsoft way to look at it, sure.
Apple looks at hardware and software together, and delivers a total user experience. They’re quite capable of writing the software and making the hardware for a 2-in-1 device. The reason they haven’t done that was made very, very clear in Ternus’ statement right above: “We haven’t felt a reason to change that.” They’re not going to do it because they don’t think it’s worth doing.
You can rail against that reality all you want, but Apple has repeatedly said they’re not interested. No does actually mean no.
You can rail against that reality all you want, but Apple has repeatedly said they’re not interested. No does actually mean no.
No it doesn't. Apple U turns all the time. Have you somehow missed the re-addition of "legacy" ports on the new Macbooks? They're not combining iPad and Mac in the hope users will buy both. Unfortunately for Apple though, people apparently realise iPadOS is too much of a toy to get real work done, so sales have been declining since 2014 - save for a pandemic related boost. You really think carting two devices about just so you can use the touchscreen on one is a better solution than a 2-in-1? right.
You can rail against that reality all you want, but Apple has repeatedly said they’re not interested. No does actually mean no.
No it doesn't. Apple U turns all the time. Have you somehow missed the re-addition of "legacy" ports on the new Macbooks? They're not combining iPad and Mac in the hope users will buy both. Unfortunately for Apple though, people apparently realise iPadOS is too much of a toy to get real work done, so sales have been declining since 2014 - save for a pandemic related boost. You really think carting two devices about just so you can use the touchscreen on one is a better solution than a 2-in-1? right.
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So why is MS Surface business worth only about $1.5 B?
That's considerably less than Apple Watch revenue per quarter.at $2.3B, iPad Revenue at $8.3B, (up 21% YOY), and Mac revenue at $9.2B, Maybe you are unaware that Apple's 7% of the PC market is worth 60% of the profits?
Perhaps their isn't all that much market for 2 in 1's, and Apple is quite aware of that.
Get a Mac and an inexpensive graphic tablet, or better, get a Mac and an iPad and connect them effortlessly. Infinitely better than a 2 in 1 in actual use.
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What you are telling us is that you wouldn't pay for an Apple 2 in 1 if it did exist, as it is "too expensive", By your own argument, you would be better off enjoying the benefits of that OEM 2 in 1 today over waiting for a 2 in 1 from Apple that likely as not, never exist.
Or maybe, you just like to whinge.
It is more than fair to call you out on your consistent whinging about Apple's lack of a 2 in 1.
Move on, and buy yourself a cheap 2 in 1, and be done with it.
Is it just as fair to "call you out on your consistent whinging about" any criticism -- or suggestion of a better way -- for Apple?
According to John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, that means the company won't add a touch screen to the MacBook Pro.
"We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad," he told Stern. "It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
There’s no equivocation there. They’re not going to do the thing you keep going on about. Belittling everyone who points that out to you won’t make it happen, either.
Of course, the analogy doesn't really work, because with Apple, you're talking about two separate operating systems, one built and optimized for touch, and the other built and optimized for an indirect UI. MacOS not only runs MacBooks but also operates the full Mac Pro workstation. Cludging that up with touch UI would ruin the user experience for someone operating a workstation with multiple screens. Making touch UI elements come and go depending on what kind of screen is showing is just windows-like bloat. Simply putting MacOS as-is on an iPad then forces users into a non-touch UI on a touch device, which would be a huge step down from the current iPad experience. Having the OS swap back and forth on the iPad would be both suboptimal and also turn the OS into a massive bloatware mess.
Apple sets a high bar for their user experience, and they're not going to create a mish-mash of it just to compete in a segment that isn't very competitive at all. Even with brand new shiny upgraded devices, Surface sales continue to decline. For the 2-in-1 segment to "continue to grow," it would first have to quit declining.
Apple is not going to make the 2-in-1 you want. Go buy a Windows device if you really want one.
You shot 100% with that one: I didn't see a single point that I think is true.
One thing that is undeniably true is that John Ternus, Apple senior vice president of hardware engineering, just said, "We make the world's best touch computer on an iPad. It's totally optimized for that. And the Mac is totally optimized for indirect input. We haven't really felt a reason to change that."
IMHO, there is no UI that works well with both touch and keyboard simultaneously. If you believe that the Surface has solved that problem, then buy a Surface, or a Surface clone, and enjoy it.
Stop stating that Apple is forcing users to buy two different devices, because they want to increase revenue. It's a lie on your part as there isn't any evidence of that.