Compared: M1 Max 16-inch MacBook Pro versus Mac Pro

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Apple's new 16-inch MacBook Pro with the M1 Max processor is undeniably a powerhouse. Here's how it compares to Apple's Intel-based Mac Pro tower, and why folks that rely on that machine may need to consider the laptop as a viable upgrade.

The M1 Max 16-inch MacBook Pro and the Mac Pro
The M1 Max 16-inch MacBook Pro and the Mac Pro


Apple's Mac Pro is an incredibly powerful and expandable workstation and is heavily used in video production to edit high-resolution footage as fast as possible. Any opportunity to improve on performance is usually a consideration for creative industries and those with high processing needs.

During Apple's October event, Apple made a lot of noise over the processing capabilities of the M1 Pro and M1 Max, with the latter offering the highest performance possible for Apple Silicon. All of that power is put into a slimline MacBook Pro.

With the baseline Mac Pro costing customers $5,999 before upgrades, the considerably cheaper 16-inch MacBook Pro could be a more attractive proposition for users.

Here's the low-down on how an M1 Max with a 32-core GPU fares against the incumbent high-performance monster.




M1 Max MacBook Pro vs Mac Pro - Specifications

16-inch MacBook Pro (2021)Baseline Mac ProComparable Mac Pro
Processors10-core M1 Max
8-core 3.5GHz Intel Xeon W16-core 3.2GHz Intel Xeon W
Memory32GB Unified Memory, up to 64GB32GB DDR4 ECC 2666MHz96GB DDR4 SCC 2933MHz
GraphicsM1 Max 32-core
AMD Radeon Pro 580XAMD Radeon Pro W5700X,
Media encoding/decodingMedia Engine-Apple Afterburner
Storage512GB, 1TB, 2TB, 4TB, 8TB256GB256GB
TrackpadForce TouchMagic Mouse,
Optional Magic Trackpad
Magic Mouse,
Optional Magic Trackpad
KeyboardBacklit with ambient light sensorMagic Keyboard with Numeric KeypadMagic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad
Ports3 Thunderbolt 4 ports,
HDMI,
SDXC card slot,
MagSafe 3,
Headphone jack
Four Thunderbolt 3 ports,
Two USB 3 ports,
Two Ethernet Ports,
Headphone Jack
Four Thunderbolt 3 ports,
Two USB 3 ports,
Two Ethernet Ports,
Headphone Jack
NetworkingWi-Fi 6802.11ac
2 10Gb Ethernet Ports
802.11ac
2 10Gb Ethernet Ports
Bluetooth5.05.05.0
Pricefrom $3,299$5,999$11,599

M1 Max MacBook Pro vs Mac Pro - CPU, Neural Engine, and Cores

The core consideration for those who believe they need a Mac Pro for their work is performance, with the CPU being the heart of the operation.

Apple's M1 Max houses a 10-core CPU, using a pair of energy-efficient cores for pedestrian tasks, and eight high-performance cores to attack the more demanding workloads.

It also benefits from having the Neural Engine, a 16-core machine learning element that can be used for tasks where it fares better than a normal CPU. This includes computational photography as well as other similar tasks that typical processors struggle to deal with.

The baseline Mac Pro uses an 8-core Intel Xeon W-3223, a 3.5Ghz chip with 16 threads, and a maximum clock speed of 4.0GHz under Turbo Boost. Initially launched in Q2 2019, it's a processor that's starting to show its age.

That becomes quite evident when you look at benchmarks such as Geekbench 5.

The M1 Max has superior single-core performance against the Mac Pro Xeons.
The M1 Max has superior single-core performance against the Mac Pro Xeons.


AppleInsider ran the benchmark on a 32-core 16-inch MacBook Pro and saw a score of 1,769 for the single-core test, 12,308 for the multi-core version. According to Geekbench's results table, the Mac Pro using the 8-core W3223 manages 1,015 on the single-core test, and 7,992 on the multi-core.

That is a pretty big difference, but Apple offers more chip options than just the 8-core.

The nearest comparable Mac Pro in terms of multi-core performance would be the Xeon W-3245, a 16-core and 32-thread chip with a base clock of 3.2GHz and a Turbo Boosted clock of 4.4GHz.

You have to use a 16-core Xeon W to beat the M1 Max at multi-core processing.
You have to use a 16-core Xeon W to beat the M1 Max at multi-core processing.


It manages a multi-core result of 14,586, making it the lowest in the options list that beats the M1 Max. However, it still is trounced in single-core performance with a score of 1,120.

The stark truth is that there's no single Xeon W chip available for the Mac Pro that can stand up to the M1 Max in single-core performance. While you can easily spend your way to success by getting more cores to boost multi-core performance, there's nothing you can do if it's meant for tasks that run best on a single core.

M1 Max MacBook Pro vs Mac Pro - Memory

The M1 range uses what Apple refers to as Unified Memory, which allows the various elements of the M1 SoC to access data stored in it. This is accomplished without needing the data to be stored in separate item-specific pools of memory, such as dedicated GPU memory.

Apple uses something called Fabric as its intermediary between the memory pool and the rest of the chip. In the M1 Max, Apple's upgrades has enabled it to function with 400GB/s of memory bandwidth, twice as fast as the bandwidth of the M1 Pro, launched at the same time.

The M1 Max also starts with 32GB of memory, with an option to upgrade to 64GB.

The Mac Pro starts with 32GB of DDR4 ECC memory, which in the 8-core operates at 2,666MHz. For all other Xeon chips, Apple instead uses 2,933MHz modules.

The extensive memory slots of the Mac Pro.
The extensive memory slots of the Mac Pro.


That isn't the limit for memory, though, as there are 12 DIMM slots at play and multiple memory options. You could go up to 48GB as a modest upgrade, but there are also 96GB, 192GB, 364GB, 768GB, and 1.5TB options available.

Admittedly, the last RAM selection requires either a 24-core or 28-core Xeon W to be used, but the potential to add massive amounts of memory can't be understated. There are sometimes applications that require to deal with considerably high amounts of data in one go, and few situations that could warrant such expensive memory upgrades.

It's also user-accessible memory, so it could be reconfigured with different amounts by adding or removing memory modules. This isn't an option for the MacBook Pro, as you're stuck with whatever memory you initially configured for your device.

M1 Max MacBook Pro vs Mac Pro - Graphics

The M1 Max chip is available in two variations, consisting of the 24-core GPU model and the 32-core version. Since we're talking about performance, we will be looking at the 32-core edition primarily.

Apple's promotion for the M1 Max included various claims about its integrated graphics being on a par with discrete GPUs in gaming notebooks. While offering high amounts of performance, it also does so while using comparably less power.

The baseline Mac Pro includes an AMD Radeon Pro 580X, a GPU with 8GB of GDDR5 memory, and houses 36 compute units and 2,304 stream processors. In the Mac Pro, this is offered as a half-height MPX Module, a form factor that Apple introduced with the pro desktop itself.

Apple's integrated 32-core GPU in the M1 Max is blisteringly fast.
Apple's integrated 32-core GPU in the M1 Max is blisteringly fast.


Using Geekbench's Metal test, AppleInsider's trial of the M1 Max's 32-core GPU resulted in a score of 68,950. According to Geekbench's browser, the Radeon Pro 580X only achieves 38,491 under the same test.

Going through the list of GPU options in the Mac Pro, the AMD Radeon Pro 5700X with 16GB of GDDR6 memory seems to be the nearest rival, with it managing 71,614 in Geekbench 5.

However, this is not the whole story.

Lead Affinity Photo developer Andy Somerfield performed extensive testing of the software's benchmark and determined that the M1 Max outperformed a 12-core Mac Pro equipped with a Radeon Pro W6900X, a card that has 32GB of GDDR6 memory and a $5,600 price tag in Apple's configurator.

According to Somerfield, the M1 achieved a "Raster (Single GPU)" score of 32,891, while the W6900X was marginally lower at 32,580.

Another element to consider is that the Mac Pro's GPU can be switched out and replaced by another using the MPX Module system. There's even the option to augment an eGPU enclosure to externally add a card, something that isn't possible on Apple Silicon due to a lack of support.

M1 Max MacBook Pro vs Mac Pro - Media Engine vs Afterburner

When Apple introduced the Mac Pro, it highlighted a component known as the Afterburner, an extra card you can add to the setup. Afterburner is a PCI-E based accelerator card that handles the decoding of ProRes and ProRes RAW video codecs in Final Cut Pro X, QuickTime Player X, and other supported third-party applications.

This card effectively became a must-have addition for video editors, as it promised to speed up their workflow. The extra performance was not cheap, with the card costing $2,000 on its own.

Apple's Afterburner, a $2,000 add-on for the Mac Pro to help with video tasks.
Apple's Afterburner, a $2,000 add-on for the Mac Pro to help with video tasks.


The M1 Max in the 16-inch MacBook Pro includes its own equivalent, with the Media Engine designed to deal with video encoding and decoding in hardware. It can process H.264, HEVC, ProRes, and ProRes RAW content, with the M1 Max specifically having a video decode engine, two video encode engines, and two ProRes encode and decode engines.

In effect, the M1 Max has its own on-silicon Afterburner, making it a much cheaper alternative for those working in video.

The performance of the Media Engine and the M1 Max has previously been enthused about by Apple executives. On an October 24 podcast, Apple's Shruti Haldea and Luke Tristram said the performance was at a level that you could run seven streams of 8K ProRes content in Final Cut Pro. "That's more streams than on a 28-core Mac Pro with an Afterburner card, so you're literally out-doing a workstation," they boasted.

This is on top of other claims where project renders and exports would be much faster on the MacBook Pro than on the Afterburner-using Mac Pro.

We put this to the test by exporting a 53 minute 4K video from both machines using Final Cut Pro. It took our Mac Pro a whopping hour and six minutes to finish the task while the 16-inch MacBook Pro with the M1 Max and 32-core GPU crossed the finish line in a mere 17 minutes.

M1 Max MacBook Pro vs Mac Pro - Upgrades and other main features

While the thrust of the comparison revolves around performance, there are still quite a few areas that need to be touched upon. There's the nature of the desktop Mac Pro and the portable MacBook Pro to consider for a start.

The MacBook Pro includes a high-resolution display, speakers, a keyboard, and trackpad, among other typical notebook elements, all in a very compact and easily moved package. Not to mention the inclusion of a battery enabling it to be used practically anywhere, making it great for on-location video editing jobs.

Meanwhile, the desk-bound Mac Pro is a box that you have to add a display and a lot of accessories too, and isn't really "portable" even knowing there are handles and optional $400 wheels. You do at least get a keyboard and mouse.

It's also reasonably unfair to go into specific details such as size comparisons. The MacBook Pro is 14.01 inches long, 9.77 inches deep, and 0.66 inches thick, and weighs 4.8 pounds.

The Mac Pro's main benefits lie in its potential for upgrading, as well as its styling.
The Mac Pro's main benefits lie in its potential for upgrading, as well as its styling.


The tower version of the Mac Pro is 20.8 inches by 17.7 inches by 8.58 inches and weighs in at a massive 39.7 pounds. There's also a rack-mountable version, which is 21.24 inches by 18.98 inches by 8.67 inches, and a better but still substantial 38.8 pounds in weight.

Obviously, we're dealing with two very different types of Mac here, for completely different use cases.

While the MacBook Pro's promise is in providing high performance while on the move, the Mac Pro takes the high ground in being extremely customizable and expandable.

We've already mentioned that the memory is user-upgradable, but there's also a pair of MPX Module bays that can accommodate two modules or four PCI Express cards, along with a trio of PCI Express gen 3 slots and a half-length x4 PCI Express Gen 3 slot.

These slots can be used for multiple purposes, including non-MPX graphics cards and PCIe-based expansion, making the Mac Pro even more flexible for those with particular computing needs.

While Apple doesn't allow eGPUs to run on Apple Silicon, you can still use breakout boxes to add PCIe hardware to the 16-inch MacBook Pro as a form of upgrade. We'll be talking about options for that soon.

Connectivity is arguably better on the stock Mac Pro, with it including four Thunderbolt 3 ports, two USB-A ports, two 10Gbps Ethernet connections, and a headphone jack, along with the option to increase the port selection by installing cards.

The MacBook Pro doesn't have Ethernet, but it does have three Thunderbolt 4 ports, HDMI out, MagSafe 3, a headphone jack, and an SDXC card slot. Wi-Fi 6 support in the MacBook Pro is better than 802.11ac in the Mac Pro, though both still rely on Bluetooth 5.0.

M1 Max MacBook Pro vs Mac Pro - Pricing

The cheapest configuration of the M1 Max 16-inch MacBook Pro with the 32-core GPU costs $3,299 and includes 32GB of unified memory and a 512GB SSD. To move to 64GB of memory costs an extra $400, making the total $3,699 for the highest-performance MacBook Pro configuration, ignoring storage capacity.

Upgrading the storage from 512GB to 1TB costs $200, rising to $600 for a jump to 2TB, $1,200 to 4TB, and $2,400 to 8TB.

The base-model Mac Pro with the 8-core Intel Xeon W, 32GB of memory, Radeon Pro 580X, and a 256GB SSD costs $5,999. The rack-mountable version with the same specification starts from $6,499.

To configure what could be a comparable Mac Pro to the high-performance and RAM, low-storage MacBook Pro, you're looking at the 16-core Xeon W, 96GB of memory, and the AMD Radeon Pro W5700X.

The 16-inch MacBook Pro can become expensive at high-spec configurations, but it's a steal compared to the baseline Mac Pro.
The 16-inch MacBook Pro can become expensive at high-spec configurations, but it's a steal compared to the baseline Mac Pro.


That configuration alone costs $9,599, before you add in the $2,000 Afterburner card to take on the Media Engine, and that's not even touching the storage capacity changes. With Afterburner, it's $11,599.

To put that into perspective, you could buy three of the aforementioned $3,699 MacBook Pro configurations, and still have over $500 left over. Alternately, three of the same configurations but with the 1TB storage upgrade, for just $98 more than the cost of the comparative Mac Pro.



For the financially endowed, there's many options to play with in the Mac Pro configuration, and you can reach nosebleed territory quite quickly. It is possible to spec out a Mac Pro with a 28-core Xeon W, 1.5TB of memory, a pair of Radeon Pro W6900X MPX modules, 8TB of storage, and an Afterburner card for $54,199.

Whether you actually need to spend over $54 thousand on a single Mac is another matter entirely.

M1 Max MacBook Pro beats the Mac Pro -- but not all the time

Apple's uses of the word "Pro" when attached to hardware means nothing at all, beyond "this is a higher-end option." It doesn't imply that if you're a professional that you need "Pro" hardware, nor does it say anything tangible about capability or expandability.

The high performance of the M1 Max at full throttle is undeniable. In most cases, it outpaces Apple's heavyweight workhorse, the Mac Pro, at lower specifications.

If users had to choose between the 16-inch MacBook Pro with the M1 Max, 32-core GPU, and 64GB of RAM or the base model Mac Pro, it would be extremely difficult not to recommend the MacBook Pro. Video editors and most creatives will feel that the portable device offers more than enough for them at a considerably cheaper price.

It's a similar story when you look at what we believe a comparable Mac Pro could be, one that narrowly beats the same spec of MacBook Pro. Including Afterburner, the Mac Pro package is triple the cost for not much better performance, in a package that you have to add a screen and other things to, and without any of the portability.

That being said, the Mac Pro still has a large potential audience. The ability to configure it to use a processor with considerably more cores could be advantageous, not to mention adding more GPUs or other PCI-E hardware to the mix.

The M1 Max 16-inch MacBook Pro and the Mac Pro
The M1 Max 16-inch MacBook Pro and the Mac Pro


The sheer amount of memory you can put into the Mac Pro is also essential for a small number of applications, especially those that require number crunching on giant data sets.

There's certainly still a market for the Mac Pro, but it's more at the fringes of computing rather than the more general sense. For consumers with slightly more modest needs or work in video, the MacBook Pro is generally the better option.

M1 Mac Pro?

One thing that this comparison underlines is that the M1 Max is a very capable chip. Apple has created something that blows what people consider to be a high-power system out of the water in multiple different ways.

The things to remember here are that the M1 Max is a top-of-the-line Apple Silicon chip aimed at the prosumer and creative markets and that it's still only a 10-core CPU. Apple's also in the middle of a two-year transition of its Mac products away from Intel, and the Mac Pro is the last area of the Mac catalog not to be touched by Apple Silicon.

We know from testing that the M1 Max is a massive jump in performance from the M1, due to Apple increasing the number of high-performance CPU cores among other factors. Since Apple is in control of the designs of M1 chips, it can potentially create versions with even more CPU cores, higher GPU core counts, and other improvements.

If Apple does bring out a Mac Pro with Apple Silicon, the chip it uses will certainly be a very powerful version that outpaces the current Xeon chip crop it currently offers.

Indeed, Apple is thought to be working on an Apple Silicon Mac Pro. Current speculation has it at roughly half the size of the current Mac Pro, and with CPU core counts of 20 cores and 40 cores said to be on the docket, potentially launching in 2022.

All that remains is to wait and see what Apple comes up with. Based on what we see in the M1 Max already, it may be quite a large leap forward for Apple's reliable workstation.

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  • Reply 1 of 64
    I know that there are a lot of use cases out there for some to need the new Intel Mac Pro, but knowing the M1 MBPs were coming, how many could have just waited.

    All those Mac Pros out there can't be upgraded to Apple Silicon. What a waste. Flame away...
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  • Reply 2 of 64
    emig647emig647 Posts: 2,440member
    I bought a 2019 Mac Pro - dual x5700, 64gb, afterburner, and 8 core (with intents to upgrade it to 24 core later). I also bought a XDR display. I knew the event was coming and bought within 12 days of the event. I honestly didn’t anticipate the new MBP being able to keep pace on 8k editing in Davinci Resolve and rendering in Cinema4d. I took it back and kept the XDR. The machine was a powerhouse, was sexy and honestly the coolest Apple product I owned in 25 years. But also comparing a $13k machine to a $3.5k machine that does about 98% of the performance, I couldn’t justify the price difference for my case. I can’t wait for the Apple Silicon Mac Pro. 
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  • Reply 3 of 64
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 5,823member
    emig647 said:
    I bought a 2019 Mac Pro - dual x5700, 64gb, afterburner, and 8 core (with intents to upgrade it to 24 core later). I also bought a XDR display. I knew the event was coming and bought within 12 days of the event. I honestly didn’t anticipate the new MBP being able to keep pace on 8k editing in Davinci Resolve and rendering in Cinema4d. I took it back and kept the XDR. The machine was a powerhouse, was sexy and honestly the coolest Apple product I owned in 25 years. But also comparing a $13k machine to a $3.5k machine that does about 98% of the performance, I couldn’t justify the price difference for my case. I can’t wait for the Apple Silicon Mac Pro. 
    This.

    The Intel-based Mac Pro is essentially dead imho.  I don't see how the math could be made to work to justify a Mac Pro knowing how AS is performing.  It's not necessarily a function of evolution in technology per-se, but Intel's inability to step up and perform.  It's embarrassing really how bad Intel looks right now.  Intel is the Titanic that is continuing on without knowing they crashed into the ASi Iceberg.  

    Even though I'm years away from buying a new desktop Mac, after seeing what the new MBP's are doing on the performance bench, I'm super-excited to see what Apple does with the iMac and Mac Pro using ASi.  With larger footprints for better cooling and larger chips, I'm expecting them to be serious Intel-killers.
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  • Reply 4 of 64
    Makes me eager to see what the first Apple Silicon-used Mac Pro will be able to do.
    neo-techwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 64
    The M1 Max MacBook Pro is a lot of power in a tiny package compared to the Intel Mac Pro. I'm chomping at the bit for the M1 Max Mac mini as that will be enough horsepower for me vs. cost. I expect the Apple Silicon Mac Pros to be absolute beasts in terms of performance, but with equally and warranted price tags.
    seanjwatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 64
    thttht Posts: 4,131member
    Let us all hope that Apple will sell ARM motherboards that will fit into the 2019 Mac Pro, along with driver support for at least the 1st party  dGPU modules, HDD modules, Afterburner modules, etc. They will hopefully sell 1st party 64 and 128 GPU core MPX modules too, for all the customers who just need more GPU compute.

    If the rumored half sized Apple Silicon Mac Pro starts at $2000, a full sized Mac Pro (2019 model) starts at $5000, and a Mac mini starts at $700, Apple will have a full headless desktop lineup spanning all the price tiers since 2006, just before the PPC to Intel transition. Even more so than back then even. That "half size Mac Pro" has to hit $2000 though.
    williamlondonrundhvidroundaboutnowwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 64
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 9,637member
    tht said:
    Let us all hope that Apple will sell ARM motherboards that will fit into the 2019 Mac Pro, along with driver support for at least the 1st party  dGPU modules, HDD modules, Afterburner modules, etc. They will hopefully sell 1st party 64 and 128 GPU core MPX modules too, for all the customers who just need more GPU compute.

    If the rumored half sized Apple Silicon Mac Pro starts at $2000, a full sized Mac Pro (2019 model) starts at $5000, and a Mac mini starts at $700, Apple will have a full headless desktop lineup spanning all the price tiers since 2006, just before the PPC to Intel transition. Even more so than back then even. That "half size Mac Pro" has to hit $2000 though.
    Hope away. Not gonna happen. Sell Apple Silicon mother boards that the user can swap out in the current Intel Mac Pro? Hilarious. Ridiculous.
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  • Reply 8 of 64
    I didn't notice any comparisons on thermal loads.
    I wonder if the MBP throttles when stretched out...
    sandorwatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 64
    killroykillroy Posts: 167member
    Appleish said:
    I know that there are a lot of use cases out there for some to need the new Intel Mac Pro, but knowing the M1 MBPs were coming, how many could have just waited.

    All those Mac Pros out there can't be upgraded to Apple Silicon. What a waste. Flame away...

    Where I work 9 Edit rooms networked on Fiber channel work just fine on 2019 Mac Pros. It will be 5 years before any are replaced, so no waste. All producers use MacBooks
    but that's their decision to make to upgrade and their wallet.
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  • Reply 10 of 64
    thttht Posts: 4,131member
    lkrupp said:
    tht said:
    Let us all hope that Apple will sell ARM motherboards that will fit into the 2019 Mac Pro, along with driver support for at least the 1st party  dGPU modules, HDD modules, Afterburner modules, etc. They will hopefully sell 1st party 64 and 128 GPU core MPX modules too, for all the customers who just need more GPU compute.

    If the rumored half sized Apple Silicon Mac Pro starts at $2000, a full sized Mac Pro (2019 model) starts at $5000, and a Mac mini starts at $700, Apple will have a full headless desktop lineup spanning all the price tiers since 2006, just before the PPC to Intel transition. Even more so than back then even. That "half size Mac Pro" has to hit $2000 though.
    Hope away. Not gonna happen. Sell Apple Silicon mother boards that the user can swap out in the current Intel Mac Pro? Hilarious. Ridiculous.
    You can join along lkrupp, and hope with us! We need all the help we can get. 

    The 2019 Mac Pro is as modular a design as there is. As Lego as it can get. There aren’t any wires in it save for aux power for high Watt 3rd part dGPUs or PCIe cards. (Well, there is the speaker too). Owners don’t need any tools to take it apart, with everything accessible by hand with easy access everywhere. A machine to last for a decade or more. 

    So if there is ever machine where Apple sells a motherboard kit, the 2019 Mac Pro is it. 
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  • Reply 11 of 64
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 665member
    Looking forward to the comparison between the new MBP’s to a piece of string and ultimately Phil Schiller’ ass. 
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 64
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,747member
    tht said:
    lkrupp said:
    tht said:
    Let us all hope that Apple will sell ARM motherboards that will fit into the 2019 Mac Pro, along with driver support for at least the 1st party  dGPU modules, HDD modules, Afterburner modules, etc. They will hopefully sell 1st party 64 and 128 GPU core MPX modules too, for all the customers who just need more GPU compute.

    If the rumored half sized Apple Silicon Mac Pro starts at $2000, a full sized Mac Pro (2019 model) starts at $5000, and a Mac mini starts at $700, Apple will have a full headless desktop lineup spanning all the price tiers since 2006, just before the PPC to Intel transition. Even more so than back then even. That "half size Mac Pro" has to hit $2000 though.
    Hope away. Not gonna happen. Sell Apple Silicon mother boards that the user can swap out in the current Intel Mac Pro? Hilarious. Ridiculous.
    You can join along lkrupp, and hope with us! We need all the help we can get. 

    The 2019 Mac Pro is as modular a design as there is. As Lego as it can get. There aren’t any wires in it save for aux power for high Watt 3rd part dGPUs or PCIe cards. (Well, there is the speaker too). Owners don’t need any tools to take it apart, with everything accessible by hand with easy access everywhere. A machine to last for a decade or more. 

    So if there is ever machine where Apple sells a motherboard kit, the 2019 Mac Pro is it. 

    Not. Going. To. Happen. Apple Silicon is a totally different architecture.  It's literally a different way of building a computer.  It doesn't matter that the 2019 MP is Lego-like.  They would have to ensure that the board was compatible with everything from Afterburner cards to discreet RAM to GPUs.  While some of these may be options on a redesigned MP with Apple Silicon, they sure as hell aren't going to cannibalize new MP sales by offering a board that makes purchasing a new one unnecessary.  It would also be unprecedented for Apple.  Did they do anything of the kind when they went from G5 to Intel?  Of course not.  We're talking about an even greater transition here.  
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  • Reply 13 of 64
    auxioauxio Posts: 2,401member
    Appleish said:
    I know that there are a lot of use cases out there for some to need the new Intel Mac Pro, but knowing the M1 MBPs were coming, how many could have just waited.

    All those Mac Pros out there can't be upgraded to Apple Silicon. What a waste. Flame away...
    So video editing houses should have just shut down and waited a couple years for ASi?  How much do you think that would have cost them in lost contracts?  Far more than the cost of a few Mac Pros I'd think.
    williamlondonseanjkillroymichelb76chiasandorwatto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 64
    and the M1 Max MBP has a pro-level mini-LED display

    sconosciutowatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 64
    XedXed Posts: 1,111member
    I can't wait to see what an M-series chip in the Mac Pro setup is going to do.
    killroysconosciutowatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 64
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,441member
    Well, this confirms what we knew since it was introduced - the new MBP is a beast in terms of performance. We're talking about a laptop that is not only holding its own but often beating a high end Mac Pro. And it's doing this on 10% of the power.

    It does need to be stated that the current Mac Pros are essentially 2 years old, but it's impressive nonetheless. 

    Like the article and @tht pointed out, the MacPro is modular and allows upgrading, something that is decidedly not possible with the MBP. I agree with that an M1 plugin for the MacPro would be nice, but I agree that it is highly unlikely for the reasons stated. What is more likely is that Apple will release a new MacPro within the next year based on the new architecture. What I'm curious to see is whether Apple will allow any off-chip or external graphics capability and how they will handle memory expandability. one of the advantages of the Mac Pro's modularity is that the user can benefit from a 3rd party's work and advances by simply plugging in a new graphics card whereas the capabilities of the M1 chips are fixed at the time of production.

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  • Reply 17 of 64
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,403moderator
    Xed said:
    I can't wait to see what an M-series chip in the Mac Pro setup is going to do.
    You mean a WS series chip, as that’s what I anticipate the nomenclature will be.  All hail the WS1.
    ravnorodomwatto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 64
    emig647emig647 Posts: 2,440member
    sdw2001 said:
    tht said:
    lkrupp said:
    tht said:
    Let us all hope that Apple will sell ARM motherboards that will fit into the 2019 Mac Pro, along with driver support for at least the 1st party  dGPU modules, HDD modules, Afterburner modules, etc. They will hopefully sell 1st party 64 and 128 GPU core MPX modules too, for all the customers who just need more GPU compute.

    If the rumored half sized Apple Silicon Mac Pro starts at $2000, a full sized Mac Pro (2019 model) starts at $5000, and a Mac mini starts at $700, Apple will have a full headless desktop lineup spanning all the price tiers since 2006, just before the PPC to Intel transition. Even more so than back then even. That "half size Mac Pro" has to hit $2000 though.
    Hope away. Not gonna happen. Sell Apple Silicon mother boards that the user can swap out in the current Intel Mac Pro? Hilarious. Ridiculous.
    You can join along lkrupp, and hope with us! We need all the help we can get. 

    The 2019 Mac Pro is as modular a design as there is. As Lego as it can get. There aren’t any wires in it save for aux power for high Watt 3rd part dGPUs or PCIe cards. (Well, there is the speaker too). Owners don’t need any tools to take it apart, with everything accessible by hand with easy access everywhere. A machine to last for a decade or more. 

    So if there is ever machine where Apple sells a motherboard kit, the 2019 Mac Pro is it. 

    Not. Going. To. Happen. Apple Silicon is a totally different architecture.  It's literally a different way of building a computer.  It doesn't matter that the 2019 MP is Lego-like.  They would have to ensure that the board was compatible with everything from Afterburner cards to discreet RAM to GPUs.  While some of these may be options on a redesigned MP with Apple Silicon, they sure as hell aren't going to cannibalize new MP sales by offering a board that makes purchasing a new one unnecessary.  It would also be unprecedented for Apple.  Did they do anything of the kind when they went from G5 to Intel?  Of course not.  We're talking about an even greater transition here.  
    I agree it isnt going to happen. But it is precedented: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Processor_Upgrade_Card
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  • Reply 19 of 64
    flydogflydog Posts: 1,031member
    Appleish said:
    I know that there are a lot of use cases out there for some to need the new Intel Mac Pro, but knowing the M1 MBPs were coming, how many could have just waited.

    All those Mac Pros out there can't be upgraded to Apple Silicon. What a waste. Flame away...
    Under your illogical and absurd reasoning, people should would never buy anything since something better will always come along in a few years time.  


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  • Reply 20 of 64
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,831member
    Specs + Geekbench scores = What a review!
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